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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 11, 2021 13:51:18 GMT
The perfect storm making everything you need more expensive
By Hanna Ziady, CNN Business Updated 5:26 AM ET, Wed June 9, 2021
Steel, lumber, plastic and fuel. Corn, soybeans, sugar and sunflower oil. Houses, cars, diapers and toilet paper. Prices are rising almost everywhere you look.
The post-pandemic recovery is in full swing and the global economy is struggling to keep up. Following a collapse at the start of the pandemic as businesses closed and millions of workers lost jobs, demand has rebounded with a vengeance, spurred by government stimulus and consumers flush with savings.
But companies that idled factories or put workers on furlough during lockdowns are now unable to secure enough raw materials to build the houses, make the cars or assemble the appliances that are suddenly in high demand.
Companies are furiously trying to restock inventories following last year's global recession, straining supply chains already reeling from the pandemic to breaking point. A shortage of shipping containers and bottlenecks at ports have made matters worse and increased the cost of moving products around the world. Throw in accidents, cyberattacks, extreme weather and the huge disruption caused by the desperate hunt for cleaner sources of energy, and you have a perfect storm.
There's no telling how long demand will outpace supply, especially as the pandemic continues to rampage through some of the world's biggest economies. But there have already been shortages of everything from microchips and chicken to chlorine and cheese, and prices are spiking.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 19, 2021 1:50:08 GMT
Apparently even $19/hr isn't enough. Business Insider
An Amazon worker says she's homeless because she can't afford NYC rent with the $19 she's paid per hour: ReportTyler Sonnemaker Fri, June 18, 2021, 6:03 PM Amazon has touted its $15 minimum wage and pushed for increases at the national level. But Vice reported that a worker in New York City making $19.30 per hour still can't afford rent. The woman says she lives in her car in the company's parking lot and struggles to make ends meet. See more stories on Insider's business page. An Amazon employee who works at the company's warehouse on Staten Island in New York City says she lives in her car in the building's parking lot because she can't afford rent in the city with the $19.30 she makes per hour, Vice News reported Friday. The woman, Natalie Monarrez, has been homeless since 2019 after struggling to find affordable permanent housing while working for two other Amazon warehouses in New Jersey that paid her even less, according to Vice. "Jeff Bezos donates to homeless shelters for tax write-offs and PR. He needs to know that some of his own workers (without family or a second income) can't afford rent," Monarrez told Vice. "Jeff Bezos has no idea that his workers are homeless, especially in New York, and I'm not the only one. I'm hoping executives will agree to pay workers more and that they know older workers have the right to be promoted like everyone else," she added. While rents in New York City have fallen about 12 percent since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, it remains one of the most expensive places to live in the country. The median asking rent for a one bedroom in New York City in June was about $2500, according to a Zumper analysis. Amazon did not respond to Insider's request for comment on this story. Amazon has frequently touted its $15 per hour minimum wage, which it introduced in 2018 following pressure from Sen. Bernie Sanders, as evidence that it treats workers well. But Bloomberg reported in December that in 68 counties where Amazon opened its largest type of warehouse, average industry pay dropped by 6%, and that a study from the Government Accountability Office found that more than 4,000 Amazon employees are on food stamps in just nine states - trailing only Walmart, McDonald's, and two-dollar store chains. Amazon disputed Bloomberg's analysis, telling the publication that most of its hires come from retail jobs that typically pay less than warehouse jobs. Amazon has also avoided paying taxes that fund food stamps and other social safety net programs from which its workers benefit. Despite earning more than $10 billion in annual net income every year since 2018, Amazon paid little or no federal income taxes in those years. Amazon previously told Insider that it "pays all the taxes we are required to pay in the US and every country where we operate." CEO Jeff Bezos, despite growing his wealth by $127 billion from 2006 to 2018, paid zero federal income taxes in at least two of those years, ProPublica reported. Amazon has also been plagued by extensive reports over the years of grueling working conditions, injury rates far higher than the industry standard, and labor law violations. In April, Bezos said that the company was working "to do a better job for our employees" and that it would invest over $300 million in 2021 to make warehouses safer. He added that the company needed "a better vision for how we create value for employees - a vision for their success. Last year, workers spoke out repeatedly about what they said was Amazon's failure to protect them during the pandemic - and in some cases, faced racially-charged smear campaigns as well as illegal retaliation and terminations. Following an unsuccessful attempt by Amazon workers in Alabama to unionize, workers at Monarrez's warehouse, which Amazon calls JFK8, have also sought to unionize, led by Chris Smalls, an organizer the company fired in March 2020.
I laugh.......because I care? On the one hand, the woman in question mentions other workers can't afford apartments........but they don't combine their resources? come up with a better plan?
And of course the solution is to Unionize? ![[rolleye1]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/MTjbungPBOzv0BKQvdPJ.gif) |
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 19, 2021 3:28:05 GMT
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I laugh.......because I care? On the one hand, the woman in question mentions other workers can't afford apartments........but they don't combine their resources? come up with a better plan?
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 19, 2021 12:09:35 GMT
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I laugh.......because I care? On the one hand, the woman in question mentions other workers can't afford apartments........but they don't combine their resources? come up with a better plan?
And of course the solution is to Unionize? Are you suggesting that form a collective?
it's bound to work this time, right?
(Though I've never had a problem with voluntary co-op type of situations)
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 20, 2021 1:39:13 GMT
Are you suggesting that form a collective?
it's bound to work this time, right?
(Though I've never had a problem with voluntary co-op type of situations)
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 20, 2021 1:47:08 GMT
it's bound to work this time, right?
(Though I've never had a problem with voluntary co-op type of situations)
Voluntary co-ops ARE collectives.
No distinctions though? c'mon dude
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 20, 2021 9:43:34 GMT
Voluntary co-ops ARE collectives.
No distinctions though? c'mon dude
You want distinctions but when I say, "UHC" you call me a "collectivist."
You'll get the courtesy of distinctions when you give the same courtesy.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 20, 2021 13:43:15 GMT
No distinctions though? c'mon dude
You want distinctions but when I say, "UHC" you call me a "collectivist."
You'll get the courtesy of distinctions when you give the same courtesy.
The ONLY way I'd consider UHC is if it's sorta pre-paid for and everyone signs on knowingly. Otherwise I'd prefer a more actual charitable situation with people donating their time and services.........but that'd also mean limited supply.
UHC is not a voluntary enterprise and you know it. Like so much of the Federal and State govt mandates now.......there's no choice.
Hey, it could be as simple as some Fire Depts that I've heard of........people pay a yearly Fee......or when their house starts on fire, the Fire Dept doesn't bother responding.  I like that. |
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 21, 2021 2:41:17 GMT
You want distinctions but when I say, "UHC" you call me a "collectivist."
You'll get the courtesy of distinctions when you give the same courtesy.
The ONLY way I'd consider UHC is if it's sorta pre-paid for and everyone signs on knowingly. Otherwise I'd prefer a more actual charitable situation with people donating their time and services.........but that'd also mean limited supply.
UHC is not a voluntary enterprise and you know it. Like so much of the Federal and State govt mandates now.......there's no choice.
Hey, it could be as simple as some Fire Depts that I've heard of........people pay a yearly Fee......or when their house starts on fire, the Fire Dept doesn't bother responding. I like that. I was trying to think of analogies to help you understand, but then I realized that you'd just misrepresent it as usual.
Single-payer UHC just means that the government would pay the bill. Doctors, nurses, and other health care professionals would still be free to work where they want... even in private practice. The only difference is that they wouldn't be sending their billing to insurance companies or to patients but to a government office that would cut them a check based on previously negotiated prices.
It's not involuntary servitude.
It's actually no different from how insurance companies already work except that there's only one buyer - a reverse monopoly if you will - and that one buyer has the power to negotiate the lowest possible (reasonable) payment. Just so you understand, personally, I would not include voluntary procedures but I would include certain aspects of dental and ophthalmological care, as well as pharmaceuticals.
No one is going to force a person to see a doctor, but there might have to be some debate over what is considered "proper medical care." I don't think the government should have to pay for "quackery."
Once the prices are negotiated and set, all the government is going to be doing is paying the bills.
And, yes, they are going to be paying those bills with your tax dollars - tax dollars that you would have spent on premiums, deductibles, co-pays, and prescriptions anyway.
Now is where you tell me that you want a provision to "opt out": you don't send your bills to the government and you don't get tax increases, right?
Sorry. There are lots of people that don't like that their taxes are used for the military or whatever, but they pay anyway. Trying to create a system of taxation that allows for people to earmark their taxes for specific programs would bloat the government even further, and we all know how much you hate that.
In time, single-payer UHC would reduce the amount of government money spent on health care from $10k/person/year to about $5 or 6k. If you prefer GDP numbers, 18% would go down to 10-12%.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 21, 2021 6:38:03 GMT
No one is going to force a person to see a doctor, but there might have to be some debate over what is considered "proper medical care." I don't think the government should have to pay for "quackery."
Once the prices are negotiated and set, all the government is going to be doing is paying the bills.
And, yes, they are going to be paying those bills with your tax dollars - tax dollars that you would have spent on premiums, deductibles, co-pays, and prescriptions anyway.
Now is where you tell me that you want a provision to "opt out": you don't send your bills to the government and you don't get tax increases, right?
Sorry. There are lots of people that don't like that their taxes are used for the military or whatever, but they pay anyway. Trying to create a system of taxation that allows for people to earmark their taxes for specific programs would bloat the government even further, and we all know how much you hate that.
In time, single-payer UHC would reduce the amount of government money spent on health care from $10k/person/year to about $5 or 6k. If you prefer GDP numbers, 18% would go down to 10-12%.
This is what I've seen when it comes ot Govt paying the bills.....the provider sets the price as high as they can get away with.....either because they know it won't be challenged/price shopped.......or because the Govt only pays a percentage of the fee, so the price has to be double in order to make sure costs are covered.
The biggest fear of collectivists is the opt out option. WHY? Too tough to make people honor their agreements? Live up to their own words and deeds?
Yeah, govt bloat.......we all know how big a fear that is these days.
That has been the argument for bulk buying and govt handling for decades........and it may have even been true in the early to mid 20th century. But now? Fuhhgeddaboutit
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 21, 2021 8:43:29 GMT
No one is going to force a person to see a doctor, but there might have to be some debate over what is considered "proper medical care." I don't think the government should have to pay for "quackery."
Once the prices are negotiated and set, all the government is going to be doing is paying the bills.
And, yes, they are going to be paying those bills with your tax dollars - tax dollars that you would have spent on premiums, deductibles, co-pays, and prescriptions anyway.
Now is where you tell me that you want a provision to "opt out": you don't send your bills to the government and you don't get tax increases, right?
Sorry. There are lots of people that don't like that their taxes are used for the military or whatever, but they pay anyway. Trying to create a system of taxation that allows for people to earmark their taxes for specific programs would bloat the government even further, and we all know how much you hate that.
In time, single-payer UHC would reduce the amount of government money spent on health care from $10k/person/year to about $5 or 6k. If you prefer GDP numbers, 18% would go down to 10-12%.
This is what I've seen when it comes ot Govt paying the bills.....the provider sets the price as high as they can get away with.....either because they know it won't be challenged/price shopped.......or because the Govt only pays a percentage of the fee, so the price has to be double in order to make sure costs are covered.
The biggest fear of collectivists is the opt out option. WHY? Too tough to make people honor their agreements? Live up to their own words and deeds?
Yeah, govt bloat.......we all know how big a fear that is these days.
That has been the argument for bulk buying and govt handling for decades........and it may have even been true in the early to mid 20th century. But now? Fuhhgeddaboutit
1. By "quackery" I was referring to things such as reflexology and homeopathy. As for sex-reassignment, that would fall under the notion of "voluntary." I don't support voluntary procedures being covered by current military insurance either. You sign up to serve and fight, not exit your A School and take up residence in a hospital for a free operation. That goes for the VA as well. AFAIC, the VA is there to help people with medical conditions that are the result of service.
2. There literally mountains of actuarial materials available to the government in order to be able to negotiate the best price and it's not like the providers can shop around.
3. I just explained the problem with the "opt-out" option. It doesn't have to do with collectivism. It has to do with not bloating the government.
Oh. One more thing: the easiest way to identify the folks who opt out would be a national ID card... or maybe you'd prefer being "chipped."
4. Translation: "no matter how good the idea is, I'm just going to hate it anyway."
It's people like you that have diminished America in the eyes of the world (and the majority of its own citizenry) and who have brought us low in nearly all facets of American life.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 21, 2021 9:46:14 GMT
<abbr data-timestamp="1624265009000" title="Jun 21, 2021 3:43:29 GMT -5" class="o-timestamp time">Jun 21, 2021 3:43:29 GMT -5</abbr> Prometheus said:
1. By "quackery" I was referring to things such as reflexology and homeopathy. As for sex-reassignment, that would fall under the notion of "voluntary." I don't support voluntary procedures being covered by current military insurance either. You sign up to serve and fight, not exit your A School and take up residence in a hospital for a free operation. That goes for the VA as well. AFAIC, the VA is there to help people with medical conditions that are the result of service.
2. There literally mountains of actuarial materials available to the government in order to be able to negotiate the best price and it's not like the providers can shop around.
3. I just explained the problem with the "opt-out" option. It doesn't have to do with collectivism. It has to do with not bloating the government.
Oh. One more thing: the easiest way to identify the folks who opt out would be a national ID card... or maybe you'd prefer being "chipped."
4. Translation: "no matter how good the idea is, I'm just going to hate it anyway."
It's people like you that have diminished America in the eyes of the world (and the majority of its own citizenry) and who have brought us low in nearly all facets of American life.
1. "Got my dick shot off!" The VA has had a horrible track record for decades......only recently have some said it started to improve.
2. In theory it should work. If I were a supplier, I'd love to get a govt contract.
3. As I watch people drift farther away from self-reliance and even $Cash money, I think maybe we should just hurry up and get chipped.
"Diminished'? Like I should care about foreign dependents? I am not a fan of the domestic ones. Americans are responsible for their own lowly declines in recent decades.
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 21, 2021 14:40:06 GMT
<abbr data-timestamp="1624265009000" title="Jun 21, 2021 3:43:29 GMT -5" class="o-timestamp time">Jun 21, 2021 3:43:29 GMT -5</abbr> Prometheus said:
1. By "quackery" I was referring to things such as reflexology and homeopathy. As for sex-reassignment, that would fall under the notion of "voluntary." I don't support voluntary procedures being covered by current military insurance either. You sign up to serve and fight, not exit your A School and take up residence in a hospital for a free operation. That goes for the VA as well. AFAIC, the VA is there to help people with medical conditions that are the result of service.
2. There literally mountains of actuarial materials available to the government in order to be able to negotiate the best price and it's not like the providers can shop around.
3. I just explained the problem with the "opt-out" option. It doesn't have to do with collectivism. It has to do with not bloating the government.
Oh. One more thing: the easiest way to identify the folks who opt out would be a national ID card... or maybe you'd prefer being "chipped."
4. Translation: "no matter how good the idea is, I'm just going to hate it anyway."
It's people like you that have diminished America in the eyes of the world (and the majority of its own citizenry) and who have brought us low in nearly all facets of American life.
1. "Got my dick shot off!" The VA has had a horrible track record for decades......only recently have some said it started to improve.
2. In theory it should work. If I were a supplier, I'd love to get a govt contract.
3. As I watch people drift farther away from self-reliance and even $Cash money, I think maybe we should just hurry up and get chipped.
"Diminished'? Like I should care about foreign dependents? I am not a fan of the domestic ones. Americans are responsible for their own lowly declines in recent decades.
2. Supplier of what?
3. I don't think people are drifting away from self-reliance. I think they are drifting toward, "The government has made self-reliance untenable for most people and we want it back."
It's like the quote from Jeff Daniels' character, "We used to fight wars against poverty not poor people."
We talk about how rich our poor are compared to the poor of the rest of the world, but they are just trying to not look as poor as they are and trying to keep up with the Joneses has deepened their cycle of poverty and the rest of us aren't helping. We demonize fat poor people for "having enough money to buy junk food" but we don't acknowledge that they are actually malnourished. We demonize them for owning technology that is ubiquitous among the other social classes without realizing that they do it in part to not be pitied or belittled for NOT owning it.
What's so wrong with people having access to health care? Are you afraid that there might be more able-bodied people?
What's so wrong with people having access to a good education? Are you worried that the combination of "well-educated" and "able-bodied" might put your tenure of being a rung or two higher on the ladder at risk?
Oh. That's right. You don't mind if they have it as long as you don't have to have to pay for it. You want to "opt-out" of anything that just might help someone else because they didn't have the good sense to go out and find a sugar-momma like you did.
4. Like I said: people like you
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 21, 2021 16:11:44 GMT
2. Supplier of what?
3. I don't think people are drifting away from self-reliance. I think they are drifting toward, "The government has made self-reliance untenable for most people and we want it back."
It's like the quote from Jeff Daniels' character, "We used to fight wars against poverty not poor people."
We talk about how rich our poor are compared to the poor of the rest of the world, but they are just trying to not look as poor as they are and trying to keep up with the Joneses has deepened their cycle of poverty and the rest of us aren't helping. We demonize fat poor people for "having enough money to buy junk food" but we don't acknowledge that they are actually malnourished. We demonize them for owning technology that is ubiquitous among the other social classes without realizing that they do it in part to not be pitied or belittled for NOT owning it.
What's so wrong with people having access to health care? Are you afraid that there might be more able-bodied people?
What's so wrong with people having access to a good education? Are you worried that the combination of "well-educated" and "able-bodied" might put your tenure of being a rung or two higher on the ladder at risk?
Oh. That's right. You don't mind if they have it as long as you don't have to have to pay for it. You want to "opt-out" of anything that just might help someone else because they didn't have the good sense to go out and find a sugar-momma like you did.
4. Like I said: people like you
2. ANYTHING the Govt is buying........be it products, supplies or services. It's almost guaranteed to be a lucrative venture. Unless the politician you bribed in the first place gets tossed, of course.
3. Which war was more futile? The war on poverty? or the war on drugs? Seems like the poor have plenty of money for drugs. Malnourished by choice.
Oh, please.......part of being self-reliant is realizing what other people think or say shouldn't mean shit.
Access? I got no problem with that. But picking up the tab for yet another thing? No thanks
Good education? They are skipping reading, writing and arithmetic........but Critical Race Theory is being funded? Again, No thanks.
How am I, a person working and below the poverty line income-wise, a rung or two higher than anyone else?
They coulda landed a sugah-daddy, or a sugah-tranny or just a couple of sugah-roommates for all I care. What's stopping them?
You keep insisting that these clearly failed ideas are great ideas. WTH is with that?
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 22, 2021 1:12:25 GMT
2. Supplier of what?
3. I don't think people are drifting away from self-reliance. I think they are drifting toward, "The government has made self-reliance untenable for most people and we want it back."
It's like the quote from Jeff Daniels' character, "We used to fight wars against poverty not poor people."
We talk about how rich our poor are compared to the poor of the rest of the world, but they are just trying to not look as poor as they are and trying to keep up with the Joneses has deepened their cycle of poverty and the rest of us aren't helping. We demonize fat poor people for "having enough money to buy junk food" but we don't acknowledge that they are actually malnourished. We demonize them for owning technology that is ubiquitous among the other social classes without realizing that they do it in part to not be pitied or belittled for NOT owning it.
What's so wrong with people having access to health care? Are you afraid that there might be more able-bodied people?
What's so wrong with people having access to a good education? Are you worried that the combination of "well-educated" and "able-bodied" might put your tenure of being a rung or two higher on the ladder at risk?
Oh. That's right. You don't mind if they have it as long as you don't have to have to pay for it. You want to "opt-out" of anything that just might help someone else because they didn't have the good sense to go out and find a sugar-momma like you did.
4. Like I said: people like you
2. ANYTHING the Govt is buying........be it products, supplies or services. It's almost guaranteed to be a lucrative venture. Unless the politician you bribed in the first place gets tossed, of course.
3. Which war was more futile? The war on poverty? or the war on drugs? Seems like the poor have plenty of money for drugs. Malnourished by choice.
Oh, please.......part of being self-reliant is realizing what other people think or say shouldn't mean shit.
Access? I got no problem with that. But picking up the tab for yet another thing? No thanks
Good education? They are skipping reading, writing and arithmetic........but Critical Race Theory is being funded? Again, No thanks.
How am I, a person working and below the poverty line income-wise, a rung or two higher than anyone else?
They coulda landed a sugah-daddy, or a sugah-tranny or just a couple of sugah-roommates for all I care. What's stopping them?
You keep insisting that these clearly failed ideas are great ideas. WTH is with that?
2. So... you don't think the government will negotiate lower prices? You think that the government is going to get outsmarted even though they have all of the information right at their fingertips? Other countries have managed to do this and reduce health care costs but America can't?
3. As stated, the war on poverty became a war on poor people. Your attitude about them is proof. Ditto the war on drugs which became the war on drug users.
You do your best to look down on people, so it seems that you like being a little higher up than them. You talk about SELF-reliance then plainly admit that it requires help from other people.
As for you being below the poverty line... you aren't and that's because you have someone to share expenses with (collectivism). If you were on your own, you'd be struggling and looking for someone to help you. Of course as the world fills up with more people like you (which YOU said would be a good thing) less and less help would be coming your way.
And I've never said that the war on drugs or poverty were good things at all since they were destined to become wars on the people that were supposedly going to be helped.
You talk about people making bad choices but you don't want to help them make better ones. You're asking people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps but you're refusing to give them a pair of boots.
I suppose this is the point where you try to tell me that no one ever gave you boots either. Maybe that's why, after 50-odd years you're still working as a drone and need a roommate to help you realize your goals.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 22, 2021 1:24:52 GMT
2. ANYTHING the Govt is buying........be it products, supplies or services. It's almost guaranteed to be a lucrative venture. Unless the politician you bribed in the first place gets tossed, of course.
3. Which war was more futile? The war on poverty? or the war on drugs? Seems like the poor have plenty of money for drugs. Malnourished by choice.
Oh, please.......part of being self-reliant is realizing what other people think or say shouldn't mean shit.
Access? I got no problem with that. But picking up the tab for yet another thing? No thanks
Good education? They are skipping reading, writing and arithmetic........but Critical Race Theory is being funded? Again, No thanks.
How am I, a person working and below the poverty line income-wise, a rung or two higher than anyone else?
They coulda landed a sugah-daddy, or a sugah-tranny or just a couple of sugah-roommates for all I care. What's stopping them?
You keep insisting that these clearly failed ideas are great ideas. WTH is with that?
2. So... you don't think the government will negotiate lower prices? You think that the government is going to get outsmarted even though they have all of the information right at their fingertips? Other countries have managed to do this and reduce health care costs but America can't?
3. As stated, the war on poverty became a war on poor people. Your attitude about them is proof. Ditto the war on drugs which became the war on drug users.
You do your best to look down on people, so it seems that you like being a little higher up than them. You talk about SELF-reliance then plainly admit that it requires help from other people.
As for you being below the poverty line... you aren't and that's because you have someone to share expenses with (collectivism). If you were on your own, you'd be struggling and looking for someone to help you. Of course as the world fills up with more people like you (which YOU said would be a good thing) less and less help would be coming your way.
And I've never said that the war on drugs or poverty were good things at all since they were destined to become wars on the people that were supposedly going to be helped.
You talk about people making bad choices but you don't want to help them make better ones. You're asking people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps but you're refusing to give them a pair of boots.
I suppose this is the point where you try to tell me that no one ever gave you boots either. Maybe that's why, after 50-odd years you're still working as a drone and need a roommate to help you realize your goals.
Maybe if you'd had a healthier, less stressful childhood and a good education you'd be the sugar-daddy now.
2. That's right. America can't or won't look after tax dollars more responsibly.
3. You know I'm all for legalizing all drugs and ending the war on drugs. End the war on poverty, as well. They're both a massive waste of time and money.
There is no helping some people. So stop. VOLUNTARY collectivism. You know I have no problem with that. If I was on my own,m I'd have less......and I'd either learn how to do with less or look to hook up with someone else to improve both of our situations. Again, voluntary.
More people like me? Or just less people?
Yet you're not okay with ending both of them?
I've mentioned several times I've attempted to help people. I've spent countless hours posting reasonable advice on forums and been attacked by those who feel that advice is useless, if not damaging.
Are you where you want to be at? I work as a drone......part time......... because I'm OK with doing that. NOW who sounds like they believe they're better than others?
But I did not have that. So I adapted and adjusted and did what I could to improve my lot in life. I view it as a success. You do not .....because I'm not as virtuous as you?
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 22, 2021 1:51:22 GMT
2. So... you don't think the government will negotiate lower prices? You think that the government is going to get outsmarted even though they have all of the information right at their fingertips? Other countries have managed to do this and reduce health care costs but America can't?
3. As stated, the war on poverty became a war on poor people. Your attitude about them is proof. Ditto the war on drugs which became the war on drug users.
You do your best to look down on people, so it seems that you like being a little higher up than them. You talk about SELF-reliance then plainly admit that it requires help from other people.
As for you being below the poverty line... you aren't and that's because you have someone to share expenses with (collectivism). If you were on your own, you'd be struggling and looking for someone to help you. Of course as the world fills up with more people like you (which YOU said would be a good thing) less and less help would be coming your way.
And I've never said that the war on drugs or poverty were good things at all since they were destined to become wars on the people that were supposedly going to be helped.
You talk about people making bad choices but you don't want to help them make better ones. You're asking people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps but you're refusing to give them a pair of boots.
I suppose this is the point where you try to tell me that no one ever gave you boots either. Maybe that's why, after 50-odd years you're still working as a drone and need a roommate to help you realize your goals.
Maybe if you'd had a healthier, less stressful childhood and a good education you'd be the sugar-daddy now.
2. That's right. America can't or won't look after tax dollars more responsibly.
3. You know I'm all for legalizing all drugs and ending the war on drugs. End the war on poverty, as well. They're both a massive waste of time and money.
There is no helping some people. So stop. VOLUNTARY collectivism. You know I have no problem with that. If I was on my own,m I'd have less......and I'd either learn how to do with less or look to hook up with someone else to improve both of our situations. Again, voluntary.
More people like me? Or just less people?
Yet you're not okay with ending both of them?
I've mentioned several times I've attempted to help people. I've spent countless hours posting reasonable advice on forums and been attacked by those who feel that advice is useless, if not damaging.
Are you where you want to be at? I work as a drone......part time......... because I'm OK with doing that. NOW who sounds like they believe they're better than others?
But I did not have that. So I adapted and adjusted and did what I could to improve my lot in life. I view it as a success. You do not .....because I'm not as virtuous as you?
2. Then stop voting for idiots
3. Then why are you arguing with me about them?
4. Baby and bathwater. You want to stop helping anybody just because a small portion of the population would misuse the help.
5. You live in America VOLUNTARILY. You have the right to speak out and/or vote against any law you don't like. But you have the responsibility to live according to the law once passed... or you can VOLUNTARILY leave.
6. If there were more people like you, America would be a pretty shitty place.
7. I'm absolutely OK with ending the wars on poverty and drugs, simply because they became wars on the poor and drug users. I don't don't know how you could have misconstrued my posts to mean anything else. I think there are better ways to combat both problems. You just don't like them because your taxes might go up a few points.
8. Maybe it's your tone
9. TBH, I am more comfortable and less stressed than I have ever been. Teaching is my vocation not just a job. If it sounds like I'm talking down to you then it's probably out of exasperation with having to repeat myself over and over and you still not hearing what I'm saying.
10. Case in point.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 22, 2021 1:57:35 GMT
2. Then stop voting for idiots
3. Then why are you arguing with me about them?
4. Baby and bathwater. You want to stop helping anybody just because a small portion of the population would misuse the help.
5. You live in America VOLUNTARILY. You have the right to speak out and/or vote against any law you don't like. But you have the responsibility to live according to the law once passed... or you can VOLUNTARILY leave.
6. If there were more people like you, America would be a pretty shitty place.
7. I'm absolutely OK with ending the wars on poverty and drugs, simply because they became wars on the poor and drug users. I don't don't know how you could have misconstrued my posts to mean anything else. I think there are better ways to combat both problems. You just don't like them because your taxes might go up a few points.
8. Maybe it's your tone
9. TBH, I am more comfortable and less stressed than I have ever been. Teaching is my vocation not just a job. If it sounds like I'm talking down to you then it's probably out of exasperation with having to repeat myself over and over and you still not hearing what I'm saying.
10. Case in point.
2. Lesser of 2 idiots. 
3. You're usually so pissy...........it just seems like arguing even when there's agreement.
4. Small portion? HA HA HA!
6. We can't all be like China
7. More money. The same answer to everything
8. F you!
9. I've always had a listening problem. Ask my teachers.
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 22, 2021 2:39:40 GMT
2. Then stop voting for idiots
3. Then why are you arguing with me about them?
4. Baby and bathwater. You want to stop helping anybody just because a small portion of the population would misuse the help.
5. You live in America VOLUNTARILY. You have the right to speak out and/or vote against any law you don't like. But you have the responsibility to live according to the law once passed... or you can VOLUNTARILY leave.
6. If there were more people like you, America would be a pretty shitty place.
7. I'm absolutely OK with ending the wars on poverty and drugs, simply because they became wars on the poor and drug users. I don't don't know how you could have misconstrued my posts to mean anything else. I think there are better ways to combat both problems. You just don't like them because your taxes might go up a few points.
8. Maybe it's your tone
9. TBH, I am more comfortable and less stressed than I have ever been. Teaching is my vocation not just a job. If it sounds like I'm talking down to you then it's probably out of exasperation with having to repeat myself over and over and you still not hearing what I'm saying.
10. Case in point.
2. Lesser of 2 idiots.
3. You're usually so pissy...........it just seems like arguing even when there's agreement.
4. Small portion? HA HA HA!
6. We can't all be like China
7. More money. The same answer to everything
8. F you!
9. I've always had a listening problem. Ask my teachers.
2. Then find someone better! 3. Then stop questioning whether or not I agree. ![[crazy1]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/ue0z0fwvecEC0UQSHAmw.gif)
4. Yes. I suspect that there are more people that would like to work than sit on their asses
5. Dodge
6. Different kind of shitty... but less poverty and crime
7. It doesn't always have to be more, but it has to be well-spent.
8. Exactly
9. I would but they all seem to have committed suicide or climbed inside a whisky bottle
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