Southern Baptists (Conservative Christians) and Sex

[merh]

Roe v Wade is  just the beginning

Baby denied baptism because parents weren’t married, Mississippi reverend says BY MADELEINE LIST OCTOBER 07, 2022 1:56 PM

A reverend in Mississippi refused to baptize a baby of unmarried parents, according to a letter that was shared by the mother on Facebook. “I am informed that you and the baby’s father are living together in sin; the baby was conceived before the parents were married,” says the letter, dated Sept. 15, from the Rev. Dewayne Warren of Hickory Grove United Methodist Church in Sumrall, Mississippi, about 95 miles northwest of Biloxi.

The child’s mother, Kamri Mclendon, shared the letter on Facebook and said that she felt “shamed” by the church she grew up in. “Instances like this are why young people are scared to go to church,” she wrote. “(I) will be the first to admit that yesI have sinned and have done wrong in my life. but how did me trying to dedicate my daughter to Jesus turn into us being shamed for being young parents and unmarried?”

In an update, she wrote that a district superintendent for the church had spoken with the reverend and “rectified the situation,” but she said the reverend’s words still hurt. Neither Mclendon nor Warren could be reached for comment on Oct. 7. Mclendon wrote that, originally, she and her child’s father requested a “baby dedication” for their daughter and were told yes. They received materials and the ceremony was announced at the church.

Later, they received the letter from Warren. “We are aware we sinned, but us repenting for that is between us and the Lord, not to be shamed by a church,” Mclendon wrote. “When people ask why there are no young people in these churches this is why.” According to the United Methodist Church’s “Book of Discipline,” the church only supports sex between heterosexual, married couples. “Although all persons are sexual beings whether or not they are married, sexual relations are affirmed only with the covenant of monogamous, heterosexual marriage,” the book says.

In his letter, Warren wrote that performing the ceremony for Mclendon’s daughter would be setting a bad example. “I feel that if I were to perform this ceremony in our church it would set a bad example for our Youth and children,” he wrote. “It would be saying to them that the lifestyle you are living is ok for a Christian. That is not so.” The superintendent for the district where the church is located, Rev. Dr. Larry Hilliard, wrote in an email to McClatchy News that he could not give out information about a particular family, but said that all who wish to baptize their children are welcome at the church. “The act of baptism is a holy gift that is given by God, to the person, by the action of the Holy Spirit,” the email says. “I can say that all who wish to unite with God through the sacrament of baptism are welcome in the United Methodist Church.” Mclendon wrote that the reverend’s letter was hurtful and damaging to her faith and that of other young people, and that she and her family members would no longer attend that church.. “My heart is breaking,” she wrote.

Read more at: www.sunherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article266962211.html#storylink=cpy

Turn the other cheek, etc

[abbey1227]

Oct 9, 2022 4:51:53 GMT merh said:

Roe v Wade is  just the beginning

Baby denied baptism because parents weren’t married, Mississippi reverend says BY MADELEINE LIST OCTOBER 07, 2022 1:56 PM

A reverend in Mississippi refused to baptize a baby of unmarried parents, according to a letter that was shared by the mother on Facebook. “I am informed that you and the baby’s father are living together in sin; the baby was conceived before the parents were married,” says the letter, dated Sept. 15, from the Rev. Dewayne Warren of Hickory Grove United Methodist Church in Sumrall, Mississippi, about 95 miles northwest of Biloxi.

The child’s mother, Kamri Mclendon, shared the letter on Facebook and said that she felt “shamed” by the church she grew up in. “Instances like this are why young people are scared to go to church,” she wrote. “(I) will be the first to admit that yesI have sinned and have done wrong in my life. but how did me trying to dedicate my daughter to Jesus turn into us being shamed for being young parents and unmarried?”

In an update, she wrote that a district superintendent for the church had spoken with the reverend and “rectified the situation,” but she said the reverend’s words still hurt. Neither Mclendon nor Warren could be reached for comment on Oct. 7. Mclendon wrote that, originally, she and her child’s father requested a “baby dedication” for their daughter and were told yes. They received materials and the ceremony was announced at the church.

Later, they received the letter from Warren. “We are aware we sinned, but us repenting for that is between us and the Lord, not to be shamed by a church,” Mclendon wrote. “When people ask why there are no young people in these churches this is why.” According to the United Methodist Church’s “Book of Discipline,” the church only supports sex between heterosexual, married couples. “Although all persons are sexual beings whether or not they are married, sexual relations are affirmed only with the covenant of monogamous, heterosexual marriage,” the book says.

In his letter, Warren wrote that performing the ceremony for Mclendon’s daughter would be setting a bad example. “I feel that if I were to perform this ceremony in our church it would set a bad example for our Youth and children,” he wrote. “It would be saying to them that the lifestyle you are living is ok for a Christian. That is not so.” The superintendent for the district where the church is located, Rev. Dr. Larry Hilliard, wrote in an email to McClatchy News that he could not give out information about a particular family, but said that all who wish to baptize their children are welcome at the church. “The act of baptism is a holy gift that is given by God, to the person, by the action of the Holy Spirit,” the email says. “I can say that all who wish to unite with God through the sacrament of baptism are welcome in the United Methodist Church.” Mclendon wrote that the reverend’s letter was hurtful and damaging to her faith and that of other young people, and that she and her family members would no longer attend that church.. “My heart is breaking,” she wrote.

Read more at: www.sunherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article266962211.html#storylink=cpy

Turn the other cheek, etc

I got no problem with that.

1. You can choose another priest/church.

2. If any church isn't allowed to have their set of rules, what's the point of it anyway?

She wasn't ashamed to be having premarital sex. She wasn't ashamed to get knocked up out of wedlock. But NOW it's a problem and so important for her religion to be part of the baby's life NOW? Can't you see how weird that sorta thinking is?

[merh]

Oct 9, 2022 12:46:21 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 9, 2022 4:51:53 GMT merh said:

Roe v Wade is  just the beginning
Turn the other cheek, etc

I got no problem with that.

1. You can choose another priest/church.

2. If any church isn't allowed to have their set of rules, what's the point of it anyway?

She wasn't ashamed to be having premarital sex. She wasn't ashamed to get knocked up out of wedlock. But NOW it's a problem and so important for her religion to be part of the baby's life NOW? Can't you see how weird that sorta thinking is?

One could argue Jesus was the result of premarital sex.

There were apparently some tales Mary was raped by a Roman Soldier.

[abbey1227]

Oct 9, 2022 19:01:02 GMT merh said:

Oct 9, 2022 12:46:21 GMT abbey1227 said:

I got no problem with that.

1. You can choose another priest/church.

2. If any church isn't allowed to have their set of rules, what's the point of it anyway?

She wasn't ashamed to be having premarital sex. She wasn't ashamed to get knocked up out of wedlock. But NOW it's a problem and so important for her religion to be part of the baby's life NOW? Can't you see how weird that sorta thinking is?

One could argue Jesus was the result of premarital sex.

There were apparently some tales Mary was raped by a Roman Soldier.

One could argue ANYTHING even citing the Bible as a source.

Also, if you believe in that story, it wasn't sex........like Zeus used to do, it was Yahweh simply implanting the seed in her womb. The movie Snatch has an excellent commentary on that.

I have never heard that one........but it could be a great example of how to undermine your opponent's beliefs at every turn. 

[merh]

Oct 10, 2022 3:26:54 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 9, 2022 19:01:02 GMT merh said:

One could argue Jesus was the result of premarital sex.

There were apparently some tales Mary was raped by a Roman Soldier.

One could argue ANYTHING even citing the Bible as a source.

Also, if you believe in that story, it wasn't sex........like Zeus used to do, it was Yahweh simply implanting the seed in her womb. The movie Snatch has an excellent commentary on that.

I have never heard that one........but it could be a great example of how to undermine your opponent's beliefs at every turn. 

His line in one of his special is Mary was a girl who stuck with her story.

[abbey1227]

Oct 10, 2022 5:43:37 GMT merh said:

His line in one of his special is Mary was a girl who stuck with her story.

Bill Burr had a good one too about mocking other religions........while he still believed in a God that was born to a virgin and later walked on water

[merh]

I remember him.
He became an actor

TIL Marjoe Gortner is an Evangelical preacher who decided to pull the curtain back on the scams he and other preachers used. He invited a crew to film behind the scenes as he revealed tricks of the trade and the sacks full of cash he earned nightly. It won the '72 Academy Award Best Documentary

He became a celebrity again during the 1970s when he starred in Marjoe (1972), a behind-the-scenes documentary about the lucrative business of Pentecostal preaching, which won the 1972 Academy Award for Best Documentary Film. That documentary now is noted as one of the most vehement criticisms of Pentecostal preaching

Hugh Marjoe Ross Gortner was born in 1944 in Long Beach, California, into a family with a long evangelical heritage. The name "Marjoe" is a portmanteau of the biblical names "Mary" and "Joseph". His father, Vernon Robert Gortner, was a third-generation Christian evangelical minister who preached at revivals. His mother Marge, who has been labelled as "exuberant," was the person who introduced him as a preacher, and is notable for his success as a child. Vernon noticed his son's talent for mimicry and his fearlessness of strangers and public settings. His parents claimed the boy had received a vision from God during a bath, and he started preaching. Marjoe later said that was a fictional story that his parents forced him to repeat. He claimed they compelled him to do that by using mock-drowning episodes; they did not beat him as they did not want to leave bruises that might be noticed during his many public appearances.

They trained him to deliver sermons, complete with dramatic gestures and emphatic lunges. When he was four, his parents arranged for him to perform a marriage ceremony attended by the press, including photographers from Life and Paramount studios. Until his teenage years, Gortner and his parents traveled throughout the United States holding revival meetings, and by 1951 his younger brother Vernoe had been incorporated into the act. As well as teaching Marjoe scriptural passages, his parents also taught him several money-raising tactics, including the sale of supposedly "holy" articles at revivals. He would promise that such items could be used to heal the sick and dying.

By the time he was sixteen, his family had amassed what he later estimated to be three million dollars. Shortly after Gortner's sixteenth birthday, his father absconded with the money. Disillusioned, Gortner then left his mother for San Francisco.

In the years that followed, Gortner took a break from preaching. He grew resentful of his parents and bitter over the childhood they had forced upon him. At age 20, Gortner considered suing his parents, but never did.

Career
Gortner spent the remainder of his teenage years as an itinerant beatnik. Hard pressed for money in his early twenties, he decided to put his old skills to work and re-emerged on the preaching circuit with a charismatic stage show modeled after those of contemporary rock stars, most notably Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones. He made enough money to take six months off every year, during which he returned to California and lived off his earnings before returning to the circuit.

In the late 1960s, Gortner experienced a crisis of conscience about his double life. He decided his performing talents might be put to use as an actor or singer. When approached by documentarians Howard Smith and Sarah Kernochan, he agreed to let their film crew follow him throughout 1971 on a final tour of revival meetings in California, Texas, and Michigan.

Unknown to everyone involved – including, at one point, his father – he gave "backstage" interviews to the filmmakers between sermons and revivals, some including other preachers, explaining intimate details of how he and other ministers operated. The filmmakers also shot footage of him while counting the money he had collected during the day, later in his hotel room. The resulting film, Marjoe, won the 1972 Academy Award for Best Documentary

[abbey1227]

Oct 12, 2022 23:51:38 GMT merh said:

I remember him.
He became an actorHe always was an actor. 

[merh]

Oct 13, 2022 13:57:05 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 12, 2022 23:51:38 GMT merh said:

I remember him.
He became an actorHe always was an actor. 

But the problem is he lacked a real childhood.
His folks used him from age 4 to make their money

He was well trained 

Hasn't acted since 1995.
Hosted celebrity golf tournaments, but retired in 2010

[abbey1227]

Oct 13, 2022 16:20:52 GMT merh said:

Oct 13, 2022 13:57:05 GMT abbey1227 said:

But the problem is he lacked a real childhood.
His folks used him from age 4 to make their money

He was well trained 

Hasn't acted since 1995.
Hosted celebrity golf tournaments, but retired in 2010

Sounds a bit like Greta, huh? 

[merh]

Obviously no one is doing this

[abbey1227]

Oct 15, 2022 20:05:57 GMT merh said:

Obviously no one is doing this

it's not God bless America.........it's God damn America

[merh]

Oct 16, 2022 11:41:39 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 15, 2022 20:05:57 GMT merh said:

Obviously no one is doing this

it's not God bless America.........it's God damn America

So you think churches should endorse candidates?

It applies to all non profits so you could turn in PP

[merh]

The embattled rapper claimed on the "Drink Champs" podcast that Los Angeles stadium bookings were canceled and 'White Lives Matter' shirts withheld after his now infamous "Death Con 3" tweet against Jewish people.

TEXT:

After a controversial and troubling couple of weeks, Kanye West returned to Drink Champs for Round Three with hosts N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN. While the 45-minute interview hasn’t been posted to YouTube, it can be viewed on the Revolt TV website.

After a brief introduction, West immediately went into a diatribe about “the Jewish people,” arguing that he’s not an anti-Semite because he’s also a Jew “as the blood of Christ.” However, he then went on a rant about how the Jewish people control all facets of media and entertainment, even blaming “Jewish Zionists” for recent news stories about how his ex-wife Kim Kardashian and her ex-boyfriend Pete Davidson (who Kanye called “a heroin addict”) have sex in front of a fireplace.

"Jewish people have owned the Black voice,” West said. “Either it’s through us wearing the Ralph Lauren shirt, or it’s all of us being signed to a record label, or having a Jewish manager, or being signed to a Jewish basketball team, or doing a movie on a Jewish platform like Disney. I respect what the Jewish people have done, and how they brought their people together.”

West also complained about how Dov Charney — the (Jewish) Los Angeles Apparel founder who printed Kanye’s controversial White Lives Matter Shirts — refused to release the shirts after West’s “Death con 3 on Jewish People” tweet; Charney encouraged West to visit the Holocaust Museum, to which West told him to visit Planned Parenthood, “our Holocaust Museum.”

West claimed that he had four concerts planned for Los Angeles So-Fi Stadium, but the bookings were canceled by the stadium owners following his Death Con 3 tweet. “They been fucking with me for too long,” West said. “They put the crazy narrative out there.”

“Paparazzi taking a photo of you, you ain’t getting no money off of it. You’re used to getting screwed by the Jewish media,” West added. “And I’m saying, you poked the bear too fucking long.”

He then wondered if N.O.R.E. would even run the Drink Champs episode, as West’s appearance on The Shop was withheld from broadcast over what statements he said on that show. “They blocked me out. The Jewish media blocked me out,” West said. “I’m lit. J.P. Morgan, I put a $140 million in J.P. Morgan, and they treated me like shit. So if J.P. Morgan Chase is treating me like that, how they treating the rest of y’all?”

After calling out the Kardashians, Puff Daddy and Meek Mill, West likened himself to Michael — Jackson, Jordan, Corleone “every Michael you can think of,” he said — and, as the reported richest black man in American history, West said, “I want y’all to run up on me, I want y’all to come kill me, I want you to smack me, I want you to do all this shit you rap about… Otherwise shut the fuck up, unless you was there when the Kardashians kidnapped my kids.”

Later in the conversation, West explained his “Death Con 3” tweet — and acknowledged that it’s supposed to be Defcon, “I spelled it wrong, I have a tendency to do that” — by saying that “Defcon is actually that you’re preparing to protect yourself.” “Once they cancel four So-Fi Stadiums because of what’s classified as wrong-think… because it’s very important to have the black vote in groupthink, and not separate from the thought and being completely in line with the Left, the Jewish media and the Chinese.” West added of China, “They got something to do with everything.”

At the end of the interview – which Drink Champs tacked with a “To Be Continued…” – West said his provoking of the media is perhaps connected to a 2024 presidential run. “The only possible way that I’m gonna win is, early on, call out the Jewish media, because they’ll play nice with you.”

In his previous appearance, he talked his longstanding rivalry with Drake, comparing it to being competitive in sports. This time he didn’t allude to there being a competition and he paid accolades. “Drake is the greatest rapper ever, and I don’t apologize about it,” he said, though they joked about West going at Drake in the past.

While the episode is being touted as “Drink Champs 3” with West, the rapper technically only appeared on the show once before, which was presented as a two-part interview.

In the first part that aired in November, he addressed the 2009 controversy from the VMAs with Taylor Swift, his breakup with Kim Kardashian, Drake beef, and more. In Part Two that aired shortly after, he discussed Gangster Disciple founder Larry Hoover, who is serving a life sentence in federal prison, mental health, and his Yeezy brand.

His appearance on Drink Champs arrives at a time when West has been under deep scrutiny for his anti-Semitic posts, which capped off a week earlier this month where he participated in a confounding two-part interview with Tucker Carlson on Fox News and earned condemnation for showcasing “White Lives Matter” T-shirts during a fashion show in Paris. By week’s end, he was restricted from posting on Twitter and Instagram.

It didn’t get any better this week, when leaked outtakes from his Carlson interview Vice published on Tuesday revealed that Carlson’s production team cut out various antisemitic comments from the aired version of the interview. His comments have received accolades from white supremacists. Oh, and he spent some time with alt-right darling Candace Owens, when he supported her at her documentary premiere, The Greatest Lie Ever Sold: George Floyd and the Rise of BLM.

www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kanye-west-drink-champs-zionists-pete-davidson-kardashians-1234612003/

[abbey1227]

Oct 16, 2022 17:05:38 GMT merh said:

So you think churches should endorse candidates?

It applies to all non profits so you could turn in PP

heheheh   you figure PP isn't endorsing and supporting candidates? Really?

I find this all part of the discussion on morality and principles in general. While I am not a Bible thumper, I do wonder how and where people are getting their personal beliefs of right/wrong from?

Sure seems to be a lack of it in many cases we see in the news and across the world.

[merh]

Oct 17, 2022 10:59:11 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 16, 2022 17:05:38 GMT merh said:

So you think churches should endorse candidates?

It applies to all non profits so you could turn in PP

heheheh   you figure PP isn't endorsing and supporting candidates? Really?

I find this all part of the discussion on morality and principles in general. While I am not a Bible thumper, I do wonder how and where people are getting their personal beliefs of right/wrong from?

Sure seems to be a lack of it in many cases we see in the news and across the world.

So only religion can instill morality?

[abbey1227]

Oct 17, 2022 12:34:05 GMT merh said:

Oct 17, 2022 10:59:11 GMT abbey1227 said:

heheheh   you figure PP isn't endorsing and supporting candidates? Really?

I find this all part of the discussion on morality and principles in general. While I am not a Bible thumper, I do wonder how and where people are getting their personal beliefs of right/wrong from?

Sure seems to be a lack of it in many cases we see in the news and across the world.

So only religion can instill morality?

again, all or nothing?

I ASK the question.

Since I'm not a Bible thumper, I certainly think I and others are totally capable of being moral and behaving responsibly WITHOUT religion.

Now you tell me........WHERE are people finding their morality these days? Do you see it in decline? Or not?

I know fundamentally people have not changed for centuries upon centuries. The difference is the cultures they are involved in.

[merh]

INSIDER
An influencer who begged followers for donations saying she 'accidentally' bought a $100,000 couch appeared to suggest the whole story was part of a prank
Charissa Cheong
Mon, October 17, 2022 at 5:02 AM

Blackwell said she "was joking" when she entered her card details to pay for the couch, but the website charged her account.Quenlin Blackwell via TikTok.
A TikToker said she accidentally bought a $100,000 couch, asking for donations to support her.

Quenlin Blackwell said she entered her card details as a joke but was charged for the couch.

She later appeared to reveal that the story was a prank, angering her social media commenters.

A TikTok influencer who said she "accidentally" bought a $100,000 couch is facing backlash after appearing to reveal the whole thing was a prank.

On October 6, Quenlin Blackwell, 21, posted a video where she appeared to be crying and begged TikTok viewers for donations, saying she entered her card details into an online bid for a couch but that she "was joking" when she put her card information in, and did not expect to be charged. An on-screen caption on the post read, "I accidentally bought a $100,000 couch."

Following a week of comments expressing skepticism at her story, Blackwell posted a follow-up on October 13, uploading an image of a couch, which had holes and stains on it, on her Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok accounts.

A statement under the posts read, "THIS COUCH WAS WORTH IT ALL." Blackwell named the couch "Troll dé onlywind," and added, "I am so grateful and lucky to own this piece. Thank you all for the help…I now own art."

Commenters said they thought Blackwell's statement suggested she was pranking them with her earlier videos.

"The fact that she really tricked us," and "YALL SHES KIDDING," TikTok commeters wrote.

On Twitter, followers criticized Blackwell for posting the series, saying, "girl I hate this bit," and "it really wasn't funny."

"Happy as hell to see you losing steady followers for this," wrote another commenter.

On the day Blackwell tweeted the statement, she lost 1,283 Twitter followers, and lost a further 3,898 followers over the next four days, according to analytics social tracker SocialBlade. She currently has 1.7 million Twitter followers.

Blackwell's original video about the "accidental" purchase of the couch has 8.4 million views as of Monday. In it, she asked, "If you have a million dollars could you please donate? If you have a billion dollars can you let me borrow some please?"

Commenters under Blackwell's video said they did not understand why she would enter her card details if she did not intend to buy the couch.

"Girl who puts in card info as a JOKE," read one top comment with 52,000 likes. "ILY BUT WHY PUT YOUR INFO IN," said another commenter.

On October 10, Blackwell posted a follow-up TikTok that was captioned, "They won't give me a refund on the couch." She said she was planning to set up an OnlyFans account to make money, "I don't want to, but I'm going to have to," adding that she also needed money for dental work and to replace a side mirror on her car.

"I don't want to do a job. I'm about to throw up because I know they didn't refund me," she said in the video.

Blackwell added a link to an OnlyFans account in her Instagram bio.

Some commenters under Blackwell's second TikTok said they did not believe her story was true.

"You been taking acting classes huh," and "she gotta be prankin us," commenters said.

Blackwell declined to respond to Insider's request for comment.

Blackwell has been active on TikTok since late 2019, typically posting dance and vlog-style videos. She also runs a YouTube channel that has 950,000 subscribers, where she posts lifestyle and cooking content.

In October 2020, when she was 19, she caused a stir by saying in a TikTok Live that she was living with then-41-year-old DJ and producer Diplo. He responded in a tweet saying he rented one of his properties to her but there was "nothing but friendship" between the pair, which she confirmed.

Influencers tend to receive support when they ask followers to donate to charitable causes, but often face scrutiny when asking their viewers for money to use for personal reasons.

In March, Insider reported that weight-loss influencer Lexi Reed, who has more than 1 million Instagram followers, was criticized for setting up a GoFundMe page to pay for medical costs after saying she was hospitalized for organ failure. Reed told Insider that because she is an influencer "people seem to think I'm some sort of millionaire," adding that it was "far from" the truth.

We've discussed this.
Too many con people

[merh]

Leslie Jordan, 'Will & Grace' and 'Call Me Kat' actor, dies in car crash at age 67
Suzy Byrne
Suzy Byrne
Mon, October 24, 2022 at 11:46 AM PDT
Leslie Jordan, the comedic actor from Will & Grace, Murphy Brown and Call Me Kat, has died at age 67.

His spokesperson confirmed the news on Monday afternoon to the Associated Press, saying, "The world is definitely a much darker place today without the love and light of Leslie Jordan. Not only was he a mega talent and joy to work with, but he provided an emotional sanctuary to the nation at one of its most difficult times. Knowing that he has left the world at the height of both his professional and personal life is the only solace one can have today."

According to the Los Angeles Times, Jordan was driving his BMW Hollywood on Monday at 9:30 a.m. when his car crashed into a building. It is suspected he suffered from a medical emergency. He was declared dead at the scene.

Born and raised in Chattanooga, Tenn., Jordan began his Hollywood career in the 1980s. He called Murphy Brown in 1989 his break. He went on to appear in TV's Hearts Afire a few years later and became even more well known as Beverley Leslie in Will & Grace, which he played during its original run and when it was brought back in the late 2010s. He won an Emmy for Outstanding Guest Actor in a Comedy Series for the role in 2006. Jordan also appeared in Ryan Murphy's American Horror Story franchise, Call Me Kat alongside Mayim Bialik and The Cool Kids. (One role that he was up for that didn't get was Sanford in Sex and the City, he told Yahoo Entertainment in 2021.)

While he racked up many credits as a comedic actor, he experienced a different kind of fame during the pandemic — as an internet star. During the early days of lockdown, he posted videos a few times a day, waxing about being bored at home telling stories about Hollywood or showing himself exercising. He amassed a big follow, currently with 5.8 million Instagram followers.

"During the pandemic, I posted twice a day for 80 days," Jordan told Yahoo Entertainment in 2021. "And my friend called from Tennessee and said, 'You've gone viral!' And I said, 'No, honey, I'm fine. I'm in Tennessee with my mother. I don't have the virus.'" As for his social media success, he said he didn't have any help: "I figured it out all myself."

Jordan's last Instagram post was just Sunday, what he dubbed "Sunday Mornin' Hymn Singin'" along with musician and songwriter Danny Myrick. "Danny helped me with a new original song that should be comin' out real soon," he wrote, signing off with, "Love. Light. Leslie."

Jordan's internet fame led to a book deal, 2021's How Y'all Doing?: Misadventures and Mischief from a Life Well Lived. In his book as well as in many interviews, Jordan detailed his personal struggles with humor. He battled alcoholism and had multiple DUI arrests that landed him in jail. At one point in the late 1990s, he briefly shared a cell with Robert Downey Jr., with whom he'd later guest-star on Ally McBeal.

"I ended up in the pokey," he told The Guardian in 2021."That's what I tell people: if you want to get sober, try 27 days in the L.A. men’s county jail. That will sober your ass up." It did — and he had been in recovery for 22 years.

Jordan has said that his struggles stemmed from growing up gay and in conservative Tennessee.

"There's a line that my friend Del Shores [creator of Sordid Lives] uses that’s so poignant: We learn to hate ourselves in a church pew," he told Out Smart magazine in 2012. "Until you've gone through that — sat in a Baptist church in the 1960s — you can't understand. There was so much shame over who I was. I've been baptized 14 times because I just didn’t think it ever took. I started drinking and doing drugs when I was 14 because that was my way of dealing with being gay — it was a lot easier when I was loaded. When I finally got sober at 42, I was riddled with internal homophobia. What it finally took was me getting rid of all that I learned growing up."

Jordan had really embraced what his fame in later life had brought him and told Yahoo that Call Me Kat was his favorite job to date.

"I hope that it comes through how much fun we're having," he said of playing an employee at the cat cafe owned by Bialik's character, Kat. "You know, I've got 30 or 40 years in the business, and I really think this is my favorite job."

But I'm sure ABBEY thinks his addiction was all him & not being told endlessly there was something wrong with him.

RIP.

[abbey1227]

Oct 24, 2022 20:33:31 GMT merh said:

Leslie Jordan, 'Will & Grace' and 'Call Me Kat' actor, dies in car crash at age 67
Suzy Byrne

But I'm sure ABBEY thinks his addiction was all him & not being told endlessly there was something wrong with him.

RIP.

His experiences back then were a bit different than the environment has been the last few decades.    But it still comes down to how one responds to the adversity in life.

Tons of people are addicts and weren't gay. And many gay people never become addicts. 

I mostly just noticed his age. Nowhere near that life expectancy you've been hoping for