I Don't Think Lily Will Spend More

[abbey1227]

Jul 4, 2021 1:15:44 GMT Prometheus said:

Jul 3, 2021 11:56:47 GMT abbey1227 said:

The only people I kick in the nuts are those with aspirations and dreams of living off of others for the entirety of their lives.

They keep insisting the American Dream is dead........and yet my example shows how it can be done with even a modest bit of effort and planning.

But the excuse makers are always there to defend them..........usually in exchange for votes.

Work:

A. Most people can and do

B. A very few can't and therefore don't

C. Many people can and want to but can't find enough or have run out of time in the day/week

D. A few can but don't want to

Let's eliminate Group B as I think we can agree that people with severe physical and mental disabilities aren't part of the larger picture. Fair?

Your concern is about Group D, but you conflate them with Group C... probably so that you can have an "example" to point to.

UHC would help all Groups. With Group C, since a large, financial burden has been lifted, they might find that they now don't have as many time constraints and opt to get to work. You might say that they won't. I say it's worth a shot especially since I get the benefit too and I really want more people in the workplace paying taxes.

Group D will still exist. My solution to that was a concept that I called "The Obligation of the Citizen" which most people on v2 (admittedly, mostly the "libs") hated.

Either way, I think that, in the end, the size of Group D will diminish with time.

Improving our educational system would benefit all groups and help to diminish the size of Group D further while enhancing opportunities for Groups A and C and potentially leading to breakthroughs that diminish the numbers of Group B as well.

Our education system is one of those poorly-run programs that you rail against. I think that the right people working from the right plan could put the US right back at the top of the lists of "Best Education Systems in the World."

It WILL cost money. It will increase your taxes. But it will also lead to better lives for your descendants... or those of people who have descendants.

I think it can be done, but I'm guessing that you'll say that the right people and right plan will never be found or that some other government boondoggle will fuck it all up.

I like being a person with dreams and aspirations for my country and my fellow Americans.

I really could agree with a lot of that.......but for watching people and DC all these years.

I really don't say 'never'.....it's just very, very unlikely as Americans keep choosing the easy/foolish path again and again to their own detriment.

In a weird way, Dude........ I am that person, too. Otherwise why would I even bother trying to suggest a better path forward? Embracing ideas that have and do work?

I also want ALL Americans to succeed........because of course that makes it better for everyone.

[Prometheus]

Jul 4, 2021 12:38:36 GMT abbey1227 said:

Jul 4, 2021 1:15:44 GMT Prometheus said:

Work:

A. Most people can and do

B. A very few can't and therefore don't

C. Many people can and want to but can't find enough or have run out of time in the day/week

D. A few can but don't want to

Let's eliminate Group B as I think we can agree that people with severe physical and mental disabilities aren't part of the larger picture. Fair?

Your concern is about Group D, but you conflate them with Group C... probably so that you can have an "example" to point to.

UHC would help all Groups. With Group C, since a large, financial burden has been lifted, they might find that they now don't have as many time constraints and opt to get to work. You might say that they won't. I say it's worth a shot especially since I get the benefit too and I really want more people in the workplace paying taxes.

Group D will still exist. My solution to that was a concept that I called "The Obligation of the Citizen" which most people on v2 (admittedly, mostly the "libs") hated.

Either way, I think that, in the end, the size of Group D will diminish with time.

Improving our educational system would benefit all groups and help to diminish the size of Group D further while enhancing opportunities for Groups A and C and potentially leading to breakthroughs that diminish the numbers of Group B as well.

Our education system is one of those poorly-run programs that you rail against. I think that the right people working from the right plan could put the US right back at the top of the lists of "Best Education Systems in the World."

It WILL cost money. It will increase your taxes. But it will also lead to better lives for your descendants... or those of people who have descendants.

I think it can be done, but I'm guessing that you'll say that the right people and right plan will never be found or that some other government boondoggle will fuck it all up.

I like being a person with dreams and aspirations for my country and my fellow Americans.

I really could agree with a lot of that.......but for watching people and DC all these years.

I really don't say 'never'.....it's just very, very unlikely as Americans keep choosing the easy/foolish path again and again to their own detriment.

In a weird way, Dude........ I am that person, too. Otherwise why would I even bother trying to suggest a better path forward? Embracing ideas that have and do work?

I also want ALL Americans to succeed........because of course that makes it better for everyone.

Then I think you need to get on board with giving it a shot. Make your voice heard that you want the best people in charge and not just some campaign contributor. That's fair.

I think that there are good people working in the government. I think they are "keeping the lights on" as it were, but we never hear about them and that's because they are doing a good job. The news cycle only runs on fuck-ups.

[abbey1227]

Jul 5, 2021 2:56:22 GMT Prometheus said:

Jul 4, 2021 12:38:36 GMT abbey1227 said:

Then I think you need to get on board with giving it a shot. Make your voice heard that you want the best people in charge and not just some campaign contributor. That's fair.

I think that there are good people working in the government. I think they are "keeping the lights on" as it were, but we never hear about them and that's because they are doing a good job. The news cycle only runs on fuck-ups.

The news cycle only runs on perceived f-ups that go against the agenda.

They're cheerleaders for the repeated failures, though.

Sorry, I've been getting this same speech from another person that feels it's my duty to go out and recruit new conservative voters.

I'm more than happy to discuss all sorts of subjects and my own opinions..... but dragging people towards common sense? That's like the war on drugs, imo. Futile

[Prometheus]

Jul 5, 2021 4:36:14 GMT abbey1227 said:

Jul 5, 2021 2:56:22 GMT Prometheus said:

Then I think you need to get on board with giving it a shot. Make your voice heard that you want the best people in charge and not just some campaign contributor. That's fair.

I think that there are good people working in the government. I think they are "keeping the lights on" as it were, but we never hear about them and that's because they are doing a good job. The news cycle only runs on fuck-ups.

The news cycle only runs on perceived f-ups that go against the agenda.

They're cheerleaders for the repeated failures, though.

Sorry, I've been getting this same speech from another person that feels it's my duty to go out and recruit new conservative voters.

I'm more than happy to discuss all sorts of subjects and my own opinions..... but dragging people towards common sense? That's like the war on drugs, imo. Futile

Don't I know it.