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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 10, 2021 12:56:31 GMT
The law that broke US immigration
Why there are so many undocumented immigrants in the US.
By Madeline Marshall and Melissa Hirsch Aug 9, 2021
Immigration looked very different before 1996, when President Bill Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA). The law was supposed to stop undocumented immigration by increasing enforcement and punishing people for being in the US undocumented. Instead, it did the opposite.
Before 1996, Mexican immigrants who came to the US unlawfully were about 50 percent likely to return to Mexico within a year. But in the years that followed, more people started staying in the US, according to data from the Mexican Migration Project. There were around 5 million undocumented immigrants living in the US before IIRIRA. Today, it’s at least double that.
Laws like IIRIRA shaped the way the US focuses on immigration enforcement as a deterrent. But really it proved that stronger enforcement doesn’t actually stop undocumented immigration.
Check out past Vox reporting by Dara Lind on the law and Nicole Narea’s story on the false promises of immigration enforcement.
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 11, 2021 3:12:13 GMT
"But really it proved that stronger enforcement doesn’t actually stop undocumented immigration." Yeah! We need a WALL (TM)! ![[rolleye1]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/MTjbungPBOzv0BKQvdPJ.gif) |
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 11, 2021 3:19:10 GMT
"But really it proved that stronger enforcement doesn’t actually stop undocumented immigration." Yeah! We need a WALL (TM)!
I notice refusing to prosecute shoplifting has certainly reduced retail theft of late, too
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 11, 2021 3:44:44 GMT
"But really it proved that stronger enforcement doesn’t actually stop undocumented immigration." Yeah! We need a WALL (TM)!
I notice refusing to prosecute shoplifting has certainly reduced retail theft of late, too
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 11, 2021 3:51:55 GMT
I notice refusing to prosecute shoplifting has certainly reduced retail theft of late, too
Huh?
Our recently retired Chief of Police had the gall to proclaim he left the city of Green Bay with lower crime........ yet anyone paying any attention at all knows that crime has been doing nothing but getting worse there for years. They simply reduced the charges from felonies to misdemeanors.....if any charges at all.....and Voila! Reduced crime!
There have been several reports recently of places doing away with petty crime charges, to include shoplifting........so there's a lot of footage of late with people just walking in, loading up in full view of everyone........and then waltzing out the front door. If they bothered doing it with a stolen vehicle, there's really no way of even picking them up afterwards.
This is the fundamental disagreement over whether or not certain laws get enforced or not. Many police tend to believe in the Broken Windows policies........it's usually the politicians that seem OK letting it all go to crap, since it won't be their neighborhood getting the brunt of it.
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 11, 2021 4:13:47 GMT
Our recently retired Chief of Police had the gall to proclaim he left the city of Green Bay with lower crime........ yet anyone paying any attention at all knows that crime has been doing nothing but getting worse there for years. They simply reduced the charges from felonies to misdemeanors.....if any charges at all.....and Voila! Reduced crime!
There have been several reports recently of places doing away with petty crime charges, to include shoplifting........so there's a lot of footage of late with people just walking in, loading up in full view of everyone........and then waltzing out the front door. If they bothered doing it with a stolen vehicle, there's really no way of even picking them up afterwards.
This is the fundamental disagreement over whether or not certain laws get enforced or not. Many police tend to believe in the Broken Windows policies........it's usually the politicians that seem OK letting it all go to crap, since it won't be their neighborhood getting the brunt of it.
Oh! You were switching topics because you didn't want to deal with the fact that your OP flies in the face of your own convictions.
Got it!
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 11, 2021 4:23:11 GMT
Oh! You were switching topics because you didn't want to deal with the fact that your OP flies in the face of your own convictions.
Got it!
But I do believe that walls work. Just like they did in DC recently. At the Vatican. Around gated communities, etc etc and other 'Great Walls' too
Backing them up with other forms of security helps, as well.
If for no other reason than the most basic form of delineation of property. ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif) |
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 12, 2021 1:48:30 GMT
Oh! You were switching topics because you didn't want to deal with the fact that your OP flies in the face of your own convictions.
Got it!
But I do believe that walls work. Just like they did in DC recently. At the Vatican. Around gated communities, etc etc and other 'Great Walls' too
Backing them up with other forms of security helps, as well.
If for no other reason than the most basic form of delineation of property. But I do believe that walls work....
"Just like they did in DC recently." The barriers that stopped all those people from rushing into the Capitol or the ones that ended up rushing a cop to death?
"At the Vatican." The Vatican that is protected 24/7 by one of the most elite military forces in the world, supplemented by local police and which enjoyed the general respect of most military forces back when walls worked against bows and arrows?
"Around gated communities" Like the one where the residents came out of their house brandishing weapons (not that there's anything wrong with that)?
"'Great Walls' too" Like the one in China that has been breached more times that a hooker's crotch? Or maybe you're thinking of Hadrian's Wall which the Picts saw as a way of Keeping the Romans right where the Picts could watch them?
I really don't have a problem with barriers, Abs. I have a problem with the racist sentiment driving the desire for one on the US southern border. I really thought (and still think) that my Wall (TM) solution is a good one. Dems hate it because there's still a wall* and Rps hate it because it would help people.
*I'm betting that most Dems would have supported a barrier of some sort until Republicans made the issue about race rather than security.
And what's that quote you soveriegn types love to spout?
Oh yeah:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Thanks for trying to keep us all safe by limiting our liberty! ![[cheers]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/engyBVslEdpmpmdnBwZQ.gif)
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 12, 2021 2:24:54 GMT
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Thanks for trying to keep us all safe by limiting our liberty!
Excellent twist
There's a reason we have doors and locks on them. We can not trust other humans to keep their liberty to themselves when they envy what you've got.
You often have to look after your own safety, otherwise you're ceding your liberty to others in exchange for the promise of security.
AFTER 1/6/20.........y'know AFTER Pelosi & Co decided that they would provide requested security......unlike earlier when they refused........ did you see anyone getting into the Capitol uninvited?
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 12, 2021 2:37:16 GMT
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Thanks for trying to keep us all safe by limiting our liberty!
Excellent twist
There's a reason we have doors and locks on them. We can not trust other humans to keep their liberty to themselves when they envy what you've got.
You often have to look after your own safety, otherwise you're ceding your liberty to others in exchange for the promise of security.
AFTER 1/6/20.........y'know AFTER Pelosi & Co decided that they would provide requested security......unlike earlier when they refused........ did you see anyone getting into the Capitol uninvited?
1. And yet for many years, most people in many communities never availed themselves of those locks. I'm not saying that we don't needs locks and doors, Abs. I just wanted to see you spin.
2. Wait. You're saying that the riot was caused by not having enough security to deal with a riot?
Sounds like you'd be in favor of martial law... at least in certain neighborhoods....
"Those darkies won't dare riot while we have automatic weapons pointed at them!"
The British though something similar in 1775....
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 12, 2021 2:40:58 GMT
1. And yet for many years, most people in many communities never availed themselves of those locks. I'm not saying that we don't needs locks and doors, Abs. I just wanted to see you spin.
2. Wait. You're saying that the riot was caused by not having enough security to deal with a riot?
Sounds like you'd be in favor of martial law... at least in certain neighborhoods....
"Those darkies won't dare riot while we have automatic weapons pointed at them!"
The British though something similar in 1775....
1. Yep, I've lived in one of those communities......no locking of doors. And I've watched the creep happen slowly but surely.
2. Even a simple concert provides a minimum of security depending on the crowd size. So when the person in charge of that security asks for more hands on deck......and is denied by the people apparently HOPING for something bad to happen, it does lead one to wonder if it wasn't a bit orchestrated all along.
Portland and Seattle were primarily darkies?
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 12, 2021 2:51:53 GMT
1. And yet for many years, most people in many communities never availed themselves of those locks. I'm not saying that we don't needs locks and doors, Abs. I just wanted to see you spin.
2. Wait. You're saying that the riot was caused by not having enough security to deal with a riot?
Sounds like you'd be in favor of martial law... at least in certain neighborhoods....
"Those darkies won't dare riot while we have automatic weapons pointed at them!"
The British though something similar in 1775....
1. Yep, I've lived in one of those communities......no locking of doors. And I've watched the creep happen slowly but surely.
2. Even a simple concert provides a minimum of security depending on the crowd size. So when the person in charge of that security asks for more hands on deck......and is denied by the people apparently HOPING for something bad to happen, it does lead one to wonder if it wasn't a bit orchestrated all along.
Portland and Seattle were primarily darkies?
1. Who creeped in, Abs. Go ahead. Say it.
2. I guess you missed the reference about having too many guns pointed at one's head is exactly what causes many riots, rebellions, and revolutions.
3. See above
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 12, 2021 12:10:21 GMT
1. Who creeped in, Abs. Go ahead. Say it.
2. I guess you missed the reference about having too many guns pointed at one's head is exactly what causes many riots, rebellions, and revolutions.
3. See above
1. More and more people on Assistance. It's almost as if it's by design in order to secure employment and expansion for the local city govt.
2. Which guns are they most worried about again? or which ones should they be most worried about? Where's jpat when I need him?
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 13, 2021 4:06:24 GMT
1. Who creeped in, Abs. Go ahead. Say it.
2. I guess you missed the reference about having too many guns pointed at one's head is exactly what causes many riots, rebellions, and revolutions.
3. See above
1. More and more people on Assistance. It's almost as if it's by design in order to secure employment and expansion for the local city govt.
2. Which guns are they most worried about again? or which ones should they be most worried about? Where's jpat when I need him?
1. "People on assistance"
Nice euphemism, Abs. Loving that "soft language."
2. Even as a law-abiding citizen, I wouldn't like the idea of having so many government guns pointed at me all the time.
My ancestors in the 1770's didn't like it either.
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 13, 2021 13:04:47 GMT
1. "People on assistance"
Nice euphemism, Abs. Loving that "soft language."
2. Even as a law-abiding citizen, I wouldn't like the idea of having so many government guns pointed at me all the time.
My ancestors in the 1770's didn't like it either.
1. I coulda just went with welfare scumbags if you'd like? The vast, vast, VAST majority of which I've personally run into in my life being of the very pale variety. (Unlike where your mind likely went to automatically)
2. I'm all for eliminating police depts if people feel a type of 'Citizens Watch' would suffice. Police guns are not the problem, imo. Your type of "soft approach" and lowering of standards has been the problem and it's just getting worse.
Your ancestors adapted and became almost synonymous with the typical police department on the Eastern seaboard, no? |
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 14, 2021 3:08:47 GMT
1. "People on assistance"
Nice euphemism, Abs. Loving that "soft language."
2. Even as a law-abiding citizen, I wouldn't like the idea of having so many government guns pointed at me all the time.
My ancestors in the 1770's didn't like it either.
1. I coulda just went with welfare scumbags if you'd like? The vast, vast, VAST majority of which I've personally run into in my life being of the very pale variety. (Unlike where your mind likely went to automatically)
2. I'm all for eliminating police depts if people feel a type of 'Citizens Watch' would suffice. Police guns are not the problem, imo. Your type of "soft approach" and lowering of standards has been the problem and it's just getting worse.
Your ancestors adapted and became almost synonymous with the typical police department on the Eastern seaboard, no? 1. We all know what you meant, Abs, even if you won't admit it. 2. What "soft approach" have I advocated? Community policing? What standards have I suggested be lowered?
My ancestors overcame tyranny and gave you the United States of America. You're welcome. Stop trying to fuck it up.
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 14, 2021 12:43:54 GMT
1. We all know what you meant, Abs, even if you won't admit it. 2. What "soft approach" have I advocated? Community policing? What standards have I suggested be lowered?
My ancestors overcame tyranny and gave you the United States of America. You're welcome. Stop trying to fuck it up.
1. After all of the vile, obnoxious, rude and unacceptable by polite society stuff I've posted over the years........why would I bother to avoid posting truly racist crap if I actually felt that way?
2. So I'm the one F'ing it up? Mmmmm-kay
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 14, 2021 23:50:02 GMT
1. We all know what you meant, Abs, even if you won't admit it. 2. What "soft approach" have I advocated? Community policing? What standards have I suggested be lowered?
My ancestors overcame tyranny and gave you the United States of America. You're welcome. Stop trying to fuck it up.
1. After all of the vile, obnoxious, rude and unacceptable by polite society stuff I've posted over the years........why would I bother to avoid posting truly racist crap if I actually felt that way?
2. So I'm the one F'ing it up? Mmmmm-kay
1. Polite bigotry is still bigotry
2. It certainly isn't me.
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