We Have No Bananas Today

[abbey1227]

Photo Shows Dunkin' Store Out of Donuts as Food Shortages Hit U.S.
Jack Dutton - Friday

There appears to be a lack of Dunkin' Donuts in parts of Baltimore due to "supply chain issues," according to posts and a photo on social media, as food shortages begin to be felt in the United States.

It's unclear whether the supply chain shortage is impacting the local area or nationwide, and Newsweek has contacted Dunkin' Donuts for comment.

A photo posted on Thursday with the caption "#BuildBackBetter" shows an empty shelf in a Baltimore store with a sign from Dunkin' Donuts saying: "We apologize, but due to supply chain issues, we do not have donuts today."

"Please try our wonderful bagels and muffins."
#BuildBackBetter pic.twitter.com/phdBnEBoGo
— Anna James Zeigler (@ajzeigler) October 14, 2021

Amanda Burnham, who posted a picture of the empty shelf and the sign, was asked by Newsweek which store was impacted:

"This was the Belvedere Square location in Baltimore, MD (544 E. Belvedere Square)," she said. "I took the photo on Wednesday morning around 10am; I was going in to grab a coffee, but saw the sign and thought it was pretty amusing, so snapped a photo."

Asked whether she was looking for donuts, Burnham said she wasn't. "I probably would have been pretty annoyed if I was looking for donuts, though!" she said.

The news comes amid reports of empty shelves in stores across the U.S. Photos and videos on social media are showing growing evidence of food shortages.

[merh]

Oct 18, 2021 4:31:23 GMT abbey1227 said:

Photo Shows Dunkin' Store Out of Donuts as Food Shortages Hit U.S.
Jack Dutton - Friday

There appears to be a lack of Dunkin' Donuts in parts of Baltimore due to "supply chain issues," according to posts and a photo on social media, as food shortages begin to be felt in the United States.

It's unclear whether the supply chain shortage is impacting the local area or nationwide, and Newsweek has contacted Dunkin' Donuts for comment.

A photo posted on Thursday with the caption "#BuildBackBetter" shows an empty shelf in a Baltimore store with a sign from Dunkin' Donuts saying: "We apologize, but due to supply chain issues, we do not have donuts today."

"Please try our wonderful bagels and muffins."
#BuildBackBetter pic.twitter.com/phdBnEBoGo
— Anna James Zeigler (@ajzeigler) October 14, 2021

Amanda Burnham, who posted a picture of the empty shelf and the sign, was asked by Newsweek which store was impacted:

"This was the Belvedere Square location in Baltimore, MD (544 E. Belvedere Square)," she said. "I took the photo on Wednesday morning around 10am; I was going in to grab a coffee, but saw the sign and thought it was pretty amusing, so snapped a photo."

Asked whether she was looking for donuts, Burnham said she wasn't. "I probably would have been pretty annoyed if I was looking for donuts, though!" she said.

The news comes amid reports of empty shelves in stores across the U.S. Photos and videos on social media are showing growing evidence of food shortages.

Think about it.
How could they be out of donuts, but not muffins or bagels when they use the same goddamned ingredients?

You understand that,  right?
Or no one bakes in your house?

My kid apologized today when we saw Halloween Kills & went to Chili's after because we haven't seen each other for around a month.  Little replies to texts as well. Problem is staffing issues. Minimum wage is $14. They start at $15.50 & still can't get staff. When they do, the staff get exposed to covid & have to isolate. My kid is working 50 hour weeks. Just got a raise to $32/hr, but it burning out. 

So most likely the problem is lack of staff to make the donuts, dude. 

Dunkin may be different now, but that article said it was around 10am. When we formerly had Dunkins in this area in the late 90s (they are just starting to come back. I know of 3 not on military bases) they sold out of donuts regularly because they closed around 2pm.

Oh, look. From July

The continued labor shortage forced Dunkin’ Donuts at Southern Trace Plaza in The Villages to shut down its lobby Wednesday morning after reopening two days earlier.

Loyal Dunkin’ Donuts customers had resumed their routine of gathering in the dining area after a staffing shift marked its reopening on Monday. The famous coffee retailer had switched to a drive-through only business model due to the labor shortage.

Customers arriving at Dunkin’ Donuts on Wednesday morning found the doors locked. A sign on the door blamed the staffing shortage for the latest shut down of the dining area. The drive-through was still in operation.

A meme my sister sent-

You non-tippers told restaurant employees that if $2.13/hr wasn't enough, they should get another job, so they did...and now your favorite restaurant is understaffed & you're mad about it.

[abbey1227]

Oct 18, 2021 12:09:05 GMT merh said:

A meme my sister sent-

You non-tippers told restaurant employees that if $2.13/hr wasn't enough, they should get another job, so they did...and now your favorite restaurant is understaffed & you're mad about it.

And you 'Living Wage' goofs said $15/hr would solve the same problem.

Unfortunately it can't compete with the stimulus payments nor keep up with the coming inflation. Enjoy  

[merh]

Oct 18, 2021 12:34:24 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 18, 2021 12:09:05 GMT merh said:

A meme my sister sent-

And you 'Living Wage' goofs said $15/hr would solve the same problem.

Unfortunately it can't compete with the stimulus payments nor keep up with the coming inflation. Enjoy  

I thought the supplemental unemployment ended September 4.

Federal benefits created during the pandemic including PUA, PEUC, and FPUC end Sept. 4. Any funds remaining in your unemployment account related to these federal programs will not be available for certification or payment for weeks of unemployment ending after Sept. 4, 2021, per federal law.

So we're a month out.

Now what's your whine?

[merh]

The Pandemic Did Not Permanently Shrink the Labor Force
By Nick Bunker
Oct. 15, 2021 9:06 am ET

A person commutes on the subway in New York City.
Stephanie Keith/Getty Images
About the author: Nick Bunker is the economic research director for North America at the Indeed Hiring Lab.

Where are all the workers? That’s the question on the lips of employers, economists, and policymakers across the United States right now. Demand for workers has skyrocketed this year as employers look to staff back up after a horrifying 2020. However, the supply of labor hasn’t responded as dramatically, leaving many employers with a mounting number of open positions.

The muted response of job seekers has prompted concerns that the share of the population that can be readily employed is now stuck permanently lower. These concerns, as in the past, are overblown. While the aging of the population is inevitable, many more workers can return to work than current figures might suggest.

An aging population—but older people returning to work

One concern is that the aging of the Baby Boomer generation means that future employment rates will be structurally lower than before the coronavirus-induced recession. That is true. It was also true before the pandemic hit. The pandemic led to some retirements happening earlier than expected as some older workers lost work and then decided to retire early. But the end result was just the acceleration of a trend that was already going to happen.

Regardless, there are signs that many older people are returning to work. The employment rate for workers ages 55 and older has already recovered about two-thirds of its pandemic-induced decline.

Prime-age workforce still has room to run

But while the population may be getting older, many Americans in their peak working years are still out of work. The employment rate for workers ages 25 to 54, often called prime-age workers, currently stands at 78%. That’s 2.4 percentage points below its level before the pandemic.

It seems highly unlikely that almost 2.4 million people in their peak working years have suddenly decided that they would prefer to no longer work. Unlike older workers who have a retirement nest egg or younger workers who need more school or training, prime-age workers are generally in a spot in life when they can, need to, and most likely want to work. The pandemic and the public-policy response have caused unprecedented shifts in the world of work, but it’s hard to point to a factor that would have caused a permanent reduction in the willingness of prime-age people to work. What is more likely is that temporary, pandemic-related factors are holding back job seekers for the time being.

Some restraints on employment growth likely to fade

For example, the pandemic itself. Vaccinations against Covid-19 may have alleviated some of the worst effects of the disease for those who’ve received the jab, but the disease is still holding back many job seekers. In September, 825,000 prime-age, out-of-work people said they didn’t search for a job due to the pandemic, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. If those people were to take a job in the near future, that group alone would be enough to fill in roughly 27% of the remaining employment-rate gap for prime-age workers.

Other impediments to out-of-work people taking a job right now are likely to fade. Household savings have risen dramatically since last spring, potentially allowing more people to be more patient about returning to work. About 28% of unemployed workers who weren’t urgently searching for a job said a larger financial cushion was a reason for their lack of urgency, according to Indeed’s September Job Search Survey. But these extra funds won’t last forever. New fiscal stimulus payments are unlikely, and a more sustained reopening of the service sector will offer more opportunities to spend down savings.

While these restraints on employment growth seem likely to fade, they won’t go away instantaneously. Even when they have diminished, the processes of job search, recruitment, and hiring take time. Labor supply may not respond as quickly as some employers may like or want, but a response is set to happen. The main thing required now is patience.

But it's also like that last jobs report.
Lots of parents(mostly women since childcare tends to fall to them) have failed to return to work due to lack of stable childcare (you know-that part if the infrastructure bill your side claims isn't infrastructure) so they are waiting to be sure schools aren't closing factories again.

While seniors who dropped out/retired early also haven't returned.
So that's where we are at.
Short workers who are too cautious to dip a toe in the pool yet.

[abbey1227]

Oct 18, 2021 15:42:30 GMT merh said:

Oct 18, 2021 12:34:24 GMT abbey1227 said:

And you 'Living Wage' goofs said $15/hr would solve the same problem.

Unfortunately it can't compete with the stimulus payments nor keep up with the coming inflation. Enjoy  

I thought the supplemental unemployment ended September 4.

Federal benefits created during the pandemic including PUA, PEUC, and FPUC end Sept. 4. Any funds remaining in your unemployment account related to these federal programs will not be available for certification or payment for weeks of unemployment ending after Sept. 4, 2021, per federal law.

So we're a month out.

Now what's your whine?

There was a piece recently on how the average American showed a slight rise in the amount kept in their $Savings.

They figured it was from all of that stimulus being shelled out.

See you in 6-12 months when those 'free' dollars run out..........and the cost of everything continues to rise under your pal Brandon.

[merh]

Oct 18, 2021 22:19:23 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 18, 2021 15:42:30 GMT merh said:

I thought the supplemental unemployment ended September 4.


So we're a month out.

Now what's your whine?

There was a piece recently on how the average American showed a slight rise in the amount kept in their $Savings.

They figured it was from all of that stimulus being shelled out.

See you in 6-12 months when those 'free' dollars run out..........and the cost of everything continues to rise under your pal Brandon.

Really?
Enough to not need to work for months?
Dude, it was what, couple thousand? 
How many months is that paying rent?

I lean more people can't rely on daycare (a MAJOR issue when one is a parent. That call from the school that one needs to come get one's kid...) 

And that retired people are saying hell no. Many might have compromised immune systems like Colin Powell so are maybe reluctant to go out much. 

That leaves the 20-60 crowd.
The ones who haven't died.

Some of which are finding better paid jobs

[abbey1227]

Oct 18, 2021 22:57:59 GMT merh said:

Really?
Enough to not need to work for months?
Dude, it was what, couple thousand? 
How many months is that paying rent?

I lean more people can't rely on daycare (a MAJOR issue when one is a parent. That call from the school that one needs to come get one's kid...) 

And that retired people are saying hell no. Many might have compromised immune systems like Colin Powell so are maybe reluctant to go out much. 

That leaves the 20-60 crowd.
The ones who haven't died.

Some of which are finding better paid jobs

Do you even realize how you do that? You go from the rational and pennywise type..........to defending the typical American that is anything but. You and I both realize it really isn;t that much money. But far too many Americans think it's a fortune and life changing money. They have no ability to plan for anything more than today or tomorrow at best.

Imagine that. People actually put themselves in a position to rely on so many others? What did people do before daycare? It hasn't been around forever. I distinctly remember when it mushroomed up and thought "This is a bad idea"

You would be a part of that group that has suddenly decided it's time to check out. Good for you that you planned wisely and have that option........but you still realize most Americans do not set themselves up so well.

Some of which? The world is not set up for everyone to get the 'better' job with higher pay. That's the reality of it.

And why are they now pushing for children to be vaccinated?.......down to 5 yrs old? I suspect yet another waste of tax dollars there.

[merh]

Oct 18, 2021 23:07:04 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 18, 2021 22:57:59 GMT merh said:

Really?
Enough to not need to work for months?
Dude, it was what, couple thousand? 
How many months is that paying rent?

I lean more people can't rely on daycare (a MAJOR issue when one is a parent. That call from the school that one needs to come get one's kid...) 

And that retired people are saying hell no. Many might have compromised immune systems like Colin Powell so are maybe reluctant to go out much. 

That leaves the 20-60 crowd.
The ones who haven't died.

Some of which are finding better paid jobs

Do you even realize how you do that? You go from the rational and pennywise type..........to defending the typical American that is anything but. You and I both realize it really isn;t that much money. But far too many Americans think it's a fortune and life changing money. They have no ability to plan for anything more than today or tomorrow at best.

Imagine that. People actually put themselves in a position to rely on so many others? What did people do before daycare? It hasn't been around forever. I distinctly remember when it mushroomed up and thought "This is a bad idea"

You would be a part of that group that has suddenly decided it's time to check out. Good for you that you planned wisely and have that option........but you still realize most Americans do not set themselves up so well.

Some of which? The world is not set up for everyone to get the 'better' job with higher pay. That's the reality of it.

And why are they now pushing for children to be vaccinated?.......down to 5 yrs old? I suspect yet another waste of tax dollars there.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/poll-nearly-a-quarter-of-u-s-parents-say-covid-has-forced-their-kids-to-quarantine-this-school-year/ar-AAPfini

Poll: Nearly a quarter of U.S. parents say COVID has forced their kids to quarantine this school year
Andrew Romano 10/7/2021


Nearly 4 in 10 U.S. parents (39 percent) know children who’ve been forced to quarantine because of COVID-19 since the start of this school year, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll — and roughly a quarter (23 percent) say the virus has sent their own kids home from class.

The survey of 1,640 U.S. adults, conducted from Oct. 1 to 4, highlights the vast impact that America’s latest COVID wave has had even on Americans who haven’t fallen ill themselves — like schoolchildren and working parents.

The poll also shows that despite all the sound and fury over masks and mandates, most Americans have largely come to accept both as valuable tools that can help the U.S. return to some semblance of normalcy.

Fueled by lagging vaccination rates and the hypercontagious Delta variant, America’s summer surge coincided with a nationwide return to full in-person schooling. By late August, virus-driven school closures had soared to about 240 per week, according to Burbio, a company that has monitored district responses to the pandemic

Waste of time?
Missing the big picture?
Parents are needed to work, but how can they work if they have to stay home with a kid & quarantine at a moment's notice?

This is why kids need to be vaccinated 

Have you noticed how many bus drivers schools have lost?

That's also impacting the ability of parents to work.

But sure.
Waste of money keeping the gears working.

Cogs can't move the machine if they have to stay home with the future cogs.

No one sees a couple thousand as life changing, dude.

It is splurge money, maybe.
Catch up on a few bills maybe.
Maybe get those tires one has been needing, etc money.

Women in the workforce isn't that old of a thing.
Remember women did the work during WWII, but then the men came home & took their jobs. I distinctly remember the McDonald's campaign in the 1970s for women to work during the hours their kids were in school. Did you miss it? Not paying attention? 
women-in-the-workforce-statistics/

8. Women spend around 5 hours a day caregiving.
Studies show that women spend 4 hours and 25 minutes a day doing unpaid care work as opposed to men who only spend 1 hour and 23 minutes. In fact, between 1997 and 2012 the time women spend in caregiving was reduced by just 15 minutes a day, while for men it increased by 8 minutes. Facts about women in the workplace suggest that at this pace, the gender gap in unpaid care will be closed in 209 years from now.

So on top of working that 8 hour day, they get to parent for 5 more hours while hubby spends 90 minutes (while wife is making dinner?) Parenting. 

Yeah! Equality!

Daycare sprang up in the late 70s/early 80s to enable more women in the workforce. 

.thebalancecareers.com/women-and-work-v.

"In 1950 about one in three women participated in the labor force. By 1998, nearly three of every five women of working age were in the labor force. Among women age 16 and over, the labor force participation rate was 33.9 percent in 1950, compared with 59.8 percent in 1998.


63.3 percent of women age 16 to 24 worked in 1998 versus 43.9 percent in 1950.

76.3 percent of women age 25 to 34 worked in 1998 versus 34.0 percent in 1950.

77.1 percent of women age 35 to 44 worked in 1998 versus 39.1 percent in 1950.

76.2 percent of women age 45 to 54 worked in 1998 versus 37.9 percent in 1950.

51.2 percent of women age 55 to 64 worked in 1998 versus 27 percent in 1950.

8.6 percent of women age 65+ worked in 1998 versus 9.7 percent in 1950.

So now there aren't enough jobs our there that pay decent wages?

Some need to just toil for crap?

Capitalism 1970: "Work hard, you too can be rich."

Capitalism 1990: "Work hard & a few crumbs will fall down."

Capitalism 2021: "You should be willing to die in order to save the economy for the top percent"

[abbey1227]

Oct 19, 2021 0:40:12 GMT merh said:

Nearly 4 in 10 U.S. parents (39 percent) know children who’ve been forced to quarantine because of COVID-19 since the start of this school year, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll — and roughly a quarter (23 percent) say the virus has sent their own kids home from class.

Waste of time?
Missing the big picture?
Parents are needed to work, but how can they work if they have to stay home with a kid & quarantine at a moment's notice?

This is why kids need to be vaccinated 

Have you noticed how many bus drivers schools have lost?
That's also impacting the ability of parents to work.
But sure.
Waste of money keeping the gears working.

Cogs can't move the machine if they have to stay home with the future cogs.

No one sees a couple thousand as life changing, dude.

It is splurge money, maybe.
Catch up on a few bills maybe.
Maybe get those tires one has been needing, etc money.

Women in the workforce isn't that old of a thing.
Remember women did the work during WWII, but then the men came home & took their jobs. I distinctly remember the McDonald's campaign in the 1970s for women to work during the hours their kids were in school. Did you miss it? Not paying attention? 
women-in-the-workforce-statistics/

8. Women spend around 5 hours a day caregiving.
Studies show that women spend 4 hours and 25 minutes a day doing unpaid care work as opposed to men who only spend 1 hour and 23 minutes. In fact, between 1997 and 2012 the time women spend in caregiving was reduced by just 15 minutes a day, while for men it increased by 8 minutes. Facts about women in the workplace suggest that at this pace, the gender gap in unpaid care will be closed in 209 years from now.

So on top of working that 8 hour day, they get to parent for 5 more hours while hubby spends 90 minutes (while wife is making dinner?) Parenting. 

Yeah! Equality!

Daycare sprang up in the late 70s/early 80s to enable more women in the workforce. 

.thebalancecareers.com/women-and-work-v.

"In 1950 about one in three women participated in the labor force. By 1998, nearly three of every five women of working age were in the labor force. Among women age 16 and over, the labor force participation rate was 33.9 percent in 1950, compared with 59.8 percent in 1998.

So now there aren't enough jobs our there that pay decent wages?
Some need to just toil for crap?

Capitalism 1970: "Work hard, you too can be rich."
Capitalism 1990: "Work hard & a few crumbs will fall down."
Capitalism 2021: "You should be willing to die in order to save the economy for the top percent"

That quarantining is a joke. People who have been vaccinated can catch and spread covid, too. So what f'n difference does it make? Especially with kids that are in virtually no danger whatsoever.

Childcare is not and should not be the responsibility of anyone but the parents/family. But you village talkers refuse to give up that mantra, too.

I just heard some doofus use that exact phrase. "Life changing money" in regards to a cart he saw in a local casino. This from a fella that milks the welfare system for all it's worth and doesn't even bother to try to improve his life by working for it.

Do you remember Carebear yelling at me for pointing out how much he could've made investing in one stock versus buying his wife those new tires? 

The 1940s of even 1960s isn't old? Even if many went back to being housewives, the notion of being independent and financially responsible was foreign to American women? Were they not paying attention for all these decades, too?

All the more reason to skip having kids or getting married. Otherwise that pay gap will never fix itself. Unless you're now calling for a pay adjustment to account for all that caregiving?

You only get the Equality you negotiate and demand. Who is at fault for hooking up with fellas that don't pull their weight?

I love it when Marxists mock capitalism. Millions died for the cause of communism.........and their elite lived pretty high on the hog, too.

[merh]

/worker-florida-applied-60-entry-193l

A worker in Florida applied to 60 entry-level jobs in September and got 1 interview
Dominick Reuter
Tue, October 19, 2021, 12:34 PM

Businesses across the US say they are struggling to find employees, especially for hourly work.

Joey Holz decided to test their claims, submitting two applications per day in September.

Holz got one interview, and his summary of the experiment went viral on multiple platforms.

Joey Holz recalls first hearing complaints about a labor shortage last year when he called to make a donation of convalescent plasma at a clinic near Fort Meyers, Florida

"The guy went on this rant about how he can't find help and he can't keep anybody in his medical facility because they all quit over the stimulus checks," Holz told Insider. "And I'm like, your medical professionals quit over $1,200 checks? That's weird."

Over the next several months, he watched as a growing chorus of businesses claimed that they couldn't find anyone to hire because of government stimulus money. It was so ubiquitous that he joined a "No one wants to work" Facebook group where users made memes deriding frustrated employers.

He said he found it hard to believe that government money was keeping people out of the labor force, especially when the end of expanded federal unemployment benefits in June did not seem to trigger a surge in employment.

"If this extra money that everyone's supposedly living off of stopped in June and it's now September, obviously that's not what's stopping them," he said. Workers have argued that companies struggling to hire aren't offering competitive pay and benefits.

So Holz, a former food-service worker and charter boat crewman, decided to run an experiment.

On September 1, he sent job applications to a pair of restaurants that had been particularly public about their staffing challenges.

Then he widened the test and spent the remainder of the month applying to jobs - mostly at employers vocal about a lack of workers - and tracking his journey in a spreadsheet.

Two weeks and 28 applications later, he had just nine email responses, one follow-up phone call, and one interview with a construction company that advertised a full-time job focused on site cleanup paying $10 per hour.

But Holz said the construction company instead tried to offer Florida's minimum wage of $8.65 to start, even though the wage was scheduled to increase to $10 on September 30, and wanted "full time availability" while only scheduling part time until Holz gained "seniority."

Holz said he wasn't applying for any roles that he didn't qualify for.

"Some of the [jobs] wanted a high school diploma, some wanted retail experience," he said. "Most of them either said 'willing to train' or 'minimum experience' and none of them were over $12 an hour."

"I didn't apply for anything that required a degree, I didn't apply for anything that said 'must have six months experience in this thing,'" he added.

Holz isn't alone. Others have also spoken out about their troubles finding work despite the seemingly tight labor market.

In a Facebook post on September 29, which went viral on Twitter and Reddit as well, Holz said, "58 applications says y'all aren't desperate for workers, you just miss your slaves."

"My opinion is that this is a familiar story to many," he added.

By the end of September, Holz had sent out 60 applications, received 16 email responses, four follow-up phone calls, and the solitary interview, and shared a pie chart showing his results.

Holz acknowledged, however, that his results may not be representative of the larger labor challenges in the country, since his search was local and specifically targeted the most vocal critics of stimulus spending.

He also said that despite the claims of some businesses struggling to hire, his current boss has had no staffing issues during the pandemic.

"Nobody leaves those positions, because he takes care of his people," Holz said, referring to his boss.

Read the original article on Business Insider

But they can't find anyone to work!!!

[merh]

Oct 19, 2021 2:07:44 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 19, 2021 0:40:12 GMT merh said:

Waste of time?
Missing the big picture?
Parents are needed to work, but how can they work if they have to stay home with a kid & quarantine at a moment's notice?

This is why kids need to be vaccinated 

Have you noticed how many bus drivers schools have lost?
That's also impacting the ability of parents to work.
But sure.
Waste of money keeping the gears working.

Cogs can't move the machine if they have to stay home with the future cogs.

No one sees a couple thousand as life changing, dude.

It is splurge money, maybe.
Catch up on a few bills maybe.
Maybe get those tires one has been needing, etc money.

Women in the workforce isn't that old of a thing.
Remember women did the work during WWII, but then the men came home & took their jobs. I distinctly remember the McDonald's campaign in the 1970s for women to work during the hours their kids were in school. Did you miss it? Not paying attention? 
women-in-the-workforce-statistics/

So on top of working that 8 hour day, they get to parent for 5 more hours while hubby spends 90 minutes (while wife is making dinner?) Parenting. 

Yeah! Equality!

Daycare sprang up in the late 70s/early 80s to enable more women in the workforce. 

.thebalancecareers.com/women-and-work-v.


So now there aren't enough jobs our there that pay decent wages?
Some need to just toil for crap?

That quarantining is a joke. People who have been vaccinated can catch and spread covid, too. So what f'n difference does it make? Especially with kids that are in virtually no danger whatsoever.

Childcare is not and should not be the responsibility of anyone but the parents/family. But you village talkers refuse to give up that mantra, too.

I just heard some doofus use that exact phrase. "Life changing money" in regards to a cart he saw in a local casino. This from a fella that milks the welfare system for all it's worth and doesn't even bother to try to improve his life by working for it.

Do you remember Carebear yelling at me for pointing out how much he could've made investing in one stock versus buying his wife those new tires? 

The 1940s of even 1960s isn't old? Even if many went back to being housewives, the notion of being independent and financially responsible was foreign to American women? Were they not paying attention for all these decades, too?

All the more reason to skip having kids or getting married. Otherwise that pay gap will never fix itself. Unless you're now calling for a pay adjustment to account for all that caregiving?

You only get the Equality you negotiate and demand. Who is at fault for hooking up with fellas that don't pull their weight?

I love it when Marxists mock capitalism. Millions died for the cause of communism.........and their elite lived pretty high on the hog, too.

Kids are dying of covid
Been missing that news?

Daycare should be the parent's job?

What the hell are nannies?
They've been a thing for decades.
Mary Poppins, remember?

Dude, tires are a necessity. 

You are such a curmudgeon.
Everything is negative. 

I remember one time after my kid was born. I am getting a shower while my husband watches the baby.
Next thing I know the shower door opens & he's demanding I get out now because the baby is crying.

[abbey1227]

Oct 19, 2021 20:55:04 GMT merh said:

Kids are dying of covid
Been missing that news?

Daycare should be the parent's job?

What the hell are nannies?
They've been a thing for decades.
Mary Poppins, remember?

Dude, tires are a necessity. 

You are such a curmudgeon.
Everything is negative. 

I remember one time after my kid was born. I am getting a shower while my husband watches the baby.
Next thing I know the shower door opens & he's demanding I get out now because the baby is crying.

Really? Is the percentage above 0.0000000001 yet?

Yeah! Their kids.

Nannies are for people who can afford to farm out their parenting. Part of deciding whether to bring kids into the world is deciding whether you can actually afford them. Why else do you think I'm actually pro-choice?

BS! Cars aren't even a necessity. It's a luxury to have a vehicle. Stop with your 1st world spoiled thinking.

Everything is a baffling display of stupidity....... I just chuckle and point it out.

I can totally understand why you chose to stop at ONE.     Can you maybe explain why some of my relatives did not?

[merh]

Oct 20, 2021 2:42:06 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 19, 2021 20:55:04 GMT merh said:

Kids are dying of covid
Been missing that news?

Daycare should be the parent's job?

What the hell are nannies?
They've been a thing for decades.
Mary Poppins, remember?

Dude, tires are a necessity. 

You are such a curmudgeon.
Everything is negative. 

I remember one time after my kid was born. I am getting a shower while my husband watches the baby.
Next thing I know the shower door opens & he's demanding I get out now because the baby is crying.

Really? Is the percentage above 0.0000000001 yet?

Yeah! Their kids.

Nannies are for people who can afford to farm out their parenting. Part of deciding whether to bring kids into the world is deciding whether you can actually afford them. Why else do you think I'm actually pro-choice?

BS! Cars aren't even a necessity. It's a luxury to have a vehicle. Stop with your 1st world spoiled thinking.

Everything is a baffling display of stupidity....... I just chuckle and point it out.

I can totally understand why you chose to stop at ONE.     Can you maybe explain why some of my relatives did not?

Short sighted, aren't you?

Vehicles are needed to get to work,  etc. Employers aren't too happy when employees keep showing up late because the bus broke down again. Phones as well. They like being able to call employees in to cover a shift when needed.

Not everyone lives a block from work.
Hell, people travel miles for work. There are people who live in San Diego that work in L.A. We had an officer lived in Arizona that worked here. He'd stay in a motel for his work week, & drive back to Arizona for the weekend.

Yeah, he didn't need a car.

Gee, do you not get people?
Co-workers kept asking why I didn't have another kid. I made the mistake of telling one because I felt guilty over my kid being in daycare all day & she & the other 2 gals there took offense that I was somehow saying they were bad mothers for having more kids & their being in daycare.

Because you know in America we don't all live next door to family that can watch our kids. Maybe they live in the next county over or a different state.

No.
Things aren't baffling if one takes a few seconds to figure them out.

[abbey1227]

Oct 20, 2021 3:54:19 GMT merh said:

Short sighted, aren't you?
Vehicles are needed to get to work,  etc. Employers aren't too happy when employees keep showing up late because the bus broke down again. Phones as well. They like being able to call employees in to cover a shift when needed.

Not everyone lives a block from work.
Hell, people travel miles for work. There are people who live in San Diego that work in L.A. We had an officer lived in Arizona that worked here. He'd stay in a motel for his work week, & drive back to Arizona for the weekend.
Yeah, he didn't need a car.

Gee, do you not get people?
Co-workers kept asking why I didn't have another kid. I made the mistake of telling one because I felt guilty over my kid being in daycare all day & she & the other 2 gals there took offense that I was somehow saying they were bad mothers for having more kids & their being in daycare.

Because you know in America we don't all live next door to family that can watch our kids. Maybe they live in the next county over or a different state.

No.Things aren't baffling if one takes a few seconds to figure them out.

Compared to most? I am not short sighted.

One of the many factors in life, is deciding where to work and how far of a commute you have. I have argued that owning cars/having a license are a sign of adulthood.......only ot have leftists argue that 'But not everyone........"  So decide which side you wanna take here.

So you're saying both cars and phones are necessities now? Absolutely necessary for life? Forgive me for the eye roll here  

Great example of how people take offense at everything.   

Again, in America you have the right and freedom to decide how you wanna live your life.

[merh]

Oct 20, 2021 4:08:20 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 20, 2021 3:54:19 GMT merh said:

Short sighted, aren't you?
Vehicles are needed to get to work,  etc. Employers aren't too happy when employees keep showing up late because the bus broke down again. Phones as well. They like being able to call employees in to cover a shift when needed.

Not everyone lives a block from work.
Hell, people travel miles for work. There are people who live in San Diego that work in L.A. We had an officer lived in Arizona that worked here. He'd stay in a motel for his work week, & drive back to Arizona for the weekend.
Yeah, he didn't need a car.

Gee, do you not get people?
Co-workers kept asking why I didn't have another kid. I made the mistake of telling one because I felt guilty over my kid being in daycare all day & she & the other 2 gals there took offense that I was somehow saying they were bad mothers for having more kids & their being in daycare.

Because you know in America we don't all live next door to family that can watch our kids. Maybe they live in the next county over or a different state.

No.Things aren't baffling if one takes a few seconds to figure them out.

Compared to most? I am not short sighted.

One of the many factors in life, is deciding where to work and how far of a commute you have. I have argued that owning cars/having a license are a sign of adulthood.......only ot have leftists argue that 'But not everyone........"  So decide which side you wanna take here.

So you're saying both cars and phones are necessities now? Absolutely necessary for life? Forgive me for the eye roll here  

Great example of how people take offense at everything.   

Again, in America you have the right and freedom to decide how you wanna live your life.

Sure, in your little podunk neck of America.
You obviously don't comprehend Californians if you believe cars are a luxury.

Why do so many seniors fight losing their licenses? It is a major loss of freedom when they become dependent on others for transportation. For most people who don't drive, it is a conscious decision not to. My sister never learned because she felt too nervous. An aunt also. Others I've known lack depth perception. 

You can't get from point A to point B in San Diego by bus. A co-worker complained she would.love to take the bus, but it would take her 2 hours vs 30 minutes by her driving. I had a 20 minute drive to work in the morning so I would leave at 7am to start at 7:30. When my Neon was down I had to leave at 5am to catch a bus around 5:15 to get to the trolley station to get dropped off 5 blocks from my work.

Roads don't go through. The freeway does. We are a city built on spaces. There isn't a single road that connects the city. It's this road, then another to catch that road, then another.  

Orange county is far easier. One can follow Brookhurst or Beach from the beach to Anaheim, passing through all the cities on the way. It's  one of those jammed together places. Driving Beach one sees signs "welcome to Westminster.""you are now leaving Stanton" it feels like one giant city when it's actually several with no room to expand.

There is a school at the end of the block. To get to any store is 6 blocks north or 6 blocks south. Think everyone who lives in all the apartments in this area could get work at the liquor store to the north or the gas station to the south?

I have discussed my husband.
We lived in Orange County when we married but 6 months in we moved to San Diego, around a 90 minute drive. My husband also said we couldn't afford a phone so we didn't have one. This was 1980 so no cell phones. To call my mother I had to walk to the 7-11 on the corner which my husband actually admitted was the reason for no phone. He didn't want me to be able to call my mother. A control issue. However I also had hell finding work because they want to be able to call one to come in for work.  

So yeah, I know how impossible it is. How one needs a phone because I didn't have one for 6 months. I finally insisted we needed a phone & once it was installed he said the reason he said no phone was to keep me from speaking with my family.

I remember life in San Bernardino in the 60s. Party line phones. No answer machines. Even more miles & miles between businesses.

No pagers either 

[abbey1227]

Oct 20, 2021 13:44:30 GMT merh said:

Oct 20, 2021 4:08:20 GMT abbey1227 said:

Again, in America you have the right and freedom to decide how you wanna live your life.

Sure, in your little podunk neck of America.
You obviously don't comprehend Californians if you believe cars are a luxury.
Why do so many seniors fight losing their licenses? It is a major loss of freedom when they become dependent on others for transportation. For most people who don't drive, it is a conscious decision not to. My sister never learned because she felt too nervous. An aunt also. Others I've known lack depth perception. 

You can't get from point A to point B in San Diego by bus. A co-worker complained she would.love to take the bus, but it would take her 2 hours vs 30 minutes by her driving. I had a 20 minute drive to work in the morning so I would leave at 7am to start at 7:30. When my Neon was down I had to leave at 5am to catch a bus around 5:15 to get to the trolley station to get dropped off 5 blocks from my work.
Roads don't go through. The freeway does. We are a city built on spaces. There isn't a single road that connects the city. It's this road, then another to catch that road, then another.  Orange county is far easier. One can follow Brookhurst or Beach from the beach to Anaheim, passing through all the cities on the way. It's  one of those jammed together places. Driving Beach one sees signs "welcome to Westminster.""you are now leaving Stanton" it feels like one giant city when it's actually several with no room to expand.There is a school at the end of the block. To get to any store is 6 blocks north or 6 blocks south. Think everyone who lives in all the apartments in this area could get work at the liquor store to the north or the gas station to the south?

I have discussed my husband.
We lived in Orange County when we married but 6 months in we moved to San Diego, around a 90 minute drive. My husband also said we couldn't afford a phone so we didn't have one. This was 1980 so no cell phones. To call my mother I had to walk to the 7-11 on the corner which my husband actually admitted was the reason for no phone. He didn't want me to be able to call my mother. A control issue. However I also had hell finding work because they want to be able to call one to come in for work. 
So yeah, I know how impossible it is. How one needs a phone because I didn't have one for 6 months. I finally insisted we needed a phone & once it was installed he said the reason he said no phone was to keep me from speaking with my family.

I remember life in San Bernardino in the 60s. Party line phones. No answer machines. Even more miles & miles between businesses.No pagers either

Do you believe everything is within walking distance in my podunk area?

Cars are still a luxury usually reserved for adults who take on the responsibility of buying and maintaining them.

So we're in agreement that people who opt not to own their own cars are in a way opting out of being fully independent adults? They expect the public to provide them with transportation? Despite all of the negatives that come along with that method of travel?  (Philly just had a doozy of a tale on that)

Job availability and cost of living are all things that go into choosing wisely for yourself. 

Your husband seemed to have the ability to think of things to be a real tool. I still believe in America you have the right and freedom to decide how you wanna live your life. Choose wisely.

by the by, I've seen the typical phone bill go from about $10/month for a basic landline.......to people paying well over $100/month for their cell phones.....all while bitching things are too expensive? Poor choices yet again. Cell phones are a luxury.......one that most of the planet opts for, strangely enough.

[merh]

Oct 20, 2021 14:03:48 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 20, 2021 13:44:30 GMT merh said:

Sure, in your little podunk neck of America.
You obviously don't comprehend Californians if you believe cars are a luxury.
Why do so many seniors fight losing their licenses? It is a major loss of freedom when they become dependent on others for transportation. For most people who don't drive, it is a conscious decision not to. My sister never learned because she felt too nervous. An aunt also. Others I've known lack depth perception. 

You can't get from point A to point B in San Diego by bus. A co-worker complained she would.love to take the bus, but it would take her 2 hours vs 30 minutes by her driving. I had a 20 minute drive to work in the morning so I would leave at 7am to start at 7:30. When my Neon was down I had to leave at 5am to catch a bus around 5:15 to get to the trolley station to get dropped off 5 blocks from my work.
Roads don't go through. The freeway does. We are a city built on spaces. There isn't a single road that connects the city. It's this road, then another to catch that road, then another.  Orange county is far easier. One can follow Brookhurst or Beach from the beach to Anaheim, passing through all the cities on the way. It's  one of those jammed together places. Driving Beach one sees signs "welcome to Westminster.""you are now leaving Stanton" it feels like one giant city when it's actually several with no room to expand.There is a school at the end of the block. To get to any store is 6 blocks north or 6 blocks south. Think everyone who lives in all the apartments in this area could get work at the liquor store to the north or the gas station to the south?

I have discussed my husband.
We lived in Orange County when we married but 6 months in we moved to San Diego, around a 90 minute drive. My husband also said we couldn't afford a phone so we didn't have one. This was 1980 so no cell phones. To call my mother I had to walk to the 7-11 on the corner which my husband actually admitted was the reason for no phone. He didn't want me to be able to call my mother. A control issue. However I also had hell finding work because they want to be able to call one to come in for work. 
So yeah, I know how impossible it is. How one needs a phone because I didn't have one for 6 months. I finally insisted we needed a phone & once it was installed he said the reason he said no phone was to keep me from speaking with my family.

I remember life in San Bernardino in the 60s. Party line phones. No answer machines. Even more miles & miles between businesses.No pagers either

Do you believe everything is within walking distance in my podunk area?

Cars are still a luxury usually reserved for adults who take on the responsibility of buying and maintaining them.

So we're in agreement that people who opt not to own their own cars are in a way opting out of being fully independent adults? They expect the public to provide them with transportation? Despite all of the negatives that come along with that method of travel?  (Philly just had a doozy of a tale on that)

Job availability and cost of living are all things that go into choosing wisely for yourself. 

Your husband seemed to have the ability to think of things to be a real tool. I still believe in America you have the right and freedom to decide how you wanna live your life. Choose wisely.

by the by, I've seen the typical phone bill go from about $10/month for a basic landline.......to people paying well over $100/month for their cell phones.....all while bitching things are too expensive? Poor choices yet again. Cell phones are a luxury.......one that most of the planet opts for, strangely enough.

Dude. 
You are the one said people  choose where to live.
Ability to afford obviously has squat to do with it.

My clients were always begging for bus cards. $5 each way. 

Dude, some people lose the right to have a car. 
DUIs need to take a class to get their license back. 


It's a sign of a stalker/domestic abuser that he was that controlling.  Something most people don't seem to understand.

Those "Obama phones" which were actually Ronnie's lifeline phone line for low income people that W opened up to cell phones.

So no, they aren't paying for them.
My clients had to check in after release from jail & were often on their way next to get their free phone 

Under a certain income limit one could get a free phone. Some are apparently inventive enough to get 2 or 3 so they don't have the minutes limit.

Getting paid under the table/cash enables them to do this.  My sister-in-law's husband did drywall for cash so she qualified for all sorts of freebies.

Not Democrat.
My inlaws were all Republicans 
Whee!

[abbey1227]

Oct 20, 2021 20:35:33 GMT merh said:

Dude. 
You are the one said people  house where to live.
Ability to afford obviously has squat to do with it.
My clients were always begging for bus cards. $5 each way.
Dude, some people lose the right to have a car. 
DUIs need to take a class to get their license back. 


It's a sign of a stalker/domestic abuser that he was that controlling.  Something most people don't seem to understand.

Those "Obama phones" which were actually Ronnie's lifeline phone line for low income people that W opened up to cell phones.
So no, they aren't paying for them.
My clients had to check in after release from jail & were often on their way next to get their free phone
Under a certain income limit one could get a free phone. Some are apparently inventive enough to get 2 or 3 so they don't have the minutes limit.
Getting paid under the table/cash enables them to do this.  My sister-in-law's husband did drywall for cash so she qualified for all sorts of freebies.
Not Democrat.My inlaws were all Republicans Whee!

And? When you choose someplace you can't afford.......you chose poorly.    That's not anyone else's fault.

Oh, those affordable buses. If not for Govt subsidies, they'd have likely abandoned them years ago.

They lose the right? Then again.....they chose poorly.

It takes 2 to tango. People understand that.

So 2 wrongs make a right? The original land lines were nowhere near as pricey as the cell phones now. And even those are up for debate.

Inventive enough to get 2 or 3........but not so inventive as to be more productive

I've told you how often the GOP are just as bad as the Dems. You've got all the proof you need. Now stop denying those programs are defrauded all the time.

[merh]

Oct 21, 2021 0:19:52 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 20, 2021 20:35:33 GMT merh said:

Dude. 
You are the one said people  house where to live.
Ability to afford obviously has squat to do with it.
My clients were always begging for bus cards. $5 each way.
Dude, some people lose the right to have a car. 
DUIs need to take a class to get their license back. 


It's a sign of a stalker/domestic abuser that he was that controlling.  Something most people don't seem to understand.

Those "Obama phones" which were actually Ronnie's lifeline phone line for low income people that W opened up to cell phones.
So no, they aren't paying for them.
My clients had to check in after release from jail & were often on their way next to get their free phone
Under a certain income limit one could get a free phone. Some are apparently inventive enough to get 2 or 3 so they don't have the minutes limit.
Getting paid under the table/cash enables them to do this.  My sister-in-law's husband did drywall for cash so she qualified for all sorts of freebies.
Not Democrat.My inlaws were all Republicans Whee!

And? When you choose someplace you can't afford.......you chose poorly.    That's not anyone else's fault.

Oh, those affordable buses. If not for Govt subsidies, they'd have likely abandoned them years ago.

They lose the right? Then again.....they chose poorly.

It takes 2 to tango. People understand that.

So 2 wrongs make a right? The original land lines were nowhere near as pricey as the cell phones now. And even those are up for debate.

Inventive enough to get 2 or 3........but not so inventive as to be more productive

I've told you how often the GOP are just as bad as the Dems. You've got all the proof you need. Now stop denying those programs are defrauded all the time.

There is no denying the type that spend as much or more energy looking for the easy fix as actually working. 

I just argue the good done by the programs isn't negated by the cheaters/grasshoppers. 

My husband was one. Worked, but always looking for that shortcut. Rushed through his work because it equaled more pay (he felt if he rushed through his work, getting it done faster & goofing off for hours equaled higher pay. Say he was paid $10/hour. If he did the work in 4 hours it equaled $20/hour even if he got written up for doing a crappy job). 

How about you stop denying the good done.

It's like the terrorism argument. 
"If one plane goes down we've failed"
But the reality is there is always someone looking for that loophole. That way to blow the safe. The way to rob Fort Knox. That way to bring down a plane.

Or how to get away with murder.

That is the game.

Set up the board. 
Set the rules.
Someone will always look for the loophole they can squeeze through