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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 27, 2021 8:05:56 GMT
Why Black families are taking their kids out of schoolThe U.S. Census Bureau reported that the rate of households homeschooling their children rose to 11 percent by September 2020, doubling from 5.4 percent just six months earlier. 'There’s no turning back for us now' » Associated Press Sparked by pandemic fallout, homeschooling surges across USDAVID CRARY Mon, July 26, 2021, 12:13 AM Although the pandemic disrupted family life across the U.S. since taking hold in spring 2020, some parents are grateful for one consequence: They're now opting to homeschool their children, even as schools plan to resume in-person classes. The specific reasons vary widely. Some families who spoke with The Associated Press have children with special educational needs; others seek a faith-based curriculum or say their local schools are flawed. The common denominator: They tried homeschooling on what they thought was a temporary basis and found it beneficial to their children. “That’s one of the silver linings of the pandemic — I don’t think we would have chosen to homeschool otherwise,” said Danielle King of Randolph, Vermont, whose 7-year-old daughter Zoë thrived with the flexible, one-on-one instruction. Her curriculum has included literature, anatomy, even archaeology, enlivened by outdoor excursions to search for fossils. The surge has been confirmed by the U.S. Census Bureau, which reported in March that the rate of households homeschooling their children rose to 11% by September 2020, more than doubling from 5.4% just six months earlier. Black households saw the largest jump; their homeschooling rate rose from 3.3% in the spring of 2020 to 16.1% in the fall.
What will public schools say if the test scores rise and many of the areas previously under served start seeing actual progress?
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Post by Prometheus on Jul 27, 2021 16:30:30 GMT
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 28, 2021 6:42:03 GMT
funny to see a teacher laughing about it.
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Post by Prometheus on Jul 28, 2021 11:10:44 GMT
funny to see a teacher laughing about it.
I laughed because your racism was just so obvious:
Take black students out of public schools and watch test scores go up.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 28, 2021 13:19:52 GMT
funny to see a teacher laughing about it.
I laughed because your racism was just so obvious:
Take black students out of public schools and watch test scores go up.
I happen to believe that test scores go up for almost all home schooled kids.........race doesn't enter into it. ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif) Parental involvement and interest is the key. |
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Post by Prometheus on Jul 28, 2021 19:48:50 GMT
I laughed because your racism was just so obvious:
Take black students out of public schools and watch test scores go up.
I happen to believe that test scores go up for almost all home schooled kids.........race doesn't enter into it. Parental involvement and interest is the key. Wait, wait, wait.
You were saying that the home-schooled black kids would do better on standardized tests (SAT and ACT) than public school kids? You weren't suggesting that black kids not being in public school would make the standardized test scores that rank city against city and nation against nation would be higher?
Mea culpa, Abs. Mea culpa.
It's good to see that you believe that these parents (products of the public school system) would have the knowledge and means to home-school to a higher level than the public schools they went to.
Of course, you realize that the highest-performing home-school students live in homes with affluent parents with advanced degrees, right? And you realize that those students skew the average, right? And you realize that those same kids would probably have performed just as well had they just stayed in school, right?
It's great to see that you think home-schooled black kids from single-parent homes, in the inner city, will do better than than their counterparts even if it means increases in welfare payouts when mom gives up all 3 of her jobs to stay at home and teach her kids subjects that she, herself, passed based on "social promotion."
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 29, 2021 2:02:55 GMT
Wait, wait, wait.
You were saying that the home-schooled black kids would do better on standardized tests (SAT and ACT) than public school kids? You weren't suggesting that black kids not being in public school would make the standardized test scores that rank city against city and nation against nation would be higher?
Mea culpa, Abs. Mea culpa.
It's good to see that you believe that these parents (products of the public school system) would have the knowledge and means to home-school to a higher level than the public schools they went to.
Of course, you realize that the highest-performing home-school students live in homes with affluent parents with advanced degrees, right? And you realize that those students skew the average, right? And you realize that those same kids would probably have performed just as well had they just stayed in school, right?
It's great to see that you think home-schooled black kids from single-parent homes, in the inner city, will do better than than their counterparts even if it means increases in welfare payouts when mom gives up all 3 of her jobs to stay at home and teach her kids subjects that she, herself, passed based on "social promotion."
Just like the 'Welfare vs Abortion' argument about which one costs tax payers less.........there's a saturation point in education, as well.
It could be argued those new welfare/teaching payments actually end up costing LESS than paying for all of these schools and faculty........and the end result is the same or better. How could they do worse than many city school systems have done for years?
Covid has shown it's possible to teach online, too. Most teachers are more replaceable than ever.
I just want ALL Americans to get value for their dollars spent.
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Post by Prometheus on Jul 29, 2021 4:14:50 GMT
Wait, wait, wait.
You were saying that the home-schooled black kids would do better on standardized tests (SAT and ACT) than public school kids? You weren't suggesting that black kids not being in public school would make the standardized test scores that rank city against city and nation against nation would be higher?
Mea culpa, Abs. Mea culpa.
It's good to see that you believe that these parents (products of the public school system) would have the knowledge and means to home-school to a higher level than the public schools they went to.
Of course, you realize that the highest-performing home-school students live in homes with affluent parents with advanced degrees, right? And you realize that those students skew the average, right? And you realize that those same kids would probably have performed just as well had they just stayed in school, right?
It's great to see that you think home-schooled black kids from single-parent homes, in the inner city, will do better than than their counterparts even if it means increases in welfare payouts when mom gives up all 3 of her jobs to stay at home and teach her kids subjects that she, herself, passed based on "social promotion."
Just like the 'Welfare vs Abortion' argument about which one costs tax payers less.........there's a saturation point in education, as well.
It could be argued those new welfare/teaching payments actually end up costing LESS than paying for all of these schools and faculty........and the end result is the same or better. How could they do worse than many city school systems have done for years?
Covid has shown it's possible to teach online, too. Most teachers are more replaceable than ever.
I just want ALL Americans to get value for their dollars spent.
1. Hmmmm. If I say that abortion costs the taxpayers nothing as it is, you're just going to skip off down the road on one of your PP rants so....
2. Again: the students who do best with homeschooling are those with well-educated parents.There's no reason to expect that poorly educated parents are going to succeed at the same level. In fact, it has already been shown that they don't. And it doesn't matter if it's "Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel" or "Sheneneh Jenkins."
3. You think online teaching shows that teachers are replaceable? Who do you think is giving the lessons?
4. Don't we all? Do you think we've gotten a lot of value for the USS Gerald R. Ford at $13 billion dollars and it hasn't even entered service yet? Do you think we've gotten a lot of value for Trump's similarly priced Wall (TM)?
You want value for your money? Build a better education system.
Build a better health care system.
Remove barriers that force the underprivileged into lives of desperation and crime.
There will NOT be equal results but there will be better results for the most people overall.
There's some kid out there right now - and I don't know if s/he's in the back woods of West Virginia or on the streets of Detroit - who has the smarts to make the country and the whole world a better place but they probably never will as long as they can't access the opportunity for a good education and I'm pretty sure that homeschooling isn't the right choice because if their parents were smart enough to teach them, they probably wouldn't be in a back woods shack or an inner city slum.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 29, 2021 12:06:25 GMT
2. Again: the students who do best with homeschooling are those with well-educated parents.There's no reason to expect that poorly educated parents are going to succeed at the same level. In fact, it has already been shown that they don't. And it doesn't matter if it's "Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel" or "Sheneneh Jenkins."
3. You think online teaching shows that teachers are replaceable? Who do you think is giving the lessons?
4. Don't we all? Do you think we've gotten a lot of value for the USS Gerald R. Ford at $13 billion dollars and it hasn't even entered service yet? Do you think we've gotten a lot of value for Trump's similarly priced Wall (TM)?
You want value for your money? Build a better education system.
Build a better health care system.
Remove barriers that force the underprivileged into lives of desperation and crime.
There will NOT be equal results but there will be better results for the most people overall.
There's some kid out there right now - and I don't know if s/he's in the back woods of West Virginia or on the streets of Detroit - who has the smarts to make the country and the whole world a better place but they probably never will as long as they can't access the opportunity for a good education and I'm pretty sure that homeschooling isn't the right choice because if their parents were smart enough to teach them, they probably wouldn't be in a back woods shack or an inner city slum. 1. True enough
2. Again, in some areas, how much worse could they do?
3. I said 'MOST' didn't I? The best of the best would be retained for those videos and online tutoring.
4. The battleship is another joke........because we don't bother to fight or win wars anymore anyway. Trump's wall.....and more importantly his policies accomplished something positive.
Don't need to....... just truly INVEST that money in an interest bearing account for each former student and they might not ever have to work after 25-35 years of compounding interest. Just as stupid, but money in an account.......unlike now.
How smart do you figure you gotta be to teach the alphabet, basic reading, writing and math? Are you and your brethren THAT gifted?
I don't usually worry about that occasionally gifted or motivated kid........they seem to rise to the occasion whether there's hurdles or not.
One thing is for certain........they're not teaching the average student how to value and handle money.
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Post by Prometheus on Jul 30, 2021 4:49:32 GMT
2. Again: the students who do best with homeschooling are those with well-educated parents.There's no reason to expect that poorly educated parents are going to succeed at the same level. In fact, it has already been shown that they don't. And it doesn't matter if it's "Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel" or "Sheneneh Jenkins."
3. You think online teaching shows that teachers are replaceable? Who do you think is giving the lessons?
4. Don't we all? Do you think we've gotten a lot of value for the USS Gerald R. Ford at $13 billion dollars and it hasn't even entered service yet? Do you think we've gotten a lot of value for Trump's similarly priced Wall (TM)?
You want value for your money? Build a better education system.
Build a better health care system.
Remove barriers that force the underprivileged into lives of desperation and crime.
There will NOT be equal results but there will be better results for the most people overall.
There's some kid out there right now - and I don't know if s/he's in the back woods of West Virginia or on the streets of Detroit - who has the smarts to make the country and the whole world a better place but they probably never will as long as they can't access the opportunity for a good education and I'm pretty sure that homeschooling isn't the right choice because if their parents were smart enough to teach them, they probably wouldn't be in a back woods shack or an inner city slum. 1. True enough
2. Again, in some areas, how much worse could they do?
3. I said 'MOST' didn't I? The best of the best would be retained for those videos and online tutoring.
4. The battleship is another joke........because we don't bother to fight or win wars anymore anyway. Trump's wall.....and more importantly his policies accomplished something positive.
Don't need to....... just truly INVEST that money in an interest bearing account for each former student and they might not ever have to work after 25-35 years of compounding interest. Just as stupid, but money in an account.......unlike now.
How smart do you figure you gotta be to teach the alphabet, basic reading, writing and math? Are you and your brethren THAT gifted?
I don't usually worry about that occasionally gifted or motivated kid........they seem to rise to the occasion whether there's hurdles or not.
One thing is for certain........they're not teaching the average student how to value and handle money.
2. There are many other factors at work 3. It seems like you're talking about having larger classroom sizes online than we might have in a brick and mortar school. Maybe it's because you don't have kids that you don't understand the teaching dynamic. In short: smaller class sizes are better, not just because it allows for more individual attention, but because it makes it easier for the teacher to control the learning environment.
Have you heard the term, "herding cats"?
If it's hard to manage 22 kids in a room that they can't just walk out of at any time, imagine wrangling 50 kids that have complete autonomy in their online classroom.
Are you going to tell me how the kids should act responsibly or that the teacher should know how to be more engaging?
Responsibility is best taught in an atmosphere where irresponsible actions have immediate consequences. If a mom or dad were sitting right there with the student that might happen, but then you're talking about reducing the available workforce and most families simply can't afford that reduction in income. I'm guessing that the cost of raising a child factored into your decision not to have any. If it didn't, I'd ask you to look at your friends and family with kids and think about how often they talk about money problems. Don't jump on the "compound interest" thing just yet. We'll get back to it. In the meantime, think about how you're going to teach that concept to kids who are more interested in the TV than their webcam.
Online teachers being more engaging: Teachers have a plethora of games and activities in their repertoire in order to engage students... in the classroom. Teachers know that these activities solidify the material in the brains of the students. And we can't do them online... not without a bunch of special third-party apps etc.
But then we have to get into making sure that the apps are cross-platform compatible, that they have all been downloaded prior to class, and that the child knows how to access it and so on.
Let's not even get into internet speed.
I taught online classes during lockdown and they required far more prep time and I still spent more time trying to wrangle unattended students than I would have liked.
I'm not saying that online classes are bad. I'm just saying that they might not be the panacea you think they are.
4. Yup. He positively spent billions on an easily surmountable monument to his vanity.
5. How smart does one have to be? Well... you have to be smart enough to do all of those things on your own. You have to be smart enough to know why we do those things that are being taught. You have to be TALENTED enough to impart that knowledge so that the students internalize it.
I'm not the best teacher in the world... China... or even this city, but I am damn good and probably way better than most. And it's because I care about what I'm doing.
6. I agree that kids should be taught "life skills" in school. They should know about saving money, counting change without a calculator, and much, much more, but I'm not in charge.
But here's one for you: In most of the training centers teaching little kids here in China there is a big cabinet in the lobby with all sorts of toys, school supplies, and so on. That's the "store." The students earn "points" or "money" from doing homework, excelling in activities, answering correctly, and so on. They learn how to count. They learn how to save so that they can make purchases from the school "store."
Could teachers in the US do something similar with some donated items and a fist full of Monopoly money? Of course. Why don't they? I'm not sure. I'll try to remember to touch base with my daughter on the topic and get back to you.
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Post by mrright on Jul 30, 2021 14:08:55 GMT
why not? govt will just take care of them anyway
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Parental involvement and interest is the key.![[cheers]](http://storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/engyBVslEdpmpmdnBwZQ.gif)
