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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 27, 2021 11:50:36 GMT
Why Police Have Been Quitting in Droves in the Last YearAsheville, N.C., has been among the hardest hit by police departures in the wake of last year’s George Floyd protests. About a third of the force quit or retired.
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 27, 2021 15:56:49 GMT
Can't read it. I don't have an account
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 27, 2021 16:04:31 GMT
Can't read it. I don't have an account
All the News That’s Fit to Print ............for a $Fee |
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 27, 2021 16:17:02 GMT
Can't read it. I don't have an account
All the News That’s Fit to Print ............for a $Fee If you have an account, I suppose you could C&P the content.... |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 27, 2021 16:29:52 GMT
All the News That’s Fit to Print ............for a $Fee If you have an account, I suppose you could C&P the content....
or more Yahoo links..........
Axios
Cop crisis: Thousands of police officers have quit over the last year
Mike Allen Fri, June 25, 2021, 6:15 AM·1 min read
As crime spikes, cops are quitting nationwide, often blaming the constant harassment and stress of ordinary people and powerful politicians turning against their profession.
Why it matters: The killings by police in 2020 turned many Americans — including liberal activists and many in the media — into harsh critics of law enforcement, with loud calls to defund the police. A year later, there’s a cop shortage, and Democrats are scrambling to reverse their rhetoric and some policies.
An eye-opening front-page New York Times story today, "Why Police Have Been Quitting in Droves in the Last Year" (subscription), found that Asheville, N.C., has lost 80 of 238 cops:
"Chief David Zack, 58, said that officers were pushed to quit because the protests were directed at them. 'They said that we have become the bad guys, and we did not get into this to become the bad guys.'"
A survey of 194 police agencies, released this month by the Police Executive Research Forum, found that for the year ending in April, retirements were up 45% — and resignations up 18% — from the previous year.
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 27, 2021 16:41:11 GMT
If you have an account, I suppose you could C&P the content....
or more Yahoo links..........
Axios
Cop crisis: Thousands of police officers have quit over the last year
Mike Allen Fri, June 25, 2021, 6:15 AM·1 min read
As crime spikes, cops are quitting nationwide, often blaming the constant harassment and stress of ordinary people and powerful politicians turning against their profession.
Why it matters: The killings by police in 2020 turned many Americans — including liberal activists and many in the media — into harsh critics of law enforcement, with loud calls to defund the police. A year later, there’s a cop shortage, and Democrats are scrambling to reverse their rhetoric and some policies.
An eye-opening front-page New York Times story today, "Why Police Have Been Quitting in Droves in the Last Year" (subscription), found that Asheville, N.C., has lost 80 of 238 cops:
"Chief David Zack, 58, said that officers were pushed to quit because the protests were directed at them. 'They said that we have become the bad guys, and we did not get into this to become the bad guys.'"
A survey of 194 police agencies, released this month by the Police Executive Research Forum, found that for the year ending in April, retirements were up 45% — and resignations up 18% — from the previous year.
Number of surprised people: ZERO
Sadly, I'm betting that the guys who are quitting are the ones that should stay and the guys that are staying are the ones that should leave.
Crime is going to go up and so is the number of police shootings.
Better watch out or the crisis just might result in the nationalization of the police force....
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 27, 2021 16:44:49 GMT
Number of surprised people: ZERO
Sadly, I'm betting that the guys who are quitting are the ones that should stay and the guys that are staying are the ones that should leave.
Crime is going to go up and so is the number of police shootings.
Better watch out or the crisis just might result in the nationalization of the police force....
You often manage to take these thoughts in a direction I hadn't thought of .........which is good.
Don't you believe that's sorta part of their big plan all along?
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 27, 2021 17:06:07 GMT
Number of surprised people: ZERO
Sadly, I'm betting that the guys who are quitting are the ones that should stay and the guys that are staying are the ones that should leave.
Crime is going to go up and so is the number of police shootings.
Better watch out or the crisis just might result in the nationalization of the police force....
You often manage to take these thoughts in a direction I hadn't thought of .........which is good.
Don't you believe that's sorta part of their big plan all along?
I'm not as conspiracy-minded as you to think that there is some massive plan behind everything... but since I typed it, I have been going through the pros and cons in my head. I've even looked up some numbers:
There are about 18,000 police agencies in the US (including the feds and campus police) with about more than half of those agencies having 10 or fewer officers.
There are just a little over 910,000 police officers in the US which is 1 cop for every 364 citizens
I can see the pros being: standardized requirements and training but the cons mostly have to do with the variability of state laws.
I suppose you could split the difference and make the Staties the only police force in a state and subsume all other forces within them. ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif)
It's an interesting thought exercise at least.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 28, 2021 0:07:08 GMT
There are about 18,000 police agencies in the US (including the feds and campus police) with about more than half of those agencies having 10 or fewer officers.
There are just a little over 910,000 police officers in the US which is 1 cop for every 364 citizens
and that's INCLUDING lame ass campus cops?
I wouldn't have guessed such a low ratio.
But at the same time, I would prefer less Govt
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 28, 2021 2:12:17 GMT
There are about 18,000 police agencies in the US (including the feds and campus police) with about more than half of those agencies having 10 or fewer officers.
There are just a little over 910,000 police officers in the US which is 1 cop for every 364 citizens
and that's INCLUDING lame ass campus cops?
I wouldn't have guessed such a low ratio.
But at the same time, I would prefer less Govt
Not sure. I just found another source putting it at 1 cop per 420.
It's interesting that you mention preferring a smaller government when I suspect that most people would put "police force" fairly high on a list of services that should be supplied by the government.
Our military (active, reserve, and guard) is about 2.5 million men and women or about 1 soldier for every 134 citizens.
On average, only about 1.1 million of our troops are actually in the US at any given time. That means that, IF there were some sort of widespread disaster or insurrection, the best we could hope for is to double the numbers of police in order to provide immediate aid or strength of arms.
However, if all military personnel were at home, there number plus the police, might actually start making me a little worried.
So much to think about...
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 28, 2021 2:17:58 GMT
Not sure. I just found another source putting it at 1 cop per 420.
It's interesting that you mention preferring a smaller government when I suspect that most people would put "police force" fairly high on a list of services that should be supplied by the government.
Our military (active, reserve, and guard) is about 2.5 million men and women or about 1 soldier for every 134 citizens.
On average, only about 1.1 million of our troops are actually in the US at any given time. That means that, IF there were some sort of widespread disaster or insurrection, the best we could hope for is to double the numbers of police in order to provide immediate aid or strength of arms.
However, if all military personnel were at home, there number plus the police, might actually start making me a little worried.
So much to think about...
I guess I would have guessed closer to 75-100 citizens for every cop. (EDITED)
People want law and order.........I find it hard to understand how they expect that without police? But then again, I'm overly optimistic that most people would behave.....and with greater 2nd Amendment support, they'd kinda be forced to.
That number seems closer to what I thought......but look what it's used for.....protecting the US? Or occupying the rest of the globe while basically ignoring US borders?
Why worry? It's all under the direction of an elected body that has shown no compunction to abuse that power.  |
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 28, 2021 2:30:55 GMT
Not sure. I just found another source putting it at 1 cop per 420.
It's interesting that you mention preferring a smaller government when I suspect that most people would put "police force" fairly high on a list of services that should be supplied by the government.
Our military (active, reserve, and guard) is about 2.5 million men and women or about 1 soldier for every 134 citizens.
On average, only about 1.1 million of our troops are actually in the US at any given time. That means that, IF there were some sort of widespread disaster or insurrection, the best we could hope for is to double the numbers of police in order to provide immediate aid or strength of arms.
However, if all military personnel were at home, there number plus the police, might actually start making me a little worried.
So much to think about...
I guess I would have guessed closer to 75-100 for every citizen.
People want law and order.........I find it hard to understand how they expect that without police? But then again, I'm overly optimistic that most people would behave.....and with greater 2nd Amendment support, they'd kinda be forced to.
That number seems closer to what I thought......but look what it's used for.....protecting the US? Or occupying the rest of the globe while basically ignoring US borders?
Why worry? It's all under the direction of an elected body that has shown no compunction to abuse that power. 1. I hope you meant that the other way around
2. So... you want smaller government but you want more police? Also, while I'm pro-2nd, I'm not sure the adage: "an armed society is a polite society" is valid when dealing with an heterogenous and largely adversarial society.
3. You thought there were 3.5 million police in the US?
4. I'm more worried that the military might abuse its power
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 28, 2021 3:38:47 GMT
1. I hope you meant that the other way around
2. So... you want smaller government but you want more police? Also, while I'm pro-2nd, I'm not sure the adage: "an armed society is a polite society" is valid when dealing with an heterogenous and largely adversarial society.
3. You thought there were 3.5 million police in the US?
4. I'm more worried that the military might abuse its power
1. whoops, yeah
2. No, I'd like less Govt, less laws, less police. I feel that's easiest to accomplish with greater 2nd Amendment support. Who is adversarial in your opinion? This includes the fact that the criminal element already has all the guns it wants.
3. I certainly would have expected more police than military.
4. How so? With an overthrow of Govt? If anything, I see the police as the more corrupted outfit....... like the politicians that order them about, they've ignored the oath they all took to uphold the Constitution and are selectively enforcing laws. More unforgivable on the politicians side because they have the ability to get rid of the laws, they just opt for the easier route of ignoring.
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 28, 2021 5:00:30 GMT
1. I hope you meant that the other way around
2. So... you want smaller government but you want more police? Also, while I'm pro-2nd, I'm not sure the adage: "an armed society is a polite society" is valid when dealing with an heterogenous and largely adversarial society.
3. You thought there were 3.5 million police in the US?
4. I'm more worried that the military might abuse its power
1. whoops, yeah
2. No, I'd like less Govt, less laws, less police. I feel that's easiest to accomplish with greater 2nd Amendment support. Who is adversarial in your opinion? This includes the fact that the criminal element already has all the guns it wants.
3. I certainly would have expected more police than military.
4. How so? With an overthrow of Govt? If anything, I see the police as the more corrupted outfit....... like the politicians that order them about, they've ignored the oath they all took to uphold the Constitution and are selectively enforcing laws. More unforgivable on the politicians side because they have the ability to get rid of the laws, they just opt for the easier route of ignoring.
2. Women vs men, blacks vs whites, LBGTQ+ vs everyone else, poor vs rich. Christians vs Muslims,... 3. Not even close
4. If you think 535 people without guns are more powerful than 2.5 million with guns, that's only because the 535 are smart enough to keep most of the 2.5 million far away from the country as much as possible and keep the ones here as far away from live ammo as much as possible.
The "that would never happen here" attitude is fading, at least in my mind.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 28, 2021 10:05:18 GMT
2. Women vs men, blacks vs whites, LBGTQ+ vs everyone else, poor vs rich. Christians vs Muslims,... 3. Not even close
4. If you think 535 people without guns are more powerful than 2.5 million with guns, that's only because the 535 are smart enough to keep most of the 2.5 million far away from the country as much as possible and keep the ones here as far away from live ammo as much as possible.
The "that would never happen here" attitude is fading, at least in my mind.
2. You feel that's a constant fight going on? Men vs Women? and the rest?
4. 
There has been an ammo shortage since at least 2008 without any real explanations.
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 28, 2021 14:46:09 GMT
2. Women vs men, blacks vs whites, LBGTQ+ vs everyone else, poor vs rich. Christians vs Muslims,... 3. Not even close
4. If you think 535 people without guns are more powerful than 2.5 million with guns, that's only because the 535 are smart enough to keep most of the 2.5 million far away from the country as much as possible and keep the ones here as far away from live ammo as much as possible.
The "that would never happen here" attitude is fading, at least in my mind.
2. You feel that's a constant fight going on? Men vs Women? and the rest?
4.
There has been an ammo shortage since at least 2008 without any real explanations.
2. I said, "adversarial"
4. I was talking about how military personnel don't have free access to any weapon or ammunition they want at all times. I thought I was being clear.
CIVILIAN ammunition shortages are not being caused by anything nefarious, Abs. They are being caused by a rise in demand that the manufacturers simply can't meet.
I fully support the right of law-abiding citizens to own guns, but just about every event in the past 20 years or so has caused a gun-buying frenzy.
9/11: everybody went and bought guns
School shooting: gotta buy more guns before the government comes for them
Democrat elected: gotta buy more guns before the government comes for them
Cop killed a black man: gotta buy more guns before the government comes for them
There's a pandemic: gotta buy more guns before the government comes for them
If you have a gun and you want 3,000 rounds of ammo, I'm OK with it. When you have 10 guns and want 3,000 rounds each, I'm still OK with it, but you've got to realize that ammunition manufacturers might not have 30,000 rounds in stock your you and each of your 90,000,000 buddies. 2.7 TRILLION rounds don't grow on trees. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 28, 2021 23:09:01 GMT
4. I was talking about how military personnel don't have free access to any weapon or ammunition they want at all times. I thought I was being clear.
CIVILIAN ammunition shortages are not being caused by anything nefarious, Abs. They are being caused by a rise in demand that the manufacturers simply can't meet.
I fully support the right of law-abiding citizens to own guns, but just about every event in the past 20 years or so has caused a gun-buying frenzy.
9/11: everybody went and bought guns
School shooting: gotta buy more guns before the government comes for them
Democrat elected: gotta buy more guns before the government comes for them
Cop killed a black man: gotta buy more guns before the government comes for them
There's a pandemic: gotta buy more guns before the government comes for them
If you have a gun and you want 3,000 rounds of ammo, I'm OK with it. When you have 10 guns and want 3,000 rounds each, I'm still OK with it, but you've got to realize that ammunition manufacturers might not have 30,000 rounds in stock your you and each of your 90,000,000 buddies. 2.7 TRILLION rounds don't grow on trees.
I gotta disagree with you there..........yes, there's been a lot of guns sold over the same time.......... so there's been no shortage of guns, right?
So where's the ramped up production of ammo? Where's the added 3rd shits? or newer businesses started? or just expanded?
No, there's just been a shortage for over 10 years and a lot of empty shelves.
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 29, 2021 3:16:31 GMT
4. I was talking about how military personnel don't have free access to any weapon or ammunition they want at all times. I thought I was being clear.
CIVILIAN ammunition shortages are not being caused by anything nefarious, Abs. They are being caused by a rise in demand that the manufacturers simply can't meet.
I fully support the right of law-abiding citizens to own guns, but just about every event in the past 20 years or so has caused a gun-buying frenzy.
9/11: everybody went and bought guns
School shooting: gotta buy more guns before the government comes for them
Democrat elected: gotta buy more guns before the government comes for them
Cop killed a black man: gotta buy more guns before the government comes for them
There's a pandemic: gotta buy more guns before the government comes for them
If you have a gun and you want 3,000 rounds of ammo, I'm OK with it. When you have 10 guns and want 3,000 rounds each, I'm still OK with it, but you've got to realize that ammunition manufacturers might not have 30,000 rounds in stock your you and each of your 90,000,000 buddies. 2.7 TRILLION rounds don't grow on trees.
I gotta disagree with you there..........yes, there's been a lot of guns sold over the same time.......... so there's been no shortage of guns, right?
So where's the ramped up production of ammo? Where's the added 3rd shits? or newer businesses started? or just expanded?
No, there's just been a shortage for over 10 years and a lot of empty shelves.
The manufacturers agree with me:
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 29, 2021 5:50:10 GMT
again.........over 10 years hasn't been enough to adjust to the demand?
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 30, 2021 1:43:29 GMT
again.........over 10 years hasn't been enough to adjust to the demand?
Demand fluctuates in all markets, especially with regard to product popularity. This month it's 9mm. Next month it's .38. Next month it's .22....
Plus you have to look at availability of component materials and the ability of the supply chain to meet the demands of ammunition manufacturers.
And let's not forget that manufacturers (up and down the chain) may be under contract fill certain orders first.
One last thing:
Over the past 15 months or so, supply chains have been further burdened by the lock-downs. They might still be trying to catch up on orders from 2019.
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