We Have No Bananas Today

[merh]

Dec 12, 2021 1:54:32 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 11, 2021 21:03:32 GMT merh said:

What a petty, scumbag move..........so typical of unions and the douchebags that support them.

Aw.
Now I'm a douchebag?

[abbey1227]

Dec 12, 2021 2:05:01 GMT merh said:

Dec 12, 2021 1:54:32 GMT abbey1227 said:

What a petty, scumbag move..........so typical of unions and the douchebags that support them.

Aw.
Now I'm a douchebag?

Did you help to keep others from applying for work? or keep an employer from finding workers?

Only you can answer that

The part that offends me is that those workers actually believe that Kelloggs belongs to them......and it does not.

They're more than welcome to pool their resources and start up another cereal corporation if they'd like. Til then.....go pound sand.

[merh]

Dec 12, 2021 2:27:49 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 12, 2021 2:05:01 GMT merh said:

Aw.
Now I'm a douchebag?

Did you help to keep others from applying for work? or keep an employer from finding workers?

Only you can answer that

The part that offends me is that those workers actually believe that Kelloggs belongs to them......and it does not.

They're more than welcome to pool their resources and start up another cereal corporation if they'd like. Til then.....go pound sand.

The guy who created Kellogs is long dead as well so Kellogs isn't exactly the  reator of the concept. 

They exist because workers do the work to get the product out so the workers deserve recognition. 

That was the concept behind Ford paying $5. 
The employees could afford to buy the product, free advertising & take pride in their product. Have a sense of ownership & pride in the completed product.

Gen Z don't play, dude

[abbey1227]

Dec 12, 2021 3:21:51 GMT merh said:

The guy who created Kellogs is long dead as well so Kellogs isn't exactly the  reator of the concept. 

They exist because workers do the work to get the product out so the workers deserve recognition. 

That was the concept behind Ford paying $5. 
The employees could afford to buy the product, free advertising & take pride in their product. Have a sense of ownership & pride in the completed product.

Gen Z don't play, dude

BS!

They exist because somebody, somewhere had an idea and ventured out on their own........took a risk.....and it paid off.

The insignificant little cogs that believe they own the factory now can die tomorrow and won't be missed. They only thing they deserve is what they've agreed to in wages and benefits. THAT's it.

Ford was in EXACTLY the same position many employers are in right now......... he couldn't get workers to show up, to stick around and be dependable. So he doubled the wages in order to keep them there.

Gen Z can get bent

The next Gen will replace them, too

I certainly won't be relying on their butts for anything

[merh]

Dec 12, 2021 16:27:56 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 12, 2021 3:21:51 GMT merh said:

The guy who created Kellogs is long dead as well so Kellogs isn't exactly the  reator of the concept. 

They exist because workers do the work to get the product out so the workers deserve recognition. 

That was the concept behind Ford paying $5. 
The employees could afford to buy the product, free advertising & take pride in their product. Have a sense of ownership & pride in the completed product.

Gen Z don't play, dude

BS!

They exist because somebody, somewhere had an idea and ventured out on their own........took a risk.....and it paid off.

The insignificant little cogs that believe they own the factory now can die tomorrow and won't be missed. They only thing they deserve is what they've agreed to in wages and benefits. THAT's it.

Ford was in EXACTLY the same position many employers are in right now......... he couldn't get workers to show up, to stick around and be dependable. So he doubled the wages in order to keep them there.

Gen Z can get bent

The next Gen will replace them, too

I certainly won't be relying on their butts for anything

Gen Z will be the people running things in a few years, dude.

Robert Half International defines Generation Z as "those born 1990 to 1999". Statistics Canada describe Generation Z as spanning from 1993 to 2011. Psychologist Jean Twenge has defined Generation Z as the "iGeneration" using a range of those born between 1995 and 2012. Australia's McCrindle Research Centre defines Generation Z as those born between 1995 and 2009. Various media outlets have used 1995 as the starting birth year to describe Gen Z, including United Press International, Financial Times, CNBC, and Bloomberg Law. The Center for Generational Kinetics defines Generation Z as those born from 1996 onward.

The Pew Research Center specified 1997 as their starting birth year for Generation Z, choosing this date for "different formative experiences", such as new technological developments and socioeconomic trends, as well as growing up in a world after the September 11 attacks. Pew has not specified an endpoint for Generation Z, but used 2012 as a tentative endpoint for their 2019 report

So by one definition, my kid is Gen Z instead of a millennial 

They are the people somewhere around 25 now on down so you are dealing with them.

Aware it would be easier to enter the United States from Canada, Musk applied for a Canadian passport through his Canadian-born mother. While awaiting the documentation, he attended the University of Pretoria for five months; this allowed Musk to avoid mandatory service in the South African military

So Elon Musk manipulated entry into the US. His South African ass might not have made the entry quota.

All the ideas in the world can't sell product if it can't get to the public. Look at now.

So tell me how insignificant workers are?

[merh]

[merh]

Dec 12, 2021 16:27:56 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 12, 2021 3:21:51 GMT merh said:

The guy who created Kellogs is long dead as well so Kellogs isn't exactly the  reator of the concept. 

They exist because workers do the work to get the product out so the workers deserve recognition. 

That was the concept behind Ford paying $5. 
The employees could afford to buy the product, free advertising & take pride in their product. Have a sense of ownership & pride in the completed product.

Gen Z don't play, dude

BS!

They exist because somebody, somewhere had an idea and ventured out on their own........took a risk.....and it paid off.

The insignificant little cogs that believe they own the factory now can die tomorrow and won't be missed. They only thing they deserve is what they've agreed to in wages and benefits. THAT's it.

Ford was in EXACTLY the same position many employers are in right now......... he couldn't get workers to show up, to stick around and be dependable. So he doubled the wages in order to keep them there.

Gen Z can get bent

The next Gen will replace them, too

I certainly won't be relying on their butts for anything

Apparently Musk didn't create any of those things.

Let's see...

Reusable rockets? We've had spaceshuttles for years. It's not really a new invention.

Hyperloop? Taking a concept from science fiction literature and saying you'll build it is not inventing. Afaik hyperloop does not work yet and even if it did, it would be highly impractical.

PayPal? Founded by Peter Thiel, bought by Elon with his fathers cash.

Tesla? Founded by Martin Eberhard, bought by Elon with his fathers cash.

Solar City? Founded by his cousins, bought by Elon with his fathers cash

BUT HE IS A CREATOR!!!

[merh]

[merh]

My worry about robot workers is one doesn't expect employers to be any better with repairs, so there I am picking up a robot burger that got caught in the machine for a week...

[abbey1227]

Dec 12, 2021 18:45:34 GMT merh said:

Gen Z will be the people running things in a few years, dude.
So by one definition, my kid is Gen Z instead of a millennial 

They are the people somewhere around 25 now on down so you are dealing with them.

Aware it would be easier to enter the United States from Canada, Musk applied for a Canadian passport through his Canadian-born mother. While awaiting the documentation, he attended the University of Pretoria for five months; this allowed Musk to avoid mandatory service in the South African military

So Elon Musk manipulated entry into the US. His South African ass might not have made the entry quota.

All the ideas in the world can't sell product if it can't get to the public. Look at now.

So tell me how insignificant workers are?

I'm not expecting much from them, it's just that simple. I'll 'deal with them' as little as possible.

So Elon used his mind and found an easier way to achieve his goal. Why is that a bad thing again? It's certainly benefited the US, no?

Replaceable cogs are just that. Keep watching.......see what happens when they perfect robotics to cover everything a human worker can do. REPLACED!

[abbey1227]

Dec 12, 2021 23:58:07 GMT merh said:

Says one of the oldest leaches and useless grifters in DC?

[abbey1227]

Dec 13, 2021 0:23:53 GMT merh said:

My worry about robot workers is one doesn't expect employers to be any better with repairs, so there I am picking up a robot burger that got caught in the machine for a week...

Can you tell yet that I respond to your posts one at a time.........and not read the entire thread before posting?

YEAH! Robot workers!

[merh]

Dec 13, 2021 3:57:11 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 12, 2021 23:58:07 GMT merh said:

Says one of the oldest leaches and useless grifters in DC?

I have said Bernie is a dreamer who gets nothing done. 

Doesn't mean I can't agree with things he says that I agree with.

You are a fanboy of one of the biggest grifters in this country.

He is sucking up donations, but it doesn't seem to get spent for anything it's supposed to be spent on.

One thing I learned from Colbert-PACs 

[abbey1227]

Dec 13, 2021 23:23:14 GMT merh said:

I have said Bernie is a dreamer who gets nothing done. 

Doesn't mean I can't agree with things he says that I agree with.

You are a fanboy of one of the biggest grifters in this country.

He is sucking up donations, but it doesn't seem to get spent for anything it's supposed to be spent on.

One thing I learned from Colbert-PACs

So you'd think DC would have welcomed him with open arms?    Apparently they just didn't like an outsider cutting in on their grift

DC is the prime example of $Trillions of wasted dollars

[merh]

Dec 14, 2021 0:29:46 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 13, 2021 23:23:14 GMT merh said:

I have said Bernie is a dreamer who gets nothing done. 

Doesn't mean I can't agree with things he says that I agree with.

You are a fanboy of one of the biggest grifters in this country.

He is sucking up donations, but it doesn't seem to get spent for anything it's supposed to be spent on.

One thing I learned from Colbert-PACs

So you'd think DC would have welcomed him with open arms?    Apparently they just didn't like an outsider cutting in on their grift

DC is the prime example of $Trillions of wasted dollars

Donald is a son of NYC
NYC hates him because they know him too well.
He is not a son they appreciate 

[abbey1227]

Dec 14, 2021 9:22:12 GMT merh said:

Dec 14, 2021 0:29:46 GMT abbey1227 said:

Donald is a son of NYC
NYC hates him because they know him too well.
He is not a son they appreciate 

Again, you're completely ignoring/dismissing all of the people that STILL did business with the guy. Apparently ALL of New York didn't hate him and refuse to work with or for him.

Gillibrand took his money still......like many others.

That's cuz he didn't push the Leftist agenda.

And yet you'll still argue states like Cali and New York aren't entirely Blue? They sure talk like it.......as if the loudest voices speak for everyone there.

[merh]

Donnie was a Democrat for years.
2001-2009.

Someone who works for Amazon posted a picture last night of the "Xmas dinner" the employees got this year. 2 bits of turkey served on a scoop of corn with a small scoop of potatoes (No gravy), some sort of orange goop on a bed of dark stuff he identified as sweet potatoes and cranberry sauce (dark stuff), a roll, apparently warmed since he said it melted the hershey's kiss laying on it. (Said that disappointed him. He looked forward to the kiss.) And a mini candy cane. All served in a cheap black slotted tray. Bezos really can put out a spread, can't he?

The Peasants' Revolt, also named Wat Tyler's Rebellion or the Great Rising, was a major uprising across large parts of England in 1381. The revolt had various causes, including the socio-economic and political tensions generated by the Black Death in the 1340s, the high taxes resulting from the conflict with France during the Hundred Years' War, and instability within the local leadership of London.

The final trigger for the revolt was the intervention of a royal official, John Bampton, in Essex on 30 May 1381. His attempts to collect unpaid poll taxes in Brentwood ended in a violent confrontation, which rapidly spread across the south-east of the country. A wide spectrum of rural society, including many local artisans and village officials, rose up in protest, burning court records and opening the local gaols. The rebels sought a reduction in taxation, an end to serfdom, and the removal of King Richard II's senior officials and law courts.

Inspired by the sermons of the radical cleric John Ball and led by Wat Tyler, a contingent of Kentish rebels advanced on London. They were met at Blackheath by representatives of the royal government, who unsuccessfully attempted to persuade them to return home. King Richard, then aged 14, retreated to the safety of the Tower of London, but most of the royal forces were abroad or in northern England. On 13 June, the rebels entered London and, joined by many local townsfolk, attacked the gaols, destroyed the Savoy Palace, set fire to law books and buildings in the Temple, and killed anyone associated with the royal government. The following day, Richard met the rebels at Mile End and agreed to most of their demands, including the abolition of serfdom. Meanwhile, rebels entered the Tower of London, killing Simon Sudbury, Lord Chancellor, and Robert Hales, Lord High Treasurer, whom they found inside.

On 15 June, Richard left the city to meet Tyler and the rebels at Smithfield. Violence broke out, and Richard's party killed Tyler. Richard defused the tense situation long enough for London's mayor, William Walworth, to gather a militia from the city and disperse the rebel forces. Richard immediately began to re-establish order in London and rescinded his previous grants to the rebels. The revolt had also spread into East Anglia, where the University of Cambridge was attacked and many royal officials were killed. Unrest continued until the intervention of Henry Despenser, who defeated a rebel army at the Battle of North Walsham on 25 or 26 June. Troubles extended north to York, Beverley and Scarborough, and as far west as Bridgwater in Somerset. Richard mobilised 4,000 soldiers to restore order. Most of the rebel leaders were tracked down and executed; by November, at least 1,500 rebels had been killed.

The Peasants' Revolt has been widely studied by academics. Late 19th-century historians used a range of sources from contemporary chroniclers to assemble an account of the uprising, and these were supplemented in the 20th century by research using court records and local archives. Interpretations of the revolt have shifted over the years. It was once seen as a defining moment in English history, but modern academics are less certain of its impact on subsequent social and economic history. The revolt heavily influenced the course of the Hundred Years' War, by deterring later Parliaments from raising additional taxes to pay for military campaigns in France. The revolt has been widely used in socialist literature, including by the author William Morris, and remains a potent political symbol for the political left, informing the arguments surrounding the introduction of the Community Charge in the United Kingdom during the 1980s.

[abbey1227]

Dec 19, 2021 0:15:10 GMT merh said:

Donnie was a Democrat for years.
2001-2009.

Someone who works for Amazon posted a picture last night of the "Xmas dinner" the employees got this year. 2 bits of turkey served on a scoop of corn with a small scoop of potatoes (No gravy), some sort of orange goop on a bed of dark stuff he identified as sweet potatoes and cranberry sauce (dark stuff), a roll, apparently warmed since he said it melted the hershey's kiss laying on it. (Said that disappointed him. He looked forward to the kiss.) And a mini candy cane. All served in a cheap black slotted tray. Bezos really can put out a spread, can't he?

The Peasants' Revolt, also named Wat Tyler's Rebellion or the Great Rising,

THAT's what we were telling you when he first got elected. So why were the Dems unwilling or able to come up with anything to agree with him on?

As a builder in NY, I'm sure he learned to adapt and bribe whichever political party he had to deal with in order to get any work done.

And haven't you ever noticed that for all of these 'workers paradise' dreams of revolt and utopia.........the end result is usually just another group of elites in charge while the masses continue to toil along and live pretty mundane lives?

"Oh! But THIS Time!!" goes the mantra 

[merh]

Dec 19, 2021 2:57:37 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 19, 2021 0:15:10 GMT merh said:

Donnie was a Democrat for years.
2001-2009.

THAT's what we were telling you when he first got elected. So why were the Dems unwilling or able to come up with anything to agree with him on?

As a builder in NY, I'm sure he learned to adapt and bribe whichever political party he had to deal with in order to get any work done.

And haven't you ever noticed that for all of these 'workers paradise' dreams of revolt and utopia.........the end result is usually just another group of elites in charge while the masses continue to toil along and live pretty mundane lives?

"Oh! But THIS Time!!" goes the mantra 

Contemporary chroniclers of the events in the revolt have formed an important source for historians. The chroniclers were biased against the rebel cause and typically portrayed the rebels, in the words of the historian Susan Crane, as "beasts, monstrosities or misguided fools". London chroniclers were also unwilling to admit the role of ordinary Londoners in the revolt, preferring to place the blame entirely on rural peasants from the south-east. Among the key accounts was the anonymous Anonimalle Chronicle, whose author appears to have been part of the royal court and an eye-witness to many of the events in London. The chronicler Thomas Walsingham was present for much of the revolt, but focused his account on the terror of the social unrest and was extremely biased against the rebels. The events were recorded in France by Jean Froissart, the author of the Chronicles. He had well-placed sources close to the revolt, but was inclined to elaborate the known facts with colourful stories. No sympathetic accounts of the rebels survive.

At the end of the 19th century there was a surge in historical interest in the Peasants' Revolt, spurred by the contemporary growth of the labour and socialist movements. Work by Charles Oman, Edgar Powell, André Réville and G. M. Trevelyan established the course of the revolt. By 1907 the accounts of the chroniclers were all widely available in print and the main public records concerning the events had been identified. Réville began to use the legal indictments that had been used against suspected rebels after the revolt as a fresh source of historical information, and over the next century extensive research was carried out into the local economic and social history of the revolt, using scattered local sources across south-east England.

Interpretations of the revolt have changed over the years. 17th-century historians, such as John Smyth, established the idea that the revolt had marked the end of unfree labour and serfdom in England. 19th-century historians such as William Stubbs and Thorold Rogers reinforced this conclusion, Stubbs describing it as "one of the most portentous events in the whole of our history". In the 20th century, this interpretation was increasingly challenged by historians such as May McKisack, Michael Postan and Richard Dobson, who revised the impact of the revolt on further political and economic events in England. Mid-20th century Marxist historians were both interested in, and generally sympathetic to, the rebel cause, a trend culminating in Hilton's 1973 account of the uprising, set against the wider context of peasant revolts across Europe during the period. The Peasants' Revolt has received more academic attention than any other medieval revolt, and this research has been interdisciplinary, involving historians, literary scholars and international collaboration.

Didn't accomplish a thing.

[abbey1227]

Dec 19, 2021 10:47:02 GMT merh said:

Interpretations of the revolt have changed over the years. 17th-century historians, such as John Smyth, established the idea that the revolt had marked the end of unfree labour and serfdom in England.

Didn't accomplish a thing.

And yet the hardly toiling youth of today claim they're being worked to death and given slave wages in exchange?    

36% say let's give communism a try?