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Post by abbey1227 on May 24, 2021 2:26:25 GMT
Just saw a post from Bernie ..........
Bernie Sanders
What would tuition-free, debt-free higher education mean for you and your family?
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So here's a flippant suggestion.......... how about the cost of such ideas/programs become completely the responsibility of only people that actually have college degrees?
They know better than everyone the value of such high achievement, right? And the absolute certainty of much higher wages that come with said education, correct?
Why burden everyday little people in the US with this kinda thing?  |
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Post by Prometheus on May 24, 2021 3:51:38 GMT
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Why burden everyday little people in the US with this kinda thing? Because they and/or their children will have access to it.
You're suggesting that 34% of the population fund 100% of the opportunity.
I guess that this is where you'll want to talk about taxpayers already funding things for people who don't pay taxes anyway, right?
G'head.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 24, 2021 7:20:57 GMT
Because they and/or their children will have access to it.
You're suggesting that 34% of the population fund 100% of the opportunity.
I guess that this is where you'll want to talk about taxpayers already funding things for people who don't pay taxes anyway, right?
G'head.
Everyone in the US has access to opportunity. Even those here illegally. They often do a better job at succeeding than American citizens.
Why not? Bernie & Co are always suggesting that the Top 1-10% foot the bill for everyone else already.
I think the better argument to have would be to decide what is absolutely necessary........and what is just 1st World niceties? Water, basic food staples, simple clothing, a very basic education and maybe even shelter are about the only things I'd consider to be absolutes.
Everything else should totally be up for discussion, imo
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Post by Prometheus on May 24, 2021 11:41:20 GMT
Because they and/or their children will have access to it.
You're suggesting that 34% of the population fund 100% of the opportunity.
I guess that this is where you'll want to talk about taxpayers already funding things for people who don't pay taxes anyway, right?
G'head.
Everyone in the US has access to opportunity. Even those here illegally. They often do a better job at succeeding than American citizens.
Why not? Bernie & Co are always suggesting that the Top 1-10% foot the bill for everyone else already.
I think the better argument to have would be to decide what is absolutely necessary........and what is just 1st World niceties? Water, basic food staples, simple clothing, a very basic education and maybe even shelter are about the only things I'd consider to be absolutes.
Everything else should totally be up for discussion, imo
1. You really believe that?
2. All those billionaires that dropped out of college are going to be happy to have one less project to pay for....
3. Water? Like in Flint, Michigan?
Basic food staples that corporations keep pricing ahead of inflation? Ditto clothing?
Basic education? Still on that "If you can read, you can learn everything else" thing?
4. You mean everything you feel that you can do without?
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Post by abbey1227 on May 24, 2021 11:46:53 GMT
Everyone in the US has access to opportunity. Even those here illegally. They often do a better job at succeeding than American citizens.
1. You really believe that?
2. All those billionaires that dropped out of college are going to be happy to have one less project to pay for....
3. Water? Like in Flint, Michigan?
Basic food staples that corporations keep pricing ahead of inflation? Ditto clothing?
Basic education? Still on that "If you can read, you can learn everything else" thing?
4. You mean everything you feel that you can do without?
1. Of course, I do. I've seen it with my own two colorblind eyes.
2. No doubt. College-schmollege, they'll say.
3. Exactly. How's that going anyway? How many years should it take to pull some new PEX lines? And install some proper filtering equipment? Water in plastic bottles is the better option......while they're banning plastic straws? Basic food....... I could go down the list, if you'd like. We throw away more food and clothing than probably any other country. Consumerism combined with keeping up with the Joneses times 10. Absolutely. What are you incapable of learning these days? Even after all the damage done to you by your environment and the Jesuits, was it?
4. Everything most people can do without. Another list? Or would you care to provide me with a list of essentials? Keep it as short as possible, please.
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Post by Prometheus on May 25, 2021 2:30:16 GMT
1. You really believe that?
2. All those billionaires that dropped out of college are going to be happy to have one less project to pay for....
3. Water? Like in Flint, Michigan?
Basic food staples that corporations keep pricing ahead of inflation? Ditto clothing?
Basic education? Still on that "If you can read, you can learn everything else" thing?
4. You mean everything you feel that you can do without?
1. Of course, I do. I've seen it with my own two colorblind eyes.
2. No doubt. College-schmollege, they'll say.
3. Exactly. How's that going anyway? How many years should it take to pull some new PEX lines? And install some proper filtering equipment? Water in plastic bottles is the better option......while they're banning plastic straws? Basic food....... I could go down the list, if you'd like. We throw away more food and clothing than probably any other country. Consumerism combined with keeping up with the Joneses times 10. Absolutely. What are you incapable of learning these days? Even after all the damage done to you by your environment and the Jesuits, was it?
4. Everything most people can do without. Another list? Or would you care to provide me with a list of essentials? Keep it as short as possible, please.
1. The "blind" part, I believe
2. Yet in the top 20 of Forbes, college-educated billionaires have about 65% more combined wealth than the drop-outs. And no one (worth listening to) is asking billionaires to foot the bill for everything, just to pay their allotted percentage and nothing less.
3. You consider water a basic necessity and aren't upset when the government fails to provide? That's a new one. If you want to make a list of foods, we can do some price comparisons I know that we throw away a lot... and yet we still have so many hungry people. Should the government help or should we just allow the waste to continue? I'm not sure what damage the environment has done. I'm sure that most people in the know about education consider the Jesuits to be top-notch educators. I also know that the average person - let alone child - doesn't really have the capacity to understand complex issues nor the capacity to think critically about things. Without guidance, you'd end up with a kid thinking aliens built the pyramids and that "panspermia" is an orgy in Neverneverland.
4. I'm pretty sure that YOU already have a list of things that you want other people to do without.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 25, 2021 2:46:06 GMT
1. The "blind" part, I believe
2. Yet in the top 20 of Forbes, college-educated billionaires have about 65% more combined wealth than the drop-outs. And no one (worth listening to) is asking billionaires to foot the bill for everything, just to pay their allotted percentage and nothing less.
3. You consider water a basic necessity and aren't upset when the government fails to provide? That's a new one. If you want to make a list of foods, we can do some price comparisons I know that we throw away a lot... and yet we still have so many hungry people. Should the government help or should we just allow the waste to continue? I'm not sure what damage the environment has done. I'm sure that most people in the know about education consider the Jesuits to be top-notch educators. I also know that the average person - let alone child - doesn't really have the capacity to understand complex issues nor the capacity to think critically about things. Without guidance, you'd end up with a kid thinking aliens built the pyramids and that "panspermia" is an orgy in Neverneverland.
4. I'm pretty sure that YOU already have a list of things that you want other people to do without.
1. No doubt
2. Their allotted? And the ever changing demands?
3. Not new at all. I've said similar things when Flint's water problem was first in the news.
WAIT! Aliens didn't build the pyramids? ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif) Capacity is a good word for that condition, imo.
4. Which list would be shorter? The list I think people should provide for themselves? Or your list of all the things they should be given?
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Post by Prometheus on May 25, 2021 4:12:40 GMT
1. The "blind" part, I believe
2. Yet in the top 20 of Forbes, college-educated billionaires have about 65% more combined wealth than the drop-outs. And no one (worth listening to) is asking billionaires to foot the bill for everything, just to pay their allotted percentage and nothing less.
3. You consider water a basic necessity and aren't upset when the government fails to provide? That's a new one. If you want to make a list of foods, we can do some price comparisons I know that we throw away a lot... and yet we still have so many hungry people. Should the government help or should we just allow the waste to continue? I'm not sure what damage the environment has done. I'm sure that most people in the know about education consider the Jesuits to be top-notch educators. I also know that the average person - let alone child - doesn't really have the capacity to understand complex issues nor the capacity to think critically about things. Without guidance, you'd end up with a kid thinking aliens built the pyramids and that "panspermia" is an orgy in Neverneverland.
4. I'm pretty sure that YOU already have a list of things that you want other people to do without.
1. No doubt
2. Their allotted? And the ever changing demands?
3. Not new at all. I've said similar things when Flint's water problem was first in the news.
WAIT! Aliens didn't build the pyramids? Capacity is a good word for that condition, imo.
4. Which list would be shorter? The list I think people should provide for themselves? Or your list of all the things they should be given?
2. Pay the percentage... no loopholes
3. Condition? Being young is a "condition"?
4. No. I want the list of what you think everyone can do without. Do they really need meat? Do they really need cars? Do they really need cell phones? Do they really need more than two pairs of shoes? And so on. If you'd like to frame your answer in the context of precisely what people need, then go for it. Whatever is easiest for you.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 25, 2021 4:23:28 GMT
2. Pay the percentage... no loopholes
3. Condition? Being young is a "condition"?
4. No. I want the list of what you think everyone can do without. Do they really need meat? Do they really need cars? Do they really need cell phones? Do they really need more than two pairs of shoes? And so on. If you'd like to frame your answer in the context of precisely what people need, then go for it. Whatever is easiest for you.
2. We're in agreement on that part.........how about simply EVERYONE pays IN.......and nobody gets back OUT more than they put in EVER?
3. Condition or state of being. Being limited on intelligence.....is that a condition? Or just another state? Not that there's anything wrong with either.
4. Aside from water, basic food, clothing and shelter.........everything else is on one level of a luxury or another.
Meat is a necessity on a basic level as we've evolved to require some specific nutrients from it. Do we need it to the level most Americans enjoy? Nope Cars are a luxury of modern convenience, of course. It sure helps with adulting and getting around faster, of course. It actually makes me laugh at how many city dwellers insist they're not even required, though. Cuz public transport is so enjoyable?
Cell phones are an absolute luxury for the vast, vast majority. Like most consumer goods........AND they are an economic drain on most Americans.
One pair of shoes should be enough.
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Post by Prometheus on May 25, 2021 6:07:40 GMT
2. Pay the percentage... no loopholes
3. Condition? Being young is a "condition"?
4. No. I want the list of what you think everyone can do without. Do they really need meat? Do they really need cars? Do they really need cell phones? Do they really need more than two pairs of shoes? And so on. If you'd like to frame your answer in the context of precisely what people need, then go for it. Whatever is easiest for you.
2. We're in agreement on that part.........how about simply EVERYONE pays IN.......and nobody gets back OUT more than they put in EVER?
3. Condition or state of being. Being limited on intelligence.....is that a condition? Or just another state? Not that there's anything wrong with either.
4. Aside from water, basic food, clothing and shelter.........everything else is on one level of a luxury or another.
Meat is a necessity on a basic level as we've evolved to require some specific nutrients from it. Do we need it to the level most Americans enjoy? Nope Cars are a luxury of modern convenience, of course. It sure helps with adulting and getting around faster, of course. It actually makes me laugh at how many city dwellers insist they're not even required, though. Cuz public transport is so enjoyable?
Cell phones are an absolute luxury for the vast, vast majority. Like most consumer goods........AND they are an economic drain on most Americans.
One pair of shoes should be enough.
2. I'm all for taxes being a pay-and-forget thing. This notion that we're just "lending" the government some money is bullshit.
3. The capacity to understand things is based on cognitive abilities that grow and evolve over time. If they fail to grow and evolve is the problem. This requires guidance and structure.
4. So... can we assume you'd be OK with the government clothing, feeding, and housing all citizens?
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Post by abbey1227 on May 25, 2021 8:37:37 GMT
2. I'm all for taxes being a pay-and-forget thing. This notion that we're just "lending" the government some money is bullshit.
3. The capacity to understand things is based on cognitive abilities that grow and evolve over time. If they fail to grow and evolve is the problem. This requires guidance and structure.
4. So... can we assume you'd be OK with the government clothing, feeding, and housing all citizens?
2. Agreed
3. I don't believe people can become more intelligent. I do think some can learn new tricks. Many can not past a certain point, imo.
4. Since we're paying for it all already.........what choice do I have? Now the argument is what defines those minimum requirements? For instance, if it's gotta be food, then let them choose the nearest convenient grocery store and supply them with staples......preferably stuff that needs to be prepared so they at least learn how to cook (a rentable skill) and can make every dollar go farther. (Another important skill for adults to pick up)
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Post by Prometheus on May 26, 2021 2:36:05 GMT
2. I'm all for taxes being a pay-and-forget thing. This notion that we're just "lending" the government some money is bullshit.
3. The capacity to understand things is based on cognitive abilities that grow and evolve over time. If they fail to grow and evolve is the problem. This requires guidance and structure.
4. So... can we assume you'd be OK with the government clothing, feeding, and housing all citizens?
2. Agreed
3. I don't believe people can become more intelligent. I do think some can learn new tricks. Many can not past a certain point, imo.
4. Since we're paying for it all already.........what choice do I have? Now the argument is what defines those minimum requirements? For instance, if it's gotta be food, then let them choose the nearest convenient grocery store and supply them with staples......preferably stuff that needs to be prepared so they at least learn how to cook (a rentable skill) and can make every dollar go farther. (Another important skill for adults to pick up)
3. They can't become more intelligent, but they need to be taught how to use what they have. There's a reason why certain things are taught a certain way at certain times in a child's development. You can't just teach a kid addition and expect them to figure out calculus on their own.
4. We're not paying for those things already except water. We're only subsidizing them and not even completely.
I'm not saying that we should. You said the government should be on the hook for some things. I just wanted to know what.
PS
I'm all for mandatory Home Ec. classes starting around 6th or 7th grade. It's a great way for kids to start thinking about whether to choose the academic path or the vo-tech path, but helps to make everyone more self-sufficient
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Capacity is a good word for that condition, imo.![[cheers]](http://storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/engyBVslEdpmpmdnBwZQ.gif)
