Housing Shortage

[merh]

Dec 18, 2022 13:31:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 18, 2022 11:02:57 GMT merh said:

Like I keep telling you
NIMBY.

Local politicians bow to the homeowners in their city trying to preserve/increase their property value so stuff doesn't get built.

Last I saw, George Lucas has been fighting ti build affordable housing on land he owns near Modesto for over a decade while the locals have found numerous ways to block it.

Use dilapidated areas. Use totally vacant land. Use some of the public park lands. Use some of the green spaces in the wealthiest neighborhoods.

Problems solved.

Nope.
It still gets blocked by landowners 

Lucas's thing was land he bought to build a studio or some such. Changed his mind.  

One of the blocks was a single access road so they managed to kill.the project.

[abbey1227]

Dec 21, 2022 3:51:58 GMT merh said:

Dec 18, 2022 13:31:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

Use dilapidated areas. Use totally vacant land. Use some of the public park lands. Use some of the green spaces in the wealthiest neighborhoods.

Problems solved.

Nope.
It still gets blocked by landowners 

Lucas's thing was land he bought to build a studio or some such. Changed his mind.  

One of the blocks was a single access road so they managed to kill.the project.

But if they wanted a highway or a high speed rail or a new military base, it'd go thru no problem.

Heck, I was just reading about a mall that's been empty and abandoned near Milwaukee. The Chinese owners have left it to rot, the fire dept keeps putting out fires and they claim it'd take $15 million just to demo it.

Why not take it over, dig down and put in housing units with commercial units up top and visible?

[merh]

Dec 21, 2022 5:57:54 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 21, 2022 3:51:58 GMT merh said:

Nope.
It still gets blocked by landowners 

Lucas's thing was land he bought to build a studio or some such. Changed his mind.  

One of the blocks was a single access road so they managed to kill.the project.

But if they wanted a highway or a high speed rail or a new military base, it'd go thru no problem.

Heck, I was just reading about a mall that's been empty and abandoned near Milwaukee. The Chinese owners have left it to rot, the fire dept keeps putting out fires and they claim it'd take $15 million just to demo it.

Why not take it over, dig down and put in housing units with commercial units up top and visible?

The owners.

Lucas owned the land.
The neighbors were upset it would ruin their property value by increasing supply.

Those Chinese owners of that mall have no care to America or our homeless. Why should they care if our resources put out fires, etc?

Usually it is retail below/residential up top

Your kinda place

[abbey1227]

Dec 22, 2022 7:38:36 GMT merh said:

Dec 21, 2022 5:57:54 GMT abbey1227 said:

But if they wanted a highway or a high speed rail or a new military base, it'd go thru no problem.

Heck, I was just reading about a mall that's been empty and abandoned near Milwaukee. The Chinese owners have left it to rot, the fire dept keeps putting out fires and they claim it'd take $15 million just to demo it.

Why not take it over, dig down and put in housing units with commercial units up top and visible?

The owners.

Lucas owned the land.
The neighbors were upset it would ruin their property value by increasing supply.

Those Chinese owners of that mall have no care to America or our homeless. Why should they care if our resources put out fires, etc?

Usually it is retail below/residential up top

Your kinda place

You'd think Lucas had enough land as a buffer, he could build whatever he wants. Heck, buy up their properties, too.

The local Govt should condemn the property and take it then. After it's sold, they can get the remaining balance.

You're gonna have a tough time convincing ANYONE to take on the worst elements within the homeless community. They're just bad news all around.

So go with my prison idea? Build something multi-level going deep underground........and the worse the people are, they deep they go. Less freedoms to move about and bother others. And uptop? Shops and offices.

[merh]

Dec 22, 2022 15:10:28 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 22, 2022 7:38:36 GMT merh said:

The owners.

Lucas owned the land.
The neighbors were upset it would ruin their property value by increasing supply.

Those Chinese owners of that mall have no care to America or our homeless. Why should they care if our resources put out fires, etc?

Usually it is retail below/residential up top

Your kinda place

You'd think Lucas had enough land as a buffer, he could build whatever he wants. Heck, buy up their properties, too.

The local Govt should condemn the property and take it then. After it's sold, they can get the remaining balance.

You're gonna have a tough time convincing ANYONE to take on the worst elements within the homeless community. They're just bad news all around.

So go with my prison idea? Build something multi-level going deep underground........and the worse the people are, they deep they go. Less freedoms to move about and bother others. And uptop? Shops and offices.

But you want our homeless to go to China or Mexico...

Here they put apartments over retail space. 
In several areas here. Particularly downtown.


That was a prison wasn't it?

The Romans were among the first to use prisons as a form of punishment rather than simply for detention. A variety of existing structures were used to house prisoners, such as metal cages, basements of public buildings, and quarries. One of the most notable Roman prisons was the Mamertine Prison, established around 640 B.C. by Ancus Marcius. The Mamertine Prison was located within a sewer system beneath ancient Rome and contained a large network of dungeons where prisoners were held in squalid conditions, contaminated with human waste. Forced labor on public works projects was also a common form of punishment. In many cases, citizens were sentenced to slavery, often in ergastula (a primitive form of prison where unruly slaves were chained to workbenches and performed hard labor).

[merh]

NEWS SECTIONS

San Diego named 'prohousing' city, but advocates say name doesn’t match reality
By City News Service, Jacob Aere / General Assignment Reporter
Published December 16, 2022 at 8:25 AM PST

San Diego — along with Citrus Heights, Fontana, Oakland, Roseville and West Sacramento — joined Sacramento in the designation. However, the city is still well behind in building low and middle income housing units. The city also has seen further increases in homelessness.
The city of San Diego was one of six cities in California to earn the state's Prohousing Designation, a recognition for committing to policies and practices that will help remove barriers to housing production.

San Diego Mayor Todd Gloria said the designation gives San Diego an edge when applying for housing, transportation and infrastructure programs from the state.

“It opens the door to state funding that we otherwise would not be able to have access to,” Gloria said. “I believe this will give the dollars that will help us to address the infrastructure needs that this new housing requires. And this is really just a good day for our housing policies and encouragement to other cities to follow our lead.”

On Thursday, San Diego — along with Citrus Heights, Fontana, Oakland, Roseville and West Sacramento — joined Sacramento in the designation. The California Department of Housing and Community Development also announced the launch of the Prohousing Incentive Pilot Program to reward Prohousing cities.

"These communities have stepped up to implement policies that aggressively eliminate bureaucratic obstacles and drive the growth of housing throughout the state," said Gov. Gavin Newsom. "This is one of many innovative approaches the state is taking to create greater accountability and reward municipalities willing to do their part to help collectively tackle the need for more housing.

"This is the right approach and I look forward to seeing more communities join in this effort," he said.

While it earned the prohousing designation, San Diego is still well behind in building low and middle income housing units. The city also has seen further increases in homelessness.

Ricardo Flores, executive director of LISC San Diego, a nonprofit that advocates for increased housing, said San Diego’s designation doesn’t line up with the realities many are facing.

“A lot of folks out there do not feel that San Diego is prohousing because rents are high or they can't find another place to live,” he said. “Or they may be a family that wants to be homeowners so they have that certainty of a mortgage, but they can not find a home at their price point.”

Gloria said it’s not about the shortfalls of the past, but the policies now in place. He said those policies will increase affordable housing in the future.

“These are now dollars that we can compete for to get, and the good news is we're not competing against hundreds of other cities in the state of California, we’d only be competing against the handful of others that have the same designation,” he said.

Newsom's fiscal year 2019-2020 budget established the Prohousing Designation Program as part of a spectrum of support, incentives and accountability measures intended to help meet California's housing goals. The designation provides incentives to cities and counties in the form of "additional points and/or other preference in the scoring of competitive housing, community development and infrastructure funding programs administered by HCD," a statement from the state reads.

San Diego specific actions include: updating community plans to provide zoned capacity in the city for more than 98,000 additional housing units, creating the affordable ADU Bonus program, waiving density limitations and allowing for a floor area ratio-based density bonus for development that provides affordable housing and infrastructure amenities.

"Housing is the solution to homelessness, a key strategy for climate action and a path to economic opportunity for all — and we're doing everything we can at the city of San Diego to build more homes at prices our residents can afford," Gloria said. "By passing prohousing policies at the local level and leveraging new tools and funding provided by the governor and the Legislature, we will continue to build more homes, so everyone has a stable place to live."

Cities which have earned the designation are also eligible for community development resources through the PIP Program. The competitive program offers $25.7 million in additional funding to Prohousing cities to help accelerate housing production and preservation.

The Prohousing Designation is awarded when a jurisdiction submits an application with local policies that reduce barriers to housing production. Jurisdictions must receive a minimum score of 30 on the application.

Cities and counties that receive the designation must demonstrate they are promoting "climate-smart" housing in a variety of ways.

"Prohousing cities demonstrate they are ready and willing to be part of the statewide housing solution to getting at least 2.5 million new homes by 2030, by eliminating many of the barriers to building affordable housing near daily destinations," said HCD Director Gustavo Velasquez. "As promised, the state is ready and willing to award grants to Prohousing cities with the new Prohousing Incentive Pilot Program, to help get smart planning over the finish line."

[abbey1227]

Dec 24, 2022 1:35:57 GMT merh said:

But you want our homeless to go to China or Mexico...

Here they put apartments over retail space. 
In several areas here. Particularly downtown.

That was a prison wasn't it?

The Romans were among the first to use prisons as a form of punishment rather than simply for detention. A variety of existing structures were used to house prisoners, such as metal cages, basements of public buildings, and quarries. One of the most notable Roman prisons was the Mamertine Prison, established around 640 B.C. by Ancus Marcius. The Mamertine Prison was located within a sewer system beneath ancient Rome and contained a large network of dungeons where prisoners were held in squalid conditions, contaminated with human waste. Forced labor on public works projects was also a common form of punishment. In many cases, citizens were sentenced to slavery, often in ergastula (a primitive form of prison where unruly slaves were chained to workbenches and performed hard labor).

boy, once a bee gets under your bonnet, it stays there. 

What's wrong with thinking outside the box? Looking for better alternatives?

or even requiring some sort of work in return for room & board?

[abbey1227]

Dec 24, 2022 1:39:40 GMT merh said:

NEWS SECTIONS

San Diego named 'prohousing' city, but advocates say name doesn’t match reality
By City News Service, Jacob Aere / General Assignment Reporter
Published December 16, 2022 at 8:25 AM PST

San Diego — along with Citrus Heights, Fontana, Oakland, Roseville and West Sacramento — joined Sacramento in the designation. However, the city is still well behind in building low and middle income housing units. The city also has seen further increases in homelessness.
The city of San Diego was one of six cities in California to earn the state's Prohousing Designation, a recognition for committing to policies and practices that will help remove barriers to housing production.

San Diego Mayor Todd Gloria said the designation gives San Diego an edge when applying for housing, transportation and infrastructure programs from the state.

“It opens the door to state funding that we otherwise would not be able to have access to,” Gloria said. “I believe this will give the dollars that will help us to address the infrastructure needs that this new housing requires. And this is really just a good day for our housing policies and encouragement to other cities to follow our lead.”

On Thursday, San Diego — along with Citrus Heights, Fontana, Oakland, Roseville and West Sacramento — joined Sacramento in the designation. The California Department of Housing and Community Development also announced the launch of the Prohousing Incentive Pilot Program to reward Prohousing cities.

"These communities have stepped up to implement policies that aggressively eliminate bureaucratic obstacles and drive the growth of housing throughout the state," said Gov. Gavin Newsom. "This is one of many innovative approaches the state is taking to create greater accountability and reward municipalities willing to do their part to help collectively tackle the need for more housing.

"This is the right approach and I look forward to seeing more communities join in this effort," he said.

While it earned the prohousing designation, San Diego is still well behind in building low and middle income housing units. The city also has seen further increases in homelessness.

Ricardo Flores, executive director of LISC San Diego, a nonprofit that advocates for increased housing, said San Diego’s designation doesn’t line up with the realities many are facing.

“A lot of folks out there do not feel that San Diego is prohousing because rents are high or they can't find another place to live,” he said. “Or they may be a family that wants to be homeowners so they have that certainty of a mortgage, but they can not find a home at their price point.”

Gloria said it’s not about the shortfalls of the past, but the policies now in place. He said those policies will increase affordable housing in the future.

“These are now dollars that we can compete for to get, and the good news is we're not competing against hundreds of other cities in the state of California, we’d only be competing against the handful of others that have the same designation,” he said.

Newsom's fiscal year 2019-2020 budget established the Prohousing Designation Program as part of a spectrum of support, incentives and accountability measures intended to help meet California's housing goals. The designation provides incentives to cities and counties in the form of "additional points and/or other preference in the scoring of competitive housing, community development and infrastructure funding programs administered by HCD," a statement from the state reads.

San Diego specific actions include: updating community plans to provide zoned capacity in the city for more than 98,000 additional housing units, creating the affordable ADU Bonus program, waiving density limitations and allowing for a floor area ratio-based density bonus for development that provides affordable housing and infrastructure amenities.

"Housing is the solution to homelessness, a key strategy for climate action and a path to economic opportunity for all — and we're doing everything we can at the city of San Diego to build more homes at prices our residents can afford," Gloria said. "By passing prohousing policies at the local level and leveraging new tools and funding provided by the governor and the Legislature, we will continue to build more homes, so everyone has a stable place to live."

Cities which have earned the designation are also eligible for community development resources through the PIP Program. The competitive program offers $25.7 million in additional funding to Prohousing cities to help accelerate housing production and preservation.

The Prohousing Designation is awarded when a jurisdiction submits an application with local policies that reduce barriers to housing production. Jurisdictions must receive a minimum score of 30 on the application.

Cities and counties that receive the designation must demonstrate they are promoting "climate-smart" housing in a variety of ways.

"Prohousing cities demonstrate they are ready and willing to be part of the statewide housing solution to getting at least 2.5 million new homes by 2030, by eliminating many of the barriers to building affordable housing near daily destinations," said HCD Director Gustavo Velasquez. "As promised, the state is ready and willing to award grants to Prohousing cities with the new Prohousing Incentive Pilot Program, to help get smart planning over the finish line."

Funny how often the title is the opposite of reality.     Especially where Govt gets involved

[merh]

Dec 24, 2022 2:16:12 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 24, 2022 1:35:57 GMT merh said:

But you want our homeless to go to China or Mexico...

Here they put apartments over retail space. 
In several areas here. Particularly downtown.

That was a prison wasn't it?

boy, once a bee gets under your bonnet, it stays there. 

What's wrong with thinking outside the box? Looking for better alternatives?

or even requiring some sort of work in return for room & board?

Isn't that a woman thing?
Never forget?

Because you just want to pay no taxes & live on your own little island.

[abbey1227]

Dec 24, 2022 3:25:06 GMT merh said:

Dec 24, 2022 2:16:12 GMT abbey1227 said:

boy, once a bee gets under your bonnet, it stays there. 

What's wrong with thinking outside the box? Looking for better alternatives?

or even requiring some sort of work in return for room & board?

Isn't that a woman thing?
Never forget?

Because you just want to pay no taxes & live on your own little island.

Sexist!  

I want to pay as little taxes as possible.......and demand just a few small things from Govt. That's not asking to pay 'no taxes'.

I want everyone to pay as little taxes as possible, as well. See how consistent that is compared to "I wanna live off the dole AND demand the wealthy pay their fair share."?

[merh]

Dec 24, 2022 3:27:38 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 24, 2022 3:25:06 GMT merh said:

Isn't that a woman thing?
Never forget?

Because you just want to pay no taxes & live on your own little island.

Sexist!  

I want to pay as little taxes as possible.......and demand just a few small things from Govt. That's not asking to pay 'no taxes'.

I want everyone to pay as little taxes as possible, as well. See how consistent that is compared to "I wanna live off the dole AND demand the wealthy pay their fair share."?

Why shouldn't the wealthy pair their fair share?

[abbey1227]

Dec 27, 2022 4:32:31 GMT merh said:

Why shouldn't the wealthy pair their fair share?

Because in some peoples' view a 'fair share' would be something around a 99% tax rate? Meanwhile more than half the country is a Net Loss. We've discussed this, haven't we?

on that other forum, another poster mentioned that each succeeding generation (while bitching about having less) has actually come to expect more and more from Govt.

I think that's completely true. The sheer amount of dependence they've created is astounding.......and it's endless at this point. Not exactly helping the situation, but it's there.

[merh]

Dec 27, 2022 4:40:39 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 27, 2022 4:32:31 GMT merh said:

Why shouldn't the wealthy pair their fair share?

Because in some peoples' view a 'fair share' would be something around a 99% tax rate? Meanwhile more than half the country is a Net Loss. We've discussed this, haven't we?

on that other forum, another poster mentioned that each succeeding generation (while bitching about having less) has actually come to expect more and more from Govt.

I think that's completely true. The sheer amount of dependence they've created is astounding.......and it's endless at this point. Not exactly helping the situation, but it's there.

Because you want to see some humans as worthless trash

Even though the people who originated that 47% stat Romney used said it has lowered. 

You feel superior to all those Net Zeroes 

[abbey1227]

Dec 28, 2022 20:15:34 GMT merh said:

Dec 27, 2022 4:40:39 GMT abbey1227 said:

Because you want to see some humans as worthless trash

Even though the people who originated that 47% stat Romney used said it has lowered. 

You feel superior to all those Net Zeroes 

No, because I want to see humans as self-reliant and responsible. YOU must want them to be trash and on assistance forever.

There is NO WAY it has lowered. They playing with the stats again to give the illusion there's less dependency?

Not as a human. But as a tax payer? I am superior to them. YOU are superior to them. WHY is this a controversial opinion to hold? If we were out to sea in a rowboat miles from land, wouldn't the people who row be more important than those that were busy drilling holes in the boat?

[merh]

Mental health.
Keep telling you individuals can't cope.

Alexandra Eckersley, 26, was arrested on Sunday, December 25 after her newborn son was found unclothed, freezing and alone on the floor of a frost-coated tent.

Officers responded to a report of a woman who had given birth to a baby in a tent in the woods near the West Side Arena in Manchester just before 1 a.m. Eckersley allegedly revealed the true location of the infant after officers spent more than an hour searching in the wrong location. Eckersley allegedly told EMTs that “she had no idea she was pregnant and that she felt she had to use the bathroom,” according to an affidavit.

According to the Eckersley family, their adopted daughter has suffered from “severe mental illness all her life” and had been hospitalized several times to be treated for her illnesses. The family also states that they had no idea Alexandra was pregnant.

“We did our very best to get Allie all of the help and support humanly possible,” said the family. “Once Allie became an adult there was even less we could do because she was legally free to make her own decisions as long as she was not a danger to herself or others. Under existing laws, there was simply no way to force her to receive treatment. Nonetheless, we continued to support her as best we could.”


The family says Alexandra has lived on the streets of New Hampshire since she was 20 years old but are hopeful that this ordeal will cause her to seek professional treatment.

“We have always offered Allie a path home but she has made other choices,” said the Eckersley family. “We hope Allie now accepts the treatment she desperately needs for her mental health issues. We also hope that all those who have heard this tragic story withhold judgment about our daughter until all the facts come out.”

The Eckersley family says they are in the process of filing a guardianship petition in order to receive more information regarding Alexandra’s newborn son and to eventually gain decision-making control.

“We thank you for your support and prayers for this beautiful, innocent baby boy. We hope people understand what an agonizing situation this is and we respectfully ask for privacy.”

According to investigators, it was about 18 degrees when they rescued the baby.

MLB Hall of Fame Dennis Eckersley's adopted.daughter.

[merh]

Dec 29, 2022 0:17:49 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 28, 2022 20:15:34 GMT merh said:

Because you want to see some humans as worthless trash

Even though the people who originated that 47% stat Romney used said it has lowered. 

You feel superior to all those Net Zeroes 

No, because I want to see humans as self-reliant and responsible. YOU must want them to be trash and on assistance forever.

There is NO WAY it has lowered. They playing with the stats again to give the illusion there's less dependency?

Not as a human. But as a tax payer? I am superior to them. YOU are superior to them. WHY is this a controversial opinion to hold? If we were out to sea in a rowboat miles from land, wouldn't the people who row be more important than those that were busy drilling holes in the boat?

I don't bother taking the time to feel superior to others, dude. You should know that by now.

Sort of the point of believing "There but for the grace of God go I "

[abbey1227]

Dec 30, 2022 12:58:46 GMT merh said:

Dec 29, 2022 0:17:49 GMT abbey1227 said:

No, because I want to see humans as self-reliant and responsible. YOU must want them to be trash and on assistance forever.

There is NO WAY it has lowered. They playing with the stats again to give the illusion there's less dependency?

Not as a human. But as a tax payer? I am superior to them. YOU are superior to them. WHY is this a controversial opinion to hold? If we were out to sea in a rowboat miles from land, wouldn't the people who row be more important than those that were busy drilling holes in the boat?

I don't bother taking the time to feel superior to others, dude. You should know that by now.

Sort of the point of believing "There but for the grace of God go I "

of course YOU & Others do in some way. You feel superior to people like me that aren't as charitable or willing to support so many govt programs.

Yeah, that saying usually doesn't cover the "What IF it were ME being the rich person getting bent over for all the handouts?" cuz most Americans know they won't bother putting themselves in that position of having wealth anytime soon.

[Prometheus]

Isn't it weird how Abbey slams the renters for not having a 6-month "emergency fund" but doesn't hold the landlords to the same standard?

[abbey1227]

Dec 30, 2022 12:54:47 GMT merh said:

Mental health.
Keep telling you individuals can't cope.

Alexandra Eckersley, 26, was arrested on Sunday, December 25 after her newborn son was found unclothed, freezing and alone on the floor of a frost-coated tent.

MLB Hall of Fame Dennis Eckersley's adopted.daughter.

Can't?  or Won't?

And does it really matter either way?

[merh]

Dec 30, 2022 14:57:10 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 30, 2022 12:58:46 GMT merh said:

I don't bother taking the time to feel superior to others, dude. You should know that by now.

Sort of the point of believing "There but for the grace of God go I "

of course YOU & Others do in some way. You feel superior to people like me that aren't as charitable or willing to support so many govt programs.

Yeah, that saying usually doesn't cover the "What IF it were ME being the rich person getting bent over for all the handouts?" cuz most Americans know they won't bother putting themselves in that position of having wealth anytime soon.

Do you think I feel superior to you?

If I did, I wouldn't bother engaging in debate with you.

Just finished another viewing of Christmas Carol.

Ever notice how many people say they feel sorry for Scrooge? That he is only hurting himself?

So, yeah.
You are limiting yourself.

I prefer giving presents, seeing the people's happiness.

Spent so much today. I was talking to my sister & suddenly the dude in the next car complimented me on how happy I seemed.