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Post by abbey1227 on May 12, 2021 2:43:46 GMT
China, Fauci and the Origins of CovidDid the virus come from a Chinese lab funded by the celebrated doctor’s U.S. government institute? By James Freeman May 7, 2021 4:39 pm ET Before Covid-19 ravaged the world, Dr. Anthony Fauci’s National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases funded coronavirus research that included work at China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology. The idea was to study the ability of such viruses to attack humans, but could a Fauci-funded experiment actually be the source of the deadly global infection? In an exhaustive account of the viral possibilities published this week by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, Nicholas Wade argues that the Chinese lab is the most likely source of the world-wide agony. Left-leaning journalists who don’t like where this story is going may struggle to dismiss the author given his establishment credentials. The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists describes him this way: Nicholas Wade is a science writer, editor, and author who has worked on the staff of Nature, Science, and, for many years, the New York Times. The former Timesman writes: The virus that caused the pandemic is known officially as SARS-CoV-2, but can be called SARS2 for short. As many people know, there are two main theories about its origin. One is that it jumped naturally from wildlife to people. The other is that the virus was under study in a lab, from which it escaped... it seems to me that proponents of lab escape can explain all the available facts about SARS2 considerably more easily than can those who favor natural emergence. Mr. Wade describes a key Chinese researcher whose work received support from Dr. Fauci’s institute via a U.S. group called EcoHealth Alliance: Researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, led by China’s leading expert on bat viruses, Shi Zheng-li or “Bat Lady,” mounted frequent expeditions to the bat-infested caves of Yunnan in southern China and collected around a hundred different bat coronaviruses... It cannot yet be stated that Shi did or did not generate SARS2 in her lab because her records have been sealed, but it seems she was certainly on the right track to have done so. “It is clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was systematically constructing novel chimeric coronaviruses and was assessing their ability to infect human cells and human-ACE2-expressing mice,” says Richard H. Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University and leading expert on biosafety. Mr. Wade then details at length why he believes a lab-created virus in this case is much more likely than a natural one. His case in the following paragraphs contains much jargon but his argument is clear: The scourge was particularly suited to attack humans and yet there’s little if any evidence showing a natural evolution from a virus that attacks bats to a virus that attacks people: It’s documented that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were doing gain-of-function experiments designed to make coronaviruses infect human cells and humanized mice. This is exactly the kind of experiment from which a SARS2-like virus could have emerged. The researchers were not vaccinated against the viruses under study, and they were working in the minimal safety conditions of a BSL2 laboratory. So escape of a virus would not be at all surprising. In all of China, the pandemic broke out on the doorstep of the Wuhan institute. The virus was already well adapted to humans, as expected for a virus grown in humanized mice. It possessed an unusual enhancement, a furin cleavage site, which is not possessed by any other known SARS-related beta-coronavirus, and this site included a double arginine codon also unknown among beta-coronaviruses. What more evidence could you want, aside from the presently unobtainable lab records documenting SARS2’s creation? Proponents of natural emergence have a rather harder story to tell... No one has found the bat population that was the source of SARS2, if indeed it ever infected bats. No intermediate host has presented itself, despite an intensive search by Chinese authorities that included the testing of 80,000 animals. There is no evidence of the virus making multiple independent jumps from its intermediate host to people, as both the SARS1 and MERS viruses did. There is no evidence from hospital surveillance records of the epidemic gathering strength in the population as the virus evolved. There is no explanation of why a natural epidemic should break out in Wuhan and nowhere else. There is no good explanation of how the virus acquired its furin cleavage site, which no other SARS-related beta-coronavirus possesses, nor why the site is composed of human-preferred codons. The natural emergence theory battles a bristling array of implausibilities. There seems to be some debate about whether the Wuhan coronavirus work really did involve “gain-of-function” research—genetically engineering viruses to attack people under the premise that such research assists in learning how to counter future threats. In February the website PolitiFact reported, “All parties involved in the grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology have denied that it involved gain-of-function research.” PolitiFact attributed a quotation to the National Institutes of Health, the parent agency of Dr. Fauci’s organization: The NIH told us: “The research supported under the grant to EcoHealth Alliance Inc. characterized the function of newly discovered bat spike proteins and naturally occurring pathogens and did not involve the enhancement of the pathogenicity or transmissibility of the viruses studied.” But PolitiFact also stated: MIT biologist Kevin Esvelt reviewed a paper that appears to have been published with financial assistance from the grant. According to Esvelt, certain techniques that the researchers used seemed to meet the definition of gain-of-function research. This column contacted the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases on this issue and a spokesperson says, “We’ll get back to you.” UPDATE: Three days after this column’s inquiry, NIAID responded, “At no time did NIAID fund gain-of-function research to be conducted at WIV.” As to the question of whether the Chinese lab did perform such research, NIAID says: “It is impossible for us to be aware of nor can we account for all of their activities.” Rep. Mike Gallagher (R., Wis.) wrote to Dr. Fauci on Wednesday in search of some answers: The State Department has detailed several concerning revelations, including that the U.S. government has reason to believe several researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) became sick in autumn 2019 with symptoms consistent with COVID-19, before the first public cases emerged in that community... How much U.S. government funding has gone to the WIV over time, and how much of that supported gain-of-function research? Did U.S. government funding go to the WIV even during the 2014-2017 U.S. moratorium on funding gain-of-function research? On Thursday the ranking member on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R., Wash.), and two Republican colleagues on the committee wrote to Secretary of State Antony Blinken to “request that the U.S. Department of State release unclassified documents and declassify other documents for public release, as appropriate, related to the assertion in the Department’s January 15, 2021 Fact Sheet that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) in Wuhan, China collaborated with the Chinese military in conducting classified research, including laboratory animal experiments.” Did any of the results of those experiments leave the lab and make their way around the world?
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Post by Prometheus on May 12, 2021 4:21:20 GMT
So... the scientist at the forefront of identifying the virus is the cause of the virus?
I can't help but wonder if the outbreak had started in London, if so much energy would be expended on talking about the Viral Zoonosis unit at the National Institute for Medical Research in London.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 12, 2021 7:49:18 GMT
So... the scientist at the forefront of identifying the virus is the cause of the virus? I can't help but wonder if the outbreak had started in London, if so much energy would be expended on talking about the Viral Zoonosis unit at the National Institute for Medical Research in London.
It may have led to abandoning the entire idea of BREXIT. 
Maybe we're all just part of some new woke Tuskegee Experiment? A way to finally get everyone dependent on Big Govt.......or else
The latest bit I heard from Fauci is these precautions may have to be in place for years to come.......and maybe Americans will just adopt the habits of mask wearing every cold & flu season like some notable other countries do?........getting booster shots on a regular basis, too?
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Post by Prometheus on May 12, 2021 11:54:07 GMT
So... the scientist at the forefront of identifying the virus is the cause of the virus? I can't help but wonder if the outbreak had started in London, if so much energy would be expended on talking about the Viral Zoonosis unit at the National Institute for Medical Research in London.
It may have led to abandoning the entire idea of BREXIT.
Maybe we're all just part of some new woke Tuskegee Experiment? A way to finally get everyone dependent on Big Govt.......or else
The latest bit I heard from Fauci is these precautions may have to be in place for years to come.......and maybe Americans will just adopt the habits of mask wearing every cold & flu season like some notable other countries do?........getting booster shots on a regular basis, too?
1. Too late
2. That's some Q-Anon-level conspiracy shit right there!
3. You mean people might actively try to not get sick?
What is the world coming to?
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Post by abbey1227 on May 12, 2021 12:50:16 GMT
1. Too late
2. That's some Q-Anon-level conspiracy shit right there!
3. You mean people might actively try to not get sick?
What is the world coming to?
1. Is it? They've been stalling for over 5 years now, haven't they?
2. Right. The US Govt and Establishment types would never engage in anything nefarious or untowards.
3. People get to choose for themselves.......heckuva concept.
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Post by Prometheus on May 12, 2021 13:11:34 GMT
1. Too late
2. That's some Q-Anon-level conspiracy shit right there!
3. You mean people might actively try to not get sick?
What is the world coming to?
1. Is it? They've been stalling for over 5 years now, haven't they?
2. Right. The US Govt and Establishment types would never engage in anything nefarious or untowards.
3. People get to choose for themselves.......heckuva concept.
1. By the time of the outbreak, the time to pull out of Brexit had passed
2. OK. The truth is that the secret lab is located under a cafe called, "Cup o' Covid." It's right next to the Pedo Pizza Parlor
3. The part you seem to keep disregarding is that they aren't just making the decision for themselves. They're making it for everyone around them as well. ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif) |
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Post by abbey1227 on May 12, 2021 13:20:21 GMT
1. By the time of the outbreak, the time to pull out of Brexit had passed
2. OK. The truth is that the secret lab is located under a cafe called, "Cup o' Covid." It's right next to the Pedo Pizza Parlor
3. The part you seem to keep disregarding is that they aren't just making the decision for themselves. They're making it for everyone around them as well.
1. And yet, it drags on and on and on.
2. Cup o' Covid: Stop in for some hot covfefe  Though I can understand how conflicting it is to choose which govt is more devious, the US? or the Chinese?
3. That's part of every day life now. Cell phones. Drugs. Welfare. etc etc etc all of those decisions people make that end up costing others. Now they're pushing to vaccinate kids as young as 12?.....despite the science pointing out kids are facing no real threat from it? While a friend of mine recovering from the vaccine in the ICU has their online comments 'Fact Checked' by Facebook?
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Post by Prometheus on May 12, 2021 13:39:13 GMT
1. By the time of the outbreak, the time to pull out of Brexit had passed
2. OK. The truth is that the secret lab is located under a cafe called, "Cup o' Covid." It's right next to the Pedo Pizza Parlor
3. The part you seem to keep disregarding is that they aren't just making the decision for themselves. They're making it for everyone around them as well.
1. And yet, it drags on and on and on.
2. Cup o' Covid: Stop in for some hot covfefe Though I can understand how conflicting it is to choose which govt is more devious, the US? or the Chinese?
3. That's part of every day life now. Cell phones. Drugs. Welfare. etc etc etc all of those decisions people make that end up costing others. Now they're pushing to vaccinate kids as young as 12?.....despite the science pointing out kids are facing no real threat from it? While a friend of mine recovering from the vaccine in the ICU has their online comments 'Fact Checked' by Facebook?
1. Not your problem. Get over it.
2. I'm not conflicted at all. There's a disease out there that's killing 2% of the people who get infected. I don't want to die and I don't want to kill people by accident.
3. AGAIN... just because kids might have a lower mortality rate doesn't mean they can't spread it to their teachers, neighbors, and relatives who might be in a higher risk category.
Why is this so fucking hard for you to understand? As for your friend in the ICU, I'm sorry for his troubles, but he's also a rarity. Chances are that he had a pre-existing condition that led to his troubles.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 12, 2021 13:45:35 GMT
1. Not your problem. Get over it.
2. I'm not conflicted at all. There's a disease out there that's killing 2% of the people who get infected. I don't want to die and I don't want to kill people by accident.
3. AGAIN... just because kids might have a lower mortality rate doesn't mean they can't spread it to their teachers, neighbors, and relatives who might be in a higher risk category.
Why is this so fucking hard for you to understand? As for your friend in the ICU, I'm sorry for his troubles, but he's also a rarity. Chances are that he had a pre-existing condition that led to his troubles.
A rarity? Like something less than 2%? She did have several pre-existings, though.
It's also my understanding kids very rarely succumb to covid....... much less pass it on to others.
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Post by Prometheus on May 13, 2021 2:58:52 GMT
1. Not your problem. Get over it.
2. I'm not conflicted at all. There's a disease out there that's killing 2% of the people who get infected. I don't want to die and I don't want to kill people by accident.
3. AGAIN... just because kids might have a lower mortality rate doesn't mean they can't spread it to their teachers, neighbors, and relatives who might be in a higher risk category.
Why is this so fucking hard for you to understand? As for your friend in the ICU, I'm sorry for his troubles, but he's also a rarity. Chances are that he had a pre-existing condition that led to his troubles.
A rarity? Like something less than 2%? She did have several pre-existings, though.
It's also my understanding kids very rarely succumb to covid....... much less pass it on to others.
1. As in a fraction of a percent... and usually tied to a pre-existing condition
2. If they get it and never even show a single symptom they are still carriers. They can still pass it on. That's been the whole point all along: you can be a carrier from the moment you're infected, even during the incubation period. Remember how you pointed out that the infection rate might be much higher than previously thought? THAT'S why!
"Yes our 3-year-old has Covid, but we don't see the point of masking her as she's unlikely to die from it. The strange thing is that all 4 of her grandparents died within a couple weeks of babysitting...."
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Post by abbey1227 on May 13, 2021 12:58:48 GMT
1. As in a fraction of a percent... and usually tied to a pre-existing condition
2. If they get it and never even show a single symptom they are still carriers. They can still pass it on. That's been the whole point all along: you can be a carrier from the moment you're infected, even during the incubation period. Remember how you pointed out that the infection rate might be much higher than previously thought? THAT'S why!
"Yes our 3-year-old has Covid, but we don't see the point of masking her as she's unlikely to die from it. The strange thing is that all 4 of her grandparents died within a couple weeks of babysitting...."
you've reminded me of a PSA about whooping cough? or some other ailment that the elderly were supposed to be wary of and take every precaution to avoid giving to their newborn grandkids. Seems like a reasonable expectation in a family setting.......no so in the rest of population.
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Post by Prometheus on May 14, 2021 4:02:20 GMT
1. As in a fraction of a percent... and usually tied to a pre-existing condition
2. If they get it and never even show a single symptom they are still carriers. They can still pass it on. That's been the whole point all along: you can be a carrier from the moment you're infected, even during the incubation period. Remember how you pointed out that the infection rate might be much higher than previously thought? THAT'S why!
"Yes our 3-year-old has Covid, but we don't see the point of masking her as she's unlikely to die from it. The strange thing is that all 4 of her grandparents died within a couple weeks of babysitting...."
you've reminded me of a PSA about whooping cough? or some other ailment that the elderly were supposed to be wary of and take every precaution to avoid giving to their newborn grandkids. Seems like a reasonable expectation in a family setting.......no so in the rest of population.
Couple hours with grandma on the weekend is reasonable but 8 hours with co-workers 5 days a week isn't? Dealing with dozens of people in a shop day after day isn't?
The chance of infection between two unmasked people (one with Covid, the other without) talking to each other - even briefly - within an arm's length, is 90%. How many times in a row can you get the coin to come up heads? Sooner or later, it's going to come up tails. |
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Post by abbey1227 on May 14, 2021 15:21:33 GMT
you've reminded me of a PSA about whooping cough? or some other ailment that the elderly were supposed to be wary of and take every precaution to avoid giving to their newborn grandkids. Seems like a reasonable expectation in a family setting.......no so in the rest of population.
Couple hours with grandma on the weekend is reasonable but 8 hours with co-workers 5 days a week isn't? Dealing with dozens of people in a shop day after day isn't?
The chance of infection between two unmasked people (one with Covid, the other without) talking to each other - even briefly - within an arm's length, is 90%. How many times in a row can you get the coin to come up heads? Sooner or later, it's going to come up tails.
That's how most of life works.
The CDC is flip-flopping again.......and now says people that have been vaccinated can be out in public with no fear of spreading covid. Groups like them always get a pass.......they're never wrong......just always adjusting their latest theories?
There was a poll out this week that insisted people who have already been vaccinated are much more worried about covid infection.........than those who have yet, or refuse to get vaccinated.
Now WHY is that? Do some people just have greater levels of fear/hysteria? Does it mean the latter group is just much more in need of brains and an education?
I think it says a great deal about the political tendencies of these 2 groups of people.
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Post by Prometheus on May 15, 2021 3:41:32 GMT
Couple hours with grandma on the weekend is reasonable but 8 hours with co-workers 5 days a week isn't? Dealing with dozens of people in a shop day after day isn't?
The chance of infection between two unmasked people (one with Covid, the other without) talking to each other - even briefly - within an arm's length, is 90%. How many times in a row can you get the coin to come up heads? Sooner or later, it's going to come up tails.
That's how most of life works.
The CDC is flip-flopping again.......and now says people that have been vaccinated can be out in public with no fear of spreading covid. Groups like them always get a pass.......they're never wrong......just always adjusting their latest theories?
There was a poll out this week that insisted people who have already been vaccinated are much more worried about covid infection.........than those who have yet, or refuse to get vaccinated.
Now WHY is that? Do some people just have greater levels of fear/hysteria? Does it mean the latter group is just much more in need of brains and an education?
I think it says a great deal about the political tendencies of these 2 groups of people.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 15, 2021 12:26:37 GMT
Yeah. We don't want scientists to observe and test before making recommendations. And we sure as hell don't want them updating their recommendations based on new information. That's just fucking crazy!
Fauci has never been wrong. Just say it
He's an expert
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Post by Prometheus on May 16, 2021 0:29:39 GMT
Yeah. We don't want scientists to observe and test before making recommendations. And we sure as hell don't want them updating their recommendations based on new information. That's just fucking crazy!
Fauci has never been wrong. Just say it
He's an expert
He was wrong when he originally said, "No masks."
As much as the "left" wants to paint Fauci as objective, he's not... not completely. No one whose job depends upon politicians can ever be truly objective. That said, you can't just dismiss everything they have to say on that observation alone.
If a kid gets one answer wrong on one test out of hundreds in their school career, do you think the kid is an idiot?
You acknowledge fallibility in humans then get upset when you find it and want to chuck away all the good stuff because all of a sudden you no longer trust it. ![[crazy1]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/ue0z0fwvecEC0UQSHAmw.gif) |
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Post by abbey1227 on May 16, 2021 1:25:02 GMT
He was wrong when he originally said, "No masks."
As much as the "left" wants to paint Fauci as objective, he's not... not completely. No one whose job depends upon politicians can ever be truly objective. That said, you can't just dismiss everything they have to say on that observation alone.
If a kid gets one answer wrong on one test out of hundreds in their school career, do you think the kid is an idiot?
You acknowledge fallibility in humans then get upset when you find it and want to chuck away all the good stuff because all of a sudden you no longer trust it.
Was he lying or just wrong when he said the NIH has never funded gain-of-function?
Wow! You come up with a Deusy of Truth like that.......which I totally agree with......but then you temper it with faith in Govt. To be honest, I'm not dismissing everything these people say......... I'm just stating my point of view that their lack of objectivity combined with the nefarious nature of people given power tending to abuse it......again.
No, not at all. But is he smart? or just a Chinese kid that coached to give all the correct answers without learning how to express himself and be artistic?
You keep giving me that accusation used against Libertarians so often......."So, you don't believe in roads!?" My entire point is everything that exists today does not and did not rely entirely on Govt. That's it. If there's a way to do it without Govt (thus tax dollars) I'd almost always prefer to go that route. I am admittedly spoiled and used to modern living.......so I'm not all about throwing out the entire baby with the bathwater.........yet this is how it's represented all the time. Without the current size and scope of Govt.......we'd all die?
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 3:54:18 GMT
He was wrong when he originally said, "No masks."
As much as the "left" wants to paint Fauci as objective, he's not... not completely. No one whose job depends upon politicians can ever be truly objective. That said, you can't just dismiss everything they have to say on that observation alone.
If a kid gets one answer wrong on one test out of hundreds in their school career, do you think the kid is an idiot?
You acknowledge fallibility in humans then get upset when you find it and want to chuck away all the good stuff because all of a sudden you no longer trust it.
Was he lying or just wrong when he said the NIH has never funded gain-of-function?
Wow! You come up with a Deusy of Truth like that.......which I totally agree with......but then you temper it with faith in Govt. To be honest, I'm not dismissing everything these people say......... I'm just stating my point of view that their lack of objectivity combined with the nefarious nature of people given power tending to abuse it......again.
No, not at all. But is he smart? or just a Chinese kid that coached to give all the correct answers without learning how to express himself and be artistic?
You keep giving me that accusation used against Libertarians so often......."So, you don't believe in roads!?" My entire point is everything that exists today does not and did not rely entirely on Govt. That's it. If there's a way to do it without Govt (thus tax dollars) I'd almost always prefer to go that route. I am admittedly spoiled and used to modern living.......so I'm not all about throwing out the entire baby with the bathwater.........yet this is how it's represented all the time. Without the current size and scope of Govt.......we'd all die?
1. I have no idea
2. Faith in government? No. Faith in science? Yup.
3. Fair point. Let's say the kid is one of your nieces or nephews
4. It has nothing to do with libertarianism... which is NOT monolithic. I consider myself a libertarian. I believe that we can do more with less (as you often opine), but I'd like to think that my "solutions" are based on the notion of a team: individuals working together for a common goal that still allow for individual exceptionalism while at the same time helping other team members to reach their pinnacle performance.
Teams still need captains to lead. Teams still need coaches to train and motivate. Teams still need team doctors to make sure everyone is as healthy as possible in order to play. Teams still need administrators to ensure that everyone has quality, functional equipment, and that the playing field is level.
Yes. There are always going to be some people just "riding the pine" happy to be on the team but not really contributing much more than cheering on their teammates.
You're the guy who didn't get picked for the team and spends his time criticizing. I guess we could call that "CRITICAL Political THEORY": just a narrative based on anecdotal stories that have morphed into a form of gospel to be repeated and believed based on faith.
Yeah. That's it.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 17, 2021 4:06:11 GMT
You keep giving me that accusation used against Libertarians so often......."So, you don't believe in roads!?" My entire point is everything that exists today does not and did not rely entirely on Govt. That's it. If there's a way to do it without Govt (thus tax dollars) I'd almost always prefer to go that route. I am admittedly spoiled and used to modern living.......so I'm not all about throwing out the entire baby with the bathwater.........yet this is how it's represented all the time. Without the current size and scope of Govt.......we'd all die?
1. I have no idea
2. Faith in government? No. Faith in science? Yup.
3. Fair point. Let's say the kid is one of your nieces or nephews
4. It has nothing to do with libertarianism... which is NOT monolithic. I consider myself a libertarian. I believe that we can do more with less (as you often opine), but I'd like to think that my "solutions" are based on the notion of a team: individuals working together for a common goal that still allow for individual exceptionalism while at the same time helping other team members to reach their pinnacle performance.
Teams still need captains to lead. Teams still need coaches to train and motivate. Teams still need team doctors to make sure everyone is as healthy as possible in order to play. Teams still need administrators to ensure that everyone has quality, functional equipment, and that the playing field is level.
Yes. There are always going to be some people just "riding the pine" happy to be on the team but not really contributing much more than cheering on their teammates.
You're the guy who didn't get picked for the team and spends his time criticizing. I guess we could call that "CRITICAL Political THEORY": just a narrative based on anecdotal stories that have morphed into a form of gospel to be repeated and believed based on faith.
Yeah. That's it.
2. There's a big problem these days......I'll use 'Climate Change' as a fer instance...... IF the only people receiving acknowledgement and most importantly FUNDING are those that tow the company/Govt line....... how trustworthy is the science?
3. What difference does being related to me make? They either earn their way thru merit........ or they don't.
4. There's a major flaw/problem with groups that favor individualism..........they're not as organized and worried about using the force of their masses to impose their will on others. (effective politics) The major difference is in the levels we prefer........ Team vs Individual ...... Collective vs Citizen
PEOPLE need leaders.........and I find that very odd for so called Adults.
That percentage of every group 'riding the pines' is important, I think. It can't exceed a certain level and still be sustainable, can it?
I lettered in varsity on multiple teams/squads. But I also preferred the sport that gave me more freedom over my own success/failure.
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Post by Prometheus on May 17, 2021 17:05:24 GMT
1. I have no idea
2. Faith in government? No. Faith in science? Yup.
3. Fair point. Let's say the kid is one of your nieces or nephews
4. It has nothing to do with libertarianism... which is NOT monolithic. I consider myself a libertarian. I believe that we can do more with less (as you often opine), but I'd like to think that my "solutions" are based on the notion of a team: individuals working together for a common goal that still allow for individual exceptionalism while at the same time helping other team members to reach their pinnacle performance.
Teams still need captains to lead. Teams still need coaches to train and motivate. Teams still need team doctors to make sure everyone is as healthy as possible in order to play. Teams still need administrators to ensure that everyone has quality, functional equipment, and that the playing field is level.
Yes. There are always going to be some people just "riding the pine" happy to be on the team but not really contributing much more than cheering on their teammates.
You're the guy who didn't get picked for the team and spends his time criticizing. I guess we could call that "CRITICAL Political THEORY": just a narrative based on anecdotal stories that have morphed into a form of gospel to be repeated and believed based on faith.
Yeah. That's it.
2. There's a big problem these days......I'll use 'Climate Change' as a fer instance...... IF the only people receiving acknowledgement and most importantly FUNDING are those that tow the company/Govt line....... how trustworthy is the science?
3. What difference does being related to me make? They either earn their way thru merit........ or they don't.
4. There's a major flaw/problem with groups that favor individualism..........they're not as organized and worried about using the force of their masses to impose their will on others. (effective politics) The major difference is in the levels we prefer........ Team vs Individual ...... Collective vs Citizen
PEOPLE need leaders.........and I find that very odd for so called Adults.
That percentage of every group 'riding the pines' is important, I think. It can't exceed a certain level and still be sustainable, can it?
I lettered in varsity on multiple teams/squads. But I also preferred the sport that gave me more freedom over my own success/failure.
2. Baby and bath water: if they fuck with us about one thing they must be fucking with us about everything therefore we shouldn't believe anything!
3. Whatever. It's the kid across the street. Oh wait. Now I have to listen to a different dodge. Fuck it.
4. All citizens are part of the collective society. Your life, your livelihood, your success or failure all rely on other people at some level or another.
I notice you said "more freedom" and not "complete freedom."
Tell me which sport you preferred and I'll see if my analogy will fit....
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Though I can understand how conflicting it is to choose which govt is more devious, the US? or the Chinese?![[rolleye1]](http://storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/MTjbungPBOzv0BKQvdPJ.gif)
![[crazy1]](http://storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/ue0z0fwvecEC0UQSHAmw.gif)
![[cheers]](http://storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/engyBVslEdpmpmdnBwZQ.gif)
