ROE V WADE

[fetzerzinfandel]

May 8, 2022 13:19:51 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 8, 2022 12:46:55 GMT fetzerzinfandel said:

Were you? By whom? The don?
Meanwhile: Is my statement false?

That was the original plea. Do you remember differently? I knew it was BS all along.

Your statement isn't false. Do you believe some people haven't been extremely dramatic since 2016?

"The original plea". So.. not what you were told. Yawn. This is why talking to you is such a waste. You CONSTANTLY move the goal posts. CONSTANTLY.

[abbey1227]

May 8, 2022 13:48:29 GMT fetzerzinfandel said:

May 8, 2022 13:19:51 GMT abbey1227 said:

That was the original plea. Do you remember differently? I knew it was BS all along.

Your statement isn't false. Do you believe some people haven't been extremely dramatic since 2016?

"The original plea". So.. not what you were told. Yawn. This is why talking to you is such a waste. You CONSTANTLY move the goal posts. CONSTANTLY.

WE were told the shutdown would be a mere 2-3 weeks.

It wasn't a 'Until we tell you different' scenario.

Who moved those goal posts? Fauci & Co

Hey, how many more waves will we see? As if THAT wasn't predicted all along, too   

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May 6, 2022 13:40:47 GMT fetzerzinfandel said:

Please God. Hillary go away.

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May 6, 2022 12:40:44 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 6, 2022 10:25:02 GMT Prometheus said:

It might sound honorable to you but it sounds fucking stupid to me.

But then I remember that you have a wife who makes about 3 times what you make and you have no kids. I suppose it's easy for you to make the decision to shirk your responsibility when you have none.

I skipped the opportunity to collect long before we hooked up.     It's just not something I'd see myself doing.

Absolutely having no kids makes it much easier. Have I not been pointing that out for years? I would just ask you where do so many people get off bringing children into the world and then needing so much assistance? It's like 2/3rds or more of kids in the US are receiving SNAP now?

And if I hear the phrase "Through no fault of their own" one more time, I'm gonna vomit.

Was the grasshopper not at fault after mocking the ant?

We were discussing renting/owning the other day and I totally understand when and why many would opt for renting. I do. But then when they get much older and suddenly rent is still due......who's fault is that? Did they not plan far enough in advance to provide for that rent always being due? Am I too harsh for pointing that out?

Two thirds seems about right.

Roe vs wade is gonna go, what could go wrong!!!

[fetzerzinfandel]

May 8, 2022 15:13:01 GMT @shadyvsesham said:

May 6, 2022 13:40:47 GMT fetzerzinfandel said:

Please God. Hillary go away.

She's not wrong.

[abbey1227]

May 8, 2022 15:13:39 GMT @shadyvsesham said:

Two thirds seems about right.

Roe vs wade is gonna go, what could go wrong!!!

It could inconvenience many women in several states........but several more, if not the majority of states will retain abortion facilities.

Maybe the gun rights people should ask these people "What's the big deal with different states having different rules?"

[abbey1227]

May 8, 2022 15:32:53 GMT fetzerzinfandel said:

May 8, 2022 15:13:01 GMT @shadyvsesham said:

She's not wrong.

That's cuz she's projecting from her own internal gauge.

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May 8, 2022 15:13:01 GMT @shadyvsesham said:

May 6, 2022 13:40:47 GMT fetzerzinfandel said:

Please God. Hillary go away.

I feel the same about Bernie.

But his voters like him so he gets to stay.

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[abbey1227]

May 8, 2022 22:40:12 GMT merh said:

The pendulum keeps swinging

The people doing the forcing keep switching

Meanwhile the Establishment pretty much remains the same

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reason.com/volokh/2020/08/15/protests-outside-peoples-homes-residential-picketing-and-the-first-amendment/

Protests Outside People's Homes (Residential Picketing) and the First Amendment
They can be banned, so long as the ban is content-neutral, and so long as people remain free to generally march through the neighborhood (as opposed to protesting right outside the target's home).
EUGENE VOLOKH | 8.15.2020 4:44 PM

We've heard a good deal in recent years about demonstrations outside people's homes. Is this sort of targeted residential picketing protected by the First Amendment?

The short answer: No, but any restrictions on such picketing have to be imposed through content-neutral statutes or ordinances (or, in some situations, injunctions); and they have to leave people free to demonstrate in the same neighborhood:

In Carey v. Brown (1980), the Court struck down a ban on residential picketing that had an exemption for labor picketing.
In Frisby v. Schultz (1988), the Court upheld a ban that had no exemption, because it was content-neutral and narrowly tailored to serving an important interest in protecting residential privacy, and because "General marching through residential neighborhoods, or even walking a route in front of an entire block of houses" remained allowed.
In Madsen v. Women's Health Center, Inc. (1994), the Court struck down an injunction that barred residential picketing within 300 feet of clinic employees' homes, because it was too broad.
Carey involved a pro-busing group picketing the home of a mayor, while Frisby and Madsen involved anti-abortion groups picketing the homes of clinic employees. Indeed, most of the residential picketing cases I've seen have involved anti-abortion protesters; at least in the 1980s and 1990s, such residential picketing seemed to be a favored tactic of at least some parts of that movement.

But the Court of course didn't draw distinctions based on the content of the speech or based on whether the picketing was aimed at a public official. For instance, Justice Scalia, who had often faulted the Court in free speech cases where he thought anti-abortion speech was being treated unfairly, was in the majority in Frisby; Justices Brennan and Marshall, strong supporters of abortion rights, dissented; none of them seemed swayed by the speakers' ideology. Rather, as I note above, the Court expressly forbade such distinctions.

So a city or a state could ban picketing or allow it. But the rules would apply equally to anti-racism protesters, antifa protesters, anti-abortion protesters, alt.right protesters, and any other protesters.

To my knowledge, residential picketing is banned on a statewide basis only in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, and Minnesota, though the statutes operate somewhat differently. (The Arizona ban is limited to picketing conducted "with intent to harass, annoy or alarm"; the Minnesota law allows injunctions to be issued based on targeted residential picketing that happens "on more than one occasion," rather than banning such picketing outright.) But various cities ban it as well.


Finally, even when there is no ordinance banning residential picketing, particular kinds of behavior while picketing—especially loud noise at night (cf. the Washington protest outside the Postmaster General's home)—may be banned by content-neutral restrictions. See Kovacs v. Cooper (1949). Of course, those restrictions must be enforced in a content-neutral manner as well: A city can't deliberately ignore loud protests that express certain views but then punish loud protests that ignore others.

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The Salt Lake Tribune
Gov. Cox says he opposes abortion restrictions beyond Utah’s trigger law
Gov. Spencer Cox said the state should focus on prevention and support, not punishment.

(Laura Seitz | Pool) Gov. Spencer Cox speaks during the PBS Utah governor's monthly news conference at the Eccles Broadcast Center in Salt Lake City on Thursday, April 21, 2022. Cox said Tuesday, May 10, that Utah's current laws to restrict abortion would be sufficient if the Supreme Court were to overturn Roe v. Wade.

By Bryan Schott | May 11, 2022, 5:00 a.m.
Inspired by a leaked draft Supreme Court opinion that suggests the justices have enough votes to overturn Roe v. Wade, some Republican politicians across the country are working to pass severe restrictions on abortion, but Utah Gov. Spencer Cox says he is not one of them.

“I’m very pleased with the law that’s on the books,” Cox said during a Tuesday news conference. The governor’s office later clarified that Cox was referring to Utah’s 2020 trigger law.

If Roe v. Wade is reversed, the decision to regulate abortion will return to individual states. That prospect has lawmakers in several states racing to enact new restrictions or expand access to abortion, depending on which party is in control. Other states, like Utah, already have “trigger laws,” which will go into effect if Roe is reversed.

In 2019, Utah lawmakers passed a law banning abortions after 18 weeks of pregnancy. The following year, lawmakers went a step further and approved a near-total ban on abortion, with exceptions for rape, incest and the mother’s health. A complete reversal of Roe would trigger the more restrictive law, while a narrower ruling from the Supreme Court could make the 18-week ban enforceable.

Several states still have anti-abortion measures from before Roe that criminalize abortion, with some proposals being tossed around by Republicans would make abortions a felony punishable by prison time. Missouri Republicans are considering a bill to ban women from traveling out of state for abortions, Politico reported. Cox says that would be a bridge too far.

“I don’t think we should penalize women at all for anything,” Cox said.

Cox says if, as expected, Roe is reversed, the state should explore ways to embrace the concept of “pro-life.”

“Our focus has to be on improving the lives of women in our state. If you care about life, that means all life, not just life in the womb,” Cox said.

The governor said the state should focus on providing more opportunities for mothers and children, increasing support for adoption and foster families and working to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

“If we get to the point where a woman needs an abortion, then something has failed along the way,” Cox said.

But it’s not just a focus on women that Cox would like to see, leaning on basic biology to make his point.

“It takes two to make a baby, and too often, that burden falls disproportionately on the mother and not on the father. We need to hold men responsible,” Cox said.

[abbey1227]

May 11, 2022 18:57:03 GMT merh said:

you're a Democrat..........surely you can distinguish between a lie and what those statements are?

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May 12, 2022 1:22:15 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 11, 2022 18:57:03 GMT merh said:

you're a Democrat..........surely you can distinguish between a lie and what those statements are?

Lying through one's teeth to land the job.

[abbey1227]

May 12, 2022 3:35:52 GMT merh said:

May 12, 2022 1:22:15 GMT abbey1227 said:

you're a Democrat..........surely you can distinguish between a lie and what those statements are?

Lying through one's teeth to land the job.

Maybe they're really Democrats, too?

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