Longwinded BS Argument?

[abbey1227]

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The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan … Stalin Did
Have decades of nuclear policy been based on a lie?
Foreign Policy   Ward Wilson

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The Soviet declaration of war also changed the calculation of how much time was left for maneuver. Japanese intelligence was predicting that U.S. forces might not invade for months. Soviet forces, on the other hand, could be in Japan proper in as little as 10 days. The Soviet invasion made a decision on ending the war extremely time sensitive.

And Japan’s leaders had reached this conclusion some months earlier. In a meeting of the Supreme Council in June 1945, they said that Soviet entry into the war “would determine the fate of the Empire.” Army Deputy Chief of Staff Kawabe said, in that same meeting, “The absolute maintenance of peace in our relations with the Soviet Union is imperative for the continuation of the war.”

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Gotta love the decades later Monday Morning QBing.

Question though: IF Japan had reached that conclusion months earlier.......... then why didn't they surrender before either bomb was dropped? Surely even after the first one, they could have saved thousands of their own people?

[Prometheus]

The Chinese give lots of credit to the Russians... but much of that simply revolves around the Russian invasion of Northeast China which sent the Japanese scurrying.

And that makes sense since China was invaded and occupied long before Europe was at war or America entered the war post-Pearl Harbor. While The US may have sent money and materiel to China and imposed economic sanctions on Japan (prior to entering the war), we never sent any troops to battle Japan on Chinese soil. The Russians did.

China aside, I feel that articles of this type are just "America bashing" and trying to belittle our contributions.

Was the Russian invasion of Manchuria important in forcing the Japanese surrender? Yup, but it came 2 days AFTER Hiroshima and just a day before Nagasaki, AND the Russians never invaded Japan proper. We did.

[abbey1227]

Aug 11, 2021 2:51:55 GMT Prometheus said:

The Chinese give lots of credit to the Russians... but much of that simply revolves around the Russian invasion of Northeast China which sent the Japanese scurrying.

And that makes sense since China was invaded and occupied long before Europe was at war or America entered the war post-Pearl Harbor. While The US may have sent money and materiel to China and imposed economic sanctions on Japan (prior to entering the war), we never sent any troops to battle Japan on Chinese soil. The Russians did.

China aside, I feel that articles of this type are just "America bashing" and trying to belittle our contributions.

Was the Russian invasion of Manchuria important in forcing the Japanese surrender? Yup, but it came 2 days AFTER Hiroshima and just a day before Nagasaki, AND the Russians never invaded Japan proper. We did.

It's always a bit like arguing the death penalty with people that do not believe in killing for any reason........despite being fully aware that the people being fought against certainly DO believe in killing. 

Of course, I'd always be sure the correct people get killed........but once it's on? It's ON! Otherwise why bother going to war? (I say that acknowledging that the US has not not legally and constitutionally actually declared war since the 1940s.)

[Prometheus]

Aug 11, 2021 2:58:48 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 11, 2021 2:51:55 GMT Prometheus said:

The Chinese give lots of credit to the Russians... but much of that simply revolves around the Russian invasion of Northeast China which sent the Japanese scurrying.

And that makes sense since China was invaded and occupied long before Europe was at war or America entered the war post-Pearl Harbor. While The US may have sent money and materiel to China and imposed economic sanctions on Japan (prior to entering the war), we never sent any troops to battle Japan on Chinese soil. The Russians did.

China aside, I feel that articles of this type are just "America bashing" and trying to belittle our contributions.

Was the Russian invasion of Manchuria important in forcing the Japanese surrender? Yup, but it came 2 days AFTER Hiroshima and just a day before Nagasaki, AND the Russians never invaded Japan proper. We did.

It's always a bit like arguing the death penalty with people that do not believe in killing for any reason........despite being fully aware that the people being fought against certainly DO believe in killing. 

Of course, I'd always be sure the correct people get killed........but once it's on? It's ON! Otherwise why bother going to war? (I say that acknowledging that the US has not not legally and constitutionally actually declared war since the 1940s.)

Now you're getting into "Just War Theory."

THAT is a longwinded topic.