Trump supporters hate America

[abbey1227]

Mar 14, 2022 6:36:41 GMT LokisMom said:

Mar 14, 2022 6:21:18 GMT abbey1227 said:

Then name one "servant of the people." Or does the fabled creature actually exist? 

I'm of the mind there are indeed people like that.

Some are teachers, some are cops, some are social workers and some are even politicians.

But what usually happens is they get burned out by reality.........or if they're truly incorruptible .......then they're not allowed to rise above a certain station within the system.

[LokisMom]

Mar 14, 2022 7:06:00 GMT abbey1227 said:

Mar 14, 2022 6:36:41 GMT LokisMom said:

Then name one "servant of the people." Or does the fabled creature actually exist? 

I'm of the mind there are indeed people like that.

Some are teachers, some are cops, some are social workers and some are even politicians.

But what usually happens is they get burned out by reality.........or if they're truly incorruptible .......then they're not allowed to rise above a certain station within the system.

The most incorruptible man in the Western mind was Jesus Christ. Look what happened to him. Like you say, some of them do exist, but humans for some reason hate these kinds of people more than they do the most corruptible. 

I love the line on the subject from Rod Steiger's character in the movie Dr Zhivago: 

There are two kinds of men and only two. And that young man is one kind. He is high-minded. He is pure. He's the kind of man the world pretends to look up to, and in fact despises. He is the kind of man who breeds unhappiness, particularly in women. Do you understand?

[abbey1227]

Mar 14, 2022 7:10:56 GMT LokisMom said:

Mar 14, 2022 7:06:00 GMT abbey1227 said:

The most incorruptible man in the Western mind was Jesus Christ. Look what happened to him. Like you say, some of them do exist, but humans for some reason hate these kinds of people more than they do the most corruptible. 

I love the line on the subject from Rod Steiger's character in the movie Dr Zhivago: 

There are two kinds of men and only two. And that young man is one kind. He is high-minded. He is pure. He's the kind of man the world pretends to look up to, and in fact despises. He is the kind of man who breeds unhappiness, particularly in women. Do you understand?

Exactly. That's probably how we end up with the type of people we have in DC

Very fitting a line from a movie based around the well known collectivist happenings of that time.

"No doubt they'll sing in tune after the revolution."  Sounds like similar sentiments these days, too

[LokisMom]

Mar 14, 2022 7:22:32 GMT abbey1227 said:

Mar 14, 2022 7:10:56 GMT LokisMom said:

The most incorruptible man in the Western mind was Jesus Christ. Look what happened to him. Like you say, some of them do exist, but humans for some reason hate these kinds of people more than they do the most corruptible. 

I love the line on the subject from Rod Steiger's character in the movie Dr Zhivago: 

There are two kinds of men and only two. And that young man is one kind. He is high-minded. He is pure. He's the kind of man the world pretends to look up to, and in fact despises. He is the kind of man who breeds unhappiness, particularly in women. Do you understand?

Exactly. That's probably how we end up with the type of people we have in DC

Very fitting a line from a movie based around the well known collectivist happenings of that time.

"No doubt they'll sing in tune after the revolution."  Sounds like similar sentiments these days, too

Apparently that's what we end up with conmen like Trump. And please stop comparing the corruption levels, if any, in the Democratic Party with the GOP where you can't succeed unless you are corrupt in both body and spirit. Here again, you have your rationale set up where you can never lose an argument...even with yourself. 

[abbey1227]

Mar 14, 2022 9:09:32 GMT LokisMom said:

Apparently that's what we end up with conmen like Trump. And please stop comparing the corruption levels, if any, in the Democratic Party with the GOP where you can't succeed unless you are corrupt in both body and spirit. Here again, you have your rationale set up where you can never lose an argument...even with yourself. 

Trump was the anomaly though. He wasn't even supposed to have a shot at winning, remember? The rest of the Establishment types were sure of that.

Why stop? I'm claiming they're both corrupt. Are you claiming only 1 is?

I lose lots of arguments. And sometimes not even because I'm wrong or mistaken, but simply because some people are better arguers.

[abbey1227]

Mar 14, 2022 3:40:06 GMT merh said:

Just look at the Establishment circle the wagons and spout the 1 party line...........

"Tulsi Gabbard is parroting false Russian propaganda. Her treasonous lies may well cost lives," Romney said in a tweet on Sunday afternoon.

Rep. Adam Kinzinger also lashed out at Gabbard in a tweet in response to her comments: "Actual Russian propaganda. Traitorous. Russia also said the Luger center in Georgia was making zombies. Tulsi should go to Russia."

[LokisMom]

Mar 14, 2022 9:30:40 GMT abbey1227 said:

Mar 14, 2022 9:09:32 GMT LokisMom said:

Apparently that's what we end up with conmen like Trump. And please stop comparing the corruption levels, if any, in the Democratic Party with the GOP where you can't succeed unless you are corrupt in both body and spirit. Here again, you have your rationale set up where you can never lose an argument...even with yourself. 

Trump was the anomaly though. He wasn't even supposed to have a shot at winning, remember? The rest of the Establishment types were sure of that.

Why stop? I'm claiming they're both corrupt. Are you claiming only 1 is?

I lose lots of arguments. And sometimes not even because I'm wrong or mistaken, but simply because some people are better arguers.

Trump is hardly an anomaly if the entire party, just about, backs him up. The movement cons and right wingers trampled each other to vote for the man. 

And you can add to your particular corruption list: 

The entire medical profession. 
All universities and research labs. 
Most major and minor league sports teams. 
Most corporations doing business overseas. 
School teachers. 
Hollywood. 
Unions. 
The mainstream and other stream media.
The military, the FBI, national security services. 
Anything that has a liberal in it. 
BLM, antifia, etc, etc. 

There is much corruption going on that I'm surprised a person like you so demanding of purity has not kill himself yet. 





 

[abbey1227]

Mar 14, 2022 10:18:09 GMT LokisMom said:

Trump is hardly an anomaly if the entire party, just about, backs him up. The movement cons and right wingers trampled each other to vote for the man. 

And you can add to your particular corruption list: 

The entire medical profession. 
All universities and research labs. 
Most major and minor league sports teams. 
Most corporations doing business overseas. 
School teachers. 
Hollywood. 
Unions. 
The mainstream and other stream media.
The military, the FBI, national security services. 
Anything that has a liberal in it. 
BLM, antifia, etc, etc. 

There is much corruption going on that I'm surprised a person like you so demanding of purity has not kill himself yet.

Did they, though? Or did they mostly just bide their time and pretend? Did they repeal the ACA like they'd promised for years? Did they bring him a Balanced Budget? or major cuts to Govt Spending? Did they even get the wall built?

Nope. They grinned and beared it for 4 years while stalling........all the while supporting the Establishment that never really loses control over things.

You don't think there's those mythical good people in nursing or physicians?

WOW! With that list you seem even more suspicious and cynical than me.    Good on ya.

Why kill myself? I'm just isolating and enjoying the show from afar.

But for the record, I consider myself really liberal when it comes to individual freedoms and rights. YOU can do whatever you want on your own time & dime, as far as I'm concerned. Just leave all unwilling participants out of it, that's all. Drugs, sex, rock N roll, abortion, suicide, etc etc etc   Have at 'er

[merh]

Mar 14, 2022 9:30:40 GMT abbey1227 said:

Mar 14, 2022 9:09:32 GMT LokisMom said:

Apparently that's what we end up with conmen like Trump. And please stop comparing the corruption levels, if any, in the Democratic Party with the GOP where you can't succeed unless you are corrupt in both body and spirit. Here again, you have your rationale set up where you can never lose an argument...even with yourself. 

Trump was the anomaly though. He wasn't even supposed to have a shot at winning, remember? The rest of the Establishment types were sure of that.

Why stop? I'm claiming they're both corrupt. Are you claiming only 1 is?

I lose lots of arguments. And sometimes not even because I'm wrong or mistaken, but simply because some people are better arguers.

He wasn't supposed to win because we all thought everyone cod see what a lying con man he was.

But the people who believe Ronnie was a war hero as was John Wayne & other movie stars, who see themselves as Mel Gibson in The Patriot, believed a reality show businessman who in real life seems to always bankrupt his businesses was a successful businessman & that somehow that should be applied to government.

Do you remember me telling you why government can't be run like a business? That businesses stop selling unprofitable things,  but government has to held the needy, etc?

[merh]

Mar 14, 2022 9:35:10 GMT abbey1227 said:

Mar 14, 2022 3:40:06 GMT merh said:

Just look at the Establishment circle the wagons and spout the 1 party line...........

"Tulsi Gabbard is parroting false Russian propaganda. Her treasonous lies may well cost lives," Romney said in a tweet on Sunday afternoon.

Rep. Adam Kinzinger also lashed out at Gabbard in a tweet in response to her comments: "Actual Russian propaganda. Traitorous. Russia also said the Luger center in Georgia was making zombies. Tulsi should go to Russia."

You like her?

I always thought the guys over on V2 supporting her did so because they thought she was hot.

[merh]

[abbey1227]

Mar 14, 2022 14:54:55 GMT merh said:

Mar 14, 2022 9:30:40 GMT abbey1227 said:

Trump was the anomaly though. He wasn't even supposed to have a shot at winning, remember? The rest of the Establishment types were sure of that.

Why stop? I'm claiming they're both corrupt. Are you claiming only 1 is?

I lose lots of arguments. And sometimes not even because I'm wrong or mistaken, but simply because some people are better arguers.

He wasn't supposed to win because we all thought everyone cod see what a lying con man he was.

But the people who believe Ronnie was a war hero as was John Wayne & other movie stars, who see themselves as Mel Gibson in The Patriot, believed a reality show businessman who in real life seems to always bankrupt his businesses was a successful businessman & that somehow that should be applied to government.

Do you remember me telling you why government can't be run like a business? That businesses stop selling unprofitable things,  but government has to held the needy, etc?

And yet you thought nobody would notice what lying cons Obama, Hillary and Joe are?

If every bus8iness venture he embarked on ended in bankruptcy, he'd never get another loan from a bank......docha think?

Govt IS operating as if bankruptcy is the goal, though.

Govt does not have to help the needy. It has assumed the role of charities, but that is not it's domain, imo

[abbey1227]

Mar 14, 2022 14:57:40 GMT merh said:

You like her?

I always thought the guys over on V2 supporting her did so because they thought she was hot.

She is hot........but she also makes more sense than most in DC

[merh]

www.dcreport.org/2022/03/14/conservatives-say-california-is-a-disaster-but-facts-show-the-opposite/

Conservatives Say California Is A Disaster, But Facts Show The Opposite
By MAX TAVES March 14, 2022

Unless you’ve been hiding under a rock for decades, you’ve probably noticed that conservatives hate California. It’s an obsession.

Donald Trump’s disdain for the state is well known. But conservative anti-California hatred goes far beyond the ex-occupant of the Oval Office.

The enduring sources of these fusillades are conservative thought leaders. And as they portray it, California is a failing Banana Republic.

In their jaundiced view, the Golden State is a violent, poverty-stricken homeless dystopia that is overrun by thieves.

The facts show that California attracts more capital, creates more wealth, generates jobs with better pay, suffers lower rates of work-related fatalities and has safer streets and longer lives.

Short on facts, they’ve even stooped to posting a doctored video in an attempt to show that Black gang members were so fed up with crime that they stopped looters in Long Beach, a city of a half-million people. And they assert that California is run by street gangs and misled by incompetent criminal-coddling politicians whose radical, immigrant-loving, left-wing agenda is horrible for businesses, which supposedly are leaving the state in droves.

Yet some states beloved by the right are far more dangerous, data on reported crimes show.

For the haters, California is the quintessence of liberalism’s—or socialism’s—failure. All of the state’s problems, in the view of these self-proclaimed conservatives, are always the direct fault of its “far-left” policies. Always.

In a broadcast called “The slow, painful death of California,” Fox News host Tucker Carlson asserted: “The policies that destroyed America’s largest and most economically important state are heading your way.” Significantly, Carlson got out of a lawsuit after Carlson’s lawyers argued that you can’t believe what he says.

Never one to resist attacking California, The Wall Street Journal editorial board ran an editorial titled “California’s Covid Woes.” It obsessed over overcrowded hospitals and long wait times, which it blamed on MediCal, the state’s medical care program for the poor. It is another favorite target of Journal editorial disdain.

Curiously, the WSJ’s attack, which compared California’s Covid record unfavorably with Texas’, never mentioned a crucial fact: California’s Covid mortality rate was 30% below that of Texas and 36% below the nation as a whole.

Of course, there’s little wonder why the Journal editorial board omitted that statistic: including it would vitiate their argument. After all, it’s pretty hard to portray California’s response to the pandemic as a horror when its death rate from this pernicious virus is well below the rest of America.

That omission illustrates what’s missing from conservative jeremiads. It’s their tell.

Here’s what you won’t read in their screeds, starting with what arguably is the biggest lie about California:

Business and Investment
While California is home to 12% of the U.S. population, it attracted 47% of the most sought-after investment dollars deployed nationwide last year, according to National Venture Capital Association data.

The $156 billion of venture capital invested in California firms in 2021 was a 79% increase over its 2020 haul. And the 2020 sum was a 29% increase over 2019.

Far from a state in economic decline, California attracted more capital last year than at any point in the NVCA’s data set going back to 2005.

California is the most populous state so those total figures could suggest the state fell short in these investments when examined per person. But no. California got nearly four times its share per capital of all such investments in America.

Productivity
California is the fifth most productive population in the country, federal Bureau of Economic Analysis data posted at Statista.com show.

In 2019, California’s economic output per person was $79,000, almost 22% above the national average of $65,000, (Editor’s note: adjusted the data to 2019 dollars.)

Income, Wealth and Poverty
The typical California household took home more than 45 other states; 22% more than American households overall. The nearly $15,000 in extra income has not, however, deflated the state’s poverty rate. It is persistently high at 11.8%, yet still below such darlings of conservatives as Mississippi (19.5%), Louisiana (18.8%), Arkansas (16%), Alabama (15.6%) and Oklahoma (15.1%), federal data show.

A state study in 2019 found that while California is 12% of the American population, its residents own 17% of American wealth despite its high taxes and environmental protections. Of course it’s hard to get rich in states that don’t provide the commonwealth benefits that foster wealth creation and high-paying jobs with benefits such as quality research universities that Californians have long supported.

Crime
You were more likely to get killed in 27 other states than in California, the federal Center for Disease Control (CDC) reported for 2020. Interestingly, you were far more likely to get killed in Mitch McConnell’s Kentucky than the Golden State. The highest rates were in Louisiana and Mississippi, more than triple the California rate, while the rates in Arkansas and Missouri were more than double the California rate.

Workplace Deaths
In 2019, California employees were less likely to die on the job than in 43 other states, according to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. The California rate was 2.5 deaths per 100,000 workers compared with double that or slightly more in Louisiana, Montana and West Virginia; more than three times more in Alaska and four times more in Wyoming.

Longevity
CDC data show that Californians live longer than the residents of all but one state – Hawaii, another state conservatives love to bash. Life expectancy in California is 80.8 years, more than six years longer than in bottom-ranked Mississippi and West Virginia, both beloved of conservatives. Hawaii bests California by about two months of extra life.

These are among many inconvenient facts for conservatives about how California, with its high taxes and environmental protections, outperforms America overall and the Southern, Midwest and Rocky Mountain states where conservatives have the most sway.

There’s a reason the right omits the facts in their commentaries, columns, editorials and cable television rants attacking California, its voters and their elected leaders.

California’s successes defy conservative cosmology, which holds that taxes, unions, workplace safety rules, environmental protections and immigrants repel capital, kill economies, hurt families and denigrate life itself.

The facts show that California attracts more capital, creates more wealth, generates jobs with better pay, suffers lower rates of work-related fatalities and has safer streets and longer lives.

Those successes flatly contradict what GOP orthodoxy predicts. But rather than confronting reality, conservatives are trying to re-write it by leaving out salient facts and as a result producing political fiction

pomonamike•8 hr. ago
When the Russian bots were preoccupied during the first weeks of the war, I saw a precipitous drop in “California hellhole” posts hitting the front page.

As a Californian, I see the pics and laugh, wow you found homeless people in Skid Row (where they’ve lived for 100 years, hence the name) or Venice Beach (which has always been an “alternative” enclave with poverty, but now the gentrifiers bought it all up and want to clear it out for their multi-million dollar mansions). Or that one damn train that got looted because the corporation that owned it and is responsible for policing it didn’t care because it was insured.

Yet every day I wake up in my decent house, go to my job a few miles away, come home and take my daughter to play at a city park, and go to sleep without having many negative experiences that fall outside a reasonable expectation of life

SasparillaTango•7 hr. ago
Anywhere warm during the winter will have homeless people. Lots in Fl.

EmptyCalories•8 hr. ago
My MAGA brother in Colorado tells me that California is a hell-hole all the time. He thinks there are homeless in everyone's yard and he has crazy notions about how the state government is literally telling people where to shop, what to do, how to tie our shoes. The things he believe are mind-boggling, like there's no way an adult should be stupid enough to believe the things he's saying... but he does

oldfrancis•7 hr. ago
I was born in California. I left California and I returned to California. I graduated high school there. I started a life there. Both of my daughters were born there.

When I went into the Air Force so much of my time in basic training was spent listening to everybody brag about their their state, and why it was better than California.

I didn't feel the need to defend the seventh largest economy in the world, in a state that contains examples of geography from all over this nation.

Tell me about your mountains, your seashore, the desert, the rainforests, farmland, the rivers...

I knew California was okay

jrzalman•7 hr. ago
If it keeps them from moving here, I'm perfectly fine with conservatives hating California. Good riddance

CheesesKReist•7 hr. ago
I have lived in Southern California for the last 25 years. Whenever I would hear conservative radio talk about California as though it were some dystopian socialist state, I had to laugh. It was clear that most of their audience did not live here. As nightmare dystopians go, we enjoy a very high quality of life.

bannacct56•9 hr. ago
Such a disaster that it's financing all your red States stupidity. Those welfare queens that Ronald Reagan used to talk about, that's u

AbsoluteBuffoon1776•8 hr. ago
Look no further than Mississippi and Kentucky. Both are deep red states, have absolutely abysmal schools, take more federal funds than they contribute in taxes, and continue to elect republicans against their own interest

But just keep believing the Fox propaganda

[merh]

Mar 15, 2022 2:15:49 GMT abbey1227 said:

Mar 14, 2022 14:54:55 GMT merh said:

He wasn't supposed to win because we all thought everyone cod see what a lying con man he was.

But the people who believe Ronnie was a war hero as was John Wayne & other movie stars, who see themselves as Mel Gibson in The Patriot, believed a reality show businessman who in real life seems to always bankrupt his businesses was a successful businessman & that somehow that should be applied to government.

Do you remember me telling you why government can't be run like a business? That businesses stop selling unprofitable things,  but government has to held the needy, etc?

And yet you thought nobody would notice what lying cons Obama, Hillary and Joe are?

If every bus8iness venture he embarked on ended in bankruptcy, he'd never get another loan from a bank......docha think?

Govt IS operating as if bankruptcy is the goal, though.

Govt does not have to help the needy. It has assumed the role of charities, but that is not it's domain, imo

His accounting firm quit & said the last 10 yrs of numbers are unreliable. 
He used a magazine article that said he was worth that much to get his loans, then continued fudging numbers.

Like I keep telling you, some Faustian Devil deal there.

And a lot of those banks seem to be shady themselves. 

[merh]

Palm Springs

[LokisMom]

Mar 15, 2022 2:15:49 GMT abbey1227 said:

Mar 14, 2022 14:54:55 GMT merh said:

He wasn't supposed to win because we all thought everyone cod see what a lying con man he was.

But the people who believe Ronnie was a war hero as was John Wayne & other movie stars, who see themselves as Mel Gibson in The Patriot, believed a reality show businessman who in real life seems to always bankrupt his businesses was a successful businessman & that somehow that should be applied to government.

Do you remember me telling you why government can't be run like a business? That businesses stop selling unprofitable things,  but government has to held the needy, etc?

And yet you thought nobody would notice what lying cons Obama, Hillary and Joe are?

If every bus8iness venture he embarked on ended in bankruptcy, he'd never get another loan from a bank......docha think?

Govt IS operating as if bankruptcy is the goal, though.

Govt does not have to help the needy. It has assumed the role of charities, but that is not it's domain, imo

Because they are not conning people. They are standard issue politicians and politics is messy. You think the world should be run with the efficiency and precision of a Hollywood action movie and the honesty of a Boy Scout troop. Well, Bruce Willis does not portray real people. Captain America does not exist. The only way for you to be totally satisfied that your interests supersedes everyone else’s in this nation is to vote in a dictator and hope the fuck he is nice, kind one who agrees with you. 

[abbey1227]

Mar 16, 2022 3:38:56 GMT merh said:

His accounting firm quit & said the last 10 yrs of numbers are unreliable. 
He used a magazine article that said he was worth that much to get his loans, then continued fudging numbers.

Like I keep telling you, some Faustian Devil deal there.

And a lot of those banks seem to be shady themselves. 

Well, then that tells me that his firm and the banks that made loans were unreliable in their ability to verify information.    Whose fault would that be?

He pulled an Inventing Anna stunt off for all these years? Again, doesn't say a lot for the banking and investment firms in this country.

They are shady......almost as shady as the Govt.

[merh]

Mar 16, 2022 6:10:07 GMT abbey1227 said:

Mar 16, 2022 3:38:56 GMT merh said:

His accounting firm quit & said the last 10 yrs of numbers are unreliable. 
He used a magazine article that said he was worth that much to get his loans, then continued fudging numbers.

Like I keep telling you, some Faustian Devil deal there.

And a lot of those banks seem to be shady themselves. 

Well, then that tells me that his firm and the banks that made loans were unreliable in their ability to verify information.    Whose fault would that be?

He pulled an Inventing Anna stunt off for all these years? Again, doesn't say a lot for the banking and investment firms in this country.

They are shady......almost as shady as the Govt.

But of course the liar is innocent.

Dude can't do any wrong in your eyes?

[abbey1227]

Mar 16, 2022 4:55:26 GMT LokisMom said:

Because they are not conning people. They are standard issue politicians and politics is messy. You think the world should be run with the efficiency and precision of a Hollywood action movie and the honesty of a Boy Scout troop. Well, Bruce Willis does not portray real people. Captain America does not exist. The only way for you to be totally satisfied that your interests supersedes everyone else’s in this nation is to vote in a dictator and hope the fuck he is nice, kind one who agrees with you. 

If collectivists can dream of a world where everyone works together, gets along and contributes.......then I can dream of a smaller, much more efficient govt.

Expecting to ever be totally satisfied is not very realistic. But I'm doing pretty well in that department despite the glaring problems in this country. Mostly because I've succeeded at isolating myself from most of them.