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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 6:57:01 GMT
The government forces you to do business with certain corporations because those corporations have bought and paid for those politicians. This isn't a chicken versus egg thing, Abs. It's really obvious, which one came first. And here you are agreeing with me about big corporations. It doesn't leave the same people in DC if you vote them out. Duh!
As far as being in the pockets of corporations? Yup. Vote them out. "Sep 04, 2020 · A total of 781 people have been arrested as a result of the Portland demonstrations, according to statistics gathered in a federal analysis. " "Oct 30, 2020 · An analysis of nearly 100 arrest records found nearly 50% of people arrested during Seattle protests were white." "Jun 01, 2020 · MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — More than 480 people were arrested in the Twin Cities over the weekend as authorities initiated a combined response to the unrest following the death of George Floyd in police custody."
I can find more if you want.
That was an insurrection and I consider all who participated (and those who supported them or spurred them on) to be guilty of sedition. Please don't try to compare the two as the Floyd riots were simply seeking a redress of grievances (in the completely wrong way) while the people on January 6th were trying to obstruct the democratic process of the entire country simply because they didn't like the outcome of an election. Fucking whiny little snowflake fucks. Yeah. How dare they try (way too late) to keep people from dying. ![[rolleye1]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/MTjbungPBOzv0BKQvdPJ.gif) The US provides the second highest government subsidy of gasoline in the world. In other words, we have the second LOWEST gas prices in the world. For once? [/quote] |
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Post by abbey1227 on May 17, 2021 7:14:58 GMT
As far as being in the pockets of corporations? Yup. Vote them out. "Sep 04, 2020 · A total of 781 people have been arrested as a result of the Portland demonstrations, according to statistics gathered in a federal analysis. " "Oct 30, 2020 · An analysis of nearly 100 arrest records found nearly 50% of people arrested during Seattle protests were white." "Jun 01, 2020 · MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — More than 480 people were arrested in the Twin Cities over the weekend as authorities initiated a combined response to the unrest following the death of George Floyd in police custody."
I can find more if you want.
My opinion on being socially liberal and fiscally conservative is in the tiny minority now in the US. I'm not voting anyone out at this point........whoever offers the most in freebies get elected and re-elected.
I found more, too!  ............
Charges dropped against protesters who demonstrated ... richmond.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/... May 12, 2021 · Misdemeanor charges of entering property with the intent to damage and dumping trash on private property were withdrawn against Nancy Nguyen and seven others who participated in the Sept. 8 protest...
Most charges against George Floyd protesters dropped ... www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/17/... Apr 17, 2021 · The vast majority of citations and charges against George Floyd protesters were ultimately dropped, dismissed or otherwise not filed,
Criminal charges against dozens of Portland protesters droppedwww.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/criminal... Jul 10, 2020 · KGW analysis of police and court records shows the Multnomah County District Attorney’s office dropped charges against at least 59 of the roughly 400 protesters arrested since mass demonstrations
Cities Drop Most Charges Against BLM Protesters as Cops ... truthout.org/articles/cities-drop-most... Apr 19, 2021 · Cities Drop Most Charges Against BLM Protesters as Cops Fail to Provide Evidence. Portland police officers search for stragglers after dispersing a protest against the killing of Daunte Wright on April 12, 2021, in Portland, Oregon. At least 90 percent of charges against Black Lives Matter protesters in a dozen jurisdictions have been dropped, dismissed or not filed,
And I certainly hope you noted that I was all for punishing the white people arrested in Seattle........or, if we're dismissing all these charges, then let's give the same treatment to the Jan 6 people.
Especially since it seems like a lot of it was choreographed by insiders and posers.
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 17:33:17 GMT
I said "citizens" so we're just going to let your comment about illegals go. You seriously think everyone is being offered the same opportunities? Do you really think that having access to a school = getting a quality education?
Oh, that's right. You said, "bare minimum" as in "You managed to stay alive for 5 years, here's a book, now fuck off and learn how to read!"
Why just let it go, though? Every dollar spent on Illegals takes away from dollars available to spend on citizens. That's something we can agree on, no?
I don't want China spending a nickel on unwelcome foreigners anymore than any other country.
That's right. There should be a bare minimum. Unlike the mess they've created. I'm fine with teaching to read.......but after that? I know you've got a perpetual love on for teachers, but aren't motivated people able to gain access to whatever interests them without the need for so much bureaucracy?
1. Every dollar we spend on pulling cars over for dangling air fresheners takes away dollars from tracking down actual criminals and building community trust. That's something we can agree on, no?
2. Irrelevant
3. SMFH. No wonder you're just a drone happy to just get by.
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 17:40:52 GMT
Were I a younger man and so inclined.... Sure, sure........that and you were just too interested in better areas of work. 
Exactly what "defunding the police" is all about, Abs. Glad to see that you're finally on board! ![[cheers]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/engyBVslEdpmpmdnBwZQ.gif) Like 'open borders' ...... I think we'll just have to stick with the sources we've both chosen. You can buy all that 're-imagined' garbage they're selling......but here, they're actually implying their lives would be better without the police. And I say let them find out for themselves. Just like I think they should be sent to places like Venezuela to find out just how great democratic socialism can be.
Do you think the police in the US get years of training?
Police officers in the US receive between 10 and 36 weeks worth of training... most closer to the 10 than the 36. Then they get about 6 months OTJ training before being cut loose on the community by themselves.
By comparison, the police in the UK spend 2 to 3 years between basic training and OTJ training before they are no longer considered "rookies" and allowed to be on their own. Even more training is required if they are chosen to be in the armed response unit. Ummmm, most police in the US required a minimum 2-4 years higher education for most departments. They don't usually just hire thugs and bouncers off the street, give 'em a few weeks of coaching and then hand them a gun and a badge that I'm aware of. How is it we have such a variance in belief on their training? And they're always faced with the latest policies and procedures depending on the latest trends and politics.
Yeah. Maybe if ALL the police were worthy of respect, they'd ALL be treated respectfully? Are all people worthy of respect? All teachers? All redheads? No
This is where you try to dodge with all the "criminals aren't respectful of the law" herpaderp so that you don't have to admit that there are people out there getting pulled over for no other reason other than the cop wanting to exercise his authority, power, and racism. All the more reason to reduce the number of laws and the budgets of Govt, no?
Yeah. Racism. I'm sure there are bits of racism remaining.........there may even be a form of jaded intolerance after months and years on the job. But the US is not this hotbed of racism that's being pushed currently. (Without even mentioning the racism that exists within all races) And hearing it from other countries that have nowhere near the diversity and tolerance of the US is growing old. For such a racist place, there seems to be no shortage of brown or black people coming here........and most of them do better that people who have been here their whole lives. How do we explain that away?
I guarantee that if you kept getting pulled over by every black cop in town, you'd start thinking it was more about your red hair and lily-white skin rather than going 5 over the limit or having an air-freshener dangling from your mirror. You might even start getting more and more pissed every time you saw those lights in your review mirror. You might even start getting a little terse in your responses to the nice officer. How long before you snap and say, "Why the fuck are you pulling me over this fucking time?!" Except I already sorta went thru that in my early adulthood into my mid-20s. And then I figured out it was a combination of the policies in place, my vehicle and my behavior that was attracting the attention. Had nothing to do with the color of my hair......or skin. And after adjusting my choice of vehicles and driving habits..... Voila! I stopped being pulled over.
"Step out of the car please. Keep your hands where I can see them."
This is the part where you lie and tell me that you'd be completely OK with being pulled over once a week by the black cops on the force and that you'd be completely friendly and never, ever drive away with anything but love for the police in your heart. Not at all. But if I was repeatedly pulled over by the same cops, for truly no reason.......... I'd be sure to get their names and start filing some complaints. There's no way I'd bother arguing with them on the side of the road late at night....or worse, resisting arrest and giving them the opportunity to escalate the stop into something much worse. Y'know?.......just like jpat has explained how he taught both of his sons to handle themselves way down in Georgia? Shit, I might even consider moving to another area.
You know what?
I don't even have words to describe all the bullshit you just spewed in that post: the dodging, the twisting....
You're a fucking contortionist.
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 18:16:55 GMT
Yes. All of those conservative, Catholic illegals who hate abortion and are willing to WORK are absolutely going to gravitate towards the "kill a fetus and take some food stamps" party.
So make coming here an undesirable prospect.
You acknowledge that they are taking away jobs (that most Americans don't actually want, but whatever) so what's the problem with making sure there are no jobs for them?
This is where you tell me that they'll just keep coming for all the free stuff... after you just admitted that they want to work....
I suppose that if I were you, I'd be more worried about illegals as well. After all, you're just a drone who is easily replaceable. Hell. If I were just a drone, I'd be worried about more actual citizens getting off welfare as well. I mean, if "getting by" is as easy as you say, just one person getting off welfare and being able to do your job even slightly better would be a threat. Better to just keep them down while complaining about the system that enables them, right? ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif)
Awful lotta people in the US subsisting on handouts. If they were required to work for them, then maybe there wouldn't be such an acceptable thing as 'jobs Americans don't want'? What an elitist attitude to have anyway? Americans are too good for that? But foreigners aren't?
It's the FREE stuff keeping both the Illegals and the American layabouts part of this annoyingly perpetual game.
I absolutely am a low level and easily replaceable drone. Like most Americans. Or did you expect I'd agree that we aren't? I've got no illusions. This is what's currently making me laugh out loud about the $15/hr demand. The way things are going right now?........they shoulda demanded $30/hr cuz $15 ain't gonna make a dent in the quickly rising costs here now. ![[crazy1]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/ue0z0fwvecEC0UQSHAmw.gif)
By all means, step up to the plate, do the job better than me, and replace me. Then I guess I'd have to up my game, as well. That's how actual progress and improvements happen, imo.
I'm not sure that you're capable of upping your game.
I don't think you're that sure about it either and that's why you are the angry, hateful (not apathetic at all) person that you are. That's why you twist and dodge and obfuscate. You've got nothing to offer but a steadfast commitment to mediocrity and "getting by."
I appreciate that you have a job, Abs and that you're contributing - even though it's as little as possible - to society. You got the short end of the stick from day one and you're pretty sure that's all you'll ever get so you don't want anyone else to have a chance to do any better.
Of course, you'll deny that. I'm sure you've got some story to tell... but I don't care. In the end, you don't want the country to get better. You just don't want to be the guy at the bottom of the totem pole. You're fine being second from the bottom.
I'll tell a story instead.
For years, I worked in the restaurant industry (fast food and full service) and one thing was always consistent: poor people are the worst customers. Something is always wrong with their order: too much ice... not enough ice... the fries are the exact shade of "golden brown" as in the picture... and so on. But the worst thing that poor people could always be counted on to do was to treat the staff like absolute shit. Going to a restaurant (particularly a fast food joint) was an opportunity to be "better than" someone else every once in a while... to finally not be the low man on the totem pole... and make sure that everyone knew it.
I know that you're going to tell me how much you agree and that you never do that... but I'll bet you do. It might be in some passive-aggressive way that you don't realize, but I'll guarantee that you do it to someone behind some counter somewhere.
Hell, I'd see employees come in on their days off and be assholes to their coworkers.
Anyway... just some (fast) food for thought....
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 18:19:20 GMT
And a lot of those people not doing what is right also happen to be "conservatives."
In fact, "conservatives" seem to be the biggest stumbling block to keeping our soil, air, and water clean.
Seems to me that they should be on the same page as the "liberals" but they're not. I suspect that it's strictly about being adversarial rather than doing what's right. Can't admit that those damn libs actually had a good point!
THAT's your belief, huh?
Yup. And, based on who are the people lobbying congress (and the congress members fighting against environmental bills), I'd say the record bears out my belief. |
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 18:21:27 GMT
Did you notice that every example I gave was about hurting other people?
Actually hurting them? Or just peoples' impressions and feelings?
God hates fags is no more harmful a saying than Redheads have no souls......... unless you actually buy into the nonsense?
And you just skipped over the other two... 
But there are way more than a few stories about conservative Christians doing a whole lot worse that just trying to "pray the gay away."
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 18:24:21 GMT
Isn't that what I just said? I think you should read my series on Chinese education before you make silly guesses.
The core should be first and foremost. However, when taught correctly, there should actually be plenty of time left over for kids to play sports and learn music and art.
Plenty of industrialized, 1st world countries can do it. If the US is so exceptional, we should be doing it better.
The US has not been exceptional in decades.
And no, imo you do not embrace the Golden Rule when it comes to your neighbors. Not when you expect them all to participate to the levels that you believe in.......while excusing a certain segment of them at the same time.
This is a perfect example of how wrong you were in one of your other posts: learning how to read words isn't enough. Having the ability to know what words mean in context is even more important.
As usual: you failed
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 18:30:13 GMT
I really mean get rid of them all
How do you get people to invest in business without a stock market of some sort? I'm sure there's something we can agree on there........after getting rid of the unions and corporations.
Sole proprietorship and partnership should be the only forms of business ownership... with a little "limited liability" tossed in.
What's the matter? I thought you liked capitalism.
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 18:43:22 GMT
Like I said elsewhere: I don't think you understand how fast an ICBM travels.
Other than that, are you willing to let conflicts between other nations continue without our interference even if it's obvious that our interests will eventually be at stake?
I'm not disagreeing with you, here. I'm just to gauge how far back you want to draw our forces and then discuss how much smaller our military really could be. Is there really a need for a dozen super carriers if all they ever do is patrol our coastlines?
Mach 20..........and? When it comes to nuclear devices, too........what difference does it really make? Once it goes off, aren't we all just toast anyway? Russia's latest missiles supposedly fly 27 times faster than the speed of sound, too.
I'd be the hard-ass if I was calling the shots, though. I wouldn't tolerate 20 year occupations and insane 'rules of engagement'.
As Teddy Roosevelt advised, speak softly.......carry a big stick.
What's the point of that big stick if you're never willing to whack anyone with it? If you won't......don't spend money on it to begin with.
I think it's kind of wasteful to have a dozen super carriers and I forget how many subs simply patrolling our coastal waters.
However, in the real need for war, I'd be a complete hard-ass: No structure over 1 story tall left standing... at best. And once the enemy surrendered, I'd pull out the troops: no nation building on my watch. Get your own shit together or we're coming back. Non-involved country wants to denounce the move? They just might end up as next on the list. They're certainly not getting "favored trading partner" perks anymore. I hope they don't have a natural disaster and need our help for relief efforts.
Yeah. I want people to be nice to each other, but I'm a vindictive sonofabitch when they refuse to do it.
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 18:47:35 GMT
I hate to point this out to you but both of those programs originally got fucked over and made expensive by people who identify as "conservative."
Liberals trying to keep them solvent has made them even more expensive based on the push-back of conservatives and corporations.
How do you keep a Ponzi scheme solvent?
Unless taxing people 50-75% or more is the answer to everything?
Low birth rates caused problems for SSI, but moving its funds was worse
I've never advocated tax rates that high. I only advocate closing the loopholes so that all taxes get paid.
I'm also a fan of getting rid of the silly notion that taxes are just some sort of "loan" to the government. Pay your taxes and never worry about April 15th again.
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 18:50:06 GMT
Do you really believe there was ever a time in American history when moneyed interests weren't pushing their particular agenda? All the more reason to fix our education system.... Maybe it's just that I notice that the people you always seem to complain about are the ones who aren't white.
It gives me pause.
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The pause you give me is you seem to totally buy into the 'conservative person = racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, etc etc.........and that just ain't me.
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Then you might want to think a bit more deeply about your opinions and how you present them |
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 18:51:48 GMT
Everyone approaches life looking through the prism of their own beliefs.
And some of those beliefs are fucking HORRIBLE!!!
Yes. I think that a lot of the activism we see today is based on vengeance. That's why I deplore it. That doesn't mean that I agree with those being fought against.
If the Jews had spent the late 40's and 50's rounding up every German they could lay their hands on and tossing them into ovens, I'd denounce them. It wouldn't mean that I was favoring Nazis. It means that I think genocide is bad no matter who does it.
You don't have to agree with them. Just be tolerant of all, right?
Of course. And I won't be holding Germans born after the 40s responsible for the actions of their ancestors.
Though, I do recall a few callous remarks you've made about Jews whenever the subject of Seinfeld came up?  But I just took it as you being funny. 3 whiny Jews and a Bitch?
Yup. Just a larf
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 18:53:19 GMT
It's nearly 3:00 am and I'm tired.
I'll pick on you more tomorrow... later today... fucking time zones!
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Post by abbey1227 on May 18, 2021 0:41:07 GMT
Yup. And, based on who are the people lobbying congress (and the congress members fighting against environmental bills), I'd say the record bears out my belief. How do you get people to invest in business without a stock market of some sort? I'm sure there's something we can agree on there........after getting rid of the unions and corporations. Sole proprietorship and partnership should be the only forms of business ownership... with a little "limited liability" tossed in. What's the matter? I thought you liked capitalism.
You might have a point if the latest wave of leftism wasn't blatantly using the DNR, EPA and other agencies to deprive people of their freedoms and property rights. I was likely as shocked as anyone to discover Nixon established the EPA to begin with. But reasonable moderation in all things, right?
Hmmmm...... isn't stock ownership just another form of voluntary partnership/ownership? It's certainly a great way to raise the funds to invest and expand a business.
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Post by Prometheus on May 18, 2021 4:01:12 GMT
But you specifically mentioned Title IX....
Ummm, YEAH! Because just like Affirmative Action........it starts out with the best of intentions........but in reality, all it does it ruin some perfectly good things in the name of 'fairness'.
You know how many mens sports (that actually had fans and followings) were scrapped because they couldn't provide matching funds for females? And the WNBA is still living off the NBA after all this time?
I believe in equal opportunity.......is some Spud Webb-like female comes along and can dribble better than her opponents, she gets a spot on an NBA team. But to expect equal funding for girls sports when 1. Girls don't seem to gravitate to sports nearly to the extend as the guys and 2. the paying fans don't either.
And that's without even bringing up the argument of whether or not highschools and colleges should even be IN the business of sports, right? It's called extracurricular, right?
And can you think of any areas where there seems to be a great deal of money, fraud, corruption and in general evil shenanigans going on within the educational system? IIRC, about 30 States' highest paid employee is actually the Head Coach at their schools. 1. I get where you're coming from but you took an unexpected left somewhere....
2. Don't care... for the reason you bring up later
3. Does IX force schools to have girl's teams or just to fund them equally if there is enough interest in having one? I'll cover boys and girls on the same team at the end.
4. That is my reason for my response #2 and, trust me, I'm with you on this: I see no reason for "educational money" to fund any extracurricular sports, but since it does, that's why Title IX exists
5. See above
To be honest, Abs, I thought your answer was going to have something to do with transgender players. Mea culpa.
"Boys and girls together..."
If a girl wants to play on the boy's team, she has to be capable of training and playing at the same level. At the same time. if a boy wants to play on a girl's team, I don't want to hear any parents bitching about it.
This is usually where the whole transgender thing comes up, so let me say this: Either go co-ed all the way or accept the facts of DNA.
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Post by Prometheus on May 18, 2021 4:13:40 GMT
And I still think that YOU don't understand how economics work at all... and I'm more of a von Mises guy.
You completely have me in the education, global experiences and theory department. I'll totally give you that.
But my only claim is that in my own small way, I've repeatedly done what many expert economists and politicians insist just isn't possible. And I disagree totally.
My wife was just watching yet another 'Leftist' Netflix documentary type series called Explained........one was on college loans and the other on retirement......and for the first time she heard that stat about the typical American not being able to come up with $400 in an emergency. Her only response was "WTH are most people thinking and doing?"
And all of the irresponsible and ridiculous 'victims' they provide in these pieces doesn't help much. $80,000 in a graduate degree? And you took it all out in loans? Then ignored how the interest and penalties add up for non-compliance? Sorry, aren't these people supposed to be the smarter and more educated types?
They even had Illhan Omar insisting that student loans absolutely held her back from earlier success........ while completely glossing over the fact that she'd had 3 children before even graduating? Oh, yeah.......she's a real Brainiac.
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2. Economies of scale, Abs. Just because something works at the individual level doesn't mean it will work on a larger scale. TBH, I used to think as you do... because I hated Econ classes and didn't pay attention as well as I should have. Then I went back and started reading up on the subject. Debt actually has its place in making the economy run correctly. It's really about how you manage it.
3. FOMO... keeping up with the Joneses... the list goes on....
4. You know that I'm not at all about forgiving student debt
5. Don't get me started on that POS
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Post by Prometheus on May 18, 2021 4:16:28 GMT
Yeah, Abbey. He was. Based on this list - and this list alone - Trump was the worst sort of "conservative" and an obvious sub-par human being.
Then how was it he was able to deliver on several things that 'real' conservatives have failed on for decades? Even Ronnie Reagan is looking pale in comparison at this point.
Leave all of the obnoxious tweets and childish taunts he engaged in out of it. How is it so many are displeased with the current GOP? And favored Donnie over them?
Maybe even limit it to just the black and brown people that voted for him in 2020 compared to any other GOP candidate in well over 50 years?
What items on this list of 20 did he "deliver on"?
And please don't talk about the economy that he inherited and took credit for at his inauguration.
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Post by Prometheus on May 18, 2021 4:20:33 GMT
As far as being in the pockets of corporations? Yup. Vote them out. "Sep 04, 2020 · A total of 781 people have been arrested as a result of the Portland demonstrations, according to statistics gathered in a federal analysis. " "Oct 30, 2020 · An analysis of nearly 100 arrest records found nearly 50% of people arrested during Seattle protests were white." "Jun 01, 2020 · MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — More than 480 people were arrested in the Twin Cities over the weekend as authorities initiated a combined response to the unrest following the death of George Floyd in police custody."
I can find more if you want.
My opinion on being socially liberal and fiscally conservative is in the tiny minority now in the US. I'm not voting anyone out at this point........whoever offers the most in freebies get elected and re-elected.
I found more, too! ............
Charges dropped against protesters who demonstrated ... richmond.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/... May 12, 2021 · Misdemeanor charges of entering property with the intent to damage and dumping trash on private property were withdrawn against Nancy Nguyen and seven others who participated in the Sept. 8 protest...
Most charges against George Floyd protesters dropped ... www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/17/... Apr 17, 2021 · The vast majority of citations and charges against George Floyd protesters were ultimately dropped, dismissed or otherwise not filed,
Criminal charges against dozens of Portland protesters droppedwww.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/criminal... Jul 10, 2020 · KGW analysis of police and court records shows the Multnomah County District Attorney’s office dropped charges against at least 59 of the roughly 400 protesters arrested since mass demonstrations
Cities Drop Most Charges Against BLM Protesters as Cops ... truthout.org/articles/cities-drop-most... Apr 19, 2021 · Cities Drop Most Charges Against BLM Protesters as Cops Fail to Provide Evidence. Portland police officers search for stragglers after dispersing a protest against the killing of Daunte Wright on April 12, 2021, in Portland, Oregon. At least 90 percent of charges against Black Lives Matter protesters in a dozen jurisdictions have been dropped, dismissed or not filed,
And I certainly hope you noted that I was all for punishing the white people arrested in Seattle........or, if we're dismissing all these charges, then let's give the same treatment to the Jan 6 people.
Especially since it seems like a lot of it was choreographed by insiders and posers.
Are you seriously trying to equate "dumping trash" with sedition?
"Especially since it seems like a lot of it was choreographed by insiders and posers."
Are you talking about Seattle or DC?
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Post by Prometheus on May 18, 2021 4:32:14 GMT
Yup. And, based on who are the people lobbying congress (and the congress members fighting against environmental bills), I'd say the record bears out my belief. How do you get people to invest in business without a stock market of some sort? I'm sure there's something we can agree on there........after getting rid of the unions and corporations. Sole proprietorship and partnership should be the only forms of business ownership... with a little "limited liability" tossed in. What's the matter? I thought you liked capitalism.
You might have a point if the latest wave of leftism wasn't blatantly using the DNR, EPA and other agencies to deprive people of their freedoms and property rights. I was likely as shocked as anyone to discover Nixon established the EPA to begin with. But reasonable moderation in all things, right?
Hmmmm...... isn't stock ownership just another form of voluntary partnership/ownership? It's certainly a great way to raise the funds to invest and expand a business.
1. Are those damn lefties trying to claim land by imminent domain to build their damn wall? Those fuckers!
2. It depends on the type of stock but it's not really a partnership either way. Partnership has more to do with liability and equity.
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But I just took it as you being funny.