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[abbey1227]

Bloomberg
Biden to Give Biggest Permanent Boost to Food-Stamp Benefits
Mike Dorning    Sun, August 15, 2021, 5:26 PM

(Bloomberg) -- The Biden administration plans to announce the biggest long-term increase in food stamp benefits in the program’s history, giving Americans more money to buy groceries and adding billions of dollars in costs to the government.

Average benefits in October will go up by more than 25% from pre-pandemic levels for the 42 million people in the program, a U.S. official said, speaking on condition of anonymity before an announcement planned for Monday.

The increase means that average monthly benefits will rise $36 per person from $121, according to the official. The New York Times reported the planned change earlier.

Anti-hunger advocates have said the government subsidy is inadequate. The Agriculture Department is increasing the payments by revising the list of foods used to estimate the cost of a nutritious diet. Congressional approval isn’t needed for the change.

Without the Biden administration’s update in the formula, food stamps benefits would have dropped in October, with the Sept. 30 expiration of a temporary 15% boost provided by pandemic relief legislation. Now they will rise instead.

President Joe Biden has been seeking to increase government assistance to low- and middle-income Americans amid a pandemic in which many lost their jobs. Republicans have said Biden’s economic plan is fueling inflation and serves as a disincentive for people to work.

The move on food stamps is a reversal from the Trump administration, which tried to limit eligibility for food aid, though the proposed restrictions were overturned by courts.

Food stamps, formally known as the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program, once enjoyed broad bipartisan support. They’ve evolved into a partisan flashpoint in recent years, as conservatives fought to shrink the program. House Republicans tried to impose cuts in 2013 and 2018, the last two times the program was reauthorized as part of the five-year Farm Bill.

The instrument for the benefit increase is an obscure U.S. Department of Agriculture shopping list used to determine food stamp benefits, known as the Thrifty Food Plan. A provision in the 2018 Farm Bill called for an update of the market basket, and Biden ordered the department to proceed with the review two days after he took office. The U.S. has periodically reviewed the market basket, first established as the Economy Food Plan in 1961 and updated in 1975 as the Thrifty Food Plan, to adjust for changes in nutritional guidelines and food consumption patterns. The most recent review was in 2006. Yet the prior reviews were always constrained to keep costs constant. The 2018 Farm Bill, passed under Trump, imposed no cost constraint on the formula review.

$835 Monthly

Advocates argue that the $22-a-day food budget USDA currently sets for a family of four is woefully inadequate and relies on outdated, unrealistic assumptions.

The market basket assumes a family eats more than five pounds of beans a week, for example. And outside studies have found that the food plan requires spending about two hours a day preparing meals, largely from scratch, at a time the average American family spends just a half hour on daily food preparation.   

The Biden review allowed benefit recipients 7% more calories, based on weight gains in the U.S. population and new exercise recommendations, the USDA official said. It also incorporates the latest government dietary standards, adding more red and orange vegetables and more seafood, such as canned tuna. The review also factored in the amount of time it takes to cook meals. Consequently, recipients are assumed to mostly use canned beans rather than dried beans and use other convenience foods such as bagged lettuce. Congressional Republicans signaled skepticism even before the results of the update became known. The top-ranking Republicans on the Senate and House Agriculture committees, which oversee the program, asked in advance for a General Accountability Office investigation of how the Biden administration conducted the review. Food stamp benefits are calculated on a sliding scale based on income and the number and age of people in a household. The new maximum benefit for a family of four will increase to $835 a month, a 21% increase from pre-pandemic levels. The average benefit will rise 27%, adjusted for inflation. Recipients are expected to spend 30% of their net income on food, with food stamps making up the deficit from the USDA food budget. Benefits can only be used to purchase groceries. More than a quarter of the households enrolled in SNAP exhaust their monthly benefits in the first week after issuance, and more than half do so by the second week, according to a 2011 USDA study.

(Adds looming expiration of pandemic-related boost in fifth paragraph.)

www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-increase-food-stamp-benefits-182952792.html

[permutojoe]

Republicans have said Biden’s economic plan is fueling inflation and serves as a disincentive for people to work.

The inflation angle is weak, even for the GOP. And food stamps are not going to keep anyone from getting a job.

[merh]

So much for your theory.

The pandemic work at home gave people a taste of freedom.

[abbey1227]

Aug 19, 2021 3:20:12 GMT merh said:

So much for your theory.

The pandemic work at home gave people a taste of freedom.

You figure those BK workers can do it from home now?

You figure this Welfare handouts is gonna go on forever? Can it?

Frankly, I'm shocked more landlords have just started shooting or burning their properties to the ground.

[abbey1227]

Aug 19, 2021 1:03:03 GMT permutojoe said:

Republicans have said Biden’s economic plan is fueling inflation and serves as a disincentive for people to work.

The inflation angle is weak, even for the GOP. And food stamps are not going to keep anyone from getting a job.

Just keep your eye on the cost of goods and living.

Have you ever been on? or know someone?

About the most retarded thing about it is how it actually rewards bad behavior........and discourages good behavior.

When someone goes out and picks up even just a few hours of work, they have to be careful and not make $10 too much.......otherwise they'll lose all of those expensive benefits being offered.

Nixon tried to fix that decades ago by simply drawing a poverty line........and then having Assistance (back when the word still meant something) only pay up to that line.

So if the poverty line was $20,000, and you just made $10,000.........then the Govt would assist you to the tune of $10,000. If you made improvements and bumped yourself up to $15,000 0r $18,000........ you wouldn't lose the $5,000 or $2,000 assist.

But that's exactly the choice many people on welfare, even those truly trying to get off of it, have to make. So the tax payers get to suffer for it. But it sure works for the Establishment and Big, Bigger Govt.

[merh]

Aug 19, 2021 13:03:42 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 19, 2021 1:03:03 GMT permutojoe said:

The inflation angle is weak, even for the GOP. And food stamps are not going to keep anyone from getting a job.

Just keep your eye on the cost of goods and living.

Have you ever been on? or know someone?

About the most retarded thing about it is how it actually rewards bad behavior........and discourages good behavior.

When someone goes out and picks up even just a few hours of work, they have to be careful and not make $10 too much.......otherwise they'll lose all of those expensive benefits being offered.

Nixon tried to fix that decades ago by simply drawing a poverty line........and then having Assistance (back when the word still meant something) only pay up to that line.

So if the poverty line was $20,000, and you just made $10,000.........then the Govt would assist you to the tune of $10,000. If you made improvements and bumped yourself up to $15,000 0r $18,000........ you wouldn't lose the $5,000 or $2,000 assist.

But that's exactly the choice many people on welfare, even those truly trying to get off of it, have to make. So the tax payers get to suffer for it. But it sure works for the Establishment and Big, Bigger Govt.

Silly rabbit. 
They work under the table.

It's how my sister-in-law got WIC 
She was buying a house, but got WIC because she claimed her husband was unemployed when he worked construction & was paid under the table.

The workers like it because they say Social Security isn't going to be there when they retire (I've heard that since the 80s) & they're not paying taxes!!! Woohoo!!!

The employers like it because they don't have to pay their share of social security or all that annoying workers comp Insurance, unemployment, etc. I had one client nailed for workers comp fraud claimed he had no employees. One of those non-existant workers managed to get hot tar poured on him. The employer assured him he would pay for it all, don't report it, but then failed to pay the doctor bills.

I had more than a couple employers nailed for under-reporting employees.

Oh. Look.

As of January 18, 2021, New York State has implemented a new rule that redefines how part-time work impacts unemployment benefits. This change makes New York’s partial unemployment system fairer and more equitable for New Yorkers who have the opportunity to work part-time while collecting regular Unemployment Insurance (UI) and Pandemic Unemployment Assistance (PUA) benefits.

NYS DOL’s new partial unemployment system uses an “hours-based” approach. Under the new rules, you can work up to 7 days per week without losing full unemployment benefits for that week, if you work 30 hours or fewer and earn $504 or less in gross pay excluding earnings from self-employment. With this change, your benefits will not be reduced for each day you engage in part-time work. Instead, benefits will be reduced in increments based on your total hours of work for the week.

Effective August 16, 2021, New York State has modified the rules for partial unemployment eligibility. This update will apply to the benefit week of Monday, August 16, 2021 to Sunday, August 22, 2021 and all benefit weeks going forward. When certifying for benefits, New Yorkers should refer the new guidelines for reporting part-time work below.

As a reminder: On September 5, 2021, several federal unemployment benefit programs, including PUA, PEUC, EB, and FPUC, will expire across the country, per federal law. For more information, visit dol.ny.gov/fedexp.

How to File a Partial Claim
If you lost work and you are working part time 30 hours or fewer a week and making $504 or less per week, the following guidelines apply when reporting your part-time work (round up to the nearest hour), effective August 16, 2021 and forward:

10 or fewer hours of work = 0 days worked: No reduction in weekly benefit rate
11 – 16 hours of work = 1 day worked: 75% of weekly benefit rate
17 – 21 hours of work = 2 days worked: 50% of weekly benefit rate
22 – 30 hours of work = 3 days worked: 25% of weekly benefit rate
31+ hours of work = 4 days worked: 0% of weekly benefit rate
Please note: If you are certifying for benefit weeks prior to August 16, 2021, you must use the prior guidelines, which can be found in the Frequently Asked Questions below.

dol.ny.gov/unemployment/partial-unemployment-eligibility

Have you ever actually applied for & received unemployment?

I've applied. 
Did I get  check?
My husband did. I had to fill out his paperwork since he couldn't read.

So one can earn up to $2000/month & still get unemployment it appears.



Damn, that Larry Elder dude just gets better & better.

California gubernatorial candidate Larry Elder said employers should be able to ask women if and when they plan to get pregnant
Kelsey Vlamis
Wed, August 18, 2021, 11:37 PM

Republican Larry Elder defended an employer's right to ask about pregnancy in a 2002 book.

Elder, who is running for governor of California, doubled down on his beliefs Wednesday.

"Government should not be intruding into the relationship between employer and employee," he said.


Conservative talk radio host Larry Elder, a Republican frontrunner in California's governor race, doubled down on past comments he made defending employers asking women if and when they plan to get pregnant.

www.yahoo.com/news/california-gubernatorial-candidate-larry-elder-063735666.html

So does that mean he can also demand sex?
Don't intrude in the relationship. 

He also wants $0 minimum wage.

But he has also broken with the party by advocating the legalization of drugs, backing same-sex marriage long before it was mainstream and writing in one of his books that “both Democrats and Republicans have blood on their hands” for supporting government programs like Medicare, Social Security, farm subsidies and public spending on education.

Faulconer blasted Elder for past derogatory remarks on women, including those in a 2000 column for Capitalism Magazine in which Elder said Democrats had an advantage over Republicans because they were supported by women, and “women know less than men about political issues, economics and current events.” The former San Diego mayor called the comments “bullshit,” saying later that he used such strong language as the son of a mother who worked as a secretary while going to night school, the husband of a career woman and “a girl dad.”

He's actually not trying to win, is he?
Just trying to boost his value on the talk show circuit, right?

He sounds like your kind of guy.

[merh]

Aug 19, 2021 12:58:23 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 19, 2021 3:20:12 GMT merh said:

So much for your theory.

The pandemic work at home gave people a taste of freedom.

You figure those BK workers can do it from home now?

You figure this Welfare handouts is gonna go on forever? Can it?

Frankly, I'm shocked more landlords have just started shooting or burning their properties to the ground.

Dude, the landlords can get the rent paid by Uncle Sam like Section 8. For some reason, it seems to be held up. Apparently different states are delaying it as much as possible.

County of San Diego
COVID-19 Emergency Rent and Utilities Assistance Program
The County’s 2021 Emergency Rent and Utilities Assistance Program (ERAP) helps eligible households in qualifying areas who have been financially impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic. The program provides payment assistance for renters who need help with rent and utilities. Applications will be accepted until funds are no longer available.
Apply Here for the County's Emergency Rent and Utilities Assistance Program
To apply over the phone or for assistance: Call [phone]

Verification Checklist
Documents can be provided after submitting application
Program Updates
ERAP will provide payment assistance for renters behind on rent and utilities. The County will now pay 100 percent of unpaid and future rent to landlords and tenants.
FAQ updates coming soon.
Application Selection
The County will prioritize application selection based on the following:

Primary Prioritizations:

Household income at or below 50% Area Median Income (AMI)
One or more household members are unemployed as of the date of the application for assistance and have not been employed for the 90 day period before such date (household income must not be above 80% AMI)
Secondary Prioritizations:

Single-parent households
Health Equity (using the lowest two quartiles of the Healthy Places Index or HPI to prioritize)-Residents who live in areas that have less access to healthy opportunities. Information about the Healthy Places Index can be found at healthyplaces.org. View County of San Diego map with HPI by City and Zip Code.
Eligibility Criteria
To be eligible for the program, households must meet all of the following criteria:

Jurisdiction:

HCDS will serve individuals and families residing in the unincorporated areas of San Diego and the cities of: Carlsbad, Coronado, Del Mar, El Cajon, Encinitas, Escondido, Imperial Beach, La Mesa, Lemon Grove, National City, Oceanside, Poway, San Marcos, Santee, Solana Beach, and Vista
Residents of the cities of San Diego and Chula Vista visit ERAPSanDiego.org for information about rental assistance in their area.
Eligible Income:

Household income must fall at or below 80% AMI
Renter:

Household must have an obligation to pay rent
Financial Hardship:

Households must have qualified for unemployment benefits or experienced a financial hardship directly or indirectly related to COVID-19.
Household is at risk of experiencing homelessness or housing instability.
Other Eligibility Notes:

Households currently receiving rental subsidies such as Section 8, rapid rehousing assistance, or rental assistance from non-profit agencies may apply. The household must certify that the ERAP assistance requested does not duplicate any other assistance, including federal, state, or local assistance provided for the same costs. Duplication of assistance is subject to County verification.
Only one application per residence will be permitted.
Income Levels:

To be eligible, the combined income of all persons in the household must fall at or below 80% Area Median Income (AMI). Please see AMI chart below.
Number of People in Household

Income equal to or less than the following (80% AMI):

1 $67,900
2 $77,600
3 $87,300
4 $97,000
5 $104,800
6 $112,550
7 $120,300
8 $128,050

I mean, damn. 
I don't make $67,000

www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/indianapolis-renters-assistance-program-getting-2491m-more-in-federal-covid-pandemic-aid

Indianapolis renters assistance program getting $91M more in federal COVID pandemic aid
Amelia Pak-Harvey, Indianapolis Star 20 hrs ago

Indianapolis will receive $91 million in federal rental assistance funding for Marion County landlords, boosting its ongoing rental aid program that has so far helped over 23,000 families since the start of the pandemic.

The federal funding, which is administered by the state, will allow the city to provide nine extra months of rental assistance beyond the current limit of three months per household.


The city's IndyRent program is available to households at or below 80% of the area's median income that have experienced a reduction in income and are at risk of housing instability. Residents can apply at IndyRent.org.

Behind in rent and facing eviction? How to get help in Indianapolis

Previously approved applicants may now be eligible for up to 12 months of assistance dating back to April 1, 2020 or beyond. Those applicants will be notified when the indyrent.org website is ready for them to revisit and request additional assistance. Previously approved applicants may be asked to recertify their income eligibility, verify their current address, housing instability and other information.

New applicants may also be eligible to request a full 12 months of assistance going back to April 1, 2020 and beyond. Tenants requesting payment for future rent amounts must still recertify their application every three months, and may not automatically qualify for all 12 months.

The money is part of $371 million that the state received from the federal government in December, allowing the Indiana Housing and Community Development Authority to distribute aid as needed across the state.

The BK workers aren't working from home.
Did you watch?
They decided their employer was treating them like crap so they quit & all found better paying work in the field because everyone is desperate for workers right now.

The work at home guys did jobs that one could do from home & when their employers demanded a return to the office, they found other work. The gal in the video worked from home & started her own business when her employer demanded she return to the office.

So it's not what all you conservative minds think it is.
It's like the housing market. It favors sellers at some point of time, buyers the next.

Right now the market favors employees

[abbey1227]

Aug 19, 2021 17:08:47 GMT merh said:

Dude, the landlords can get the rent paid by Uncle Sam like Section 8. For some reason, it seems to be held up. Apparently different states are delaying it as much as possible.

County of San Diego
COVID-19 Emergency Rent and Utilities Assistance Program

I mean, damn. 
I don't make $67,000

www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/indianapolis-renters-assistance-program-getting-2491m-more-in-federal-covid-pandemic-aid

Indianapolis renters assistance program getting $91M more in federal COVID pandemic aid

The BK workers aren't working from home.
Did you watch?
They decided their employer was treating them like crap so they quit & all found better paying work in the field because everyone is desperate for workers right now.
The work at home guys did jobs that one could do from home & when their employers demanded a return to the office, they found other work. The gal in the video worked from home & started her own business when her employer demanded she return to the office.

So it's not what all you conservative minds think it is.
It's like the housing market. It favors sellers at some point of time, buyers the next.
Right now the market favors employees

Landlords could get paid......... IF that money was being dispersed........ I've heard it's not been in many areas. And if people are receiving so much aid, why aren't they paying their rent?

Welcome to the club of making less than $67K  

I didn't watch, just laughed at the sign.

Employees have always had that option. I have quit several jobs over the course of my employment. Never went more than a few weeks without replacing them, too.

I think plenty of Employers are going to cut back on office space and employees. So good luck to those expecting their jobs to remain.

Good for her. More entrepreneurs is a good thing.

Of course it does simply because there's a shortage of willing employees showing up. I don't think that changes the qualifications of millions choosing not to work and milking covid relief for all it's worth. Sooner or later, those funds will run out, too. Probably right after an election.

[merh]

Aug 20, 2021 2:11:29 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 19, 2021 17:08:47 GMT merh said:

Dude, the landlords can get the rent paid by Uncle Sam like Section 8. For some reason, it seems to be held up. Apparently different states are delaying it as much as possible.

I mean, damn. 
I don't make $67,000

www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/indianapolis-renters-assistance-program-getting-2491m-more-in-federal-covid-pandemic-aid

The BK workers aren't working from home.
Did you watch?
They decided their employer was treating them like crap so they quit & all found better paying work in the field because everyone is desperate for workers right now.
The work at home guys did jobs that one could do from home & when their employers demanded a return to the office, they found other work. The gal in the video worked from home & started her own business when her employer demanded she return to the office.

So it's not what all you conservative minds think it is.
It's like the housing market. It favors sellers at some point of time, buyers the next.
Right now the market favors employees

Landlords could get paid......... IF that money was being dispersed........ I've heard it's not been in many areas. And if people are receiving so much aid, why aren't they paying their rent?

Welcome to the club of making less than $67K  

I didn't watch, just laughed at the sign.

Employees have always had that option. I have quit several jobs over the course of my employment. Never went more than a few weeks without replacing them, too.

I think plenty of Employers are going to cut back on office space and employees. So good luck to those expecting their jobs to remain.

Good for her. More entrepreneurs is a good thing.

Of course it does simply because there's a shortage of willing employees showing up. I don't think that changes the qualifications of millions choosing not to work and milking covid relief for all it's worth. Sooner or later, those funds will run out, too. Probably right after an election.

It said in that article I posted Indianapolis got another $91 mill out of over $300 mill the state got.

The problem seems to be the employees got a chance to be with their kids more so they are reluctant to return to work among other things.  A few of the younger posters on V2 were sure they would be able to work at home forever. I said nope. Employers don't trust workers out of sight.

[permutojoe]

Aug 19, 2021 13:03:42 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 19, 2021 1:03:03 GMT permutojoe said:

The inflation angle is weak, even for the GOP. And food stamps are not going to keep anyone from getting a job.

Just keep your eye on the cost of goods and living.

Have you ever been on? or know someone?

About the most retarded thing about it is how it actually rewards bad behavior........and discourages good behavior.

When someone goes out and picks up even just a few hours of work, they have to be careful and not make $10 too much.......otherwise they'll lose all of those expensive benefits being offered.

Nixon tried to fix that decades ago by simply drawing a poverty line........and then having Assistance (back when the word still meant something) only pay up to that line.

So if the poverty line was $20,000, and you just made $10,000.........then the Govt would assist you to the tune of $10,000. If you made improvements and bumped yourself up to $15,000 0r $18,000........ you wouldn't lose the $5,000 or $2,000 assist.

But that's exactly the choice many people on welfare, even those truly trying to get off of it, have to make. So the tax payers get to suffer for it. But it sure works for the Establishment and Big, Bigger Govt.

Not a penny extra to the poor and downtrodden!  They're the real thieves!

[abbey1227]

Aug 20, 2021 2:50:57 GMT merh said:

It said in that article I posted Indianapolis got another $91 mill out of over $300 mill the state got.

The problem seems to be the employees got a chance to be with their kids more so they are reluctant to return to work among other things.  A few of the younger posters on V2 were sure they would be able to work at home forever. I said nope. Employers don't trust workers out of sight.

Great...............they suck at homeschooling........but they can show the kiddies how to not go to work?

I think there's ways to measure whether someone is just as productive at home for certain types of jobs. Frankly, as an employer....... I wouldn't care where you did the work so long as it still got done. It might save me the cost of office space. 

[abbey1227]

Aug 20, 2021 2:51:12 GMT permutojoe said:

Aug 19, 2021 13:03:42 GMT abbey1227 said:

Not a penny extra to the poor and downtrodden!  They're the real thieves!

Let's just be consistent. Stop ALL welfare (with maybe the exception of actual emergency situations)

This perpetual class warfare is not making Govt better or more efficient. It's just allowing them to continue their evil ways.

[merh]

Aug 20, 2021 12:58:29 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 20, 2021 2:51:12 GMT permutojoe said:

Not a penny extra to the poor and downtrodden!  They're the real thieves!

Let's just be consistent. Stop ALL welfare (with maybe the exception of actual emergency situations)

This perpetual class warfare is not making Govt better or more efficient. It's just allowing them to continue their evil ways.

But they will never stop corporate welfare, farm subsidies,  etc.

[abbey1227]

Aug 20, 2021 13:26:20 GMT merh said:

Aug 20, 2021 12:58:29 GMT abbey1227 said:

Let's just be consistent. Stop ALL welfare (with maybe the exception of actual emergency situations)

This perpetual class warfare is not making Govt better or more efficient. It's just allowing them to continue their evil ways.

But they will never stop corporate welfare, farm subsidies,  etc.

Obviously.

But just as you guys seem to keep dreaming of a utopia where everyone cares for one another and works to improve each others lives......... I can keep dreaming of a Govt shrunk back down to a reasonable size and scope. 

At least mine seems achievable

[merh]

Aug 20, 2021 13:33:37 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 20, 2021 13:26:20 GMT merh said:

But they will never stop corporate welfare, farm subsidies,  etc.

Obviously.

But just as you guys seem to keep dreaming of a utopia where everyone cares for one another and works to improve each others lives......... I can keep dreaming of a Govt shrunk back down to a reasonable size and scope. 

At least mine seems achievable

Nope.

I do not get old people on social.security voting republican who want to end social security & fight Medicare increases.

[permutojoe]

Aug 20, 2021 12:58:29 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 20, 2021 2:51:12 GMT permutojoe said:

Not a penny extra to the poor and downtrodden!  They're the real thieves!

Let's just be consistent. Stop ALL welfare (with maybe the exception of actual emergency situations)

This perpetual class warfare is not making Govt better or more efficient. It's just allowing them to continue their evil ways.

Sure, as long as there is a decent paying job for everyone.  Richest country in the world means no poverty, no homelessness, etc.  You can still have 100% meritocracy, just no one destitute.  Deal?

[abbey1227]

Aug 20, 2021 17:21:56 GMT merh said:

Nope.

I do not get old people on social.security voting republican who want to end social security & fight Medicare increases.

What if they're still paying property taxes and have actually built up a sizable nest egg?

[abbey1227]

Aug 20, 2021 20:12:48 GMT permutojoe said:

Aug 20, 2021 12:58:29 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sure, as long as there is a decent paying job for everyone.  Richest country in the world means no poverty, no homelessness, etc.  You can still have 100% meritocracy, just no one destitute.  Deal?

So a 'decent job'? for EVERYONE? as in every person who didn't bother getting even a basic education or showing too much motivation when they are employed? A grande living wage to support them and their entire expanding families?

Nonsense. There will always be poverty. There will always be a lower class. Most of them actively contribute to that situation.

You can build a homeless shelter.......and many will still opt to sleep outside because they're anti-social, don't wanna follow basic requirements or just plain crazy.

Now if you wanna design better homeless shelters that have varying levels of civility, that's something to converse about.

[permutojoe]

Aug 21, 2021 0:39:59 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 20, 2021 20:12:48 GMT permutojoe said:

Sure, as long as there is a decent paying job for everyone.  Richest country in the world means no poverty, no homelessness, etc.  You can still have 100% meritocracy, just no one destitute.  Deal?

So a 'decent job'? for EVERYONE? as in every person who didn't bother getting even a basic education or showing too much motivation when they are employed? A grande living wage to support them and their entire expanding families?

Nonsense. There will always be poverty. There will always be a lower class. Most of them actively contribute to that situation.

You can build a homeless shelter.......and many will still opt to sleep outside because they're anti-social, don't wanna follow basic requirements or just plain crazy.

Now if you wanna design better homeless shelters that have varying levels of civility, that's something to converse about.

Doesn't have to be poverty if we decide there shouldn't be.  Imagine if all the marginalized folks born into miserable living conditions woke up one day to a country that actually gave a damn about them.  

[merh]

States that ended unemployment benefits early took a big economic hit - and the rest of the country's next
Juliana Kaplan
Fri, August 20, 2021, 7:56 AM
Unemployment protest
Unemployed people at a rally last year in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Cory Clark/NurPhoto via Getty Images
New research finds that ending unemployment benefits early led to people spending a lot less.

Across the states ending benefits early in June, spending dropped by $2 billion.

That pattern could only continue as federal benefits are rolled back in September.

See more stories on Insider's business page.

In June, 22 states ended their federal unemployment benefits early - and, in 19 of them, spending took a big plunge, while employment did not see a sizable jump.

A new paper from researchers at University of Massachusetts Amherst, Harvard University, Columbia University, and University of Toronto looks at banking data in those states from financial services company Earnin, which the researchers note is used by predominantly low-income Americans.

The impact of cutting off those benefits was a 20% reduction in weekly spending for individuals - which comes to about $145 every week. And those jobless workers also saw a big hit to their wallets, losing $278 in weekly benefits, with weekly earnings only up $14.

All told, the researchers found that, for every dollar in benefits, spending went down by $0.52 (and each dollar lost only saw an accompanying $0.07 rise in new income). Across the states, that translated to a $270 million increase in earnings - but consumer spending fell by $2 billion.

"Clearly, if it had been the case that more people losing benefits were easily able to transition into paid work, you wouldn't see that sort of reduction and sharp reduction in spending, but that's what you saw," Arindrajit Dube, an economics professor at University of Massachusetts Amherst and of the paper's authors, told Insider.

Ending benefits did have a small impact on employment in those states, compared to states that opted to retain their benefits. About 4.4% more workers in those early-out states had jobs compared to their colleagues in states that kept benefits. But even those gains paled in comparison to how many workers lost benefits completely, with 35% more losing all benefits in states that cut off benefits.

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Simply put, the researchers said, "for every 8 workers who lost their benefits, 1 worker found a new job."

That's because those recipients were likely on Pandemic Unemployment Assistance (PUA) or Pandemic Emergency Unemployment Compensation (PEUC), two federal programs that respectively expanded who could receive benefits and how long they could get them for.

Federal benefits will end soon, which could bring spending down even more
That data looks at the states that have already opted out of federal benefits, but there's a cliff still looming for millions of Americans. The left-leaning Century Foundation projects that 7.5 million people will lose all benefits come September 6 - and the Biden administration has confirmed that benefits won't be extended past September (although the administration also said that particularly impacted states can draw upon American Rescue Plan funds to continue providing assistance).

While there's no way of knowing what the exact impact will be, the researchers extrapolate that that could lead to $8 billion less in spending in September and October - and that blow to spending could linger as workers continue to slowly return.

That becomes, again, one of eight people over the course of the next month taking jobs, Dube said. "The rest are going to take a lot longer to find jobs."

"I think one thing that's clear is that we should worry about consumption drops especially for lower income households and those who don't have sufficient access to credit and savings," Dube added. "And so thinking about ways to soften the blow - both at the state and the federal level - could be important. "

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