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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 27, 2021 4:48:10 GMT
For the Top 1%, sure..........but the rest?
Misery loves company and we'll have to lower our standards and expectation in order to feel better......... apparently
Actually, "done right" would mean building a stronger middle class and reducing the power of the 1% over them.
Aside from hiring more and more govt workers........... I really can not fathom how they're helping to build anything but a greater amount of tax debt.
Have they even succeeded in eliminating poverty in their most densely populated centers?
Now if basic govt was installing rules and regulations that protected American workers from globalism? That'd be one thing.........but the opposite seems to be true.
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Post by Prometheus on Jul 27, 2021 5:27:33 GMT
Actually, "done right" would mean building a stronger middle class and reducing the power of the 1% over them.
Aside from hiring more and more govt workers........... I really can not fathom how they're helping to build anything but a greater amount of tax debt.
Have they even succeeded in eliminating poverty in their most densely populated centers?
Now if basic govt was installing rules and regulations that protected American workers from globalism? That'd be one thing.........but the opposite seems to be true.
1. Of course you can't 2. How can they when they are stuck in two party thinking?
3. How does one "protect workers against globalism"?
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 27, 2021 5:33:55 GMT
1. Of course you can't 2. How can they when they are stuck in two party thinking?
3. How does one "protect workers against globalism"?
2. so 17 parties would be better?
3. By simply taking into account the differences in labor costs. The last I checked, the world pays pretty much the same price for natural resources on the open market (oil, concrete, copper, gold, etc) but the cost of labor is so varied that it must be taken into account whenever you allow a company to move overseas or import into your country, no?
Here in the US we can't even get them to understand that the Federal Minimum Wage doesn't meet the cost of living in the most expensive places, but is more than enough in much of the rest of the country.
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Post by Prometheus on Jul 27, 2021 6:02:46 GMT
1. Of course you can't 2. How can they when they are stuck in two party thinking?
3. How does one "protect workers against globalism"?
2. so 17 parties would be better?
3. By simply taking into account the differences in labor costs. The last I checked, the world pays pretty much the same price for natural resources on the open market (oil, concrete, copper, gold, etc) but the cost of labor is so varied that it must be taken into account whenever you allow a company to move overseas or import into your country, no?
Here in the US we can't even get them to understand that the Federal Minimum Wage doesn't meet the cost of living in the most expensive places, but is more than enough in much of the rest of the country.
2. If we had a Westminster style system, yes
3. Without getting into the subtleties of commodity trading (or import tariffs), I'll stipulate that labor costs are the main driver of labor off-shoring. However, if you want to try to talk about minimum wages in the US at the same time then you'll have to accept that the only way to keep the jobs at home would be to make the minimum wage about $4/hour and reduce the prices of basic consumer goods to a level where the average $4-an-hour worker could afford them.
You'd literally have to FORCE companies to reduce their prices to 1960's levels and wages to 1980's levels.
Have fun!
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 27, 2021 6:13:06 GMT
2. If we had a Westminster style system, yes
3. Without getting into the subtleties of commodity trading (or import tariffs), I'll stipulate that labor costs are the main driver of labor off-shoring. However, if you want to try to talk about minimum wages in the US at the same time then you'll have to accept that the only way to keep the jobs at home would be to make the minimum wage about $4/hour and reduce the prices of basic consumer goods to a level where the average $4-an-hour worker could afford them.
You'd literally have to FORCE companies to reduce their prices to 1960's levels and wages to 1980's levels.
Have fun!
OR........... you'd simply factor in the difference in labor costs and tack on a tariff that accounts for it. ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif)
Companies can not be forced to lower prices so that it is no longer profitable or worth the bother. That's a non-starter.
They're not the Government that can operate at a loss year after year.
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Post by Prometheus on Jul 27, 2021 6:26:38 GMT
2. If we had a Westminster style system, yes
3. Without getting into the subtleties of commodity trading (or import tariffs), I'll stipulate that labor costs are the main driver of labor off-shoring. However, if you want to try to talk about minimum wages in the US at the same time then you'll have to accept that the only way to keep the jobs at home would be to make the minimum wage about $4/hour and reduce the prices of basic consumer goods to a level where the average $4-an-hour worker could afford them.
You'd literally have to FORCE companies to reduce their prices to 1960's levels and wages to 1980's levels.
Have fun!
OR........... you'd simply factor in the difference in labor costs and tack on a tariff that accounts for it.
Companies can not be forced to lower prices so that it is no longer profitable or worth the bother. That's a non-starter.
They're not the Government that can operate at a loss year after year.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 27, 2021 6:33:31 GMT
OR........... you'd simply factor in the difference in labor costs and tack on a tariff that accounts for it.
Companies can not be forced to lower prices so that it is no longer profitable or worth the bother. That's a non-starter.
They're not the Government that can operate at a loss year after year.
You really need to take a class or two in macro-economics.
Do you prefer the flavors of Paul Krugman and Robert Reich?............ or would you suggest Milton Friedman had a better handle on reality?
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Post by Prometheus on Jul 27, 2021 15:57:09 GMT
You really need to take a class or two in macro-economics.
Do you prefer the flavors of Paul Krugman and Robert Reich?............ or would you suggest Milton Friedman had a better handle on reality?
If I thought you actually understood any of them, we could have a conversation.
But I don't think you understand a thing about any of them beyond the bare necessities.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jul 28, 2021 4:12:28 GMT
Do you prefer the flavors of Paul Krugman and Robert Reich?............ or would you suggest Milton Friedman had a better handle on reality?
If I thought you actually understood any of them, we could have a conversation.
But I don't think you understand a thing about any of them beyond the bare necessities.
That's sorta been my point all along.............if even an idiot like myself, working with such little resources can get by.........then what possible excuse can you continue to provide for the masses here in the US?
They're not ALL suffering catastrophic health issues. They're not ALL walking around with serious brain defects. |
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Post by Prometheus on Jul 28, 2021 11:36:43 GMT
If I thought you actually understood any of them, we could have a conversation.
But I don't think you understand a thing about any of them beyond the bare necessities.
That's sorta been my point all along.............if even an idiot like myself, working with such little resources can get by.........then what possible excuse can you continue to provide for the masses here in the US?
They're not ALL suffering catastrophic health issues. They're not ALL walking around with serious brain defects. So now we're switching gears again?
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Post by mrright on Jul 30, 2021 14:24:11 GMT
another brain dead lib created "crisis"
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