Ballot Harvesting Wasn't Bad Enough

[merh]

Jun 26, 2022 12:04:07 GMT abbey1227 said:

Jun 26, 2022 11:50:48 GMT merh said:

The only flak I got seemed to come from the right 
Like the occasional citizen observer who would try to watch us to make sure there was no funny business. 
They would sit for a couple hours & leave BECAUSE IT WAS BORING.

Going all the way back to the election of Kennedy.....(and before?) one party has been known for voting shenanigans. They even brag about it gleefully.

I happen to think your State should be split into a North and South. When you look at the color of all the counties in my state, it's clear the 3 major cities/counties........often get to dictate to the other 69 counties. That doesn't seem kosher either. Especially since they've been pulling some shady stuff here, too

Nope.

No splitting my state 

The coast is the liberal area so it is a north & south issue. You would be making 2 liberal states.

California, the most populous state in the United States and third largest in area after Alaska and Texas, has been the subject of more than 220 proposals to divide it into multiple states since its admission to the United States in 1850, including at least 27 significant proposals in the first 150 years of statehood. In addition, there have been some calls for the secession of multiple states or large regions in the American West (such as the proposal of Cascadia) which often include parts of Northern California.

Ecotopia
Writer Ernest Callenbach wrote a 1975 novel, entitled Ecotopia, in which he proposed a full-blown secession of Northern California, Oregon, and Washington from the United States in order to focus upon environmentally friendly living and culture. He later abandoned the idea stating: "We are now fatally interconnected, in climate change, ocean impoverishment, agricultural soil loss, etc. etc. etc."

The premise was borrowed / adapted by Starhawk for her novel The Fifth Sacred Thing (1993), which pitted the eco-feminist inhabitants of a future, independent San Francisco against a rival, right-wing polity centered on Los Angeles.

Cascadia
While mostly consisting of Washington, Oregon, Idaho and British Columbia in Canada, proposals for an independent Cascadia often include portions of northern California.

Californian reunification
The idea of a united California often consisting of modern-day California, Baja California, and Baja California Sur, or the former lands previously governed by the Province of Las Californias (1767-1804). There were fears during the Magonista rebellion of 1911 from both Americans and Mexicans of a Magonista expansion into California from, then Magonista-controlled, Baja California that would establish anarcho-communism across the Californias and inspire rebellions from Indigenous Californians against the US and Mexican governments.

There were actual votes to do it, but the Civil War & other things happened 

2 is rare because the coast has all the liberals. 
They usually go for 3 isolating the liberals or as many as 6 to give conservatives at least half the states

[merh]

I've asked several acquaintances who I know are into Q, if we are so good at rigging elections why didnt we rig it so Cheney would win? No answers

[merh]

[abbey1227]

Aug 18, 2022 21:40:33 GMT merh said:

I've asked several acquaintances who I know are into Q, if we are so good at rigging elections why didnt we rig it so Cheney would win? No answers

Because while she's a RINO.......she ain't no Dem.......YET  (Though most of the GOP seem to be RINOs these days)

She's already talking presidential run........under which party, I wonder?

[merh]

Aug 19, 2022 13:01:24 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 18, 2022 21:40:33 GMT merh said:

Because while she's a RINO.......she ain't no Dem.......YET  (Though most of the GOP seem to be RINOs these days)

She's already talking presidential run........under which party, I wonder?

I think president is red herring.
I suspect senator?
She's younger than both Wyomong senators 

[abbey1227]

Aug 19, 2022 22:56:02 GMT merh said:

Aug 19, 2022 13:01:24 GMT abbey1227 said:

Because while she's a RINO.......she ain't no Dem.......YET  (Though most of the GOP seem to be RINOs these days)

She's already talking presidential run........under which party, I wonder?

I think president is red herring.
I suspect senator?
She's younger than both Wyomong senators 

Where will she find the votes? Do you even see how funny it is to have the MSM cheering her and her Dad on now?

[merh]

A trove of online messages suggest Abe Hamadeh skirted election laws (on behalf of Barack Obama) as a teenager, years before campaigning against election fraud as the GOP nominee for Arizona Attorney General. And even as a 16 year old, he seemed to have opinions on the Jews and Israel. 

TEXT:

Abe Hamadeh has built his campaign for attorney general around cleaning up elections in Arizona. Yet as a teenager, he boasted to an online message board about voting before he was legally allowed to and altering his mom's ballot.



The posts were among thousands Hamadeh made to an online message board beginning in 2007. When he wasn't bragging about altering ballots, he was offering antisemitic and sexist rants, backing Sheriff Joe Arpaio and arguing that voting should be limited to college graduates who pass intelligence tests.



As a candidate, Hamadeh smartly used money and the Big Lie — that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from former President Donald Trump — to sucker Trump into backing his campaign.



Of all Trump’s endorsements, championing the 31-year-old retired Army captain and one-time Maricopa County prosecutor was among his most surprising. Hamadeh was a low-level prosecutor for the county for less than three years even though his campaign website brags the he "fought in dozens of trials."



Hamadeh’s upholding of the Big Lie led Trump to pluck him from a crowded field of Republicans during the primary, which ended in Hamadeh defeating former Tucson City Councilmember Rodney Glassman. Hamadeh faces Democrat Kris Mayes in November.





“Abe Hamadeh knows what happened in the 2020 election, and will enforce voting laws so that our elections are free and fair again,” Trump wrote in his June endorsement.





Hamadeh said so himself.





“As Attorney General, I will rebuild the confidence of our elections by prosecuting election fraud to the fullest extent of the law,” the political newcomer from Scottsdale said in a statement. “Confidence in our elections is the cornerstone to our country. We must restore voters’ trust.”





Online posts uncovered by Phoenix New Times dating back to the 2008 presidential election tell a very different story.





Voter Fraud or Teenage Rambling?


In June 2007, Hamadeh, then 16 years old, became an active member of the online message board Ron Paul Forums, a virtual gathering space for supporters of Ron Paul, a Libertarian, former member of Congress and three-time presidential candidate.

The most recent archived version of Hamadeh’s profile on the site shows that by October 3, 2010, he had posted 4,163 times. His posts quoted in this story include their original typos, misspellings and grammatical errors.

Many of the posts are attached to discussions about radical ideas for election reform. They include Hamadeh’s own eugenics-reminiscent proposition that only college-educated Americans who passed intelligence tests should be allowed to vote by law, “not people who just go to a DMV and sign up to vote.”


In a series of posts that started on October 5, 2008, the 17-year-old aspiring professional wrestler claimed that he altered and then cast his mother’s absentee ballot for Barack Obama, a then-U.S. senator who was running for president.

“Obama is getting all of this crap simply cause hes black, he has an Arab name, hes the only senator who is black in the Senate, he is successful, and he is a Harvard Law graduate, they're scared they might have a smart man in the white house,” Hamadeh wrote. “Based on Barack Obama's intelligence I casted my vote for him yesterday through absentee.”

In the same discussion thread, Hamadeh claimed that then-Republican presidential nominee John McCain, who lived in Phoenix, was a “radical fascist.”

In a subsequent post, Hamadeh wrote this: “No I cannot vote, I just submitted my mothers absentee ballot, she votes who I vote for, she voted for Ron Paul, and I’m saddened that I had to vote for Barack Obama, but it was the right thing I had to do."

Under Arizona law, it's a felony for a person to knowingly mark a ballot "with the intent to fix an election for that person's own benefit or for that of another person" or to possess anyone’s early ballot other than your own. It's also illegal for anyone younger than 18 to cast a ballot.

The username on the account that posted the comments is “Hamadeh.” The birthday listed on the account is Hamadeh’s birthday, May 15, 1991. The location listed on the profile was Scottsdale, where Hamadeh lived, and the hometown listed on the profile was Chicago, Hamadeh’s place of birth. A post in January 2008 also indicated the use of an email address from which Hamadeh sent a November 2007 email to then-Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. The author of that email included a Phoenix phone number that is also associated with Hamadeh.

Hamadeh's campaign didn't directly address whether or not he wrote the posts or committed voter fraud. Instead, in a statement to New Times, a campaign spokesperson said Hamadeh's digital footprint dates to a time when teenagers made comments "well before their minds were even fully developed."

“Abe Hamadeh is the youngest statewide candidate in the country, and one of the first to be scrutinized on his digital footprint dating back to a time when he was 16 years old, the same time he thought he would grow up to become a wrestler in the WWE," said Erica Knight, a spokesperson for the Hamadeh campaign.

“We are entering a new era of political opposition where candidates who have lived through their adolescent years on the internet are being judged and criticized based on comments they made well before their minds were even fully developed. It is now our responsibility to be careful where we draw the line," Knight added.

Brett Johnson, an election law specialist and partner at Phoenix-based Snell & Wilmer, said Hamadeh's post could have been the admission of a felony.

“There are issues here,” Johnson told New Times. “It could or could not be a felony. In this case, you can prove the criminal act, but can you prove the intent?”

The actions Hamadeh discussed in the years-old posts fall outside the state's statute of limitations, which is seven years for charges of voter fraud. Hamadeh’s posts, though, still raise eyebrows for a candidate whose campaign centers on restoring sanctity in Arizona’s elections.

Hamadeh's campaign insists he's learned his lesson over the last 14 years.

“We have all had life experiences where we, as individuals, have learned, grown and evolved into the people we are today,” Knight said. “Abe grew up, joined the military and became a great and highly accomplished patriot. Time in service changed, matured and, most importantly, provided Abe with the values he currently has and the deep love he has for his country.”

Mayes, Hamadeh's opponent in the November election, criticized his record.

"Abraham Hamadeh has a track record of dishonesty and deceit," Mayes told New Times. "We see it in his interviews, his daily tweets and his public appearances. The Attorney General's Office requires honesty and integrity at its core, which Mr. Hamadeh does not possess."

Antisemitism, Sexism and 'Dumb People'

Hamadeh was born and raised in Chicago by parents from Syria and Lebanon.

In 1994, a grand jury in Illinois indicted his father, jeweler Jamal Hamadah, on charges of conspiracy to commit arson after the Mikro Kodesh Anshe Tiktin synagogue was fire-bombed, according to the Chicago Reader. When he was arrested, Hamadah admitted to being in the U.S. illegally after overstaying a visitor's visa.


The charges were dropped after the two men who set the fire failed to cooperate with prosecutors and testify against Hamadah. At a later deportation hearing, the judge allowed him to stay stateside because his son, Abe, is a U.S. citizen.

In 2008, Abe Hamadeh advocated for cutting U.S. funding to Israel and indicated fervent opposition to Israel as a state in several of his posts on the Ron Paul Forum.

"If you think Jews arent big in america (2%) how come 56% of them are CEO'S … Jews are influential and for the most part rich. its good were targetting Arabs now, next will target Jews," he posted in July 2007.

These days, Hamadeh vows to use the power of the attorney general’s office to uphold Arizona’s draconian abortion bans. In December 2007, Hamadeh venerated a commenter on the Ron Paul Forum who was met with downturned thumbs during a protest outside an abortion clinic in Orlando, Florida. “Women always thumb down, they all complain about there right to choose to have an abortion," he wrote in the post.

In 2009, in response to a post in which the author indicated that conservative commentator Ann Coulter had endorsed Ron Paul’s presidential bid, Hamadeh wrote, “She is a BITCH, I don't give a $#@! if she votes for Ron Paul, but she better not be speaking at any, ANY rallies.”

Later that year, he defended former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who was convicted of criminal contempt in federal court in 2017 and cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars settling lawsuits stemming from decades of egregious human and civil rights violations.

“Sheriff Joe Arpaio is probably one of the most honest people to have served this State,” Hamadeh wrote.

He added that “people are to dumb to make decissions on there own, they need the government to help guide them.”

Now, he’s gunning to become that guiding light.

Hamadeh's campaign said the posts don't reflect his present-day views.

“Comments allegedly posted during his teenage years do not represent his current values and views,” Knight said. “I encourage the opposition to stop wasting time picking apart the actions of children and focusing on nonsense and start taking action to make sure the American dream still exists for the next generation.”

www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/abe-hamadeh-bragged-about-voter-fraud-14257801

[abbey1227]

Aug 25, 2022 17:35:23 GMT merh said:

“Obama is getting all of this crap simply cause hes black, he has an Arab name, hes the only senator who is black in the Senate, he is successful, and he is a Harvard Law graduate, they're scared they might have a smart man in the white house,” Hamadeh wrote. “Based on Barack Obama's intelligence I casted my vote for him yesterday through absentee.”

In the same discussion thread, Hamadeh claimed that then-Republican presidential nominee John McCain, who lived in Phoenix, was a “radical fascist.”

In a subsequent post, Hamadeh wrote this: “No I cannot vote, I just submitted my mothers absentee ballot, she votes who I vote for, she voted for Ron Paul, and I’m saddened that I had to vote for Barack Obama, but it was the right thing I had to do."



Antisemitism, Sexism and 'Dumb People'

Hamadeh was born and raised in Chicago by parents from Syria and Lebanon.

In 1994, a grand jury in Illinois indicted his father, jeweler Jamal Hamadah, on charges of conspiracy to commit arson after the Mikro Kodesh Anshe Tiktin synagogue was fire-bombed, according to the Chicago Reader. When he was arrested, Hamadah admitted to being in the U.S. illegally after overstaying a visitor's visa.


The charges were dropped after the two men who set the fire failed to cooperate with prosecutors and testify against Hamadah. At a later deportation hearing, the judge allowed him to stay stateside because his son, Abe, is a U.S. citizen.



“Sheriff Joe Arpaio is probably one of the most honest people to have served this State,” Hamadeh wrote.

He added that “people are to dumb to make decissions on there own, they need the government to help guide them.”

Isn't it amazing just how flexible some people can be?

And going back decades to discredit opponents? What a country........ where that tactic usually only works in one direction.

I notice the involvement of a judge yet again to ignore the laws and allow criminals their way. hurray? It's a good lesson for the youth, breaking the law is fine

[merh]

Aug 26, 2022 1:24:31 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 25, 2022 17:35:23 GMT merh said:

Isn't it amazing just how flexible some people can be?

And going back decades to discredit opponents? What a country........ where that tactic usually only works in one direction.

I notice the involvement of a judge yet again to ignore the laws and allow criminals their way. hurray? It's a good lesson for the youth, breaking the law is fine

He is running for the state Attorney General which means he would have say in elections when he seems to admit he voted as a teen using his mom's absentee ballot.

No problem to you?

[abbey1227]

Aug 26, 2022 13:57:56 GMT merh said:

Aug 26, 2022 1:24:31 GMT abbey1227 said:

Isn't it amazing just how flexible some people can be?

And going back decades to discredit opponents? What a country........ where that tactic usually only works in one direction.

I notice the involvement of a judge yet again to ignore the laws and allow criminals their way. hurray? It's a good lesson for the youth, breaking the law is fine

He is running for the state Attorney General which means he would have say in elections when he seems to admit he voted as a teen using his mom's absentee ballot.

No problem to you?

Of course it's a problem. Sorta like ancient history that should have kept people like Biden from ever holding office, though.

You had no problem with his father getting a pass by a judge despite the law? You got plenty of that in your area.

[merh]

Apparently in Detroit

[merh]

Aug 26, 2022 16:56:53 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 26, 2022 13:57:56 GMT merh said:

He is running for the state Attorney General which means he would have say in elections when he seems to admit he voted as a teen using his mom's absentee ballot.

No problem to you?

Of course it's a problem. Sorta like ancient history that should have kept people like Biden from ever holding office, though.

You had no problem with his father getting a pass by a judge despite the law? You got plenty of that in your area.

That happens all over, doesn't it?
There was that famous case in Texas where the attorney got the teen off from killing people driving drunk because of privilege. 

Ethan Couch Affluenza, remember?

[merh]

Tales from the Polls
I saw my first Qult member in the wild yesterday at the elections and it was awful. She was ornery from the moment she checked in, challenging our ID process and which ballot she got. But then as soon as she finished voting, she began to closely examine the ballot machines before loudly proclaiming for all, "They're Dominion machines!" Then she took out a little notebook and began writing down what I assume she thought were serial numbers, but were actually our precinct numbers. Then she sat down at the handicapped voting booth and started announcing that "I'm checking and writing down all of the wi-fi connections because that's how the last election was stolen. People broke into the machines and changed the totals and Trump should still be president."

One: All I could think was what it must be like for her children and grandchildren if this was how she behaved in public with strangers and . . .

Two: Those machines aren't hooked up to the internet at all. That's exactly to prevent something like that from happening. They're not on wi-fi, they're not on a local connection, they're not connected at all. There are 11 poll workers watching every step of voting and collecting those ballots. It would be almost IMPOSSIBLE for us to all collude together and change the results.

Then, at 6:59 a woman came in dragging her 18-year-old son by the arm and forcing him every step of the way to vote. She wanted to go in the booth with him, but I had to tell her it's illegal. Then she wanted to open his folder and show him him how to vote before he got to the booth, but I had to tell her that's illegal too. Finally she decided she'd stand to the side and yell to him how to vote, but htat's illegal too. Eventually, we got her an election guide and she used that to coach him; it's appalling, but it's legal. As soon as she finished, one of the poll workers guided him to the booth and said loudly, "Now, you got that guide from you mother, so put that aside and vote however you like."

[abbey1227]

Aug 26, 2022 21:30:14 GMT merh said:

Aug 26, 2022 16:56:53 GMT abbey1227 said:

Of course it's a problem. Sorta like ancient history that should have kept people like Biden from ever holding office, though.

You had no problem with his father getting a pass by a judge despite the law? You got plenty of that in your area.

That happens all over, doesn't it?
There was that famous case in Texas where the attorney got the teen off from killing people driving drunk because of privilege. 

Ethan Couch Affluenza, remember?

I do remember...........that's the clout of the wealthy. And it's wrong, too.

But sticking up for Illegals? No wonder they have tried to switch the term to 'undocumented'

[merh]

Aug 27, 2022 2:17:07 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 26, 2022 21:30:14 GMT merh said:

That happens all over, doesn't it?
There was that famous case in Texas where the attorney got the teen off from killing people driving drunk because of privilege. 

Ethan Couch Affluenza, remember?

I do remember...........that's the clout of the wealthy. And it's wrong, too.

But sticking up for Illegals? No wonder they have tried to switch the term to 'undocumented'

Maybe we have enough politicians who recognize their donors want cheap, exploitable workers more than other politicians that talk the talk, but then don't walk the walk. 

Like Oz bitching about that stuff, yet he hired them.
And Trump. Hell, one of his earliest kerfuffle was over a contractor on one of his projects hiring undocumented Polish workers 

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) took some unexpected digs at billionaire Donald Trump during the CNN Republican presidential debate on Thursday, the most provocative of which surrounded Trump’s past employment and alleged mistreatment of undocumented immigrants.

The attack on Trump came during a discussion of immigration policy. Trump was defending his plan to deport all 11 million undocumented people in America, but keep the “really good” ones. The billionaire said he alone was responsible for bringing the issue of immigration into the presidential race — and Rubio wasn’t having it.

“If you’re going to claim that you’re the only one that lifted this issue into the campaign, then you acknowledge that, for example, you’re the only person on this stage that’s ever been fined for hiring people to work on your projects illegally,” he said.

Trump fired back almost immediately: “No, I’m the only one on the stage that’s hired people. You haven’t hired anybody.”

“Yeah, but you hired a thousand people from another company, another country … he hired workers from Poland and he had to pay a million dollars or so in a judgement,” Rubio responded. “That’s a fact. People can look it up — I’m sure people are googling it right now

[abbey1227]

Aug 27, 2022 13:28:07 GMT merh said:

Maybe we have enough politicians who recognize their donors want cheap, exploitable workers more than other politicians that talk the talk, but then don't walk the walk. 

Like Oz bitching about that stuff, yet he hired them.
And Trump. Hell, one of his earliest kerfuffle was over a contractor on one of his projects hiring undocumented Polish workers 

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)

Trump fired back almost immediately: “No, I’m the only one on the stage that’s hired people. You haven’t hired anybody.”

“Yeah, but you hired a thousand people from another company, another country … he hired workers from Poland and he had to pay a million dollars or so in a judgement,” Rubio responded. “That’s a fact. People can look it up — I’m sure people are googling it right now

Not just the politicians, merh. Govt types, teachers, hospital workers........pretty much half the country has been brainwashed into thinking it's somehow the US's duty to leave the borders open to all. It's disgusting and self-destructive.

Trump's rebuttal was spot on. There's no way working in NYC and building that there was never any subcontracting involving illegals. THAT's common knowledge. It's like criticizing for associating with the Mob, when they run all the trucking, garbage disposal and construction in the area, too. That's sorta like being shocked there's sex workers in DC fer chrissakes.

[merh]

Aug 27, 2022 15:22:36 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 27, 2022 13:28:07 GMT merh said:

Maybe we have enough politicians who recognize their donors want cheap, exploitable workers more than other politicians that talk the talk, but then don't walk the walk. 

Like Oz bitching about that stuff, yet he hired them.
And Trump. Hell, one of his earliest kerfuffle was over a contractor on one of his projects hiring undocumented Polish workers 

Not just the politicians, merh. Govt types, teachers, hospital workers........pretty much half the country has been brainwashed into thinking it's somehow the US's duty to leave the borders open to all. It's disgusting and self-destructive.

Trump's rebuttal was spot on. There's no way working in NYC and building that there was never any subcontracting involving illegals. THAT's common knowledge. It's like criticizing for associating with the Mob, when they run all the trucking, garbage disposal and construction in the area, too. That's sorta like being shocked there's sex workers in DC fer chrissakes.

Trump can do no wrong in your eyes.

Like i keep saying.
Chicken/egg.

Trump needed workers. You telling me there weren't enough workers in the area?

Donald Trump Admits Hiring Illegal Immigrants
By
Jonathan Goodman, Contributor
Host of The Johno Show
Sep 15, 2016, 06:25 AM EDT|Updated Sep 15, 2016

Do you remember Nannygate? In 1993, when Bill Clinton put forth two nominees for United States Attorney General and they were both disqualified from the position because they had hired illegal aliens to take care of their kids. Both of these individual’s lives were ruined and they never sought a high profile government position again.

Now, more than two decades later, we have a presidential candidate with a xenophobic message focused on building a wall between our southern neighbors and deporting 11 million undocumented individuals. All while fully being aware that his past is littered with hiring undocumented workers and even today one of his biggest projects has illegals working there.

In 1979, Trump took the lowest of 12 demolition bids and hired Kaszycki & Sons, who had never done a total demolition before but promised to tear down the former Bonwit Teller department store, the future location of Trump Tower, for just $775,000 dollars. Kaszycki hired 15 members of the House Wreckers Union Local 95 as well as 200 non-union men most of which were immigrants from Poland.The Poles were paid a third of what the union members were making. They had no benefits, used sledgehammers instead of power tools, didn’t have hard hats and worked 12 hour days seven days a week. Many of them slept at the demolition site.

Even with what amounted to slave labor, Kaszycki was behind schedule, over budget, and by early 1980 stopped paying the Polish workers. When the workers complained they were met with alleged threats of deportation. So they began to strike and hired John Szabo, a storefront lawyer in Queens to go after the money.

When it finally made it’s way to trial in 1991, Trump claimed no knowledge of the nonunion undocumented workers. The courts heard a different story from former Trump adviser Daniel Sullivan, a labor negotiator for Trump. Daniel Sullivan was previously involved with Trump’s lease agreement for the land adjoining Trump Plaza where Trump drastically overspent $1.1 million dollars on a property Sullivan had bought for just $195K dollars a couple years before. After the deal was done Trump brought Sullivan on as a labor negotiator. And now here of course Sullivan double crossed Trump and called him out for hiring illegals.

Sullivan recalled a conversation for the courts between himself and Donald in June of 1980 where Donald said he was having difficulties and sought his advice regarding some illegal Polish employees on the job. Sullivan told Trump he thought he was nuts and suggested firing them promptly if he had any brains.

The federal court ruled that Trump had engaged in a conspiracy to avoid paying union pension and welfare contributions for the workers and set damages to $325,000 dollars. The case was later settled by negotiation, and the agreement was sealed

But that wasn’t Trumps only involvement with hiring illegals. In fact, right now, even during his presidential campaign, Trump is using undocumented workers in the construction project to convert Washington, D.C.’s Old Post Office Pavilion into a luxury hotel. Reuters even reviewed Department of Labor data that suggests Trump-owned businesses have tried to gain visas for over one thousand temporary workers from outside the United States since 2000. The forms show these aren’t jobs Americans won’t do. They are positions for waitress, cook, vineyard worker, golf-course superintendent, hotel manager, banquet manager, and maid for Mar A Lago.

So why is it that Trump gets a pass with all these undocumented workers even after Nannygate left careers ruined. And how do we believe a presidential candidate who says one thing and does the exact opposite.

donald-trump-admits-hiring-illegal-immigrants

Your hero.
Hires undocumented workers.
Steals jobs from Amerivan citizens

[abbey1227]

Aug 27, 2022 19:59:05 GMT merh said:

Trump can do no wrong in your eyes.

Like i keep saying.
Chicken/egg.

Trump needed workers. You telling me there weren't enough workers in the area?

Donald Trump Admits Hiring Illegal Immigrants
 Trump is using undocumented workers in the construction project to convert Washington, D.C.’s Old Post Office Pavilion into a luxury hotel.

donald-trump-admits-hiring-illegal-immigrants

Your hero.
Hires undocumented workers.
Steals jobs from Amerivan citizens

There's plenty he's done wrong, imo

Again, you're ignoring how large construction projects work. You don't normally do all the hiring of each individual personally. You hire a General Contractor, and then they go out and find subcontractors.

If you're doing that, you're at the mercy of an industry that is filled with Illegals. Yet again, the Govt is looking the other way.

I just got some quotes on getting my roof replaced. The guy with one company basically admitted at least one of his crews is entirely Mexicans. 

[merh]

Aug 28, 2022 1:56:57 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 27, 2022 19:59:05 GMT merh said:

Trump can do no wrong in your eyes.

Like i keep saying.
Chicken/egg.

Trump needed workers. You telling me there weren't enough workers in the area?

donald-trump-admits-hiring-illegal-immigrants

Your hero.
Hires undocumented workers.
Steals jobs from Amerivan citizens

There's plenty he's done wrong, imo

Again, you're ignoring how large construction projects work. You don't normally do all the hiring of each individual personally. You hire a General Contractor, and then they go out and find subcontractors.

If you're doing that, you're at the mercy of an industry that is filled with Illegals. Yet again, the Govt is looking the other way.

I just got some quotes on getting my roof replaced. The guy with one company basically admitted at least one of his crews is entirely Mexicans. 

There are plenty of locals want to work at Mar-a-Lago. 
The resort won't hire them.

Reuters even reviewed Department of Labor data that suggests Trump-owned businesses have tried to gain visas for over one thousand temporary workers from outside the United States since 2000. The forms show these aren’t jobs Americans won’t do. They are positions for waitress, cook, vineyard worker, golf-course superintendent, hotel manager, banquet manager, and maid for Mar A Lago.

Not construction. 

[abbey1227]

Aug 28, 2022 2:17:27 GMT merh said:

There are plenty of locals want to work at Mar-a-Lago. 
The resort won't hire them.

Reuters even reviewed Department of Labor data that suggests Trump-owned businesses have tried to gain visas for over one thousand temporary workers from outside the United States since 2000. The forms show these aren’t jobs Americans won’t do. They are positions for waitress, cook, vineyard worker, golf-course superintendent, hotel manager, banquet manager, and maid for Mar A Lago.

Not construction. 

Those 2 industries sorta go hand in hand. No? Trump has built resorts and casinos.

You know who I've seen working in most hotels and casinos? Especially in the wait staff and housekeeping?