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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 16, 2021 3:20:38 GMT
Indianapolis’ murder numbers higher than ChicagoMargaret Menge, The Center Square Sun, August 15, 2021, 1:00 PM For the first time in history, Indianapolis appears to have surpassed Chicago as the most violent city in the Midwest. As of last weekend, 160 people have been murdered in Indianapolis this year, compared to 445 murders in Chicago through July 31.
The comparison between the two cities was made last week by the head of the police union that represents central Indiana, Rick Snyder, president of the Fraternal Order of Police.
“Chicago is about 3.09 times larger than Indianapolis, by population. So, if you make that adjustment, per capita, we’re outpacing Chicago in number of homicides per capita by nearly 4%,” Snyder told Indianapolis television station WISH-TV.  Criminal homicides are up 34% over 2020, when comparing the first six months of this year to the first six months of last year. And the general trendline has been up for Indianapolis since 2012. In a news conference, Indianapolis Mayor Joe Hogsett called Indianapolis an “extraordinarily safe city” and labeled the problem one of “gun violence.” He also pointed out the murder rate went down in 2019, just before the COVID-19 pandemic, saying the pandemic had changed everything. “Prior to 2020 a vast litany of reforms of reforms and new investments had achieved measurable progress against gun violence, leading to the first decline in year-over-year homicides in nearly a decade,” he said. “Then, last year, the pandemic forced a pause on some of our most effective face-to-face intervention work.” Hogsett said the pandemic, which hit Indianapolis hard, caused economic insecurity and stress, and a reduction in services also led to the increase in murders. “We want nothing less than to reduce this trend in violence,” he said. He also talked of the “community justice campus” that is being built in the city, saying it will be move-in ready by the end of the year. Hogsett referred to it as a “dedicated facility for holistic criminal justice” that emphasizes treatment over incarceration for non-violent offenders. On Sunday, five people were shot outside a funeral home on the city’s west side, one of them a 4-year-old girl who was in critical condition but survived. “We’ve been saying we’re in a crisis since 2019. I think we’ve now gone over a cliff. We’ve fallen into a state of chaos in the city,” said Snyder following the mayor’s news conference. On his Twitter page, he called for corporations who are helping bail out violent offenders to come forward when those people commit another murder and questioned the use of GPS monitors. This week, it was reported that two murder suspects in Indianapolis were wearing GPS monitors at the time they allegedly committed the murder. “What’s the purpose of GPS monitoring if there are no restrictions?” Snyder asked. “Who is monitoring the GPS trackers and who determines a violation?” The assistant police chief of the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department, Chris Bailey, called the 34% increase in criminal homicides “an unacceptable number” and said the violent crime wave had impacted the whole city. Non-fatal shootings, he said, were up 65% over 2020 as of April, but have decreased since then and are now up 25% over last year.
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 17, 2021 4:05:25 GMT
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 17, 2021 4:52:40 GMT
Which Stats do you prefer?
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 17, 2021 5:06:58 GMT
Which Stats do you prefer?
I'd prefer that all the crime rates be lower, don't you? |
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 17, 2021 5:15:50 GMT
Which Stats do you prefer?
I'd prefer that all the crime rates be lower, don't you?
Of course. I don't want any of my fellow Americans to be harmed by crime.
But like those changing terms, they simply alter the charges and stat keeping to make it appear as if crime drops now. Even my nearby small city has fallen victim to it.
The recent shootings and stabbings are a glaring contradiction to the claims of falling crime.
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 17, 2021 5:51:39 GMT
I'd prefer that all the crime rates be lower, don't you?
Of course. I don't want any of my fellow Americans to be harmed by crime.
But like those changing terms, they simply alter the charges and stat keeping to make it appear as if crime drops now. Even my nearby small city has fallen victim to it.
The recent shootings and stabbings are a glaring contradiction to the claims of falling crime.
It's not about "falling victim" to anything. It's about how you present the numbers.
So, if anything, I guess I prefer using standardized rates such as the usual "per 100,000 people."
And let's face a simple fact: If Obama hadn't been a resident of Chicago but rather Cleveland, Cleveland would be the city in the news all the time.
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 17, 2021 6:01:21 GMT
It's not about "falling victim" to anything. It's about how you present the numbers.
So, if anything, I guess I prefer using standardized rates such as the usual "per 100,000 people."
And let's face a simple fact: If Obama hadn't been a resident of Chicago but rather Cleveland, Cleveland would be the city in the news all the time.
Now I totally gotta disagree with you there. While I love taking pot shots at the guy, I know Chicago has been the preferred example to give of big city crime/gun control issues for decades.
Maybe because WI is so close to Illinois, our coverage was different than yours? But it was certainly the case years before anyone ever heard of the junior senator.
Though, Cleveland is one of the regular spots chosen for that First 48 series, isn't it?
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 17, 2021 6:06:48 GMT
It's not about "falling victim" to anything. It's about how you present the numbers.
So, if anything, I guess I prefer using standardized rates such as the usual "per 100,000 people."
And let's face a simple fact: If Obama hadn't been a resident of Chicago but rather Cleveland, Cleveland would be the city in the news all the time.
Now I totally gotta disagree with you there. While I love taking pot shots at the guy, I know Chicago has been the preferred example to give of big city crime/gun control issues for decades.
Maybe because WI is so close to Illinois, our coverage was different than yours? But it was certainly the case years before anyone ever heard of the junior senator.
Though, Cleveland is one of the regular spots chosen for that First 48 series, isn't it?
Cleveland regularly has worse crime rates than Chicago yet rarely grabs the national spotlight.
Still, if Obama had come from there, I'd bet you Republicans would make sure Cleveland was in the news morning, noon, and night.
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 17, 2021 6:20:34 GMT
Cleveland regularly has worse crime rates than Chicago yet rarely grabs the national spotlight.
Still, if Obama had come from there, I'd bet you Republicans would make sure Cleveland was in the news morning, noon, and night.
Are you channeling Rissa again?
Maybe it's because New York actually made some improvements from the 70s and 80s and so the 2nd City became the biggest target for conservatives to point at when it comes to Big Blue cities?
There is a major difference in the population levels......... though I find that a really odd thing ,too. I've seen how some places the city absorbs every nearby community into them, while others do not count them at all?
If you somehow just separated the high crime areas of Chicago and then compared them any other similarly sized communities? I'd guess they'd really be up there with the worst of the worst.
IIRC, jpat always mentioned that something as few as 40 counties out of over 3000 accounted for most of the gun crimes in the US. You'd think a few walls and tight security could really solve those issues in short order...... a la Escape From New York setting?
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 18, 2021 2:58:05 GMT
Cleveland regularly has worse crime rates than Chicago yet rarely grabs the national spotlight.
Still, if Obama had come from there, I'd bet you Republicans would make sure Cleveland was in the news morning, noon, and night.
Are you channeling Rissa again?
Maybe it's because New York actually made some improvements from the 70s and 80s and so the 2nd City became the biggest target for conservatives to point at when it comes to Big Blue cities?
There is a major difference in the population levels......... though I find that a really odd thing ,too. I've seen how some places the city absorbs every nearby community into them, while others do not count them at all?
If you somehow just separated the high crime areas of Chicago and then compared them any other similarly sized communities? I'd guess they'd really be up there with the worst of the worst.
IIRC, jpat always mentioned that something as few as 40 counties out of over 3000 accounted for most of the gun crimes in the US. You'd think a few walls and tight security could really solve those issues in short order...... a la Escape From New York setting?
1. Not to my knowledge
2. Most cities are "blue." It has to do with the large population of well-educated people living there. NYC certainly isn't in the news for its murder rate these days. It's 80th and Chicago is 10th. TENTH! Why does no one talk about the 9 that are higher (other than Detroit)?
3. Hence using the "per 100,000" rate
4&5. I'm positive that those counties encompass entire cities. The fact is that it's really about most crime happening in specific neighborhoods within those cities within those counties. I don't think we need to wall off those communities. I think we need to help them. I think we need to legalize drugs. I think we need to provide free and proper care for the addicts. I think we need to do community policing. And I think we need to lock up the hardcore criminals but show the "corner kids" that there are more opportunities in life than slinging.
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 18, 2021 6:01:15 GMT
2. Most cities are "blue." It has to do with the large population of well-educated people living there. NYC certainly isn't in the news for its murder rate these days. It's 80th and Chicago is 10th. TENTH! Why does no one talk about the 9 that are higher (other than Detroit)?
That seems to be the perpetual brag.
Doesn't seem to equate to the promised outcomes of equity, fairness and prosperity for everyone in those cities.
In fact, there seems to be even more glaring issues within those borders than without.
But maybe the 'per capita' stats explain it all away? Let's check with some of the tent city residents.  |
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 18, 2021 12:06:24 GMT
2. Most cities are "blue." It has to do with the large population of well-educated people living there. NYC certainly isn't in the news for its murder rate these days. It's 80th and Chicago is 10th. TENTH! Why does no one talk about the 9 that are higher (other than Detroit)?
That seems to be the perpetual brag.
Doesn't seem to equate to the promised outcomes of equity, fairness and prosperity for everyone in those cities.
In fact, there seems to be even more glaring issues within those borders than without.
But maybe the 'per capita' stats explain it all away? Let's check with some of the tent city residents. When faced with facts, you continue to lie and misrepresent.
Sometimes wonder why I bother talking to you
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 19, 2021 12:57:14 GMT
That seems to be the perpetual brag.
Doesn't seem to equate to the promised outcomes of equity, fairness and prosperity for everyone in those cities.
In fact, there seems to be even more glaring issues within those borders than without.
But maybe the 'per capita' stats explain it all away? Let's check with some of the tent city residents. When faced with facts, you continue to lie and misrepresent.
Sometimes wonder why I bother talking to you
it's a lie or misrepresenting what goers on in big cities?
Those roughly 40 'bad' counties out of over 3000 in the US aren't all coincidentally a part of big city life?
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