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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 10, 2021 6:39:12 GMT
Dear Prudence
Help! My POC Friends Say Being Interested in My Irish Heritage Is a Dog Whistle.
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 11, 2021 2:31:25 GMT
Dear Prudence
Help! My POC Friends Say Being Interested in My Irish Heritage Is a Dog Whistle.
Not me. My Chinese friends are interested in learning about other places as much as I am.
Many of my African friends see Ireland's struggles as being similar to their own struggles with colonization.
The POC in the letter are people who don't know better, don't want to know better, and just want an excuse to hate a white person.
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 11, 2021 2:49:58 GMT
Not me. My Chinese friends are interested in learning about other places as much as I am.
Many of my African friends see Ireland's struggles as being similar to their own struggles with colonization.
The POC in the letter are people who don't know better, don't want to know better, and just want an excuse to hate a white person.
While I certainly love discovering details on other people, lands and histories........ I also do not understand the 'pride' some people take simply because of their lineage. As I always say "If you just go back far enough......we're ALL cousins."
Now, don't get me started on my relations with actual cousins that I have today.  |
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 11, 2021 3:19:25 GMT
Not me. My Chinese friends are interested in learning about other places as much as I am.
Many of my African friends see Ireland's struggles as being similar to their own struggles with colonization.
The POC in the letter are people who don't know better, don't want to know better, and just want an excuse to hate a white person.
While I certainly love discovering details on other people, lands and histories........ I also do not understand the 'pride' some people take simply because of their lineage. As I always say "If you just go back far enough......we're ALL cousins."
Now, don't get me started on my relations with actual cousins that I have today. I get what you're saying but what other single English word can accurately express the positive feeling one has for being descended from any particular culture? |
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 11, 2021 3:21:38 GMT
I get what you're saying but what other single English word can accurately express the positive feeling one has for being descended from any particular culture?
hmmm........... like nationalism, it's not the word 'pride' that I see as the issue.
I guess it's more that way they seem to take credit for something that they had absolutely no control over.......like the color of the skin they ended up with. Y' know?
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 11, 2021 3:58:44 GMT
I get what you're saying but what other single English word can accurately express the positive feeling one has for being descended from any particular culture?
hmmm........... like nationalism, it's not the word 'pride' that I see as the issue.
I guess it's more that way they seem to take credit for something that they had absolutely no control over.......like the color of the skin they ended up with. Y' know?
Nope. Nationalism is about the country you live in rather than your heritage.
Unless there's a tribe of Native Americans called the "Unpronounceable Italian Name" Tribe that I am unaware of.... ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif)
My ancestry is mainly Irish, German, and English but I have more positive feelings for my Irish heritage than the other two. Growing up with an Irish family name in Boston probably has a lot to do with that. Being related to very famous Irishman probably has a lot to do with it too.
But I'm also related to about 20 US presidents and most of the royalty of Europe as well... though less directly.
What makes my Irish heritage more important to me than my German heritage or my English heritage? The only answer is enculturation.
I personally don't see any problem with people wanting to learn more about their ROOTS.
But I do have a problem being told that my interest in my heritage is racist, especially when it comes from anyone who is likewise proud of their ROOTS.
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 11, 2021 4:11:05 GMT
Nope. Nationalism is about the country you live in rather than your heritage.
Unless there's a tribe of Native Americans called the "Unpronounceable Italian Name" Tribe that I am unaware of....
My ancestry is mainly Irish, German, and English but I have more positive feelings for my Irish heritage than the other two. Growing up with an Irish family name in Boston probably has a lot to do with that. Being related to very famous Irishman probably has a lot to do with it too.
But I'm also related to about 20 US presidents and most of the royalty of Europe as well... though less directly.
What makes my Irish heritage more important to me than my German heritage or my English heritage? The only answer is enculturation.
I personally don't see any problem with people wanting to learn more about their ROOTS.
But I do have a problem being told that my interest in my heritage is racist, especially when it comes from anyone who is likewise proud of their ROOTS.
Right..........but how is taking pride in being an American really all that different than the pride in being an O'Leary? or a Gonzalez? You had absolutely no say in who your parents were and the location of your vaginal exiting.
And while I have no issue with your sense of pride.......it's a bit of a funny sentiment, right? Again, you didn't do anything to achieve it. You also had no choice in the matter. I still remember being somewhat shocked by that bit in Blazing Saddles "We don't want the Irish!"
It seems to me the obvious answer would be an 'educated' sense of guilt in regards to what the English and Germans have done in the past......whereas the Irish have not.
Exactly. I got no problem with ROOTS either. And having an interest in your history ort anyone else's has no basis for the accusation of racism......it's a completely useless term these days.
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Post by Prometheus on Aug 11, 2021 4:39:07 GMT
Nope. Nationalism is about the country you live in rather than your heritage.
Unless there's a tribe of Native Americans called the "Unpronounceable Italian Name" Tribe that I am unaware of....
My ancestry is mainly Irish, German, and English but I have more positive feelings for my Irish heritage than the other two. Growing up with an Irish family name in Boston probably has a lot to do with that. Being related to very famous Irishman probably has a lot to do with it too.
But I'm also related to about 20 US presidents and most of the royalty of Europe as well... though less directly.
What makes my Irish heritage more important to me than my German heritage or my English heritage? The only answer is enculturation.
I personally don't see any problem with people wanting to learn more about their ROOTS.
But I do have a problem being told that my interest in my heritage is racist, especially when it comes from anyone who is likewise proud of their ROOTS.
Right..........but how is taking pride in being an American really all that different than the pride in being an O'Leary? or a Gonzalez? You had absolutely no say in who your parents were and the location of your vaginal exiting.
And while I have no issue with your sense of pride.......it's a bit of a funny sentiment, right? Again, you didn't do anything to achieve it. You also had no choice in the matter. I still remember being somewhat shocked by that bit in Blazing Saddles "We don't want the Irish!"
It seems to me the obvious answer would be an 'educated' sense of guilt in regards to what the English and Germans have done in the past......whereas the Irish have not.
Exactly. I got no problem with ROOTS either. And having an interest in your history ort anyone else's has no basis for the accusation of racism......it's a completely useless term these days. 1. Ask the Man in the High Castle
2. You wouldn't have been shocked if you understood the history of the Irish in America when you saw it.
3. I feel no guilt about about either
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Post by abbey1227 on Aug 11, 2021 4:45:21 GMT
1. Ask the Man in the High Castle
2. You wouldn't have been shocked if you understood the history of the Irish in America when you saw it.
3. I feel no guilt about about either
2. But that was a subject never explained to me growing up in school. The Irish were white people. So how they could've ever been discriminated against didn't seem possible if it was just black, brown and red people, right?
Again, that's what makes Blazing Saddles so funny. It's truthful AND funny
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