ROE V WADE

[merh]

[merh]

Charlie Hebdo

[abbey1227]

May 6, 2022 23:05:41 GMT Prometheus said:

<abbr title="May 6, 2022 18:05:41 GMT -5" class="o-timestamp time" data-timestamp="1651878341000">May 6, 2022 18:05:41 GMT -5</abbr> Prometheus said:

And if I hear the phrase "Through no fault of their own" one more time, I'm gonna vomit.

Was the grasshopper not at fault after mocking the ant?

We were discussing renting/owning the other day and I totally understand when and why many would opt for renting. I do. But then when they get much older and suddenly rent is still due......who's fault is that? Did they not plan far enough in advance to provide for that rent always being due? Am I too harsh for pointing that out?

1. What should bother you is that so many children are living below 130% of the poverty line. Quick note: for a 3-person family that's a total income of about $26,600/year.

2. If we're in the produce section of the supermarket and you take the last orange, then I have no oranges through no fault of my own.

3. And a homeowner's mortgage is due for however many years. And those tax bills are never going away... or the homeowner's insurance bills... or the car payments because you bought the house so far away from where you work you need to drive everywhere. Then there's the car insurance and gas. And you as the homeowner are responsible for all of your own maintenance: a new water heater every decade or so; a new roof every 20 to 30 years. Look at those cracks in the driveway. Looks like a couple of boards on the deck need replacing and the whole thing needs resealing. Is your lawnmower in need of replacement? No? Then get out there and cut that grass, you lazy fucker. Damn those tree branches are getting awfully close to the upstairs windows. Speaking of which, the heating bill has been going up. It might be time for some window replacements. Black mold? Whaddaya mean, "black mold?" Termites? Fumigation?

Yeah. Home ownership is soooo much cheaper.....

1. WHY should it bother me? NOT MY kids. Not my decision. And I haven't been given dictatorial powers over others as of yet. I blame the people who skipped Sex Ed or just plain don't care about their own kids.

2. Again.....if you're a renter, and have no plans to stop being a renter (Your choice) then you'd better come up with a plan to pay for rent into the future.

3. True.......but it does end at some point ....usually 30 years or less. You can also opt out buy Selling.

Very true on the taxes.......something to plan on into the future. Which is another reason people like me want to hold the line on all the new spending......y'know, like funding rent controls and forgiving college loans.

I wouldn't own a home more than 15-20 from my work......but I have known people who drive an hour or more. Their choice.

Lazy F'er? THAT's pretty much how the Govt looks at it. Get out there and cut that lawn or ELSE! You'll end up with the govt sending someone to cut it and a $Fine/Bill is soon to follow. Never mind that 'thru no fault of their own' then, huh?

It's not a matter of cheaper, imo. It's a matter of a more predictable and stable cost of living. I know what my payment is this year and all the years to follow until it's paid for. I can easily plan for it.

Even my power bill is something I opt for what they call Budget Billing. They predict their costs for the entire year and send me a bill of the same amount each month. No Highs or Lows for me.

[abbey1227]

May 7, 2022 12:35:31 GMT merh said:

Charlie Hebdo

Maybe it's time we started killing more of our own people?

[abbey1227]

May 6, 2022 22:23:35 GMT merh said:

Sounds a bit like the same tactics that made Domestic Abuse cause for loss of a person's 2nd Amendment rights.   

[merh]

May 7, 2022 12:58:51 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 6, 2022 22:23:35 GMT merh said:

Sounds a bit like the same tactics that made Domestic Abuse cause for loss of a person's 2nd Amendment rights.   

Because it's a great idea to let a person who abuses another human being to have a gun?
Allows them to kill their victim quicker?

[abbey1227]

May 7, 2022 13:17:26 GMT merh said:

Because it's a great idea to let a person who abuses another human being to have a gun?
Allows them to kill their victim quicker?

1. Criminals in the US have no real problem getting a gun if they want one.

2. Why would a loud argument between 2 people end up with one of them losing their gun rights? especially if a gun was never pulled or threatened to be used?

Plenty of the ladies these days end up dead despite all of the newer laws and restrictions. Keep poking the bear..........see where that goes.

[merh]

slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/ben-franklin-american-instructor-textbook-abortion-recipe.html

Ben Franklin Put an Abortion Recipe in His Math Textbook
To colonial Americans, termination was as normal as the ABCs and 123s.
BY MOLLY FARRELL
MAY 05, 202210:54 AM

currentpub.com/2022/05/06/is-abortion-deeply-rooted-in-american-history/

Is abortion “deeply rooted” in American history?
John Fea | May 6, 2022

In his leaked decision overturning Roe v. Wade, Samuel Alito wrote, “The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted into the Nation’s history and tradition.” Is this true? It is hard to define what “deeply rooted” means, but abortion was certainly practiced and discussed in early American history.

Let’s begin with English professor Molly Farrell‘s piece at Slate. It is titled “Ben Franklin Put an Abortion Recipe in His Math Textbook.” Here is a taste:

The year was 1748, the place was Philadelphia, and the book was The Instructor, a popular British manual for everything from arithmetic to letter-writing to caring for horses’ hooves. Benjamin Franklin had set himself to adapting it for the American colonies.

Though Franklin already had a long and successful career by this point, he needed to find a way to convince colonial book-buyers—who for the most part didn’t even formally study arithmetic—that his version of George Fisher’s textbook was worth the investment. Franklin made all sorts of changes throughout the book, from place names to inserting colonial histories, but he made one really big change: adding John Tennent’s The Poor Planter’s Physician to the end. Tennent was a Virginia doctor whose medical pamphlet had first appeared in 1734.* By appending it to The Instructor (replacing a treatise on farriery) Franklin hoped to distinguish the book from its London ancestor. Franklin advertised that his edition was “the whole better adapted to these American Colonies, than any other book of the like kind.” In the preface he goes on to specifically mention his swapping out of sections, insisting that “in the British Edition of this Book, there were many Things of little or no Use in these Parts of the World: In this Edition those Things are omitted, and in their Room many other Matters inserted, more immediately useful to us Americans.” One of those useful “Matters” was a how-to on at-home abortion, made available to anyone who wanted a book that could teach the ABCs and 123s.

In this week’s leaked draft of a Supreme Court opinion overturning Roe v. Wade, Justice Samuel Alito wrote, “The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions.” Yet abortion was so “deeply rooted” in colonial America that one of our nation’s most influential architects went out of his way to insert it into the most widely and enduringly read and reprinted math textbook of the colonial Americas—and he received so little pushback or outcry for the inclusion that historians have barely noticed it is there. Abortion was simply a part of life, as much as reading, writing, and arithmetic.

Franklin wasn’t even the first issuer of a math textbook on either side of the Atlantic to include among its materials a recipe for abortion, though his book certainly had the most reliable and explicit one. William Mather’s 1699 Young Man’s Companion also has one (the London book would inspire the very first arithmetic book to be printed in the colonies in 1705, by Franklin’s old boss Andrew Bradford). In Mather’s book, though, the recipe was short, misleading, and ineffective. It includes an entry for “Terms provoked,” a heading also found under comparable medical books with abortifacient concoctions (where the “term,” or period, needs “provoking”). Unfortunately for Mather’s readers, however, he prescribes “stinking Arach,” or goosefoot, which is an emmenagogue (an agent to stimulate or regulate menstruation) but not a reliable abortifacient. He also makes the even more dubious suggestion to “take a draught of White wine” under a full moon.

Read the rest here.

I would also encourage interested readers to take a look at historian Cornelia Hughes Dayton‘s essay, “Taking the Trade: Abortion and Gender Relations in an Eighteenth-Century New England Village.” J.L. Bell discusses this piece at Boston 1775. Here is a state of that post:

In 1991 Prof. Cornelia Hughes Dayton published a paper titled “Taking the Trade: Abortion and Gender Relations in an Eighteenth-Century New England Village” in the William and Mary Quarterly.

In 2007 students at the University of Connecticut created this website exploring the same case, using Dayton’s analysis, transcriptions, photographs of the sites involved, and more. (This may have grown from the similar work of Prof. Larry Cebula or it may have been a parallel effort.)

The “Taking the Trade” paper and website examine a dispute in colonial Connecticut. In 1742, Sarah Grosvenor of Pomfret ended an unwanted pregnancy by inducing a miscarriage, having used both medicinal and surgical means, but she died two months later.

Grosvenor’s family complained about the man who had impregnated her, Amasa Sessions. Many colonial New England men in that situation married their sexual partners and went on to have more children, however grudging the partnership was. In contrast, Sessions pressed Grosvenor to take an abortifacient provided by Dr. John Hallowell of Killingley.

So Ben Franklin & others accepted abortion as normal

[abbey1227]

May 7, 2022 13:37:24 GMT merh said:

So Ben Franklin & others accepted abortion as normal

Oh? Are we following a buncha oldd racist white men's example now?  

Apparently Ben got around quite a bit......so it makes sense he'd be prepared.

[fetzerzinfandel]

May 7, 2022 6:27:41 GMT merh said:

Both MAGA and the Bernie bros told us we were being dramatic. 

[merh]

May 7, 2022 13:47:34 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 7, 2022 13:37:24 GMT merh said:

So Ben Franklin & others accepted abortion as normal

Oh? Are we following a buncha oldd racist white men's example now?  

Apparently Ben got around quite a bit......so it makes sense he'd be prepared.

So cool Justice Alito claims abortion didn't exist in America by quoting a witch hunter from the 1600s, but ignore one of the founding fathers putting a recipe for how to end a pregnancy in a book of helpful info?

Or this section?

The “Taking the Trade” paper and website examine a dispute in colonial Connecticut. In 1742, Sarah Grosvenor of Pomfret ended an unwanted pregnancy by inducing a miscarriage, having used both medicinal and surgical means, but she died two months later.

Grosvenor’s family complained about the man who had impregnated her, Amasa Sessions. Many colonial New England men in that situation married their sexual partners and went on to have more children, however grudging the partnership was. In contrast, Sessions pressed Grosvenor to take an abortifacient provided by Dr. John Hallowell of Killingley.

So it was a common enough practice back then.

[merh]

May 7, 2022 13:20:31 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 7, 2022 13:17:26 GMT merh said:

Because it's a great idea to let a person who abuses another human being to have a gun?
Allows them to kill their victim quicker?

1. Criminals in the US have no real problem getting a gun if they want one.

2. Why would a loud argument between 2 people end up with one of them losing their gun rights? especially if a gun was never pulled or threatened to be used?

Plenty of the ladies these days end up dead despite all of the newer laws and restrictions. Keep poking the bear..........see where that goes.

So a man having the right to have a boom stick has more of a right than a woman has to live?

A man proves he has violent tendencies like some of my clients so we can take away his right to vote but not his guns! Lock him away from society in prison, but let him keep his guns!

[abbey1227]

May 7, 2022 22:26:01 GMT merh said:

So it was a common enough practice back then.

So was slavery and witch burning    

[abbey1227]

May 7, 2022 22:30:01 GMT merh said:

So a man having the right to have a boom stick has more of a right than a woman has to live?

A man proves he has violent tendencies like some of my clients so we can take away his right to vote but not his guns! Lock him away from society in prison, but let him keep his guns!

If you feel that you have the right to remove my rights........then I feel I have every right to kill you. How bout dat?

And then you give them their vote back because statistically you know it favors your party.

Keep ignoring the Fact that criminals have no problems getting guns......... or anything else they want. ......often even in prison.

[abbey1227]

May 7, 2022 14:11:02 GMT fetzerzinfandel said:

May 7, 2022 6:27:41 GMT merh said:

Both MAGA and the Bernie bros told us we were being dramatic. 

We were told the covid lock down was just gonna be 2-3 weeks.  

Enjoy your chain fitting

[Prometheus]

May 7, 2022 12:56:02 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 6, 2022 23:05:41 GMT Prometheus said:

<abbr title="May 6, 2022 18:05:41 GMT -5" class="o-timestamp time" data-timestamp="1651878341000">May 6, 2022 18:05:41 GMT -5</abbr> Prometheus said:

And if I hear the phrase "Through no fault of their own" one more time, I'm gonna vomit.

Was the grasshopper not at fault after mocking the ant?

We were discussing renting/owning the other day and I totally understand when and why many would opt for renting. I do. But then when they get much older and suddenly rent is still due......who's fault is that? Did they not plan far enough in advance to provide for that rent always being due? Am I too harsh for pointing that out?

1. What should bother you is that so many children are living below 130% of the poverty line. Quick note: for a 3-person family that's a total income of about $26,600/year.

2. If we're in the produce section of the supermarket and you take the last orange, then I have no oranges through no fault of my own.

3. And a homeowner's mortgage is due for however many years. And those tax bills are never going away... or the homeowner's insurance bills... or the car payments because you bought the house so far away from where you work you need to drive everywhere. Then there's the car insurance and gas. And you as the homeowner are responsible for all of your own maintenance: a new water heater every decade or so; a new roof every 20 to 30 years. Look at those cracks in the driveway. Looks like a couple of boards on the deck need replacing and the whole thing needs resealing. Is your lawnmower in need of replacement? No? Then get out there and cut that grass, you lazy fucker. Damn those tree branches are getting awfully close to the upstairs windows. Speaking of which, the heating bill has been going up. It might be time for some window replacements. Black mold? Whaddaya mean, "black mold?" Termites? Fumigation?

Yeah. Home ownership is soooo much cheaper.....

1. WHY should it bother me? NOT MY kids. Not my decision. And I haven't been given dictatorial powers over others as of yet. I blame the people who skipped Sex Ed or just plain don't care about their own kids.

2. Again.....if you're a renter, and have no plans to stop being a renter (Your choice) then you'd better come up with a plan to pay for rent into the future.

3. True.......but it does end at some point ....usually 30 years or less. You can also opt out buy Selling.

Very true on the taxes.......something to plan on into the future. Which is another reason people like me want to hold the line on all the new spending......y'know, like funding rent controls and forgiving college loans.

I wouldn't own a home more than 15-20 from my work......but I have known people who drive an hour or more. Their choice.

Lazy F'er? THAT's pretty much how the Govt looks at it. Get out there and cut that lawn or ELSE! You'll end up with the govt sending someone to cut it and a $Fine/Bill is soon to follow. Never mind that 'thru no fault of their own' then, huh?

It's not a matter of cheaper, imo. It's a matter of a more predictable and stable cost of living. I know what my payment is this year and all the years to follow until it's paid for. I can easily plan for it.

Even my power bill is something I opt for what they call Budget Billing. They predict their costs for the entire year and send me a bill of the same amount each month. No Highs or Lows for me.

1. And yet you constantly support politicians trying to take away decision power...

2. And home owners had better plan for their future. What's the fucking difference

3. Seriously?> Point by point rather than understanding the concept as a whole?

[merh]

May 8, 2022 1:08:08 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 7, 2022 22:30:01 GMT merh said:

So a man having the right to have a boom stick has more of a right than a woman has to live?

A man proves he has violent tendencies like some of my clients so we can take away his right to vote but not his guns! Lock him away from society in prison, but let him keep his guns!

If you feel that you have the right to remove my rights........then I feel I have every right to kill you. How bout dat?

And then you give them their vote back because statistically you know it favors your party.

Keep ignoring the Fact that criminals have no problems getting guns......... or anything else they want. ......often even in prison.

You say a majority of gun owners are responsible, yet when someone proves himself or herself irresponsible, fuck it, they still MUST keep their guns?

Sorry.
If YOU do something to cause society to question your ability to handle a weapon, it is YOURSELF & not society removing your rights. Like drunk driving. Get pulled over testing positive while driving, you are possibly facing some sort of restrictions on driving.

[fetzerzinfandel]

May 8, 2022 1:09:03 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 7, 2022 14:11:02 GMT fetzerzinfandel said:

Both MAGA and the Bernie bros told us we were being dramatic. 

We were told the covid lock down was just gonna be 2-3 weeks.  

Enjoy your chain fitting

Were you? By whom? The don?
Meanwhile: Is my statement false?

[abbey1227]

May 8, 2022 9:32:20 GMT merh said:

May 8, 2022 1:08:08 GMT abbey1227 said:

You say a majority of gun owners are responsible, yet when someone proves himself or herself irresponsible, fuck it, they still MUST keep their guns?

Sorry.
If YOU do something to cause society to question your ability to handle a weapon, it is YOURSELF & not society removing your rights. Like drunk driving. Get pulled over testing positive while driving, you are possibly facing some sort of restrictions on driving.

This is hilarious.

You claim people are irresponsible and should have their gun rights removed.........but the irresponsible that get pregnant should have others take care of them and provide them their 'rights' to abortion? How many rights do you know of that end up costing other people money?

Nonsense. This crappy society keeps declining and changing their definitions. They're rewarding criminals and turning law abiders into criminals.

[abbey1227]

May 8, 2022 12:46:55 GMT fetzerzinfandel said:

May 8, 2022 1:09:03 GMT abbey1227 said:

We were told the covid lock down was just gonna be 2-3 weeks.  

Enjoy your chain fitting

Were you? By whom? The don?
Meanwhile: Is my statement false?

That was the original plea. Do you remember differently? I knew it was BS all along.

Your statement isn't false. Do you believe some people haven't been extremely dramatic since 2016?