Trump supporters hate America

[abbey1227]

Apr 19, 2022 15:57:53 GMT merh said:

Apr 17, 2022 1:00:30 GMT abbey1227 said:

They haven't tied Jason Mamoa into this yet? 

Aquaman doesn't need no stinking submarine 

Because he's a submariner.  At least Marvel's version was

[merh]

Apr 20, 2022 2:07:59 GMT abbey1227 said:

Apr 19, 2022 15:57:53 GMT merh said:

Aquaman doesn't need no stinking submarine 

Because he's a submariner.  At least Marvel's version was

Namor was created before.Aquaman.

Marvel hasn't used him because they didn't know they had the rights back.

[abbey1227]

Apr 20, 2022 4:05:00 GMT merh said:

Namor was created before.Aquaman.

Marvel hasn't used him because they didn't know they had the rights back.

It was always a great storyline........ think about it. Namor fighting for the oceans/planet against destructive humans.

The whole love interest between him and Susan Richards.

The endless allegory of the outsider/foreigner

[merh]

Apr 20, 2022 4:09:57 GMT abbey1227 said:

Apr 20, 2022 4:05:00 GMT merh said:

Namor was created before.Aquaman.

Marvel hasn't used him because they didn't know they had the rights back.

It was always a great storyline........ think about it. Namor fighting for the oceans/planet against destructive humans.

The whole love interest between him and Susan Richards.

The endless allegory of the outsider/foreigner

Namor McKenzie (/ˈneɪmɔːr/), also known as the Sub-Mariner, is a fictional character appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Debuting in early 1939, the character was created by writer-artist Bill Everett for comic book packager Funnies Inc. Initially created for the unreleased comic Motion Picture Funnies Weekly, the character first appeared publicly in Marvel Comics #1 (cover-dated Oct. 1939), which was the first comic book from Timely Comics, the 1930s–1940s predecessor of Marvel Comics.

The Fantastic Four is a fictional superhero team appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The team debuted in The Fantastic Four #1 (cover dated Nov. 1961), helping usher in a new level of realism in the medium. It was the first superhero team created by artist/co-plotter Jack Kirby and editor/co-plotter Stan Lee, who developed a collaborative approach to creating comics with this title.

So he seriously predated the Fantastic Four.

He fought Nazis with Captain America during WWII along with the original Android Human Torch.

[abbey1227]

Apr 20, 2022 5:13:06 GMT merh said:

Apr 20, 2022 4:09:57 GMT abbey1227 said:

It was always a great storyline........ think about it. Namor fighting for the oceans/planet against destructive humans.

The whole love interest between him and Susan Richards.

The endless allegory of the outsider/foreigner

Namor McKenzie (/ˈneɪmɔːr/), also known as the Sub-Mariner, is a fictional character appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Debuting in early 1939, the character was created by writer-artist Bill Everett for comic book packager Funnies Inc. Initially created for the unreleased comic Motion Picture Funnies Weekly, the character first appeared publicly in Marvel Comics #1 (cover-dated Oct. 1939), which was the first comic book from Timely Comics, the 1930s–1940s predecessor of Marvel Comics.

The Fantastic Four is a fictional superhero team appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The team debuted in The Fantastic Four #1 (cover dated Nov. 1961), helping usher in a new level of realism in the medium. It was the first superhero team created by artist/co-plotter Jack Kirby and editor/co-plotter Stan Lee, who developed a collaborative approach to creating comics with this title.

So he seriously predated the Fantastic Four.

He fought Nazis with Captain America during WWII along with the original Android Human Torch.

I understand that.......... just pointing out how I remembered his character's story during the period in which I still bought comics.

Isn't Captain America being banned yet? All that hokey nationalistic sentimentality?   

[merh]

Apr 20, 2022 5:23:38 GMT abbey1227 said:

Apr 20, 2022 5:13:06 GMT merh said:

So he seriously predated the Fantastic Four.

He fought Nazis with Captain America during WWII along with the original Android Human Torch.

I understand that.......... just pointing out how I remembered his character's story during the period in which I still bought comics.

Isn't Captain America being banned yet? All that hokey nationalistic sentimentality?   

Cap isn't nationalistic.

If you think he is, you don't know Cap.

I never liked FF. Stretchy people are disturbing.  

I read the Supervillan Team-Ups & the other stuff with him

[abbey1227]

Apr 20, 2022 5:46:41 GMT merh said:

Cap isn't nationalistic.

If you think he is, you don't know Cap.

I never liked FF. Stretchy people are disturbing.  

I read the Supervillan Team-Ups & the other stuff with him

Cap was always the epitome of olde fashioned American ideals. a full grown, super soldier Boy Scout.

Reed Richards was all about Science, though. 

Stretchy people.........that was one of the better X-Files episodes with the guy who slithered into peoples' homes

[merh]

Apr 20, 2022 6:03:47 GMT abbey1227 said:

Apr 20, 2022 5:46:41 GMT merh said:

Cap isn't nationalistic.

If you think he is, you don't know Cap.

I never liked FF. Stretchy people are disturbing.  

I read the Supervillan Team-Ups & the other stuff with him

Cap was always the epitome of olde fashioned American ideals. a full grown, super soldier Boy Scout.

Reed Richards was all about Science, though. 

Stretchy people.........that was one of the better X-Files episodes with the guy who slithered into peoples' homes

I watched Millenium, not X-Files. 

Reed Richards was stretchy. 
I can sort of take it in comics, but cartoons & live action...

Cap is what's right. 
Like the comic where people wanted him to stop a group of white supremacists from having a parade in their town.  Cap said the group had the right to the parade, but the citizens who disagreed could counter-protest. Peacefully. No violence. Pass out their info to counter the lies being spewed by the neo-nazis.

In a great interview with the always informative George Marston at Newsarama, Steve Englehart explained the impetus for the original "Secret Empire" storyline:

I was reacting to Watergate. For readers who aren’t up to speed on 70s politics, then-President Richard Nixon ordered his people to break into the Democratic headquarters and steal stuff, and they got caught. So it became a big deal because in those days, there was a real idealism in the air, and the thought that the president of the United States could commit such a crime was unthinkable. Today, things are very different, but in those days it just fascinated the country. There were statesman on both sides of the aisle who were more concerned with the republic than any political party, so there was a bipartisan inquiry into what Nixon had done. And it was conducted by people who knew what they were talking about, who were doing a good job, and it was being broadcast on all three or four channels. So every day, when the hearings were on, people would sit down and watch the Watergate hearings on whichever channel.

It was like a political thriller in real life, this sort of daily unfolding of the inner workings of this conspiracy. I saw Nixon give a speech on TV and I thought to myself, “This guy knows he’s guilty, and he knows they’re gonna get him.” He was saying the opposite, but somehow that came through to me.

So Watergate just engulfed everything, and I’m writing Captain America, which is supposed to take place in the same America – everyone lives in the “real” New York City. I thought there was no way Captain America could just keep fighting the Yellow Claw with that going on. And some of it was just hubris and luck – they could have convicted Nixon the next day and I would have been writing a story about something that was already over with. But it looked like it was going on for a while, so I capitalized on that.

The storyline began in earnest (there was some hints of where things were heading earlier in the year) in 1973's Captain America #169 by Englehart and artists Sal Buscema and Frank McLaughlin, when suddenly a series of ads debut that try to twist the public against Captain America and the easily duped public quickly find themselves doubting the good Captain...

Cap tracks down the man behind the ads, Quentin Harderman.

This was an obvious reference to H. R. Haldeman, Richard Nixon's Chief of Staff who had to resign in April of 1973 due to his involvement in the Watergate scandal.

Harderman gets Cap to agree to a fight with a boxer, but in reality, the boxer is actually the Tumbler, one of Cap's old villains. Cap recognizes him, of course, and goes to arrest him when they meet, but then suddenly the Tumbler (who the public just thinks is a normal boxer) drops dead!

Harderman then breaks Cap out of jail in Captain America #171, using a group called the Sanitation Unit to make it look like Cap is in cahoots with them...

This, again, is an obvious reference to the "White House Plumbers," the special operative group that broke into the Watergate.

Cap defeats them, but decides to go on the run anyways to clear his name. He then learns that Moonstone and Harderman are both part of an elaborate criminal conspiracy known as the Secret Empire (an old criminal organization that Englehart is re-purposing for this storyline - Englehart was big on re-using old pieces of Marvel continuity), who want to rule the United States from behind the shadows. He discovers this from Professor X, who reveals the existence of the Secret Empire in Captain America #173 because the same criminal group is also secretly hunting down mutants!

Captain America and his partner, the Falcon, go undercover as two disenfranchised guys and, of course, the Secret Empire tries to recruit them...

They get taken to the Secret Empire's headquarters where they find the missing mutants...

It's all about a plot in the conclusion of the storyline in Captain America #175, where the leader of the Secret Empire, Number One, uses the mutant-powered flying saucer to attack the White House, where Moonstone will concede that they are too strong for anyone to defeat, so we should turn the control of the country over to the Secret Empire!

Cap, though, stops the saucer attacks and also defeats Moonstone in front of everyone, who quickly turns on Harderman when Harderman tries to turn on him...

Cap follows and it turns out that Number One IS the President! And then he KILLS HIMSELF IN FRONT OF CAP!

That's a pretty bold thing to do, right? How do you have the President off himself during the middle of the Watergate scandal? This was still MONTHS before Nixon actually resigned.

Englehart explained the bold decision to Marston:

So by the time I was looking to end the “Secret Empire” story, I was thinking about what that would do to Captain America, if he really came to terms with the stark fact that America in practice is different from the ideals of America. I started thinking about the Nomad story, and it seemed like the most efficient way to get there was to have a really shocking ending to Secret Empire. It wouldn’t have been all that interesting if he chased a guy into the Oval Office and the guy said “OK, you got me. Take me away.”

The country was so hyped up – no one expected Nixon to kill himself – but the whole thing was highly dramatic. America became highly dramatic. To run it back to today, as I said, in retrospect, the whole thing was like a political thriller unfolding, and I had a sense of how it would end. As it turned out, I was right, but I saw it as this big political thriller. And right now, as a country, we’re in the middle of this big political thriller again. But I can’t tell you how it ends – I don’t have a sense of that this time. I know how I want it to end. [laughs]

The whole thing ends up disillusioning Captain America so much that he quits as Cap in the following issue...

After a couple of issues of Falcon fighting on his own, Cap debuts a new superhero identity in Captain America #180, as Nomad, the man without a country!

/captain-america-secret-empire-president-nixon/


Yet even as Nomad he had the same values.

[abbey1227]

Apr 21, 2022 13:43:06 GMT merh said:

I watched Millenium, not X-Files. 

Reed Richards was stretchy. 
I can sort of take it in comics, but cartoons & live action...

Cap is what's right. 
Like the comic where people wanted him to stop a group of white supremacists from having a parade in their town.  Cap said the group had the right to the parade, but the citizens who disagreed could counter-protest. Peacefully. No violence. Pass out their info to counter the lies being spewed by the neo-nazis.

In a great interview with the always informative George Marston at Newsarama, Steve Englehart explained the impetus for the original "Secret Empire" storyline:

/captain-america-secret-empire-president-nixon/


Yet even as Nomad he had the same values.

I loved Millennium ..........just because of the main actor. X-Files had some pretty funny episodes, but it got kinda redundant in a lot of spots.

So Cap would have agreed with MY stance on that whole Charlottesville march? I've always said I'd rather know where those people stand than have it hidden under covers........especially since it gave a great example of how few of them there are.......and how many people could easily show up and outnumber them anyway.

So they just had to throw evil Nixon into the mix, really? How is it the Bernsteins and Woodwards of the world can never seem to get around to calling the Kennedys and Clintons out for the scumbags they are? Too busy pontificating and writing yet another book on Trump?

Sorry to say it, but Captain America could be seen a bit like Christ...........a great example to follow......but most people? Can't live up to the same standards.

[merh]

Apr 21, 2022 14:05:43 GMT abbey1227 said:

Apr 21, 2022 13:43:06 GMT merh said:

I watched Millenium, not X-Files. 

Reed Richards was stretchy. 
I can sort of take it in comics, but cartoons & live action...

Cap is what's right. 
Like the comic where people wanted him to stop a group of white supremacists from having a parade in their town.  Cap said the group had the right to the parade, but the citizens who disagreed could counter-protest. Peacefully. No violence. Pass out their info to counter the lies being spewed by the neo-nazis.

/captain-america-secret-empire-president-nixon/


Yet even as Nomad he had the same values.

I loved Millennium ..........just because of the main actor. X-Files had some pretty funny episodes, but it got kinda redundant in a lot of spots.

So Cap would have agreed with MY stance on that whole Charlottesville march? I've always said I'd rather know where those people stand than have it hidden under covers........especially since it gave a great example of how few of them there are.......and how many people could easily show up and outnumber them anyway.

So they just had to throw evil Nixon into the mix, really? How is it the Bernsteins and Woodwards of the world can never seem to get around to calling the Kennedys and Clintons out for the scumbags they are? Too busy pontificating and writing yet another book on Trump?

Sorry to say it, but Captain America could be seen a bit like Christ...........a great example to follow......but most people? Can't live up to the same standards.

Of course I was Team Cap over Team Iron Man.

As I have said, I was daddy's girl.
Go out "helping" him do stuff in the yard (yammering at him incessantly like a Gemini,  but then he was also a Gemini). I told him about Thor in the comics. He told me our ancestors came from Denmark so probably worshipped Thor in their time. (Because, surprise, Mormons believe non believers can be converted & aren't immediately evil don't-shake-the-hand monsters) I mentioned Cap-oh, dad read his comics as a boy during WWII. So somehow both became connected to my father. All his best qualities. 

They were dad at his best, or maybe his potential best.

[abbey1227]

Apr 21, 2022 18:16:02 GMT merh said:

Of course I was Team Cap over Team Iron Man.

As I have said, I was daddy's girl.
Go out "helping" him do stuff in the yard (yammering at him incessantly like a Gemini,  but then he was also a Gemini). I told him about Thor in the comics. He told me our ancestors came from Denmark so probably worshipped Thor in their time. (Because, surprise, Mormons believe non believers can be converted & aren't immediately evil don't-shake-the-hand monsters) I mentioned Cap-oh, dad read his comics as a boy during WWII. So somehow both became connected to my father. All his best qualities. 

They were dad at his best, or maybe his potential best.

nostalgic for Dad, huh?

[merh]

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[abbey1227]

May 17, 2022 20:02:34 GMT merh said:

did that kid shoot immigrants?    

[merh]

May 18, 2022 4:17:11 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 17, 2022 20:02:34 GMT merh said:

did that kid shoot immigrants?    

No.

For some crazy reason he went after black people after ranting about Jews.
Blacks are like 13% of the population. Have been forever. The kid obviously was using it as an excuse for his hatred of blacks, that they were taking White Americans' place when it's the Hispanics & Asians doing that. 
Not to mention it doesn't mean any one group will necessarily be larger than Whites, but that all the non-white groups together will be over 50% of the population.

We've seen how well the various groups get along, haven't we?

But he fed into the victimhood that I keep complaining about. "Poor me!" 

Victims, aren't we all?

Get over it.

[abbey1227]

May 18, 2022 7:37:38 GMT merh said:

No.

For some crazy reason he went after black people after ranting about Jews.
Blacks are like 13% of the population. Have been forever. The kid obviously was using it as an excuse for his hatred of blacks, that they were taking White Americans' place when it's the Hispanics & Asians doing that. 
Not to mention it doesn't mean any one group will necessarily be larger than Whites, but that all the non-white groups together will be over 50% of the population.

We've seen how well the various groups get along, haven't we?

But he fed into the victimhood that I keep complaining about. "Poor me!"
Victims, aren't we all?
Get over it.

so it appears he's just a plain old whackadoodle?

Blacks are not taking white Americans' place.........you're right........ Hispanics and Asians are doing that.   

and there it is......... NONE of these groups get along all that well.......so it's not just a black or white thing by any stretch of the imagination.

You must not be popular with the feminists, the gays, the transgenders, Illegals etc etc etc........they play the 'Poor me!' game, too

[merh]

May 18, 2022 7:47:50 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 18, 2022 7:37:38 GMT merh said:

No.

For some crazy reason he went after black people after ranting about Jews.
Blacks are like 13% of the population. Have been forever. The kid obviously was using it as an excuse for his hatred of blacks, that they were taking White Americans' place when it's the Hispanics & Asians doing that. 
Not to mention it doesn't mean any one group will necessarily be larger than Whites, but that all the non-white groups together will be over 50% of the population.

We've seen how well the various groups get along, haven't we?

But he fed into the victimhood that I keep complaining about. "Poor me!"
Victims, aren't we all?
Get over it.

so it appears he's just a plain old whackadoodle?

Blacks are not taking white Americans' place.........you're right........ Hispanics and Asians are doing that.   

and there it is......... NONE of these groups get along all that well.......so it's not just a black or white thing by any stretch of the imagination.

You must not be popular with the feminists, the gays, the transgenders, Illegals etc etc etc........they play the 'Poor me!' game, too

I am very much a feminist & you know it.
The sexism is well ingrained in American society.
To a point it's less outrage than just another day.

The poor get poor. 
The rich get rich.
That's how it goes.
Everybody knows.

[abbey1227]

May 18, 2022 9:10:19 GMT merh said:

May 18, 2022 7:47:50 GMT abbey1227 said:

so it appears he's just a plain old whackadoodle?

Blacks are not taking white Americans' place.........you're right........ Hispanics and Asians are doing that.   

and there it is......... NONE of these groups get along all that well.......so it's not just a black or white thing by any stretch of the imagination.

You must not be popular with the feminists, the gays, the transgenders, Illegals etc etc etc........they play the 'Poor me!' game, too

I am very much a feminist & you know it.
The sexism is well ingrained in American society.
To a point it's less outrage than just another day.

The poor get poor. 
The rich get rich.
That's how it goes.
Everybody knows.

Aren't you at all tired of the perpetual 'victims' within the feminist community, though?

Most of the poor stay poor. Blame their role models.

Not all the rich get richer. In fact, most new millionaires come from poor backgrounds.

Everybody knows? Most of everybody prefers the Rinse, Repeat approach to life

[merh]