Community Organizers vs Entreprenuers

[merh]

[merh]

Jan 4, 2023 12:49:31 GMT abbey1227 said:

Jan 4, 2023 12:43:21 GMT merh said:

So the people who get killed by those falling bullets are crisis actors?

No one has ever been killed by a bullet on the way back?


What lengths will they go to to take your guns from you!?!!?!!

/startswithabang/2017/02/15/firing-a-gun-into-the-air-can-kill-someone/?sh=1e2848a63d22

1. Do you think I was calling BS on gunshot wounds from firing guns in the air?

2. Do you think I'm arguing for the right of every irresponsible idiot that wants to fire a gun into the air?

You don't want reasonable gun control laws saying gun owners are responsible when they obviously arent

[abbey1227]

Jan 4, 2023 20:20:24 GMT merh said:

Jan 4, 2023 12:49:31 GMT abbey1227 said:

1. Do you think I was calling BS on gunshot wounds from firing guns in the air?

2. Do you think I'm arguing for the right of every irresponsible idiot that wants to fire a gun into the air?

You don't want reasonable gun control laws saying gun owners are responsible when they obviously arent

There are already laws against such things. You figure 10 more will suddenly make people behave better?

[Prometheus]

Jan 4, 2023 20:20:24 GMT merh said:

Jan 4, 2023 12:49:31 GMT abbey1227 said:

1. Do you think I was calling BS on gunshot wounds from firing guns in the air?

2. Do you think I'm arguing for the right of every irresponsible idiot that wants to fire a gun into the air?

You don't want reasonable gun control laws saying gun owners are responsible when they obviously arent

You can make a law stating safety guidelines.

You can include the penalties for not following the guidelines.

You cannot force anyone to follow them any more than that. An idiot is going to be an idiot whether it gets him a $5,000 fine and 6 months in jail or a $100,000 fine and 5 years in jail.

The penalties are for those folks who aren't quite so bright but still smart enough to know they don't want to pay the fine or go to jail no matter what.

Smart gun owners already followed the guidelines before they were laws.

That said, adding laws that start making it impossible for even the smart owners to follow is an infringement of the right set out in the Second Amendment.

[merh]

Twitter said to have suffered data breach as hackers expose 235 million users' information
Data dump contains users' names, e-mail addresses, screen names, number of followers and phone numbers
Wednesday's cyber security breach at Twitter is the second in less than a month. Reuters
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Alvin R Cabral
Jan 04, 2023

A Twitter database containing about 235 million users has been exposed on an online hacker forum in what is shaping to be one of the biggest data leaks yet recorded, according to a cyber intelligence company.

The data dump contains users' names, e-mail addresses, screen names, number of followers and the dates of the creation of their accounts, as well as some phone numbers, Israel-based Hudson Rock said on Wednesday.

The exposure of the unique records will "unfortunately lead to a lot of hacking, targeted phishing and doxxing", it said in a tweet. Doxxing is the act of revealing actual information of an individual or organisation online.

Industry publication CyberNews was the first to report the news, which said the size of the database involved was about 63GB.

It also said the new leak was by the group that posted an advertisement on the same online forum selling the information of about 400 million Twitter users in early December. These included handles, user names, e-mails and phone numbers, with asking prices of up to $200,000.

Hudson Rock did not name the online forum that hosted Wednesday's data dump, but it has been reported that the forum that hosted the December ad was a site called Breached, which has been known to regularly post and sell stolen data.

"This is one of the most significant leaks ever," Hudson Rock said. It is also unclear if any passwords have been exposed, and the possibility of the data having been shared privately has not been ruled out.

A user replying to Hudson Rock's tweet directed a question at Twitter chief executive Elon Musk, asking whether the breach was real. Mr Musk or Twitter has yet to respond as of posting time.

The breach is the latest in a string of cybersecurity problems the microblogging platform has faced in the past year, and the second in less than a month.

If confirmed by Twitter, this would rank among the top 15 biggest data breaches yet, if it was included in the rankings of cybersecurity company UpGuard.


It will not, however, exceed a breach that Twitter suffered in 2018, which stemmed from a password bug that exposed the accounts of about 330 million users.

In August, Twitter confirmed a data breach that exposed the information of about 5.4 million of its users in July, citing a vulnerability in its software.

The hack "allowed someone to enter a phone number or e-mail address into the log-in flow in the attempt to learn if that information was tied to an existing Twitter account, and if so, which specific account", the company said at the time.

It also adds to the nagging issues at the San Francisco-based company, which has faced a tumultuous time in Mr Musk's short reign as its new owner after he bought the company for $44 billion last year.

Elon Musk has had a controversy-filled start to his Twitter ownership. Reuters
Elon Musk has had a controversy-filled start to his Twitter ownership. Reuters
Mr Musk's tenure at Twitter has been marred by controversial decisions, flip-flopping, and the firing of top executives and almost half of its workforce.


Technology companies, meanwhile, have been a favourite target of hackers due to their rich resources of user data that they can illicitly sell on the dark web. Industry majors such as Yahoo, LinkedIn and Facebook have all fallen victim in the past.

Data-breach costs in 2021 were estimated to have risen to $4.24 million from $3.86 million in 2020, according to the latest annual study from US technology company IBM.

That was the highest figure in the 17-year history of the report until it was surpassed in IBM's 2022 update, which showed that total breach costs were now at $4.35 million.

Too bad Musk fired all those people dealing with cyber security

[merh]

Jan 5, 2023 5:34:47 GMT Prometheus said:

Jan 4, 2023 20:20:24 GMT merh said:

You don't want reasonable gun control laws saying gun owners are responsible when they obviously arent

You can make a law stating safety guidelines.

You can include the penalties for not following the guidelines.

You cannot force anyone to follow them any more than that. An idiot is going to be an idiot whether it gets him a $5,000 fine and 6 months in jail or a $100,000 fine and 5 years in jail.

The penalties are for those folks who aren't quite so bright but still smart enough to know they don't want to pay the fine or go to jail no matter what.

Smart gun owners already followed the guidelines before they were laws.

That said, adding laws that start making it impossible for even the smart owners to follow is an infringement of the right set out in the Second Amendment.

People Can Now Carry Guns Without A License In Half Of America's States
Roque Planas
Sun, January 1, 2023 at 2:45 AM PST·5 min read
Alabamians woke up Sunday with the right to carry a gun without a license.

The change, implemented by a state law passed last year, marked a major milestone: half of America’s 50 states now allow people to carry handguns without first seeking a permit.

Thirteen years ago, only two states — Vermont and Alaska — allowed its residents the unfettered right to carry a gun, relying on the Constitution’s Second Amendment as a blanket permit for all.

Since 2010, however, nearly two dozen states have followed suit, with 11 of them passing permitless carry laws in the last three years alone.

The growing movement has chalked up wins in state legislatures with remarkable speed, drawing cheers from gun rights advocates while raising fears among reformers that the changes will lead to more guns in the street — and likely more violence.

A model walks the runway during the NRA Concealed Carry Fashion Show on Friday, Aug. 25, 2017, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Half of America’s 50 states now allow people to carry handguns without first seeking a permit.

“If you are a law-abiding citizen, you should fully be able to exercise all of your constitutional rights,” said Andi Turner, legislative director for the Texas Rifle Association.“Half the states of the union are now recognizing it.”

Permit systems generally require applicants to demonstrate safe gun handling, as well as show knowledge of often-complicated gun laws and the use of lethal force.

“We’ve seen in the past decade a very concerted effort by the corporate gun lobby, especially the NRA,” said Nick Wilson, a gun violence researcher at the Center for American Progress. “It has been a very successful campaign for the gun lobby. It helps their bottom line. … But it’s very concerning to anyone worried about public safety.”

The state legal changes have dovetailed with two other trends that augur well for gun advocates. First, the COVID-19 pandemic unleashed an unprecedented surge in sales. And second, people of color and women made up a larger share of the buyers, diversifying a gun-buying public that has traditionally skewed male, white and conservative.

Gun violence has also spiked since the pandemic began, with firearm deaths jumping 20% from 2019 to 2021, according to a recent study published by JAMA Network Open.

With big-ticket gun reforms like the Assault Weapons Ban or universal background checks stalled in Congress, the spate of state laws marks a defeat for the reform movement, which views the trend as a public security threat.

Sociological studies tend to show that increases in gun ownership generally track with increases in violence.

“It’s no coincidence that in states with very permissive approaches to guns in public, you have higher rates of gun death,” said Adam Skaggs, chief counsel for the Giffords Law Center, a nonpartisan reform group.

Over the last five years, researchers have increasingly shown that loosening restrictions on carrying handguns is also associated with problems like increased gun theft and road rage incidents, according to Stanford Law professor John Donohue.

Letting more people carry guns also impedes police work, Donohue said – partly from upticks in their caseloads of gun thefts and accidental shootings and partly because ramping up the risk of getting shot reduces police efficiency.

“One of the unintended consequences of putting more guns on the street is degrading police performance,” Donohue said. “You see clearance rates for all crimes drop when states move in the direction of letting more people carry guns.”

Tallying the number of states with permitless carry laws can exaggerate their reach, Skaggs noted. They tend to be small states with rural populations, while larger, more urban states like California and New York tend to favor a more restrictive approach toward firearms.

Just over one-third of Americans live in the 25 states embracing permitless carry.

And in the same way that gun rights groups have made speedy progress with permitless carry laws in red states, liberal-dominated legislatures have pushed opposing measures.

New York tightened its gun restrictions after last year’s mass shooting in Buffalo.Delaware enacted a state-level Assault Weapons Ban last year.A ballot measure passed last year by Oregon voters requires a permit for all gun purchases and restricts magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, though the law is tied up in the courts.

But the conservative-stacked Supreme Court’s landmark decision in the New York State Rifle and Pistol Co. v. Bruen case last year has also made it harder for state legislatures to keep people from carrying handguns. The ruling struck down a New York law that required applicants for concealed handgun licenses to demonstrate a specific need for carrying a weapon.

The ruling stopped short of scrapping permits for carrying handguns altogether, however.

“The opinion made very clear that there’s nothing in the Constitution that requires permitless carry,” Skaggs said. “’Constitutional carry may sound good with its alliteration and the way it rolls off the tongue, but it’s fundamentally untrue and misleading. Guns in public have always been significantly regulated.”

Still, the Bruen decision could have major impacts on state-level gun debates, according to Mark Oliva, spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the firearm industry trade group.

“Left-leaning and right-leaning states will probably become more polarized,” Oliva said. “And you’re going to keep seeing them go to the courts and say, ‘what’s the truth here?’ And if the truth follows what came out of Bruen, they’re going to find assault weapons bans are unconstitutional, magazine restrictions are unconstitutional, age restrictions and background checks for ammunition purchases are unconstitutional.”

States with permitless carry could become the majority before the year’s end.

Virginia Delegate Marie March (R) pre-filed a constitutional carry bill in November for this year’s legislative session. However, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis wants the issue prioritized when Florida lawmakers reconvene in April.

In Nebraska, a permitless carry bill failed to break the threshold for overcoming a filibuster in the state Senate last year by two votes. Nebraska Gov. Pete Ricketts (R) plans to try again this year

So no rules whatsoever is too much for you?

[abbey1227]

Jan 5, 2023 11:03:00 GMT merh said:

Twitter said to have suffered data breach as hackers expose 235 million users' information
Data dump contains users' names, e-mail addresses, screen names, number of followers and phone numbers

Too bad Musk fired all those people dealing with cyber security

If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on a former employee pulling this stunt.

[Prometheus]

Jan 5, 2023 11:13:37 GMT merh said:

Jan 5, 2023 5:34:47 GMT Prometheus said:

You can make a law stating safety guidelines.

You can include the penalties for not following the guidelines.

You cannot force anyone to follow them any more than that. An idiot is going to be an idiot whether it gets him a $5,000 fine and 6 months in jail or a $100,000 fine and 5 years in jail.

The penalties are for those folks who aren't quite so bright but still smart enough to know they don't want to pay the fine or go to jail no matter what.

Smart gun owners already followed the guidelines before they were laws.

That said, adding laws that start making it impossible for even the smart owners to follow is an infringement of the right set out in the Second Amendment.

People Can Now Carry Guns Without A License In Half Of America's States
Roque Planas
Sun, January 1, 2023 at 2:45 AM PST·5 min read
Alabamians woke up Sunday with the right to carry a gun without a license.

The change, implemented by a state law passed last year, marked a major milestone: half of America’s 50 states now allow people to carry handguns without first seeking a permit.

Thirteen years ago, only two states — Vermont and Alaska — allowed its residents the unfettered right to carry a gun, relying on the Constitution’s Second Amendment as a blanket permit for all.

Since 2010, however, nearly two dozen states have followed suit, with 11 of them passing permitless carry laws in the last three years alone.

The growing movement has chalked up wins in state legislatures with remarkable speed, drawing cheers from gun rights advocates while raising fears among reformers that the changes will lead to more guns in the street — and likely more violence.

A model walks the runway during the NRA Concealed Carry Fashion Show on Friday, Aug. 25, 2017, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Half of America’s 50 states now allow people to carry handguns without first seeking a permit.

“If you are a law-abiding citizen, you should fully be able to exercise all of your constitutional rights,” said Andi Turner, legislative director for the Texas Rifle Association.“Half the states of the union are now recognizing it.”

Permit systems generally require applicants to demonstrate safe gun handling, as well as show knowledge of often-complicated gun laws and the use of lethal force.

“We’ve seen in the past decade a very concerted effort by the corporate gun lobby, especially the NRA,” said Nick Wilson, a gun violence researcher at the Center for American Progress. “It has been a very successful campaign for the gun lobby. It helps their bottom line. … But it’s very concerning to anyone worried about public safety.”

The state legal changes have dovetailed with two other trends that augur well for gun advocates. First, the COVID-19 pandemic unleashed an unprecedented surge in sales. And second, people of color and women made up a larger share of the buyers, diversifying a gun-buying public that has traditionally skewed male, white and conservative.

Gun violence has also spiked since the pandemic began, with firearm deaths jumping 20% from 2019 to 2021, according to a recent study published by JAMA Network Open.

With big-ticket gun reforms like the Assault Weapons Ban or universal background checks stalled in Congress, the spate of state laws marks a defeat for the reform movement, which views the trend as a public security threat.

Sociological studies tend to show that increases in gun ownership generally track with increases in violence.

“It’s no coincidence that in states with very permissive approaches to guns in public, you have higher rates of gun death,” said Adam Skaggs, chief counsel for the Giffords Law Center, a nonpartisan reform group.

Over the last five years, researchers have increasingly shown that loosening restrictions on carrying handguns is also associated with problems like increased gun theft and road rage incidents, according to Stanford Law professor John Donohue.

Letting more people carry guns also impedes police work, Donohue said – partly from upticks in their caseloads of gun thefts and accidental shootings and partly because ramping up the risk of getting shot reduces police efficiency.

“One of the unintended consequences of putting more guns on the street is degrading police performance,” Donohue said. “You see clearance rates for all crimes drop when states move in the direction of letting more people carry guns.”

Tallying the number of states with permitless carry laws can exaggerate their reach, Skaggs noted. They tend to be small states with rural populations, while larger, more urban states like California and New York tend to favor a more restrictive approach toward firearms.

Just over one-third of Americans live in the 25 states embracing permitless carry.

And in the same way that gun rights groups have made speedy progress with permitless carry laws in red states, liberal-dominated legislatures have pushed opposing measures.

New York tightened its gun restrictions after last year’s mass shooting in Buffalo.Delaware enacted a state-level Assault Weapons Ban last year.A ballot measure passed last year by Oregon voters requires a permit for all gun purchases and restricts magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, though the law is tied up in the courts.

But the conservative-stacked Supreme Court’s landmark decision in the New York State Rifle and Pistol Co. v. Bruen case last year has also made it harder for state legislatures to keep people from carrying handguns. The ruling struck down a New York law that required applicants for concealed handgun licenses to demonstrate a specific need for carrying a weapon.

The ruling stopped short of scrapping permits for carrying handguns altogether, however.

“The opinion made very clear that there’s nothing in the Constitution that requires permitless carry,” Skaggs said. “’Constitutional carry may sound good with its alliteration and the way it rolls off the tongue, but it’s fundamentally untrue and misleading. Guns in public have always been significantly regulated.”

Still, the Bruen decision could have major impacts on state-level gun debates, according to Mark Oliva, spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the firearm industry trade group.

“Left-leaning and right-leaning states will probably become more polarized,” Oliva said. “And you’re going to keep seeing them go to the courts and say, ‘what’s the truth here?’ And if the truth follows what came out of Bruen, they’re going to find assault weapons bans are unconstitutional, magazine restrictions are unconstitutional, age restrictions and background checks for ammunition purchases are unconstitutional.”

States with permitless carry could become the majority before the year’s end.

Virginia Delegate Marie March (R) pre-filed a constitutional carry bill in November for this year’s legislative session. However, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis wants the issue prioritized when Florida lawmakers reconvene in April.

In Nebraska, a permitless carry bill failed to break the threshold for overcoming a filibuster in the state Senate last year by two votes. Nebraska Gov. Pete Ricketts (R) plans to try again this year

So no rules whatsoever is too much for you?

Since I made no such comment, I cannot answer your question.

[abbey1227]

Jan 5, 2023 11:13:37 GMT merh said:

So no rules whatsoever is too much for you?

I think the 4 Rules of gun safety should just about cover it.

[merh]

[merh]

Jan 5, 2023 22:54:13 GMT Prometheus said:

Jan 5, 2023 11:13:37 GMT merh said:

So no rules whatsoever is too much for you?

Since I made no such comment, I cannot answer your question.

If the state allows people to carry without a license, what laws are being enforced?

[merh]

Jan 6, 2023 3:11:08 GMT abbey1227 said:

Jan 5, 2023 11:13:37 GMT merh said:

So no rules whatsoever is too much for you?

I think the 4 Rules of gun safety should just about cover it.

What happens if they break a rule vs a law?

Did that 6 yr old obey the law?

[Prometheus]

Jan 8, 2023 20:49:55 GMT merh said:

Jan 5, 2023 22:54:13 GMT Prometheus said:

Since I made no such comment, I cannot answer your question.

If the state allows people to carry without a license, what laws are being enforced?

The other ones

[abbey1227]

Jan 8, 2023 20:50:49 GMT merh said:

Jan 6, 2023 3:11:08 GMT abbey1227 said:

I think the 4 Rules of gun safety should just about cover it.

What happens if they break a rule vs a law?

Did that 6 yr old obey the law?

You ARE aware there are many, many other laws regarding guns and safe use?

[merh]

Jan 9, 2023 9:54:01 GMT abbey1227 said:

Jan 8, 2023 20:50:49 GMT merh said:

What happens if they break a rule vs a law?

Did that 6 yr old obey the law?

You ARE aware there are many, many other laws regarding guns and safe use?

NBC News
Virginia school district where 6-year-old allegedly shot teacher has had 3 school-related shootings in 17 months
Mirna Alsharif and Dennis Romero and Kurt Chirbas
Sat, January 7, 2023 at 10:56 PM PST

The Virginia school district where a 6-year-old is alleged to have intentionally shot a teacher Friday has had three instances of gun violence on district property in the past 17 months.

Police say a 6-year-old boy seriously injured a teacher at Richneck Elementary School when he opened fire in a classroom.

James Madison University identified the wounded teacher as Abby Zwerner, a graduate of the university. A person by the name Abigail Zwerner is listed on Richneck's website as a first-grade teacher.

University President Jonathan R. Alger said in a statement that the campus, nearly 200 miles northwest of Newport News, was “deeply saddened by the reported tragic shooting of JMU alumna Abby Zwerner.”

Newport News Public Schools and the city’s police department have declined to identify the teacher, based on privacy concerns.

Before Friday's incident, shootings at two other schools within the Newport News Public Schools system had shaken the community.

In September 2021, a 16-year-old fired several shots in a busy hallway in Heritage High School during lunchtime, injuring two 17-year-olds, NBC affiliate WAVY of Portsmouth, Virginia, reported.

The shooter was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to the station.

Less than two months later, in December, Demari Batten, 18, fatally shot Justice Dunham, 17, in the parking lot of Menchville High School after a football game against Woodside High School, also in the Newport News Public Schools system, according to WAVY.

Newport News Public Schools, which has 26,500 students, is made up of three early childhood centers, 24 elementary schools, seven middle schools and five high schools, according to the district’s website.

Parents call for action
Molly Hunter, whose three children attend an elementary school in the district, says the response from Newport News Public Schools has been insufficient.

"The response from the District has made parents like myself feel like the violence that is happening within the schools isn’t being adequately addressed," she said. "I believe that the district is working hard — they have had a difficult time staffing our schools. They seem to be stretched thin, and the violence problems are out of control."

Hunter said that she knows fixing the district's gun violence problem is easier said than done but that actions such as installing metal detectors, having adequate staffing and mental health counselors and stricter visitor policies in schools could all help.

"Also, sensible gun laws! We just need an overhaul of so many things," Hunter said. "Parents like myself are tired and scared but also ready to fight for safety for all of our students."

District Superintendent George Parker III didn't immediately respond to requests for comment. He asked for community support to reduce the chance a child could gain access to a gun in a message late Saturday to district families and staff members.

“A six-year old student with access to a weapon brought that item to his first-grade classroom,” Parker said. “There are many concerns that we will need to unpack before we will be able to determine if any additional preventive measures would have impacted the probability of this incident occurring.”

The Newport News Public Schools community is deeply saddened by the events at Richneck Elementary School. Our hearts are...

Posted by Newport News Public Schools on Saturday, January 7, 2023

Hunter isn't the only Newport News Public Schools parent who thinks metal detectors on campuses could help address its gun violence problem. Hanan Daoud, who also has children in the school district, agrees.

"Being sorry isn’t enough!" Daoud commented on the school district's social media post about Friday's shooting. "What’s your plan to stop this drama? Put Metal Detectors in school!!!!"

Daoud told NBC News she recalled feeling "paralyzed" after she heard that there had been a shooting Friday.

"One of my friends called me to check on my kids. I was shopping," Daoud said. "I was scared to death, got out of the store and called my husband to check where the shooting was."

The shooting didn't happen at the school Daoud's children attend, but it was yet another traumatic incident that scared parents and students alike, she said.

Parker said at a news conference Friday evening, “We do have metal detection capability at all of our schools.”

But he said that the devices aren't used all the time and that they can be activated ahead of a desired date based on a specific threat.

“If we have a perceived threat or an issue, we administer random metal detection on those days,” he said. “We can check individual classrooms, individual students and students.”

Parker said that use of metal detectors could be ramped up and that district leaders will have that discussion.

Richneck Elementary School will be closed Monday and Tuesday in response to the latest shooting.

Richneck Principal Briana Foster Newton shared mental health resources with the school community Saturday evening to help support students.

“The tragic event that occurred on Friday impacts all of us deeply,” she said. “My thoughts and prayers remain with our teacher who was seriously injured, and our students and our staff, who are dealing with the aftereffects of this tragedy.”

Without naming the victim, Newport News police said in a statement that Chief Steve Drew met with her and her family Saturday morning.

Both the police department and Riverside Regional Medical Center, where the woman was recovering, said Saturday that she had been stabilized.

“She has improved,” police said in the statement. “Because of the ongoing nature of the investigation, we will not be releasing any further information at this time.”

In his message to families and staff Saturday night, Parker credited the district with having plans and procedures for emergencies, as well as the swift action from police, sheriff’s deputies and fire personnel to quell the situation and treat the victim

“While no amount of planning can guarantee that a tragedy such as this will not occur; please know that our collective efforts and preparation resulted in immediate medical care for our faculty member, no injuries to students, and a safe and efficient reunification process for our families and students,” Parker said.

'A red flag for the country'
Newport News Mayor Phillip Jones called the shooting "a red flag for the country," according to The Associated Press.

"I do think that after this event, there is going to be a nationwide discussion on how these sorts of things can be prevented," he said.

Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., tweeted that he was "deeply disturbed" by the shooting and "closely monitoring the situation."

"My thoughts go out to all families and first responders," he wrote.

It’s not clear at this time whether the 6-year-old boy is still in custody or whether he has an attorney.

Officials have yet to comment on where he might have obtained the weapon, which police described as a handgun.

The Newport News Commonwealth's Attorney didn't immediately respond to requests for comment.

Rules vs laws.

Laws have criminal penalties.
Rules are guidelines usually with no legal repercussions.

There are a lot of people who see themselves as rule breakers.

[merh]

Sorry

[abbey1227]

Jan 9, 2023 14:02:33 GMT merh said:

Jan 9, 2023 9:54:01 GMT abbey1227 said:

You ARE aware there are many, many other laws regarding guns and safe use?

NBC News
Virginia school district where 6-year-old allegedly shot teacher has had 3 school-related shootings in 17 months


Less than two months later, in December, Demari Batten, 18, fatally shot Justice Dunham, 17, in the parking lot of Menchville High School after a football game against Woodside High School, also in the Newport News Public Schools system, according to WAVY.

Rules vs laws.

Laws have criminal penalties.
Rules are guidelines usually with no legal repercussions.

There are a lot of people who see themselves as rule breakers.

There are a lot that see themselves as law breakers.

18-year-old Demari Batten, of Newport News, was taken into custody and charged with: second-degree murder, shooting firearm on school grounds, use of firearm in the commission of a felony,” the department wrote.

WHY isn't the murder charge sufficient?  by the way, they found one gun on the shooter and 2 in the victim's car. Sounds like they were of similar attitudes when it came to rules and laws.

[merh]

[merh]

Jan 9, 2023 14:16:56 GMT abbey1227 said:

Jan 9, 2023 14:02:33 GMT merh said:

Rules vs laws.

Laws have criminal penalties.
Rules are guidelines usually with no legal repercussions.

There are a lot of people who see themselves as rule breakers.

There are a lot that see themselves as law breakers.

18-year-old Demari Batten, of Newport News, was taken into custody and charged with: second-degree murder, shooting firearm on school grounds, use of firearm in the commission of a felony,” the department wrote.

WHY isn't the murder charge sufficient?  by the way, they found one gun on the shooter and 2 in the victim's car. Sounds like they were of similar attitudes when it came to rules and laws.

The 6 yr old is a slightly different matter I believe as a parent is supposed to keep dangerous objects from the hands of children.

But deflect & pretend a 6 yr old is the same as an 18 yr old.

On the other hand, we have discussed teens, haven't we?
That the brain paths rewire in the teen years which is why teens do such insanely crazy stuff not unlike jumping off the diving board into the empty pool because they just don't look first.

Murder charge?
Why the hell would a teen with no impulse control think about tomorrow? 
The brain doesnt finish that rewiring until they are in their 20s.
This is why I called my under 30 crowd "young & stupid".
Because they were so positive they were right &  didn't need any advice.
Which is why they make such.good canon fodder for older & wiser commanding officers standing behind them.

[abbey1227]

Jan 19, 2023 5:39:08 GMT merh said:

The 6 yr old is a slightly different matter I believe as a parent is supposed to keep dangerous objects from the hands of children.

But deflect & pretend a 6 yr old is the same as an 18 yr old.

On the other hand, we have discussed teens, haven't we?
That the brain paths rewire in the teen years which is why teens do such insanely crazy stuff not unlike jumping off the diving board into the empty pool because they just don't look first.

Murder charge?
Why the hell would a teen with no impulse control think about tomorrow? 
The brain doesnt finish that rewiring until they are in their 20s.
This is why I called my under 30 crowd "young & stupid".
Because they were so positive they were right &  didn't need any advice.
Which is why they make such.good canon fodder for older & wiser commanding officers standing behind them.

Are you referring to the recent 'toddler' pointing the handgun? Cuz that was all sorts of nuts.......and irresponsible parenting. There's no deflection, you know I disapprove of bad parenting.

I agree on impulse control a bit..........but by 10-13 yrs old? You should know the basic differences between right and wrong. Illegal gun use is bound to be wrong.

You and the scientists keep repeating that...........but 100 years or more ago.......... teens were expected to be much more responsible. Just because 'society' lowered the bar, doesn't mean we all have.

Are you ready for the next 20 year war over in Ukraine?