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Post by abbey1227 on May 25, 2021 2:51:25 GMT
What if the Pandemic Was Man-Made?
By Michael Brendan Dougherty May 24, 2021 6:30 AM
If COVID is shown to have leaked from a lab, searching for those that authored the disaster would be necessary fact-finding before doing justice. At the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, history-minded columnists started cracking open their books and looking for what happened in plagues of the past. Maybe that would be a guide to the near-term future. And indeed, we saw history repeat itself: some people shutting in for fear of the illness, others living almost more hedonistically, lest they miss out on some of life’s joy before the end. Cities emptying and their inhabitants spreading the disease into the provinces and countryside. We saw New York City seed most of the American nation with coronavirus. In the chronicles of the late Middle Ages we find ecstatic religious movements taking to the streets to do reparation before God. In 2020 we saw protests around the world. Pandemics can bring rioting. Ditto. And in the past there was scapegoating, usually of Jews. We watched mayor Bill DeBlasio calling out the Orthodox Jewish community in Brooklyn, even as Black Lives Matter defied social distancing and curfews imposed on everyone else. But now we may have something new in a pandemic: a handful of guilty humans and governments. You may have noticed that after a year in which almost every health authority closed ranks to say that it was ridiculous to believe that COVID-19 emerged from a lab in Wuhan, now there is a rush to the microphones and newspapers to at least entertain the lab-leak theory. Dr. Fauci himself, who had dismissed the lab-escape theory as unscientific, is now saying he is “not convinced” that COVID emerged in nature, or at a wet market. Even the head of the World Health Organization said the lab leak couldn’t be ruled out, after a WHO investigation that was practically designed to rule out the lab-leak theory. Now the Wall Street Journal is reporting that U.S. intelligence had reports in November 2019 that several staff at the Wuhan lab fell sick and had to be hospitalized. Without getting into the even hotter question of whether COVID-19 was deliberately created by human lab workers as part of a “gain of function” experiment, if the lab-leak theory is true, COVID-19 becomes the single worst man-made disaster in human history. Nothing else would remotely be close. The ultimate death toll from the Chernobyl nuclear disaster is hotly disputed. The immediate death toll is anywhere from 31 to 54. But that just barely touches the effects of radiation, which affected tens of thousands of people, especially those who were involved in the cleanup and entombment of the site. But even at the furthest end, when we extrapolate generously from measurable upticks in cancers, it is hard to find serious direct harm beyond the scale of perhaps 2 million people, inclusive of those resettled, those who reported any health problems, or those aborted after European health authorities advised such almost immediately after the accident. The Union Carbide chemical-plant disaster in Bhopal, India, gassed somewhere between 15,000 and 20,000 people to death and inflicted serious long-term health problems on perhaps half a million others. COVID-19 dwarfs these. As of now, the World Health Organization estimates that nearly 3.5 million people have died of COVID-19 globally. Some estimates suggest that between $16 and $28 trillion was lost in global economic output owing to the shutdowns, lockdowns, and supply-chain disruptions that followed it. School closures affected 1.6 billion people. And that barely begins to talk about the small but unforgettable losses that lockdowns imposed on our lives — the lost reunions, the family turmoil, the funerals and weddings never attended. For many it would be psychologically easier if COVID-19 were a product of nature, or the will of Nature’s God. The cruelty and inscrutability of nature is easier to accept. But what if all this mountain of suffering the last two years was the product of bad safety practices at a lab in a city most people had never heard of until 2020? Or if it was partly down to the fault of a political party, the Chinese Communist Party — which, seeking to avoid embarrassment, prevented the world from discovering the nature of this outbreak when there was time to do something to prevent it from going global? Or if it was the fault of American officials who underwrote gain-of-function research overseas, despite the foreseeable risks of trying to make viruses found in nature more infective in human beings? If COVID-19 is a man-made disaster, searching for the people, the institutions, and the governments that authored this disaster is not scapegoating, it’s necessary fact-finding before doing justice. What might justice look like in practice? It might include global bans on gain-of-function research. This one measure alone would constitute a kind of quiet revolution, an admission that not every kind of scientific research is in fact beneficial to humanity. The reputation of the entire scientific enterprise itself would suffer immensely from the fallout. If it was a gain-of-function research project gone wrong, then the public-health officials who supported and authorized it will meet a dramatic fall from the stature they attained in the past year. And if subsequent research and investigations can show that actions of the Chinese government — its stonewalling, and its manipulation of the World Health Organization at the outset of the pandemic — contributed to an overall worse global outcome, it might be time to bring up the word “reparations” in international affairs again. The process of discovery is only just beginning.
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Post by Prometheus on May 25, 2021 5:15:46 GMT
And I still contend that if Covid had started in some western nation - even in a city with a level 4 virology lab - that no one would give a fuck, especially the nimrods at National Review.
Did you notice the line, "before doing justice"?
The party of punishment speaks.
What kind of justice should be done upon the Chinese?
Do you think the Chinese government would ever pay a settlement?
Do you think they'd ever even show up to the court proceeding?
Do you think it will make the Chinese people rise up against their government?
And if the Chinese even agreed to pay reparations to the governments of the world, do you think the recipients would use that money to pay down debts or do you think they would just add it to their general funds to be dispersed on pet projects? It sure as hell won't go to the people. They already got their stimulus checks and bailouts.
To me it just looks like people are looking for a justification of their racism and hatred.
It's amazing how some people think this "investigation" is a worthwhile use of taxpayer money but buying masks and ventilators wasn't.
Hell. Some people get upset that the family of an autistic child might get a few thousand dollars when the school put him on the wrong bus but are OK with billions being spent on something that will never go anywhere.
However, the absolute worst part of all of this is that it is being called for the very people who made the pandemic worse in the US than it ever needed to be.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 25, 2021 5:28:20 GMT
And I still contend that if Covid had started in some western nation - even in a city with a level 4 virology lab - that no one would give a fuck, especially the nimrods at National Review. Did you notice the line, "before doing justice"? The party of punishment speaks. What kind of justice should be done upon the Chinese? Do you think the Chinese government would ever pay a settlement? Do you think they'd ever even show up to the court proceeding? Do you think it will make the Chinese people rise up against their government? And if the Chinese even agreed to pay reparations to the governments of the world, do you think the recipients would use that money to pay down debts or do you think they would just add it to their general funds to be dispersed on pet projects? It sure as hell won't go to the people. They already got their stimulus checks and bailouts. To me it just looks like people are looking for a justification of their racism and hatred. It's amazing how some people think this "investigation" is a worthwhile use of taxpayer money but buying masks and ventilators wasn't. Hell. Some people get upset that the family of an autistic child might get a few thousand dollars when the school put him on the wrong bus but are OK with billions being spent on something that will never go anywhere. However, the absolute worst part of all of this is that it is being called for the very people who made the pandemic worse in the US than it ever needed to be.
Nice spin job
The Chinese Govt is not to blame.......but non-maskers are totally at fault
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Post by Prometheus on May 25, 2021 7:10:23 GMT
And I still contend that if Covid had started in some western nation - even in a city with a level 4 virology lab - that no one would give a fuck, especially the nimrods at National Review. Did you notice the line, "before doing justice"? The party of punishment speaks. What kind of justice should be done upon the Chinese? Do you think the Chinese government would ever pay a settlement? Do you think they'd ever even show up to the court proceeding? Do you think it will make the Chinese people rise up against their government? And if the Chinese even agreed to pay reparations to the governments of the world, do you think the recipients would use that money to pay down debts or do you think they would just add it to their general funds to be dispersed on pet projects? It sure as hell won't go to the people. They already got their stimulus checks and bailouts. To me it just looks like people are looking for a justification of their racism and hatred. It's amazing how some people think this "investigation" is a worthwhile use of taxpayer money but buying masks and ventilators wasn't. Hell. Some people get upset that the family of an autistic child might get a few thousand dollars when the school put him on the wrong bus but are OK with billions being spent on something that will never go anywhere. However, the absolute worst part of all of this is that it is being called for the very people who made the pandemic worse in the US than it ever needed to be.
Nice spin job
The Chinese Govt is not to blame.......but non-maskers are totally at fault
Put the notion of the virus being manmade (it wasn't) aside.
What did the Chinese government do that was so wrong?
They hid it?
Trump knew on January 6th or earlier. He hid it too.
They downplayed it?
"Only 15 cases, soon to be ZERO!"
"It's no worse than a cold or mild flu!"
"The Chinese always lie so there's nothing to worry about!"
Do you think China - or any other nation - would know they had an epidemic on their hands after one case? It's not like it's Ebola.
I told you many times: we were hearing about a "deadly mystery pneumonia" on the news in November. That means that there had to already have been enough cases for it to get noticed and be newsworthy.
And if it was newsworthy, our spies in China probably relayed that info back to the US... IN NOVEMBER.
China only clamped down on the news in December because they weren't prepared to deal with it yet when the whistleblower blew the whistle. And still, people around the world - knowing that planes exist - did nothing.
China is not to blame for how other countries mishandled things.
Should they have been more open and transparent?
Sure.
Do you really think you would have put on a mask in December or January?
No, because "The Chinese always lie."
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Post by abbey1227 on May 25, 2021 8:50:30 GMT
Put the notion of the virus being manmade (it wasn't) aside.
What did the Chinese government do that was so wrong? They hid it? Trump knew on January 6th or earlier. He hid it too.
They downplayed it? "Only 15 cases, soon to be ZERO!" "It's no worse than a cold or mild flu!"
"The Chinese always lie so there's nothing to worry about!" Do you think China - or any other nation - would know they had an epidemic on their hands after one case? It's not like it's Ebola.
I told you many times: we were hearing about a "deadly mystery pneumonia" on the news in November. That means that there had to already have been enough cases for it to get noticed and be newsworthy.
And if it was newsworthy, our spies in China probably relayed that info back to the US... IN NOVEMBER.
China only clamped down on the news in December because they weren't prepared to deal with it yet when the whistleblower blew the whistle. And still, people around the world - knowing that planes exist - did nothing.
China is not to blame for how other countries mishandled things.
Should they have been more open and transparent? Sure.
Do you really think you would have put on a mask in December or January? No, because "The Chinese always lie."
I happen to side with the "They were messing around in a lab and something got out" theory. Sorry, that just seems like the most obvious cause at this point. We don't even have to blame China if you don't wish to........ Fauci & Co could have just as easily funded another lab in another country if it had been easier and more convenient.
But I notice you took major umbrage with Trump........and go to the ends of the Earth to defend China. Pretty sure he was against China on a lot of things. NIH funding was probably one of many things.
I don't think China behaved all that much differently than any other country would. Wasn't the Spanish Flu even a PR job by the US?
That's another part to be argued about.......US spies/Intelligence. Were they working all that well with Trump? Or doing what they could to undermine him? Bill Maher made the call months and months before November of 2019........ to paraphrase "Only by wrecking the economy do we get Trump out."
Not to mention, Newsworthy? Words matter? If it's anti-Trump......it's newsworthy.......even if it's lies and innuendo. If it's anti-Democrat, it needs to be hidden or dismissed. That's the current state and has been for years.
So it took a whistleblower? When there was nothing to it all along? This is how conspiracy theories keep going, no? It sure makes initial reports highly questionable.
Stopping flights from anywhere? But that's xenophobic and racist! Several higher ups in the US Govt told me so.
I 100% agree.......China is not to blame for how other countries handle their business.
Dude, they could have been completely and totally honest........and I still wouldn't have agreed with the masks and the lock down........because that's not how I feel this should have been handled.........and that's whether it was man-made or naturally occurring, too.
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Post by Prometheus on May 26, 2021 3:32:19 GMT
Put the notion of the virus being manmade (it wasn't) aside.
What did the Chinese government do that was so wrong? They hid it? Trump knew on January 6th or earlier. He hid it too.
They downplayed it? "Only 15 cases, soon to be ZERO!" "It's no worse than a cold or mild flu!"
"The Chinese always lie so there's nothing to worry about!" Do you think China - or any other nation - would know they had an epidemic on their hands after one case? It's not like it's Ebola.
I told you many times: we were hearing about a "deadly mystery pneumonia" on the news in November. That means that there had to already have been enough cases for it to get noticed and be newsworthy.
And if it was newsworthy, our spies in China probably relayed that info back to the US... IN NOVEMBER.
China only clamped down on the news in December because they weren't prepared to deal with it yet when the whistleblower blew the whistle. And still, people around the world - knowing that planes exist - did nothing.
China is not to blame for how other countries mishandled things.
Should they have been more open and transparent? Sure.
Do you really think you would have put on a mask in December or January? No, because "The Chinese always lie."
I happen to side with the "They were messing around in a lab and something got out" theory. Sorry, that just seems like the most obvious cause at this point. We don't even have to blame China if you don't wish to........ Fauci & Co could have just as easily funded another lab in another country if it had been easier and more convenient.
But I notice you took major umbrage with Trump........and go to the ends of the Earth to defend China. Pretty sure he was against China on a lot of things. NIH funding was probably one of many things.
I don't think China behaved all that much differently than any other country would. Wasn't the Spanish Flu even a PR job by the US?
That's another part to be argued about.......US spies/Intelligence. Were they working all that well with Trump? Or doing what they could to undermine him? Bill Maher made the call months and months before November of 2019........ to paraphrase "Only by wrecking the economy do we get Trump out."
Not to mention, Newsworthy? Words matter? If it's anti-Trump......it's newsworthy.......even if it's lies and innuendo. If it's anti-Democrat, it needs to be hidden or dismissed. That's the current state and has been for years.
So it took a whistleblower? When there was nothing to it all along? This is how conspiracy theories keep going, no? It sure makes initial reports highly questionable.
Stopping flights from anywhere? But that's xenophobic and racist! Several higher ups in the US Govt told me so.
I 100% agree.......China is not to blame for how other countries handle their business.
Dude, they could have been completely and totally honest........and I still wouldn't have agreed with the masks and the lock down........because that's not how I feel this should have been handled.........and that's whether it was man-made or naturally occurring, too.
I'm not defending China, per se. I just understand why they did what they did even if it was wrong.
Stop with the Q Anon CT bullshit
Since we were hearing about it on the news n November, it means that the disease was "in the wild" for up to 2 or 3 months prior. Do you think it's possible that the Chinese might have started studying the disease when they realized they had a problem? Do you think they might have started that investigation in the nearest lab possible? Do you think that some of the workers might have unknowingly gotten the disease outside the lab since they lived in "ground zero"?
If I come to work with a cough does it mean I caught the cough at work?
There was something to it and the government was already looking into it. By blowing the whistle, the doctor made the government look bad. The government lost face. The people panicked and the government reacted poorly in an effort to regain face.
Just like Trump did.
And I'm going to tell you for the umpteenth time that masking and social distancing from the very beginning would probably have prevented large-scale lockdowns. There still would have been some economic problems but probably not to the extent the US is currently dealing with.
And if Trump had just been on the ball about testing and quarantining foreign travelers, stopping (or limiting) incoming flights might have only lasted for a few weeks to a month (maybe a little longer depending on the point of origin).
It's not xenophobia when there's a a damn good reason to do it... like a public health crisis.
PS Fauci had nothing to do with building the virology lab in Wuhan:
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Post by abbey1227 on May 26, 2021 3:54:21 GMT
I'm not defending China, per se. I just understand why they did what they did even if it was wrong.
Stop with the Q Anon CT bullshit
Since we were hearing about it on the news n November, it means that the disease was "in the wild" for up to 2 or 3 months prior. Do you think it's possible that the Chinese might have started studying the disease when they realized they had a problem? Do you think they might have started that investigation in the nearest lab possible? Do you think that some of the workers might have unknowingly gotten the disease outside the lab since they lived in "ground zero"?
If I come to work with a cough does it mean I caught the cough at work?
There was something to it and the government was already looking into it. By blowing the whistle, the doctor made the government look bad. The government lost face. The people panicked and the government reacted poorly in an effort to regain face.
Just like Trump did.
And I'm going to tell you for the umpteenth time that masking and social distancing from the very beginning would probably have prevented large-scale lockdowns. There still would have been some economic problems but probably not to the extent the US is currently dealing with.
And if Trump had just been on the ball about testing and quarantining foreign travelers, stopping (or limiting) incoming flights might have only lasted for a few weeks to a month (maybe a little longer depending on the point of origin).
It's not xenophobia when there's a a damn good reason to do it... like a public health crisis. PS Fauci had nothing to do with building the virology lab in Wuhan:
I understand their actions, as well. And have agreed, many other countries would do the same. My only contention before and since Covid is that China is not a 'friend' to the US. Those are two separate things, in my mind.
Even crazy loons in QAnon can be correct on something once in awhile. I'll also mention I'd never even heard of them but for the outraged rantings of the leftists on imdbV2........so who was being influenced by them? or maybe the Russians were behind it all along? 
Ground zero was the lab.......not the wet market. Which makes the entire WHO declarations all the more funny.
Work, home, wherever....... once the virus is out there, mutated or not........ it's likely gonna make it's way around.
We heard......something about doors being welded shut.? And even if that's just a bizarre rumor........it's gotta be a heckuva lot easier in China to control the actions and movements of people under that environment.......versus the US where you can't even get people to behave reasonably on a daily basis. How many 'resisting arrest' cases do you see in your neck of the woods, by the way? Does it even happen?
Sorry, for the umpteenth time.......you're ignoring how the Left in our Govt was totally against stopping flights and limiting movement........until weeks later when they were all for lock downs. And now they don't wanna let go of that newly found power. Florida didn't go anywhere near the levels of lockdown that NY or CA did and their schools are open. Their numbers aren't as bad. In fact, many from NY ended up relocating there in the last year.
I'll just point out again, Trump was called xenophobic and racist (again) for daring to try to limit travel from China. Just as he was called a Muslim hater when he tried to limit travel from 7 of over 50 Muslim countries.
Exactly! But it's always bad no matter what Trump says or does.......according to our leftist media. See the whole 'kids in cages' propaganda.
Fauci had plenty to do with providing some of the $Funding.
Here again, I'm not in denial that likely any country that can afford it gets up to similar activities. The US, Russia, India, Germany and on and on and on. China is no different from any of them in this regard.
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Post by Prometheus on May 26, 2021 4:25:58 GMT
I'm not defending China, per se. I just understand why they did what they did even if it was wrong.
Stop with the Q Anon CT bullshit
Since we were hearing about it on the news n November, it means that the disease was "in the wild" for up to 2 or 3 months prior. Do you think it's possible that the Chinese might have started studying the disease when they realized they had a problem? Do you think they might have started that investigation in the nearest lab possible? Do you think that some of the workers might have unknowingly gotten the disease outside the lab since they lived in "ground zero"?
If I come to work with a cough does it mean I caught the cough at work?
There was something to it and the government was already looking into it. By blowing the whistle, the doctor made the government look bad. The government lost face. The people panicked and the government reacted poorly in an effort to regain face.
Just like Trump did.
And I'm going to tell you for the umpteenth time that masking and social distancing from the very beginning would probably have prevented large-scale lockdowns. There still would have been some economic problems but probably not to the extent the US is currently dealing with.
And if Trump had just been on the ball about testing and quarantining foreign travelers, stopping (or limiting) incoming flights might have only lasted for a few weeks to a month (maybe a little longer depending on the point of origin).
It's not xenophobia when there's a a damn good reason to do it... like a public health crisis. PS Fauci had nothing to do with building the virology lab in Wuhan:
I understand their actions, as well. And have agreed, many other countries would do the same. My only contention before and since Covid is that China is not a 'friend' to the US. Those are two separate things, in my mind.
Even crazy loons in QAnon can be correct on something once in awhile. I'll also mention I'd never even heard of them but for the outraged rantings of the leftists on imdbV2........so who was being influenced by them? or maybe the Russians were behind it all along?
Ground zero was the lab.......not the wet market. Which makes the entire WHO declarations all the more funny.
Work, home, wherever....... once the virus is out there, mutated or not........ it's likely gonna make it's way around.
We heard......something about doors being welded shut.? And even if that's just a bizarre rumor........it's gotta be a heckuva lot easier in China to control the actions and movements of people under that environment.......versus the US where you can't even get people to behave reasonably on a daily basis. How many 'resisting arrest' cases do you see in your neck of the woods, by the way? Does it even happen?
Sorry, for the umpteenth time.......you're ignoring how the Left in our Govt was totally against stopping flights and limiting movement........until weeks later when they were all for lock downs. And now they don't wanna let go of that newly found power. Florida didn't go anywhere near the levels of lockdown that NY or CA did and their schools are open. Their numbers aren't as bad. In fact, many from NY ended up relocating there in the last year.
I'll just point out again, Trump was called xenophobic and racist (again) for daring to try to limit travel from China. Just as he was called a Muslim hater when he tried to limit travel from 7 of over 50 Muslim countries.
Exactly! But it's always bad no matter what Trump says or does.......according to our leftist media. See the whole 'kids in cages' propaganda.
Fauci had plenty to do with providing some of the $Funding.
Here again, I'm not in denial that likely any country that can afford it gets up to similar activities. The US, Russia, India, Germany and on and on and on. China is no different from any of them in this regard.
1. China is not a friend therefore anything that happens there must be nefarious? Switch "China" for "the US" and you sound just like their state-run media. Good on ya! You're a commie!
2. ![[rolleye1]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/MTjbungPBOzv0BKQvdPJ.gif)
3. Except that respected virologists from around the world have said that it's not man-made.
4. Which is why people should have protected themselves as well as their friends and family.
5. There's a lot to unpack there... a. Doors were not welded shut. In some areas (not all) bars were welded in place (or chains put on the doors) to keep certain people who had been exposed from roaming around spreading the virus. Doors could be opened far enough to receive provisions and pass out trash.
b. These measures were not ordered by the central government but by local officials doing what they thought was best. Most - if not all - have been removed from their positions for their disregard for life as the barriers would have impeded egress in the case of a fire. c. Most "control" here is exerted by the (several) millennia old notion that those in authority should be respected and in return for that respect will do what is best for the people. d. "Resisting arrest" certainly does happen here and the "resisters" get an ass-whoopin'. Cops will actually get into the back seat with a perp just to continue the ass-whoopin' all the way to the station, where I imagine it continues some more.
6. I'm not ignoring a damn thing. I'm telling you what you should have done back in January to avoid all the shit that happened in March.
7. I think Trump was right to limit travel with China. I think he was wrong for not doing it sooner and for not limiting travel from other places that were already suffering from the disease such as Italy and Spain... and every other place by that time.
8. Have I ever denied that there are idiots on both sides?
9. So you're talking about funding particular research that happened in the lab as opposed to funding the lab's creation? OK.
Start reading there and work your way down. Reading helps you learn stuff, right?
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Post by abbey1227 on May 26, 2021 6:39:23 GMT
1. China is not a friend therefore anything that happens there must be nefarious? Switch "China" for "the US" and you sound just like their state-run media. Good on ya! You're a commie!
2.
3. Except that respected virologists from around the world have said that it's not man-made.
4. Which is why people should have protected themselves as well as their friends and family.
5. There's a lot to unpack there... a. Doors were not welded shut. In some areas (not all) bars were welded in place (or chains put on the doors) to keep certain people who had been exposed from roaming around spreading the virus. Doors could be opened far enough to receive provisions and pass out trash.
b. These measures were not ordered by the central government but by local officials doing what they thought was best. Most - if not all - have been removed from their positions for their disregard for life as the barriers would have impeded egress in the case of a fire. c. Most "control" here is exerted by the (several) millennia old notion that those in authority should be respected and in return for that respect will do what is best for the people. d. "Resisting arrest" certainly does happen here and the "resisters" get an ass-whoopin'. Cops will actually get into the back seat with a perp just to continue the ass-whoopin' all the way to the station, where I imagine it continues some more.
6. I'm not ignoring a damn thing. I'm telling you what you should have done back in January to avoid all the shit that happened in March.
7. I think Trump was right to limit travel with China. I think he was wrong for not doing it sooner and for not limiting travel from other places that were already suffering from the disease such as Italy and Spain... and every other place by that time.
8. Have I ever denied that there are idiots on both sides?
9. So you're talking about funding particular research that happened in the lab as opposed to funding the lab's creation? OK.
Start reading there and work your way down. Reading helps you learn stuff, right?
1. Am I not consistent? I don't think much of the US Govt either.
3. Respected? By WHO? or by whom? This has been brought up before.......if the $Funding is threatened, only 'popular' opinions are allowed. See: Climate Change
4. Of course, anyone feeling the need, should have protected themselves. I never gave jpat shit for wearing a mask or dropping his weight/weightlifting to provide even more protection. He figured he was at higher risk than others.
5. a. OMG, that's one heckuva explaining away.......people were physically restrained from roaming about. That's basically imprisonment, right? b. OK......so people thought they went too far? I agree......but you and I both know it probably did work to some degree.  Meanwhile, prisoners IN the US were coughing and breathing on each other trying to get early releases. c. I agree.......culturally, the Chinese and many others on that side of the planet are much better behaved as people in general. That can be good or bad depending on the scenario. d. OMG! Where's the UN? or all of the civil rights groups? Again, we can agree it does work to some degree. That's not even mentioning the work/detention camps though, is it?
6. I was totally OK with stopping many flights, restricting travel and even a short temporary lock down/adjustment in the social interactions department. My Govt was not and as per usual the disagreements led to petty squabbles, obstruction and delays.
8. No, we all just have our own preferences for idiocy and lies that are told to us.
9. Damn you for giving me homework!! I'm only shocked that list wasn't longer and more intricate. NOW......... let's argue over whether or not that sort of funding is acceptable in all cases? or overall? And why the US, once again, is sending out money to other countries while it can't manage it's own finances? That's not even going into the arguments on the ethics of certain types of research.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 31, 2021 11:53:57 GMT
Wow Did Nazi these headlines coming so soon........... World HuffPost COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked In Lab Accident, Says Top House Foreign Affairs Committee Member Politico
Rep. McCaul: Covid origin 'worst cover-up in human history' The Guardian Trump allies herald Biden investigation of Covid origins in ChinaStill doesn't alter my opinions of either the Chinese or US Govts, though ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif) Business as usual, imo |
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Post by ant-mac on May 31, 2021 12:20:07 GMT
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![[rolleye1]](http://storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/MTjbungPBOzv0BKQvdPJ.gif)
Meanwhile, prisoners IN the US were coughing and breathing on each other trying to get early releases. ![[giveup]](http://storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif)
Business as usual, imo
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