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Post by Prometheus on Jun 1, 2021 17:18:30 GMT
Long before China released their census info - and even before Covid - China was doing their level best to limit the number of foreigners coming to China for work and to oust as many as they could. They put new regulations in place regarding teachers that were ostensibly to "raise the quality" of education but was really intended to get rid of young, western men who were teaching simply as a way to fund their "yellow fever" and keep them from potentially reducing the blood purity of the Han majority by getting married and having kids.
They even started raising the requirements on other professions for similar reasons, especially since those guys make even more money (catnip for Chinese women).
Covid provided an unexpected boon as many foreigners traveled to their home countries, either for the usual Spring Festival holiday or simply to escape the epidemic, and very few have returned.
This, however, created a certain economic backlash as foreign teachers became an expensive commodity with foreign teacher salaries almost doubling in many places once the lock down was lifted. This increase in salaries prompted increases in tuitions. Increases in tuitions reduced the desire for parents to have more than one child.
China wants people to have more children, so they are cracking down on "luxury" spending.
Chinese public school teachers may NOT provide paid, after-school tutoring in any subject without approval of the school and the school's CCP regulator. That's going to hurt a LOT of Chinese teachers who rely on that type of extra-income to "keep up with the Wangs."
Foreign teachers are no longer allowed to give classes in public schools (K thru 9). There are a number of companies that exist only to provide public schools with a foreign teacher once a week for supplemental learning.
Private schools providing compulsory K thru 9 education may no longer use any foreign-made texts or materials in any class, which means any foreign teachers would soon become superfluous.
None of the above private schools can be foreign owned nor can any foreigners sit on the board of directors of the schools. Most of the private schools in China are Chinese owned but there are some that are JVs (Joint Ventures) and the foreign owners will have to sell back their share to the Chinese partner (for a "reasonable price" - read: loss) before September 1st of this year.
International schools (those that teach a curriculum commensurate with their country of origin) may continue to operate as before except that the Chairman of the Board (and any other committees overseeing educational policy) must be Chinese and CCP-approved.
Training Centers (my industry) haven't been hit too hard yet. So far, the only regulation I've heard about is that TCs can no longer lock clients into contracts for any longer than 3 months (or 1/4 of a program's length - whichever is shorter). This seems to be intended to allow parents to "shop around" with more ease rather than being locked into a 1-year contract.
That said, I'm sure the government is more than aware of ballooning foreign teacher salaries and tuitions, and will soon be dropping more regulations on TCs and tax-hikes on foreign teachers. This means that small TCs (like where I work) will find it even more difficult than it already is to compete with the big chains like EF (English First).
I have actually been in the process of forming my own company, but my agent called today to say that I should wait and see what new regulations drop in the next month or so. He's a nice guy and refunded a portion of the money I had already paid him. That tells me foreign ownership of even a small educational consultancy is probably going to be axed pretty soon.
This is all intended to reduce the financial burden on Chinese parents so that they can afford to have another child or two.
China has even set up special "Marriage Economic Zones" to help people keep wedding costs to a minimum so that the happy couples will have enough money to afford multiple children.
While I'm not sure, I'm betting that the government here is also increasing taxes on imported goods well beyond the amount needed to meet the "trade war" tariffs, simply to make "keeping up with the Wangs" an untenable option. This drives domestic spending and increases the chances that parents will have enough money to have another child.
Some might ask why a country with nearly 1.5 billion people wants to have even more. Simple economics. More children means more people to pay for the elderly in their retirement so that the government doesn't have to increase its social security spending which would cut into China's economic and military expansion.
All I know for sure is that if more regs drop on TCs and foreigners, I might be looking for a new home soon... if I can't come up with a solution. I guess my previous plans for Serbia are back on the table....
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 2, 2021 2:10:37 GMT
That said, I'm sure the government is more than aware of ballooning foreign teacher salaries and tuitions, and will soon be dropping more regulations on TCs and tax-hikes on foreign teachers. This means that small TCs (like where I work) will find it even more difficult than it already is to compete with the big chains like EF (English First).
This is all intended to reduce the financial burden on Chinese parents so that they can afford to have another child or two.
Wha? The Chinese Govt doesn't just want to 'invest' more tax dollars in education, no matter the costs? ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif) The Teachers Union must not be in tight with the political elite?
It seems like that 1.5 Billion population faces the same threat as the US.........at least according to people like Paul Ryan. Though, his chosen approach is simply to allow ever more Illegals into the US to bump up those kid numbers. ![[crazy1]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/ue0z0fwvecEC0UQSHAmw.gif) |
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Post by ant-mac on Jun 2, 2021 2:43:44 GMT
Long before China released their census info - and even before Covid - China was doing their level best to limit the number of foreigners coming to China for work and to oust as many as they could. They put new regulations in place regarding teachers that were ostensibly to "raise the quality" of education but was really intended to get rid of young, western men who were teaching simply as a way to fund their "yellow fever" and keep them from potentially reducing the blood purity of the Han majority by getting married and having kids.
They even started raising the requirements on other professions for similar reasons, especially since those guys make even more money (catnip for Chinese women).
Covid provided an unexpected boon as many foreigners traveled to their home countries, either for the usual Spring Festival holiday or simply to escape the epidemic, and very few have returned.
This, however, created a certain economic backlash as foreign teachers became an expensive commodity with foreign teacher salaries almost doubling in many places once the lock down was lifted. This increase in salaries prompted increases in tuitions. Increases in tuitions reduced the desire for parents to have more than one child.
China wants people to have more children, so they are cracking down on "luxury" spending.
Chinese public school teachers may NOT provide paid, after-school tutoring in any subject without approval of the school and the school's CCP regulator. That's going to hurt a LOT of Chinese teachers who rely on that type of extra-income to "keep up with the Wangs."
Foreign teachers are no longer allowed to give classes in public schools (K thru 9). There are a number of companies that exist only to provide public schools with a foreign teacher once a week for supplemental learning.
Private schools providing compulsory K thru 9 education may no longer use any foreign-made texts or materials in any class, which means any foreign teachers would soon become superfluous.
None of the above private schools can be foreign owned nor can any foreigners sit on the board of directors of the schools. Most of the private schools in China are Chinese owned but there are some that are JVs (Joint Ventures) and the foreign owners will have to sell back their share to the Chinese partner (for a "reasonable price" - read: loss) before September 1st of this year.
International schools (those that teach a curriculum commensurate with their country of origin) may continue to operate as before except that the Chairman of the Board (and any other committees overseeing educational policy) must be Chinese and CCP-approved.
Training Centers (my industry) haven't been hit too hard yet. So far, the only regulation I've heard about is that TCs can no longer lock clients into contracts for any longer than 3 months (or 1/4 of a program's length - whichever is shorter). This seems to be intended to allow parents to "shop around" with more ease rather than being locked into a 1-year contract.
That said, I'm sure the government is more than aware of ballooning foreign teacher salaries and tuitions, and will soon be dropping more regulations on TCs and tax-hikes on foreign teachers. This means that small TCs (like where I work) will find it even more difficult than it already is to compete with the big chains like EF (English First).
I have actually been in the process of forming my own company, but my agent called today to say that I should wait and see what new regulations drop in the next month or so. He's a nice guy and refunded a portion of the money I had already paid him. That tells me foreign ownership of even a small educational consultancy is probably going to be axed pretty soon.
This is all intended to reduce the financial burden on Chinese parents so that they can afford to have another child or two.
China has even set up special "Marriage Economic Zones" to help people keep wedding costs to a minimum so that the happy couples will have enough money to afford multiple children.
While I'm not sure, I'm betting that the government here is also increasing taxes on imported goods well beyond the amount needed to meet the "trade war" tariffs, simply to make "keeping up with the Wangs" an untenable option. This drives domestic spending and increases the chances that parents will have enough money to have another child.
Some might ask why a country with nearly 1.5 billion people wants to have even more. Simple economics. More children means more people to pay for the elderly in their retirement so that the government doesn't have to increase its social security spending which would cut into China's economic and military expansion.
All I know for sure is that if more regs drop on TCs and foreigners, I might be looking for a new home soon... if I can't come up with a solution. I guess my previous plans for Serbia are back on the table....
Let's just say if I were you, I wouldn't be making any long term plans to settle down or buy property in the near future. It also seems to me that for a nation with a reputation for playing the long game, this current move of "turning in on itself" seems a bit short-sighted. In any field of Human endeavour, it's always wise to know what you're up against, or to "know your enemy". What better way to do this then to employ a small number of your enemy to educate and provide firsthand experience to the next generation? This current policy shift might help to solve some of their short and even mid term problems, but I can't help wondering if it won't put China at a disadvantage in other areas... |
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 2, 2021 4:29:07 GMT
That said, I'm sure the government is more than aware of ballooning foreign teacher salaries and tuitions, and will soon be dropping more regulations on TCs and tax-hikes on foreign teachers. This means that small TCs (like where I work) will find it even more difficult than it already is to compete with the big chains like EF (English First).
This is all intended to reduce the financial burden on Chinese parents so that they can afford to have another child or two.
Wha? The Chinese Govt doesn't just want to 'invest' more tax dollars in education, no matter the costs? The Teachers Union must not be in tight with the political elite?
It seems like that 1.5 Billion population faces the same threat as the US.........at least according to people like Paul Ryan. Though, his chosen approach is simply to allow ever more Illegals into the US to bump up those kid numbers. 1. When it comes to public schools, the money earned from those tutoring classes is off the books. They want it on the books to collect taxes. Private and international schools are regulated but not funded by the government. China is trying to make sure that their "investment" in education gets the right results: China first. China only.
All unions in China fall under the umbrella of a "master union" that is directly controlled by the government. Imagine if the AFL/CIO was the umbrella for all unions in the US and that they held a cabinet position. Unions are communist.
2. As I said in another post somewhere, China did the whole "economic growth" thing in 40 years, therefore the negative effects have come harder and faster as well.
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 2, 2021 4:37:14 GMT
Long before China released their census info - and even before Covid - China was doing their level best to limit the number of foreigners coming to China for work and to oust as many as they could. They put new regulations in place regarding teachers that were ostensibly to "raise the quality" of education but was really intended to get rid of young, western men who were teaching simply as a way to fund their "yellow fever" and keep them from potentially reducing the blood purity of the Han majority by getting married and having kids.
They even started raising the requirements on other professions for similar reasons, especially since those guys make even more money (catnip for Chinese women).
Covid provided an unexpected boon as many foreigners traveled to their home countries, either for the usual Spring Festival holiday or simply to escape the epidemic, and very few have returned.
This, however, created a certain economic backlash as foreign teachers became an expensive commodity with foreign teacher salaries almost doubling in many places once the lock down was lifted. This increase in salaries prompted increases in tuitions. Increases in tuitions reduced the desire for parents to have more than one child.
China wants people to have more children, so they are cracking down on "luxury" spending.
Chinese public school teachers may NOT provide paid, after-school tutoring in any subject without approval of the school and the school's CCP regulator. That's going to hurt a LOT of Chinese teachers who rely on that type of extra-income to "keep up with the Wangs."
Foreign teachers are no longer allowed to give classes in public schools (K thru 9). There are a number of companies that exist only to provide public schools with a foreign teacher once a week for supplemental learning.
Private schools providing compulsory K thru 9 education may no longer use any foreign-made texts or materials in any class, which means any foreign teachers would soon become superfluous.
None of the above private schools can be foreign owned nor can any foreigners sit on the board of directors of the schools. Most of the private schools in China are Chinese owned but there are some that are JVs (Joint Ventures) and the foreign owners will have to sell back their share to the Chinese partner (for a "reasonable price" - read: loss) before September 1st of this year.
International schools (those that teach a curriculum commensurate with their country of origin) may continue to operate as before except that the Chairman of the Board (and any other committees overseeing educational policy) must be Chinese and CCP-approved.
Training Centers (my industry) haven't been hit too hard yet. So far, the only regulation I've heard about is that TCs can no longer lock clients into contracts for any longer than 3 months (or 1/4 of a program's length - whichever is shorter). This seems to be intended to allow parents to "shop around" with more ease rather than being locked into a 1-year contract.
That said, I'm sure the government is more than aware of ballooning foreign teacher salaries and tuitions, and will soon be dropping more regulations on TCs and tax-hikes on foreign teachers. This means that small TCs (like where I work) will find it even more difficult than it already is to compete with the big chains like EF (English First).
I have actually been in the process of forming my own company, but my agent called today to say that I should wait and see what new regulations drop in the next month or so. He's a nice guy and refunded a portion of the money I had already paid him. That tells me foreign ownership of even a small educational consultancy is probably going to be axed pretty soon.
This is all intended to reduce the financial burden on Chinese parents so that they can afford to have another child or two.
China has even set up special "Marriage Economic Zones" to help people keep wedding costs to a minimum so that the happy couples will have enough money to afford multiple children.
While I'm not sure, I'm betting that the government here is also increasing taxes on imported goods well beyond the amount needed to meet the "trade war" tariffs, simply to make "keeping up with the Wangs" an untenable option. This drives domestic spending and increases the chances that parents will have enough money to have another child.
Some might ask why a country with nearly 1.5 billion people wants to have even more. Simple economics. More children means more people to pay for the elderly in their retirement so that the government doesn't have to increase its social security spending which would cut into China's economic and military expansion.
All I know for sure is that if more regs drop on TCs and foreigners, I might be looking for a new home soon... if I can't come up with a solution. I guess my previous plans for Serbia are back on the table....
Let's just say if I were you, I wouldn't be making any long term plans to settle down or buy property in the near future. It also seems to me that for a nation with a reputation for playing the long game, this current move of "turning in on itself" seems a bit short-sighted. In any field of Human endeavour, it's always wise to know what you're up against, or to "know your enemy". What better way to do this then to employ a small number of your enemy to educate and provide firsthand experience to the next generation? This current policy shift might help to solve some of their short and even mid term problems, but I can't help wondering if it won't put China at a disadvantage in other areas... 1. I would never buy property here.  But I've built a pretty decent life here over the past 13 years and I'm getting a bit old to do the "start over" thing again.
2. I think it simply happened faster than they planned and they are scrambling. I also think that the 'Net was a bit of a monkey wrench too. By the time they realized the threat they were already too far behind the curve to get all North Korea on it.
3. I'm pretty sure their economic power and growing military strength are the means to dealing with "long-term."
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 2, 2021 4:39:08 GMT
I'm also hearing rumblings that English will be removed from the GaoKao (the college entrance exam) making teaching English more than a bit superfluous.
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Post by ant-mac on Jun 2, 2021 4:59:15 GMT
1. Yeah, I know the feeling. Just the thought of having to temporarily move some furniture around for the convenience of tradespeople is enough to depress me... so fuck the idea of actually moving or starting again.
2. I think the rise of the net caught a lot of people off guard... both in business and government circles. Although they seem to have made up for lost time... unfortunately.
3. Do you mean they're not building their future based on compassion and love for their fellow Humans...? How disappointing.
Someone should point out to them that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
4. I can see both sides to this argument.
On the one hand, the students are living and studying in China, while on the other hand, the rest of the world the Chinese want to interact with for the sake of their future isn't China.
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 2, 2021 5:05:21 GMT
1. Yeah, I know the feeling. Just the thought of having to temporarily move some furniture around for the convenience of tradespeople is enough to depress me... so fuck the idea of actually moving or starting again. 2. I think the rise of the net caught a lot of people off guard... both in business and government circles. Although they seem to have made up for lost time... unfortunately. 3. Do you mean they're not building their future based on compassion and love for their fellow Humans...? How disappointing. Someone should point out to them that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. 4. I can see both sides to this argument. On the one hand, the students are living and studying in China, while on the other hand, the rest of the world the Chinese want to interact with for the sake of their future isn't China. 3. A chines person would ask you why you would ever want to catch flies.
4. I try to talk to the parents all the time about this.
"Do you want your child to study in China and work in China only doing business with other Chinese or do you want them to study abroad so no matter where they work they can do business around the world?"
It's part sales pitch but with a whole lot of truth.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 2, 2021 5:31:51 GMT
I'm also hearing rumblings that English will be removed from the GaoKao (the college entrance exam) making teaching English more than a bit superfluous.
Follow the money?
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 2, 2021 5:33:30 GMT
I'm also hearing rumblings that English will be removed from the GaoKao (the college entrance exam) making teaching English more than a bit superfluous.
Follow the money?
What money? |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 2, 2021 5:48:39 GMT
One of the many arguments that I've heard for US Military being everywhere.........is to push the US Dollar and get everyone latched onto our money.
You've been saying for awhile everyone in the US should be taking up Mandarin.........so my thought was "Which form of currency is expanding or contracting at the moment?"
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 2, 2021 5:50:52 GMT
One of the many arguments that I've heard for US Military being everywhere.........is to push the US Dollar and get everyone latched onto our money.
You've been saying for awhile everyone in the US should be taking up Mandarin.........so my thought was "Which form of currency is expanding or contracting at the moment?"
Now I see where you're going. AAMOF, I was just thinking that now would be a good time to send as much money home as possible since I can buy dollars cheap. |
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Post by ant-mac on Jun 2, 2021 6:02:14 GMT
I agree completely... flies are bloody disgusting little creatures.
But with the help of a translator - know where I can find one? - I would explain it was a proverb which explains it is more effective to be polite and flattering than to be hostile or demanding.
And that this might be an effective tactic to pursue - at least initially - in business matters.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 2, 2021 6:06:41 GMT
One of the many arguments that I've heard for US Military being everywhere.........is to push the US Dollar and get everyone latched onto our money.
You've been saying for awhile everyone in the US should be taking up Mandarin.........so my thought was "Which form of currency is expanding or contracting at the moment?"
Now I see where you're going. AAMOF, I was just thinking that now would be a good time to send as much money home as possible since I can buy dollars cheap.
Invest in Real Estate, too
It seems being a perpetual renter is what is being groomed into the culture.......Added Bonus: It maintains the gap between the wealthy and the poor. Evil Landlords and all dat.  |
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Post by ant-mac on Jun 2, 2021 6:13:07 GMT
Now I see where you're going. AAMOF, I was just thinking that now would be a good time to send as much money home as possible since I can buy dollars cheap.
Invest in Real Estate, too
It seems being a perpetual renter is what is being groomed into the culture.......Added Bonus: It maintains the gap between the wealthy and the poor. Evil Landlords and all dat. I own my own home, car and so forth, but I'm certainly nowhere near being wealthy... However, I do try to be evil every chance I get. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 2, 2021 6:18:40 GMT
I own my own home, car and so forth, but I'm certainly nowhere near being wealthy... However, I do try to be evil every chance I get.
We can laugh.......cuz it is funny
But I was just chatting with a younger co-worker. She's getting married soon, they already own land and live in a Barndominium........no kids yet........ and skills/trade to offer others in the marketplace.
She didn't believe me when I insisted to her that they are actually doing better in their early 30s than about 1/2 the country (many who are decades older even)
This is WHY I feel that these basic and fundamental things are being ignored as lessons for success here. Prometheus has mentioned many times Jews and Chinese views on working hard and acquiring more wealth for the good of the family. Instead this notion that Govt will be there to provide everything? So what happens when it's more than 90 or 95% waiting to be cared for instead of just 50%?
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Post by ant-mac on Jun 2, 2021 6:25:59 GMT
I own my own home, car and so forth, but I'm certainly nowhere near being wealthy... However, I do try to be evil every chance I get.
We can laugh.......cuz it is funny
But I was just chatting with a younger co-worker. She's getting married soon, they already own land and live in a Barndominium........no kids yet........ and skills/trade to offer others in the marketplace.
She didn't believe me when I insisted to her that they are actually doing better in their early 30s than about 1/2 the country (many who are decades older even)
This is WHY I feel that these basic and fundamental things are being ignored as lessons for success here. Prometheus has mentioned many times Jews and Chinese views on working hard and acquiring more wealth for the good of the family. Instead this notion that Govt will be there to provide everything? So what happens when it's more than 90 or 95% waiting to be cared for instead of just 50%?
After my break-up with my ex - 19 years ago today! - I went back to study. I spent a couple of years studying Aged Care and related topics... and if there's one thing I learned from that time, it's that I plan to keep the fuck away from Aged Care Facilities if and when my time comes. I'd sooner die in a locked room full of cats than let those fucking "care givers" near me. |
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 2, 2021 6:28:41 GMT
Now I see where you're going. AAMOF, I was just thinking that now would be a good time to send as much money home as possible since I can buy dollars cheap.
Invest in Real Estate, too
It seems being a perpetual renter is what is being groomed into the culture.......Added Bonus: It maintains the gap between the wealthy and the poor. Evil Landlords and all dat. If I moved back to the States, I might buy property, but not here. You're not really buying to own anyway and property rarely increases in value. It mostly depreciates. |
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Post by ant-mac on Jun 2, 2021 6:32:25 GMT
Invest in Real Estate, too
It seems being a perpetual renter is what is being groomed into the culture.......Added Bonus: It maintains the gap between the wealthy and the poor. Evil Landlords and all dat. If I moved back to the States, I might buy property, but not here. You're not really buying to own anyway and property rarely increases in value. It mostly depreciates. The only reason I own property, is so I can tell the world to kiss my arse. When I shut the door on the outside world, I don't have to pay attention to it. I'd never want to own it for business purposes. |
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 2, 2021 6:37:19 GMT
If I moved back to the States, I might buy property, but not here. You're not really buying to own anyway and property rarely increases in value. It mostly depreciates. The only reason I own property, is so I can tell the world to kiss my arse. When I shut the door on the outside world, I don't have to pay attention to it. I'd never want to own it for business purposes. Myself as well.
I would never want the hassles of being a landlord, but I wouldn't mind playing with the mice in my own back yard.
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![[giveup]](http://storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif)
The Teachers Union must not be in tight with the political elite? ![[crazy1]](http://storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/ue0z0fwvecEC0UQSHAmw.gif)
But I've built a pretty decent life here over the past 13 years and I'm getting a bit old to do the "start over" thing again.
![[cheers]](http://storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/engyBVslEdpmpmdnBwZQ.gif)