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Post by Prometheus on Jul 24, 2021 1:25:06 GMT
While other - just as lethal - products of science are on store shelves for anyone to buy As I said, people are the weak link in this chain. However, what did you have in mind that's as potentially dangerous as a nuclear weapon... or a runaway nuclear power plant... and can be bought off a store shelf? I thought we were talking about sensible gun legislation  |
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Post by ant-mac on Jul 24, 2021 4:25:17 GMT
As I said, people are the weak link in this chain. However, what did you have in mind that's as potentially dangerous as a nuclear weapon... or a runaway nuclear power plant... and can be bought off a store shelf? I thought we were talking about sensible gun legislation I thought we were comparing atomic technology and firearm technology. However, if you wish to discuss sensible firearm legislation... FIREARM CONTROL - A few ideas in no particular order. Obviously, they might need to be improved, refined and strengthened, based upon experience and feedback from law enforcement. 01. Criminal and psychological background checks on all potential firearm owners. No one may own a firearm without possessing a firearm licence. Unsuitable individuals shall be denied a firearm licence and listed on a national registry of unsuitable firearm owners. 02. Law enforcement must be informed within 24 hours of all private firearm and ammunition sales by both the buyer and the seller. The firearm or firearms must be presented for inspection and approval. No person can buy or sell a firearm with possessing a firearm licence. Failure to do so will result in immediate confiscation and destruction of all firearms and ammunition from the offender. The firearm licence of the individual will also be permanently revoked and they will be listed on a national registry of unsuitable firearm owners. 03. Law enforcement must be informed about all individuals who share the abode with and have potential access to a firearm owner's weaponry. If considered necessary by LEOs, criminal and psychological background checks will also be carried out on these other individuals. If any individual is found to be unsuitable, all firearms and ammunition must be removed from the abode and stored at a gun club. 04. An individual must be 18 years-of-age to purchase a firearm licence, a firearm or ammunition. No individual 12 years-of-age or younger may possess a firearm or use one. Individuals between 13 and 17 years-of-age may only use a firearm under the strict supervision of a parent, guardian or licenced firearms expert. 05. A restriction on how the types of firearms that can be owned by an individual. Only handguns, shotguns and rifles will be permitted. All firearms must be registered with law enforcement within 24 hours of purchase. All firearms must be factory standard, with no personal modifications allowed, without a lawful permit. 06. A restriction on how many weapons that can be owned by an individual. A maximum of 4 examples of any one type, or 12 in total. An exemption can be made for legally licensed gun shop owners and legally accredited firearm collectors. For firearm collectors, all display weapons must be permanently disabled. 07. A restriction on how much ammunition can be owned for each category of weapon. 500 rounds for all handguns, 500 rounds for all shotguns, 1000 rounds for all rifles. All ammunition must be of a standard type, with no personal modifications allowed, without a lawful permit. "Cop-killer", "dum-dum" and other similar "special purpose" ammunition is not permitted. 08. A restriction on the magazine capacity for each type of weapon. No magazine for any firearm type shall hold more than 12 rounds. With 1 round allowed in the breach, no firearm shall hold more than 13 rounds in total. 09. A restriction on how many firearms can be stored in a firearm owner's abode. No more than 2 handguns, 1 shotgun and 1 rifle can be stored in a firearm owner's abode in total - regardless of how many individuals live there. All other weapons must be stored under secure circumstances at a gun club. The storage facility at the gun club must be inspected and approved by a LEO on an annual basis. 10. All firearm owners must be listed on a firearm owners' registry and be registered members of at least one gun club. 11. All firearms must be securely stored under lock and key at a separate location from the ammunition in a firearm owner's abode. The storage facility must be inspected and approved by a LEO on an annual basis. 12. All ammunition must be similarly stored under lock and key at a separate location from the firearms in a firearm owner's abode. The storage facility must be inspected and approved by a LEO on an annual basis. 13. All firearms must be fitted with an approved safety catch and possess an easily identifiable registration number. An absence of either will result in immediate confiscation and destruction of the firearm. 14. All firearms that are transported in a public space must be unloaded. They must be securely stored under lock and key at a separate location from the ammunition in a firearm owner's vehicle. Ammunition must also be stored under lock and key in a firearm owner's vehicle. 15. All firearms of all types and their ammunition must be inspected and approved by a LEO or an authorised technician on an annual basis. 16. It is a federal offense to knowingly break any firearms law. Punishment includes severe fines, mandatory incarceration, confiscation and destruction of all related firearms, permanent revoking of firearm licence and listing on a national registry of unsuitable firearm owners. |
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Post by Prometheus on Jul 24, 2021 8:30:10 GMT
I thought we were talking about sensible gun legislation I thought we were comparing atomic technology and firearm technology. However, if you wish to discuss sensible firearm legislation... FIREARM CONTROL - A few ideas in no particular order. Obviously, they might need to be improved, refined and strengthened, based upon experience and feedback from law enforcement. 01. Criminal and psychological background checks on all potential firearm owners. No one may own a firearm without possessing a firearm licence. Unsuitable individuals shall be denied a firearm licence and listed on a national registry of unsuitable firearm owners. 02. Law enforcement must be informed within 24 hours of all private firearm and ammunition sales by both the buyer and the seller. The firearm or firearms must be presented for inspection and approval. No person can buy or sell a firearm with possessing a firearm licence. Failure to do so will result in immediate confiscation and destruction of all firearms and ammunition from the offender. The firearm licence of the individual will also be permanently revoked and they will be listed on a national registry of unsuitable firearm owners. 03. Law enforcement must be informed about all individuals who share the abode with and have potential access to a firearm owner's weaponry. If considered necessary by LEOs, criminal and psychological background checks will also be carried out on these other individuals. If any individual is found to be unsuitable, all firearms and ammunition must be removed from the abode and stored at a gun club. 04. An individual must be 18 years-of-age to purchase a firearm licence, a firearm or ammunition. No individual 12 years-of-age or younger may possess a firearm or use one. Individuals between 13 and 17 years-of-age may only use a firearm under the strict supervision of a parent, guardian or licenced firearms expert. 05. A restriction on how the types of firearms that can be owned by an individual. Only handguns, shotguns and rifles will be permitted. All firearms must be registered with law enforcement within 24 hours of purchase. All firearms must be factory standard, with no personal modifications allowed, without a lawful permit. 06. A restriction on how many weapons that can be owned by an individual. A maximum of 4 examples of any one type, or 12 in total. An exemption can be made for legally licensed gun shop owners and legally accredited firearm collectors. For firearm collectors, all display weapons must be permanently disabled. 07. A restriction on how much ammunition can be owned for each category of weapon. 500 rounds for all handguns, 500 rounds for all shotguns, 1000 rounds for all rifles. All ammunition must be of a standard type, with no personal modifications allowed, without a lawful permit. "Cop-killer", "dum-dum" and other similar "special purpose" ammunition is not permitted. 08. A restriction on the magazine capacity for each type of weapon. No magazine for any firearm type shall hold more than 12 rounds. With 1 round allowed in the breach, no firearm shall hold more than 13 rounds in total. 09. A restriction on how many firearms can be stored in a firearm owner's abode. No more than 2 handguns, 1 shotgun and 1 rifle can be stored in a firearm owner's abode in total - regardless of how many individuals live there. All other weapons must be stored under secure circumstances at a gun club. The storage facility at the gun club must be inspected and approved by a LEO on an annual basis. 10. All firearm owners must be listed on a firearm owners' registry and be registered members of at least one gun club. 11. All firearms must be securely stored under lock and key at a separate location from the ammunition in a firearm owner's abode. The storage facility must be inspected and approved by a LEO on an annual basis. 12. All ammunition must be similarly stored under lock and key at a separate location from the firearms in a firearm owner's abode. The storage facility must be inspected and approved by a LEO on an annual basis. 13. All firearms must be fitted with an approved safety catch and possess an easily identifiable registration number. An absence of either will result in immediate confiscation and destruction of the firearm. 14. All firearms that are transported in a public space must be unloaded. They must be securely stored under lock and key at a separate location from the ammunition in a firearm owner's vehicle. Ammunition must also be stored under lock and key in a firearm owner's vehicle. 15. All firearms of all types and their ammunition must be inspected and approved by a LEO or an authorised technician on an annual basis. 16. It is a federal offense to knowingly break any firearms law. Punishment includes severe fines, mandatory incarceration, confiscation and destruction of all related firearms, permanent revoking of firearm licence and listing on a national registry of unsuitable firearm owners. 1. Reasonable but untenable in the US due to the Health Information Potability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) which restricts access to medical information 2. Reasonable but when are the police going to have time to go after the real criminals?
3. Unreasonable and untenable. Untenable due to HIPAA and unreasonable because there are safes, trigger locks, etc.
4. OK but I'd lower the age to about 8 or 10
5. So... all kinds of firearms including full-auto. ![[cheers]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/engyBVslEdpmpmdnBwZQ.gif) Got it.* I need to have a license to change my grips from wood to mother-of-pearl? That seems a bit excessive
6. Fuck no.
7. Except for the "special purpose ammunition": Fuck no
8. Fuck no
9. No. See #3
10. NO
11 & 12. NO
13. Hey! You finally got around to dealing with criminal-owned guns. That took a while....
14. Reasonable except where a person has a "concealed carry" license
15. See #2... also, is it going to be my fault if the cops never show up to do the inspection or was I supposed to load up my weapons then stand in line at the police station?
16. Too bad all the cops will be too busy doing inspections to actually get out there and find those lawbreakers....
Overall, your proposed legislation looks like the usual, "Make life hard for law-abiding gun owners" crap that gets trotted out all the time. I really don't understand the point of hammering legal gun owners when they are responsible for only about 3% of all murders in the US.
Tell me what you're going to do to get the ILLEGAL guns off the streets first and then we can re-visit.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to get back to "Building a Nuclear Reactor for Dummies" by David Hahn.
*I don't think that's what you intended, but it IS what you said
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Post by ant-mac on Jul 24, 2021 9:23:40 GMT
I thought we were comparing atomic technology and firearm technology. However, if you wish to discuss sensible firearm legislation... FIREARM CONTROL - A few ideas in no particular order. Obviously, they might need to be improved, refined and strengthened, based upon experience and feedback from law enforcement. 01. Criminal and psychological background checks on all potential firearm owners. No one may own a firearm without possessing a firearm licence. Unsuitable individuals shall be denied a firearm licence and listed on a national registry of unsuitable firearm owners. 02. Law enforcement must be informed within 24 hours of all private firearm and ammunition sales by both the buyer and the seller. The firearm or firearms must be presented for inspection and approval. No person can buy or sell a firearm with possessing a firearm licence. Failure to do so will result in immediate confiscation and destruction of all firearms and ammunition from the offender. The firearm licence of the individual will also be permanently revoked and they will be listed on a national registry of unsuitable firearm owners. 03. Law enforcement must be informed about all individuals who share the abode with and have potential access to a firearm owner's weaponry. If considered necessary by LEOs, criminal and psychological background checks will also be carried out on these other individuals. If any individual is found to be unsuitable, all firearms and ammunition must be removed from the abode and stored at a gun club. 04. An individual must be 18 years-of-age to purchase a firearm licence, a firearm or ammunition. No individual 12 years-of-age or younger may possess a firearm or use one. Individuals between 13 and 17 years-of-age may only use a firearm under the strict supervision of a parent, guardian or licenced firearms expert. 05. A restriction on how the types of firearms that can be owned by an individual. Only handguns, shotguns and rifles will be permitted. All firearms must be registered with law enforcement within 24 hours of purchase. All firearms must be factory standard, with no personal modifications allowed, without a lawful permit. 06. A restriction on how many weapons that can be owned by an individual. A maximum of 4 examples of any one type, or 12 in total. An exemption can be made for legally licensed gun shop owners and legally accredited firearm collectors. For firearm collectors, all display weapons must be permanently disabled. 07. A restriction on how much ammunition can be owned for each category of weapon. 500 rounds for all handguns, 500 rounds for all shotguns, 1000 rounds for all rifles. All ammunition must be of a standard type, with no personal modifications allowed, without a lawful permit. "Cop-killer", "dum-dum" and other similar "special purpose" ammunition is not permitted. 08. A restriction on the magazine capacity for each type of weapon. No magazine for any firearm type shall hold more than 12 rounds. With 1 round allowed in the breach, no firearm shall hold more than 13 rounds in total. 09. A restriction on how many firearms can be stored in a firearm owner's abode. No more than 2 handguns, 1 shotgun and 1 rifle can be stored in a firearm owner's abode in total - regardless of how many individuals live there. All other weapons must be stored under secure circumstances at a gun club. The storage facility at the gun club must be inspected and approved by a LEO on an annual basis. 10. All firearm owners must be listed on a firearm owners' registry and be registered members of at least one gun club. 11. All firearms must be securely stored under lock and key at a separate location from the ammunition in a firearm owner's abode. The storage facility must be inspected and approved by a LEO on an annual basis. 12. All ammunition must be similarly stored under lock and key at a separate location from the firearms in a firearm owner's abode. The storage facility must be inspected and approved by a LEO on an annual basis. 13. All firearms must be fitted with an approved safety catch and possess an easily identifiable registration number. An absence of either will result in immediate confiscation and destruction of the firearm. 14. All firearms that are transported in a public space must be unloaded. They must be securely stored under lock and key at a separate location from the ammunition in a firearm owner's vehicle. Ammunition must also be stored under lock and key in a firearm owner's vehicle. 15. All firearms of all types and their ammunition must be inspected and approved by a LEO or an authorised technician on an annual basis. 16. It is a federal offense to knowingly break any firearms law. Punishment includes severe fines, mandatory incarceration, confiscation and destruction of all related firearms, permanent revoking of firearm licence and listing on a national registry of unsuitable firearm owners. 1. Reasonable but untenable in the US due to the Health Information Potability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) which restricts access to medical information 2. Reasonable but when are the police going to have time to go after the real criminals?
3. Unreasonable and untenable. Untenable due to HIPAA and unreasonable because there are safes, trigger locks, etc.
4. OK but I'd lower the age to about 8 or 10
5. So... all kinds of firearms including full-auto. Got it.* I need to have a license to change my grips from wood to mother-of-pearl? That seems a bit excessive
6. Fuck no.
7. Except for the "special purpose ammunition": Fuck no
8. Fuck no
9. No. See #3
10. NO
11 & 12. NO
13. Hey! You finally got around to dealing with criminal-owned guns. That took a while....
14. Reasonable except where a person has a "concealed carry" license
15. See #2... also, is it going to be my fault if the cops never show up to do the inspection or was I supposed to load up my weapons then stand in line at the police station?
16. Too bad all the cops will be too busy doing inspections to actually get out there and find those lawbreakers....
Overall, your proposed legislation looks like the usual, "Make life hard for law-abiding gun owners" crap that gets trotted out all the time. I really don't understand the point of hammering legal gun owners when they are responsible for only about 3% of all murders in the US.
Tell me what you're going to do to get the ILLEGAL guns off the streets first and then we can re-visit.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to get back to "Building a Nuclear Reactor for Dummies" by David Hahn.
*I don't think that's what you intended, but it IS what you said
1. It's about comprehensive, nationwide gun control. And if something can be done about that 3% you mentioned, I'm all for it. 2. First, these new suggestions are made into law. Once the transition period is over, it should be much easier to spot all those illegal firearms you mentioned. And my approach to getting rid of illegal firearms is zero tolerance. Utilize all law enforcement agencies... including the military if necessary. 3. I'm sure your neighbours will be delighted. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 24, 2021 11:28:27 GMT
Once the transition period is over, it should be much easier to spot all those illegal firearms you mentioned. And my approach to getting rid of illegal firearms is zero tolerance. Utilize all law enforcement agencies... including the military if necessary.
Sorta like how easy it's been to spot and eliminate illegal drugs?
Zero? I'll support that if you mean the death penalty for any felon caught with a firearm.
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Post by ant-mac on Jul 24, 2021 12:15:50 GMT
Once the transition period is over, it should be much easier to spot all those illegal firearms you mentioned. And my approach to getting rid of illegal firearms is zero tolerance. Utilize all law enforcement agencies... including the military if necessary.
Sorta like how easy it's been to spot and eliminate illegal drugs?
Zero? I'll support that if you mean the death penalty for any felon caught with a firearm.
I come from a civilized country - just ask the Aboriginals - so when I say "zero tolerance", I mean no charges waved, no suspended sentences and no time off for good behaviour. And just because the task is difficult, that's no reason not to try. After all, where would the Moon Landing or 911 fakers be if they'd given up at the first hurdle?  |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 24, 2021 13:52:25 GMT
I come from a civilized country - just ask the Aboriginals - so when I say "zero tolerance", I mean no charges waved, no suspended sentences and no time off for good behaviour. And just because the task is difficult, that's no reason not to try. After all, where would the Moon Landing or 911 fakers be if they'd given up at the first hurdle?
Civilized? Oh, how gauche!
The good olde days of words meaning what they meant and prison sentences actually being precise.........before 'progress' was made.
I don't mind difficult tasks being conquered........ I do mind throwing good money after bad for decades. Govt is often the ultimate in Cost Sunk Fallacy
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Post by ant-mac on Jul 24, 2021 14:06:21 GMT
I come from a civilized country - just ask the Aboriginals - so when I say "zero tolerance", I mean no charges waved, no suspended sentences and no time off for good behaviour. And just because the task is difficult, that's no reason not to try. After all, where would the Moon Landing or 911 fakers be if they'd given up at the first hurdle?
Civilized? Oh, how gauche!
The good olde days of words meaning what they meant and prison sentences actually being precise.........before 'progress' was made.
I don't mind difficult tasks being conquered........ I do mind throwing good money after bad for decades. Govt is often the ultimate in Cost Sunk Fallacy Gauche?!  Is there anything more unsophisticated and socially awkward than a ginger? Life is prison should mean for the term of your natural. The only way you leave is in a pine box. Decide on the goal you want to achieve, then hire and equip the people who can get the job done. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 24, 2021 14:54:16 GMT
Gauche?! Is there anything more unsophisticated and socially awkward than a ginger? Life is prison should mean for the term of your natural. The only way you leave is in a pine box.
Decide on the goal you want to achieve, then hire and equip the people who can get the job done.
oh, Agreed with the exception of Rick Astley, maybe
And no healthcare beyond the basics of an apple and the occasional aspirin.
I was thinking about something similar this week as General Milley was being his pussy-ass self again. The US should have hired ONLY 'private contractors' and told them to kill all Al-Qaeda and Taliban......... I bet it would have cost a lot less and been accomplished 15 years ago.
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Post by ant-mac on Jul 24, 2021 15:16:56 GMT
Gauche?! Is there anything more unsophisticated and socially awkward than a ginger? Life is prison should mean for the term of your natural. The only way you leave is in a pine box.
Decide on the goal you want to achieve, then hire and equip the people who can get the job done.
oh, Agreed with the exception of Rick Astley, maybe
And no healthcare beyond the basics of an apple and the occasional aspirin.
I was thinking about something similar this week as General Milley was being his pussy-ass self again. The US should have hired ONLY 'private contractors' and told them to kill all Al-Qaeda and Taliban......... I bet it would have cost a lot less and been accomplished 15 years ago. Fuck private contractors... most of them are scum who belong in prison. Your country has the most powerful military force on the planet... at least at present. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 24, 2021 15:44:50 GMT
Fuck private contractors... most of them are scum who belong in prison.
Your country has the most powerful military force on the planet... at least at present.
That may or may not be true.........but it certainly isn't allowed to even win wars anymore. Heck, our politicians won't even properly declare war as the Constitution requires.
Those private contractors WOULD have gotten it done........or their contract may not have been paid in full. |
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Post by ant-mac on Jul 24, 2021 15:59:00 GMT
Fuck private contractors... most of them are scum who belong in prison.
Your country has the most powerful military force on the planet... at least at present.
That may or may not be true.........but it certainly isn't allowed to even win wars anymore. Heck, our politicians won't even properly declare war as the Constitution requires.
Those private contractors WOULD have gotten it done........or their contract may not have been paid in full. It's all the war crimes they commit and get away with that I object to. And because they operate "off the books", they can get away with it easier than most official military forces. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 24, 2021 16:08:20 GMT
It's all the war crimes they commit and get away with that I object to. And because they operate "off the books", they can get away with it easier than most official military forces.
Fighting a war is a war crime these days. So either do it to win it.........or don't bother, imo
Because they're private.........not governmented up and ridiculous on so many levels
They tell our soldiers they're not allowed to carry guns on base and shoot at enemy combatants until fired upon (with permission from above)
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Post by ant-mac on Jul 24, 2021 16:49:38 GMT
It's all the war crimes they commit and get away with that I object to. And because they operate "off the books", they can get away with it easier than most official military forces.
Fighting a war is a war crime these days. So either do it to win it.........or don't bother, imo
Because they're private.........not governmented up and ridiculous on so many levels
They tell our soldiers they're not allowed to carry guns on base and shoot at enemy combatants until fired upon (with permission from above)
So address the rules of engagement for the official military and fix any perceived problems. Meanwhile, imprison the scum from those private armies. |
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Post by Prometheus on Jul 24, 2021 17:34:53 GMT
1. Reasonable but untenable in the US due to the Health Information Potability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) which restricts access to medical information 2. Reasonable but when are the police going to have time to go after the real criminals?
3. Unreasonable and untenable. Untenable due to HIPAA and unreasonable because there are safes, trigger locks, etc.
4. OK but I'd lower the age to about 8 or 10
5. So... all kinds of firearms including full-auto. Got it.* I need to have a license to change my grips from wood to mother-of-pearl? That seems a bit excessive
6. Fuck no.
7. Except for the "special purpose ammunition": Fuck no
8. Fuck no
9. No. See #3
10. NO
11 & 12. NO
13. Hey! You finally got around to dealing with criminal-owned guns. That took a while....
14. Reasonable except where a person has a "concealed carry" license
15. See #2... also, is it going to be my fault if the cops never show up to do the inspection or was I supposed to load up my weapons then stand in line at the police station?
16. Too bad all the cops will be too busy doing inspections to actually get out there and find those lawbreakers....
Overall, your proposed legislation looks like the usual, "Make life hard for law-abiding gun owners" crap that gets trotted out all the time. I really don't understand the point of hammering legal gun owners when they are responsible for only about 3% of all murders in the US.
Tell me what you're going to do to get the ILLEGAL guns off the streets first and then we can re-visit.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to get back to "Building a Nuclear Reactor for Dummies" by David Hahn.
*I don't think that's what you intended, but it IS what you said
1. It's about comprehensive, nationwide gun control. And if something can be done about that 3% you mentioned, I'm all for it. 2. First, these new suggestions are made into law. Once the transition period is over, it should be much easier to spot all those illegal firearms you mentioned. And my approach to getting rid of illegal firearms is zero tolerance. Utilize all law enforcement agencies... including the military if necessary. 3. I'm sure your neighbours will be delighted. What it's about and who it targets and who it affects are all different things.
97% of legal gun owners don't do anything wrong. Why do they have to bear the brunt of the legislation?
The 3% are mostly "crimes of passion." Sure. A few lives will be saved while the rest will still end up stabbed or beaten to death. And don't give me that, "Saving just one life is worth it" shit when you're focus is on 500 murders out of 18,000 instead of the other 17,500. Maybe that drunken, abusive son-of-a-bitch needed to die....
The illegal guns are easy to spot now. All the cops know where they are: the vast majority are in the hands of gangs, but cracking down on gangs may lead to POC getting shot and the police getting raked over the coals once again - even if the dead guy is a bad guy - and bad optics plague our society so.
Using the military is out. You're talking about martial law. You're talking about fascism.
NO!
The illegal guns are coming in through our ports of entry. Abbey and his ilk want everyone focused on not letting people in while the guns slip through the fingers of customs inspectors because all of their manpower has been diverted to guarding children in cages.
I have no problem with harsher sentences for the illegal possession of a gun nor for the use of a gun in the commission of another crime, but as long as law enforcement ISN'T cracking down on ILLEGAL guns, legal gun ownership needs to be protected.
We are having this conversation today BECAUSE gun ownership is legal. If it hadn't been some 27 years ago, there's a good chance that I would be dead. My ex would be dead. And my daughter would have died in the womb.
If I ever move back to the US, one of the first things I'm doing is (legally) buying a gun. And if some fucktard tries kicking in my door, he'll get what the other fucktard got 27 years ago: 4 to center mass and a pine box.
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Post by ant-mac on Jul 25, 2021 4:01:11 GMT
1. I'm sure the authorities can walk and chew gum simultaneously.
2. We all pay a price to live in a civilized society.
3. This isn't an either / or scenario. There's no reason why all 18 000 crimes shouldn't be addressed and dealt with. And if a drunken, abusive son-of-a-bitch needs to die, then surely it's best to let the impartial authorities deal with the matter.
4. Then hire and equip people who have a similar appearance and cultural background as the people you're targeting.
5. I'm talking about cleaning up society by removing the worst threats to it... the cults, the gangs, the home-grown terrorists and so forth.
6. YES!
7. Then redeploy and refocus the efforts of those working on border security... or hire more people.
8. Then change the policies of law enforcement so they do focus on cracking down on illegal firearms.
9. I support better gun control, not the end of legal gun ownership.
10. Well, if the authorities did a better job, hopefully that won't happen again... and if they'd done that 27 years ago, it wouldn't have happened back then either.
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Post by Prometheus on Jul 25, 2021 10:05:21 GMT
1. I'm sure the authorities can walk and chew gum simultaneously. 2. We all pay a price to live in a civilized society. 3. This isn't an either / or scenario. There's no reason why all 18 000 crimes shouldn't be addressed and dealt with. And if a drunken, abusive son-of-a-bitch needs to die, then surely it's best to let the impartial authorities deal with the matter. 4. Then hire and equip people who have a similar appearance and cultural background as the people you're targeting. 5. I'm talking about cleaning up society by removing the worst threats to it... the cults, the gangs, the home-grown terrorists and so forth. 6. YES!7. Then redeploy and refocus the efforts of those working on border security... or hire more people. 8. Then change the policies of law enforcement so they do focus on cracking down on illegal firearms. 9. I support better gun control, not the end of legal gun ownership. 10. Well, if the authorities did a better job, hopefully that won't happen again... and if they'd done that 27 years ago, it wouldn't have happened back then either. 1. Would you have said that just 7 months ago? That's why I won't say it now.
2. If the price you have to pay for civilization is anti-evolutionary, then I'm not willing to pay it.
3. True, but, again, your "solutions" are only dealing with those 500 and not the others.
4. It's been done yet nothing ever seems to come of it. That means the root of the problem lies elsewhere
5. No you're not. You're talking about taking away protection from the people and placing them at the mercy of the terrorists and the gangs while the government and their prosecutors waste years "building the perfect case." How many more will die in the interim?
6. Sorry. I don't want fascism any more than I want communism. If you do, then... ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif)
7. That would be a nice idea if it hadn't already been proven to be useless. Have you looked at the stats? More and more drugs, guns, and other contraband come in every year no matter how many people we hire. That means the root of the problem lies elsewhere.
8. You were the one offering solutions: get on it!
9. And yet your solutions are only offering limits on legal ownership.
10. You mean they should have locked him up and threw away the key for his other arrests and convictions before he had a chance to kick in my door? That would have been nice but everyone's got a sob story and too many people fall for it. I figure I did society a favor and I only had the ability to give that favor because I was allowed to own a gun.
You seem to think that civilization is measured by the number of guns.
I measure it by the need for guns. If criminals have them (and I include governments in that word as well), I need them. Period.
Yes. That means that I don't think we are very civilized at all.
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Post by ant-mac on Jul 25, 2021 10:32:12 GMT
1. I'm sure the authorities can walk and chew gum simultaneously. 2. We all pay a price to live in a civilized society. 3. This isn't an either / or scenario. There's no reason why all 18 000 crimes shouldn't be addressed and dealt with. And if a drunken, abusive son-of-a-bitch needs to die, then surely it's best to let the impartial authorities deal with the matter. 4. Then hire and equip people who have a similar appearance and cultural background as the people you're targeting. 5. I'm talking about cleaning up society by removing the worst threats to it... the cults, the gangs, the home-grown terrorists and so forth. 6. YES!7. Then redeploy and refocus the efforts of those working on border security... or hire more people. 8. Then change the policies of law enforcement so they do focus on cracking down on illegal firearms. 9. I support better gun control, not the end of legal gun ownership. 10. Well, if the authorities did a better job, hopefully that won't happen again... and if they'd done that 27 years ago, it wouldn't have happened back then either. 1. Would you have said that just 7 months ago? That's why I won't say it now.
2. If the price you have to pay for civilization is anti-evolutionary, then I'm not willing to pay it.
3. True, but, again, your "solutions" are only dealing with those 500 and not the others.
4. It's been done yet nothing ever seems to come of it. That means the root of the problem lies elsewhere
5. No you're not. You're talking about taking away protection from the people and placing them at the mercy of the terrorists and the gangs while the government and their prosecutors waste years "building the perfect case." How many more will die in the interim?
6. Sorry. I don't want fascism any more than I want communism. If you do, then...
7. That would be a nice idea if it hadn't already been proven to be useless. Have you looked at the stats? More and more drugs, guns, and other contraband come in every year no matter how many people we hire. That means the root of the problem lies elsewhere.
8. You were the one offering solutions: get on it!
9. And yet your solutions are only offering limits on legal ownership.
10. You mean they should have locked him up and threw away the key for his other arrests and convictions before he had a chance to kick in my door? That would have been nice but everyone's got a sob story and too many people fall for it. I figure I did society a favor and I only had the ability to give that favor because I was allowed to own a gun.
You seem to think that civilization is measured by the number of guns.
I measure it by the need for guns. If criminals have them (and I include governments in that word as well), I need them. Period.
Yes. That means that I don't think we are very civilized at all.
1. Yes, I'd have said it 7 months ago. Aussie authorities are not perfect, but they do their best. 2. Surely evolution signifies that we become more advanced and possibly even more civilized? So put away your "boom stick" and join the rest of civilized society. 3. Those "solutions" affect everyone within society. 4. Or it still hasn't been done right. 5. My god... what third world shithole are you referring to?  6. Why not? You put up with capitalism? 7. Possibly with the people you hire... or the wages you pay them. 8. No, I'm fairly content with that status quo... where I live. It's not perfect, but it's obviously better than some other third world shitholes I've been hearing about recently... 9. Everything has limits... potentially, even the lifespan of the universe. 10. Like I said, I'm not against gun ownership... I just believe in better gun control. 10 A. No, I'm an Aussie, not a Yank. 10 B. Ah, I see you covered my point with your next comment. 10 C. Is that why you recently stated you considered America to be a failing state, or a failed experiment, or words to a similar effect? |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 25, 2021 12:18:18 GMT
So address the rules of engagement for the official military and fix any perceived problems. Meanwhile, imprison the scum from those private armies.
Have you seen what they've done to our schools?
They've done pretty much the same to the military.
We might as well defund all of it now
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Post by ant-mac on Jul 25, 2021 12:44:18 GMT
So address the rules of engagement for the official military and fix any perceived problems. Meanwhile, imprison the scum from those private armies.
Have you seen what they've done to our schools?
They've done pretty much the same to the military.
We might as well defund all of it now
Or give the guns to the school kids... at least they've got the experience and the inclination to use them. |
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