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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 23, 2021 2:49:50 GMT
Give us your money and we'll fix that...........
NBC News
Why Black people are disproportionately dying in traffic accidents
Char Adams Tue, June 22, 2021, 9:16 AM
Black people represented the largest increase in traffic deaths last year than any other racial group, even as Americans drove less overall due to the pandemic, according to recently released data.
An estimated 38,680 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes in 2020 — the largest projected number of deaths since 2007, according the U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The number of Black people who died in such crashes was up 23 percent from 2019, the largest increase in traffic deaths among racial groups, according to the administration’s report.
Norman Garrick, a civil and environmental engineering professor at the University of Connecticut, said the numbers are saddening, but not surprising.
“Black people tend to be overrepresented as walkers in this country,” Garrick said. “This is not by choice. In many cases, Black folks cannot afford motor vehicles. And people that walk in this country tend to experience a much, much higher rate of traffic fatality. We’re talking eight to 10 times more. It’s a perfect storm of a lot of horrible forces.”
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This most likely represents yet another way the health crisis has had an outsize effect on Black people. Even in the early days of the pandemic, the National Safety Council found that the emptier roads were proving to be more deadly, with a 14 percent jump in roadway deaths per miles driven in March. And Black people are more likely to face traffic injuries in general; from 2010-2019, Black pedestrians were 82 percent more likely to be hit by drivers, according to a 2021 report from Smart Growth America, a Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group focused on urban development.
Calvin Gladney, president of Smart Growth America, said the pandemic has only exacerbated the longstanding problem. He said there are three major reasons Black people bear the brunt of roadway injuries: infrastructure, design and racism. Predominantly Black neighborhoods are less likely to have crosswalks, warning signs and other safety mechanisms, he said. And many high-speed highways are in or go through communities of color, thanks to a federal effort in the 1950s to modernize the nation’s roadways.
“These fatalities have been going upward for a decade,” Gladney said. “You go to Black and brown communities, you go to lower-income communities and you don’t see many sidewalks. You don’t see as many pedestrian crossings. The types of streets that go through Black and brown neighborhoods are like mini highways where the speed limit is 35 or 45. You see this disproportionately in Black and brown communities often because of race-based decisions of the past.”
Little to no infrastructure funding means those in Black neighborhoods live with poor roads, dangerous proximity to waste sites, little access to public transportation and more. Along with the systemic nature of this problem, Gladney pointed out that social racism also plays a role in the rising number of traffic fatalities. A 2017 study from the University of Nevada found that drivers are less likely to slow down or stop for Black pedestrians than they are for white ones.
Gladney said that efforts like President Joe Biden’s proposed $2 trillion American Jobs Plan, which includes efforts to make public transportation more accessible and improve road safety, are necessary, and that although the situation is dire “it’s fixable.”
He said small policy changes like lowering the speed limit in some areas could save hundreds of lives each year. Federal efforts like the 2021 Complete Streets Act — introduced by Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn. — would ensure public roads are safe and accessible for multiple modes of travel.
“The pandemic illuminated issues that people have been ignoring,” Gladney added. “These are the same streets and the same roads that have always been there. If we have intentionality to get to racial equity and close the disparities, we actually can fix this."
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 24, 2021 3:45:51 GMT
Most pedestrians killed by motor vehicles in China are... gasp... Chinese! This part was interesting: "A 2017 study from the University of Nevada found that drivers are less likely to slow down or stop for Black pedestrians than they are for white ones." "drivers" Since there's no qualifier in front of that word, it sounds like black drivers don't slow down for black pedestrians either. ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif) Making roadways and crosswalks safer is a good thing. Trying to turn it into a race thing is just... racist. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 24, 2021 11:32:23 GMT
Most pedestrians killed by motor vehicles in China are... gasp... Chinese! This part was interesting: "A 2017 study from the University of Nevada found that drivers are less likely to slow down or stop for Black pedestrians than they are for white ones." "drivers" Since there's no qualifier in front of that word, it sounds like black drivers don't slow down for black pedestrians either. Making roadways and crosswalks safer is a good thing. Trying to turn it into a race thing is just... racist.
exactly.
How's this for a simple explanation, too? I'd guess that more car/pedestrian accidents happen at night........ and I don't know if anyone has done a study on this or anything.......but pale white people might just tend to be easier to see at night. |
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Post by permutojoe on Jun 24, 2021 11:44:16 GMT
Don't black people have worse outcomes than whites in just about every category? Why do you suppose that is?
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 25, 2021 3:11:51 GMT
Don't black people have worse outcomes than whites in just about every category? Why do you suppose that is? Actually, there are many times when their outcomes are the same or even better but then someone will drop in the "13% of the population" phrase and people without any training in statistics will think the outcomes are worse.
Example: "44% of the people on death row are black but black people are only 13% of the population!"
People get all upset about that without realizing that the "13%" thing is irrelevant unless you are suggesting that all Americans are murderers and they are all on death row.
If I were to say, "50% of all murders in the US are committed by 13% of the population," black people might get a little upset... and they should since not all black people are murderers, but black men between the ages of 15 and 30 do account for almost 50% of the murders in the US every year. That age group represents less than 2% of the entire population of the entire US and only about 12% of the black population as a whole.
But even after all that, we'd have to say that not all black men in that age range are murderers, right?
See what happens when you start playing with the numbers? That means that the only number we should concern ourselves with in the scenario offered is the number of murderers which (based on 15,000 murders in a year) would break down this way:
7,500 of them were perpetrated by a black person (including black Hispanic)
7,350 of them were perpetrated by a white person (including white Hispanic)
150 of them were perpetrated by "other"
Not all of these perpetrators will end up on death row, but with 44% of death row inmates being black and the other 56% being white (the number of "others" on death row is statistically insignificant), it's actually easy to see that whites are the ones who are "over-represented"... as long as we don't look too closely at heinousness.
In the end, looking at any numbers other than the number of murderers is simply an exercise in promoting a narrative-based agenda. Narrative-based agendas are NOT objective. And while they might promote discussing important topics, they should never be held up as "factual." They are simply critiques much like those issued by any art critic. Should we experience music, paintings, films, etc. based only on the words of critics when we know that some of them probably have an axe to grind? Should we allow the opinions of axe-grinding critics to be taught in schools as facts?
Food for thought
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 25, 2021 11:31:54 GMT
If I were to say, "50% of all murders in the US are committed by 13% of the population," black people might get a little upset... and they should since not all black people are murderers, but black men between the ages of 15 and 30 do account for almost 50% of the murders in the US every year. That age group represents less than 2% of the entire population of the entire US and only about 12% of the black population as a whole.
Food for thought
Another morsel......... the victims of those young black men......... also usually other young black men. And that's what is being completely ignored in the crying over a perceived miscarriage of justice.
It makes the Black Lives Matter mantra all the more impotent, imo
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Post by permutojoe on Jun 26, 2021 0:39:12 GMT
Don't black people have worse outcomes than whites in just about every category? Why do you suppose that is? Actually, there are many times when their outcomes are the same or even better but then someone will drop in the "13% of the population" phrase and people without any training in statistics will think the outcomes are worse.
Example: "44% of the people on death row are black but black people are only 13% of the population!"
People get all upset about that without realizing that the "13%" thing is irrelevant unless you are suggesting that all Americans are murderers and they are all on death row.
If I were to say, "50% of all murders in the US are committed by 13% of the population," black people might get a little upset... and they should since not all black people are murderers, but black men between the ages of 15 and 30 do account for almost 50% of the murders in the US every year. That age group represents less than 2% of the entire population of the entire US and only about 12% of the black population as a whole.
But even after all that, we'd have to say that not all black men in that age range are murderers, right?
See what happens when you start playing with the numbers? That means that the only number we should concern ourselves with in the scenario offered is the number of murderers which (based on 15,000 murders in a year) would break down this way:
7,500 of them were perpetrated by a black person (including black Hispanic)
7,350 of them were perpetrated by a white person (including white Hispanic)
150 of them were perpetrated by "other"
Not all of these perpetrators will end up on death row, but with 44% of death row inmates being black and the other 56% being white (the number of "others" on death row is statistically insignificant), it's actually easy to see that whites are the ones who are "over-represented"... as long as we don't look too closely at heinousness.
In the end, looking at any numbers other than the number of murderers is simply an exercise in promoting a narrative-based agenda. Narrative-based agendas are NOT objective. And while they might promote discussing important topics, they should never be held up as "factual." They are simply critiques much like those issued by any art critic. Should we experience music, paintings, films, etc. based only on the words of critics when we know that some of them probably have an axe to grind? Should we allow the opinions of axe-grinding critics to be taught in schools as facts?
Food for thought
What if, for some strange and mysterious reason, one race had much worse outcomes in the justice system that led to, among other things, increased murder convictions? Hypothetically speaking of course. |
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Post by ant-mac on Jun 26, 2021 0:55:14 GMT
"A 2017 study from the University of Nevada found that drivers are less likely to slow down or stop for Black pedestrians than they are for white ones." Zebra crossings must really confuse them. |
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 26, 2021 4:13:37 GMT
Actually, there are many times when their outcomes are the same or even better but then someone will drop in the "13% of the population" phrase and people without any training in statistics will think the outcomes are worse.
Example: "44% of the people on death row are black but black people are only 13% of the population!"
People get all upset about that without realizing that the "13%" thing is irrelevant unless you are suggesting that all Americans are murderers and they are all on death row.
If I were to say, "50% of all murders in the US are committed by 13% of the population," black people might get a little upset... and they should since not all black people are murderers, but black men between the ages of 15 and 30 do account for almost 50% of the murders in the US every year. That age group represents less than 2% of the entire population of the entire US and only about 12% of the black population as a whole.
But even after all that, we'd have to say that not all black men in that age range are murderers, right?
See what happens when you start playing with the numbers? That means that the only number we should concern ourselves with in the scenario offered is the number of murderers which (based on 15,000 murders in a year) would break down this way:
7,500 of them were perpetrated by a black person (including black Hispanic)
7,350 of them were perpetrated by a white person (including white Hispanic)
150 of them were perpetrated by "other"
Not all of these perpetrators will end up on death row, but with 44% of death row inmates being black and the other 56% being white (the number of "others" on death row is statistically insignificant), it's actually easy to see that whites are the ones who are "over-represented"... as long as we don't look too closely at heinousness.
In the end, looking at any numbers other than the number of murderers is simply an exercise in promoting a narrative-based agenda. Narrative-based agendas are NOT objective. And while they might promote discussing important topics, they should never be held up as "factual." They are simply critiques much like those issued by any art critic. Should we experience music, paintings, films, etc. based only on the words of critics when we know that some of them probably have an axe to grind? Should we allow the opinions of axe-grinding critics to be taught in schools as facts?
Food for thought
What if, for some strange and mysterious reason, one race had much worse outcomes in the justice system that led to, among other things, increased murder convictions? Hypothetically speaking of course. Do you honestly think that murder convictions for blacks are 4 times higher than they should be? I get what you're saying about the justice system, and it has to be fixed, but I can't agree people only commit crimes in accordance in proportion to their racial demographic percentages.
Should there be a chart to consult for crime quotas? "Oh my! As of today, we black people have committed 13.2% of the murders this year and we are only 12.9% of the population. I guess we'll have to reschedule that drive-by for next week." Do you think the AAPI community needs to pick up their game as they don't commit enough murders? ""Model minority" my ass! Get out there and kill your quota! Don't force the black community to go out there and pick up your slack! ![[mad]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/XegTyANmgpBZDFPQoKTh.gif) "
"You too, white people! Quit hogging all the white collar crimes and go out there with your AR15s and start killing 34% more people than you did last year!"
See how silly it all starts sounding?
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 26, 2021 4:14:50 GMT
"A 2017 study from the University of Nevada found that drivers are less likely to slow down or stop for Black pedestrians than they are for white ones." Zebra crossings must really confuse them. You gotta aim for your tires to be on the black parts and not the white parts, right? |
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Post by papamihel on Jun 26, 2021 4:24:41 GMT
They are less visible in the dark?
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Post by ant-mac on Jun 26, 2021 10:40:51 GMT
Zebra crossings must really confuse them. You gotta aim for your tires to be on the black parts and not the white parts, right? I suppose checking first to see if anyone is actually standing or walking on them is optional? |
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Post by permutojoe on Jun 26, 2021 11:16:29 GMT
What if, for some strange and mysterious reason, one race had much worse outcomes in the justice system that led to, among other things, increased murder convictions? Hypothetically speaking of course. Do you honestly think that murder convictions for blacks are 4 times higher than they should be? I get what you're saying about the justice system, and it has to be fixed, but I can't agree people only commit crimes in accordance in proportion to their racial demographic percentages.
Should there be a chart to consult for crime quotas? "Oh my! As of today, we black people have committed 13.2% of the murders this year and we are only 12.9% of the population. I guess we'll have to reschedule that drive-by for next week." Do you think the AAPI community needs to pick up their game as they don't commit enough murders? ""Model minority" my ass! Get out there and kill your quota! Don't force the black community to go out there and pick up your slack! "
"You too, white people! Quit hogging all the white collar crimes and go out there with your AR15s and start killing 34% more people than you did last year!"
See how silly it all starts sounding?
Yes that does sound very silly. I haven't and won't even start to argue along those lines. Another thing to consider is a lot of those murders by black folks are happening in inner cities by gang members, and those inner city living conditions are of course the direct result of systemic, institutionalized racism. |
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 26, 2021 14:57:43 GMT
You gotta aim for your tires to be on the black parts and not the white parts, right? I suppose checking first to see if anyone is actually standing or walking on them is optional? Who knows anymore. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 26, 2021 15:05:39 GMT
You gotta aim for your tires to be on the black parts and not the white parts, right? I suppose checking first to see if anyone is actually standing or walking on them is optional?
About as optional as looking both ways before stepping off the curb
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 26, 2021 15:12:41 GMT
Do you honestly think that murder convictions for blacks are 4 times higher than they should be? I get what you're saying about the justice system, and it has to be fixed, but I can't agree people only commit crimes in accordance in proportion to their racial demographic percentages.
Should there be a chart to consult for crime quotas? "Oh my! As of today, we black people have committed 13.2% of the murders this year and we are only 12.9% of the population. I guess we'll have to reschedule that drive-by for next week." Do you think the AAPI community needs to pick up their game as they don't commit enough murders? ""Model minority" my ass! Get out there and kill your quota! Don't force the black community to go out there and pick up your slack! "
"You too, white people! Quit hogging all the white collar crimes and go out there with your AR15s and start killing 34% more people than you did last year!"
See how silly it all starts sounding?
Yes that does sound very silly. I haven't and won't even start to argue along those lines. Another thing to consider is a lot of those murders by black folks are happening in inner cities by gang members, and those inner city living conditions are of course the direct result of systemic, institutionalized racism. Agreed... but gangs are a special sociological component, so I'll skip that for now. And none of that has nothing to do with the fact that mentioning the 13% figure is invalid in certain circumstances and only serves to further the divide.
You can't bring people together by constantly berating each other. Lying and spreading misinformation just makes it worse.
You can't expect humans to stop acting like humans. You have to work within the paradigm in order to shift it peacefully.
You can't mend a cracked egg by hitting it with a hammer.
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