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Post by abbey1227 on May 3, 2021 3:37:23 GMT
Yes. You'll need to provide a link... from a reputable source.
And you don't "walk the line." You jump back and forth across it like you're playing Double Dutch with the local kids.
The US has struggled with getting enough COVID-19 tests for the population throughout the pandemic and widespread testing is still not available or utilized in many states. This has resulted in a large number of people who likely became infected with the novel coronavirus behind COVID-19, but who did not get officially diagnosed and therefore were not included in official statistics. The new study from the CDC scientists uses a model based on known data to determine the number of cases that may have gone unreported, finding that when it comes to nationally-reported cases of non-hospitalized COVID-19, only 1 in every 7.1 illnesses may have been identified. When it comes to hospitalizations resulting from COVID-19, the number drops to 1 in every 2.5 cases.Whereas the officially reported number of COVID-19 cases in the US at the end of September was around 53 million, the actual number of cases by now could be closer to 100 million, based on this study.
link from this piece...........
and more............
Why The Pandemic Is 10 Times Worse Than You Think
February 6, 20215:01 AM ET Nurith Aizenman, photographed for NPR, 11 March 2020, in Washington DC.
Ever since the coronavirus reached the U.S., officials and citizens alike have gauged the severity of the spread by tracking one measure in particular: How many new cases are confirmed through testing each day. However, it has been clear all along that this number is an understatement because of testing shortfalls.
Now a research team at Columbia University has built a mathematical model that gives a much more complete — and scary — picture of how much virus is circulating in our communities.
It estimates how many people are never counted because they never get tested. And it answers a second question that is arguably even more crucial — but that until now has not been reliably estimated: On any given day, what is the total number of people who are actively infectious? This includes those who may have been infected on previous days but are still shedding virus and capable of spreading disease.
The model's conclusion: On any given day, the actual number of active cases — people who are newly infected or still infectious — is likely 10 times that day's official number of reported cases.
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Post by Prometheus on May 4, 2021 3:06:26 GMT
Yes. You'll need to provide a link... from a reputable source.
And you don't "walk the line." You jump back and forth across it like you're playing Double Dutch with the local kids.
The US has struggled with getting enough COVID-19 tests for the population throughout the pandemic and widespread testing is still not available or utilized in many states. This has resulted in a large number of people who likely became infected with the novel coronavirus behind COVID-19, but who did not get officially diagnosed and therefore were not included in official statistics. The new study from the CDC scientists uses a model based on known data to determine the number of cases that may have gone unreported, finding that when it comes to nationally-reported cases of non-hospitalized COVID-19, only 1 in every 7.1 illnesses may have been identified. When it comes to hospitalizations resulting from COVID-19, the number drops to 1 in every 2.5 cases.Whereas the officially reported number of COVID-19 cases in the US at the end of September was around 53 million, the actual number of cases by now could be closer to 100 million, based on this study.
link from this piece...........
and more............
Why The Pandemic Is 10 Times Worse Than You Think
February 6, 20215:01 AM ET Nurith Aizenman, photographed for NPR, 11 March 2020, in Washington DC.
Ever since the coronavirus reached the U.S., officials and citizens alike have gauged the severity of the spread by tracking one measure in particular: How many new cases are confirmed through testing each day. However, it has been clear all along that this number is an understatement because of testing shortfalls.
Now a research team at Columbia University has built a mathematical model that gives a much more complete — and scary — picture of how much virus is circulating in our communities.
It estimates how many people are never counted because they never get tested. And it answers a second question that is arguably even more crucial — but that until now has not been reliably estimated: On any given day, what is the total number of people who are actively infectious? This includes those who may have been infected on previous days but are still shedding virus and capable of spreading disease.
The model's conclusion: On any given day, the actual number of active cases — people who are newly infected or still infectious — is likely 10 times that day's official number of reported cases.
Does NPR work for you? (It usually doesn't for me ) I've never listened to NPR so I have no idea if it works for me.
If the infection rate is actually that high, then the mortality rate would actually be lower... 6 per 1,000... 3 per 500... 1 per 167
Still way more deadly that measles, mumps, or chicken pox.
I know you're desperate to hang on to the "it ain't so bad" mantra, but it is.
Do you want to say that it's an overall good thing by decreasing the excess population? I might be able to get behind that.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 4, 2021 5:34:48 GMT
I've never listened to NPR so I have no idea if it works for me.
If the infection rate is actually that high, then the mortality rate would actually be lower... 6 per 1,000... 3 per 500... 1 per 167
Still way more deadly that measles, mumps, or chicken pox.
I know you're desperate to hang on to the "it ain't so bad" mantra, but it is.
Do you want to say that it's an overall good thing by decreasing the excess population? I might be able to get behind that.
NPR is basically the PBS of the radio..............so imo, it's just tax funded leftists that barely make an effort to hide their party choice these days. And remember, I say this as someone who loathes the GOP almost as much as the Dems.......maybe even hating the GOP more at the moment.
This is where you and I are at......... I think..........we're perfectly willing to listen, but we're also at least somewhat skeptical of all of the fear mongering numbers being thrown about. And THAT should be an acceptable place to start a conversation.
I got no problem agreeing it's more contagious and poses a greater threat to the elderly and vulnerable......... but I also do not agree that shutting it all down and this inconsistent Govt controlled response has made any sense whatsoever.
I just responded in another thread where you suggested the Earth could use a good culling. Even before Covid I've been of the mindset that humanity is not doing itself any favors by ignoring how nature works. We're not in tune with that and haven't been for a very long time. Protecting and passing along genetic defects isn't lessening the struggle, it's setting up an even greater catastrophe, imo. |
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Post by Prometheus on May 5, 2021 3:22:39 GMT
I've never listened to NPR so I have no idea if it works for me.
If the infection rate is actually that high, then the mortality rate would actually be lower... 6 per 1,000... 3 per 500... 1 per 167
Still way more deadly that measles, mumps, or chicken pox.
I know you're desperate to hang on to the "it ain't so bad" mantra, but it is.
Do you want to say that it's an overall good thing by decreasing the excess population? I might be able to get behind that.
NPR is basically the PBS of the radio..............so imo, it's just tax funded leftists that barely make an effort to hide their party choice these days. And remember, I say this as someone who loathes the GOP almost as much as the Dems.......maybe even hating the GOP more at the moment.
This is where you and I are at......... I think..........we're perfectly willing to listen, but we're also at least somewhat skeptical of all of the fear mongering numbers being thrown about. And THAT should be an acceptable place to start a conversation.
I got no problem agreeing it's more contagious and poses a greater threat to the elderly and vulnerable......... but I also do not agree that shutting it all down and this inconsistent Govt controlled response has made any sense whatsoever.
I just responded in another thread where you suggested the Earth could use a good culling. Even before Covid I've been of the mindset that humanity is not doing itself any favors by ignoring how nature works. We're not in tune with that and haven't been for a very long time. Protecting and passing along genetic defects isn't lessening the struggle, it's setting up an even greater catastrophe, imo. 1. Never really watched PBS once my interest waned in Big Bird and Mr. Rogers. Maybe I'd catch something interesting like Sagan or "I, Claudius" once in a while.... ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif)
2. The numbers are the numbers... more below
3. I don't know why I have to keep saying this, but the severe lockdowns, business closings, etc. were all caused by skepticism. If the US had been early adopters of masks and distancing, most of the lockdowns and shutdowns wouldn't have happened. There might not have been a need for nearly $4 trillion in stimulus packages. If the Trump administration hadn't been so skeptical of anything and everything Obama had ever done, maybe the epidemic response team (or whatever they were called) could have helped form better policies in those early days of last year.
The fact that we're still talking about the epidemic nearly 18 months on is because some people were skeptical of the numbers and they still can't let go and do the right things. They care more about maintaining their "political virtue" than the lives of their fellow countrymen. I'm betting that Republican virtue signaling in the past 18 months has cost more lives than police brutality in a couple hundred years.
4. I've written many a piece on exactly that topic. We are stalling our own evolution... probably to the point of extinction.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 5, 2021 4:40:33 GMT
1. Never really watched PBS once my interest waned in Big Bird and Mr. Rogers. Maybe I'd catch something interesting like Sagan or "I, Claudius" once in a while....
2. The numbers are the numbers... more below
3. I don't know why I have to keep saying this, but the severe lockdowns, business closings, etc. were all caused by skepticism. If the US had been early adopters of masks and distancing, most of the lockdowns and shutdowns wouldn't have happened. There might not have been a need for nearly $4 trillion in stimulus packages. If the Trump administration hadn't been so skeptical of anything and everything Obama had ever done, maybe the epidemic response team (or whatever they were called) could have helped form better policies in those early days of last year.
The fact that we're still talking about the epidemic nearly 18 months on is because some people were skeptical of the numbers and they still can't let go and do the right things. They care more about maintaining their "political virtue" than the lives of their fellow countrymen. I'm betting that Republican virtue signaling in the past 18 months has cost more lives than police brutality in a couple hundred years.
4. I've written many a piece on exactly that topic. We are stalling our own evolution... probably to the point of extinction.
1. Someone, maybe Porkpie?, recommended PBS to me as an unbiased news source......... I gave it a few weeks and just concluded some of us just view the world/news that differently. They're tax payer funded.......so how the F are they EVER gonna come out and support any truly small govt conservative ideas? They're not. Just more and more handouts and social programs, as evidenced by those weeks of viewing.
3. Just about everyone was onboard with the '3 weeks to slow the curve'.........I don't remember many arguing against it. But almost immediately, I and others argued that you could NOT expect all of the country to comply and once the hospitals were more up to speed/prepared against being overwhelmed........ what sense did it make to lock everyone away in their homes when the virus wasn't going anywhere? It'd still be there 6 months, 1 year, 5 years from that time.
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Post by Prometheus on May 5, 2021 6:28:30 GMT
1. Never really watched PBS once my interest waned in Big Bird and Mr. Rogers. Maybe I'd catch something interesting like Sagan or "I, Claudius" once in a while....
2. The numbers are the numbers... more below
3. I don't know why I have to keep saying this, but the severe lockdowns, business closings, etc. were all caused by skepticism. If the US had been early adopters of masks and distancing, most of the lockdowns and shutdowns wouldn't have happened. There might not have been a need for nearly $4 trillion in stimulus packages. If the Trump administration hadn't been so skeptical of anything and everything Obama had ever done, maybe the epidemic response team (or whatever they were called) could have helped form better policies in those early days of last year.
The fact that we're still talking about the epidemic nearly 18 months on is because some people were skeptical of the numbers and they still can't let go and do the right things. They care more about maintaining their "political virtue" than the lives of their fellow countrymen. I'm betting that Republican virtue signaling in the past 18 months has cost more lives than police brutality in a couple hundred years.
4. I've written many a piece on exactly that topic. We are stalling our own evolution... probably to the point of extinction.
1. Someone, maybe Porkpie?, recommended PBS to me as an unbiased news source......... I gave it a few weeks and just concluded some of us just view the world/news that differently. They're tax payer funded.......so how the F are they EVER gonna come out and support any truly small govt conservative ideas? They're not. Just more and more handouts and social programs, as evidenced by those weeks of viewing.
3. Just about everyone was onboard with the '3 weeks to slow the curve'.........I don't remember many arguing against it. But almost immediately, I and others argued that you could NOT expect all of the country to comply and once the hospitals were more up to speed/prepared against being overwhelmed........ what sense did it make to lock everyone away in their homes when the virus wasn't going anywhere? It'd still be there 6 months, 1 year, 5 years from that time.
4. The planet is probably looking forward to that. 1. Like I said... so I can't comment about any bias, but I'm all for the government funding educational TV
3. Then maybe Donnie shouldn't have undone Obama's epidemic response team. Then Hospitals would have been able to get up to speed quickly. You have to remember that Trump had info in his hands about the virus no later than January 6th and the first death in the US didn't happen until February 29th. That's just shy of 8 weeks! And I guarantee that if Trump had said to put on masks, most of his followers would have, if for nothing else, than to piss off "libs" who didn't think they would.
4. If it were smart, it would be.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 5, 2021 6:40:59 GMT
1. Like I said... so I can't comment about any bias, but I'm all for the government funding educational TV
3. Then maybe Donnie shouldn't have undone Obama's epidemic response team. Then Hospitals would have been able to get up to speed quickly. You have to remember that Trump had info in his hands about the virus no later than January 6th and the first death in the US didn't happen until February 29th. That's just shy of 8 weeks! And I guarantee that if Trump had said to put on masks, most of his followers would have, if for nothing else, than to piss off "libs" who didn't think they would.
4. If it were smart, it would be.
1. I was fine with it years ago............but now I see it as nothing BUT a massive waste of money. What HASN'T Sesame Street covered for toddler education after all these years?
3. Maybe Trump should have ordered via EO an immediate ban of all Chinese products and people from entering the US back in January of 2017? Hindsight is 20/20 Would Trump's haters have followed his advice? Or would they have done pretty much the same thing they've always done and accuse others of? The opposite. I'm sure you've seen how they're trying to connect Trump to all of these blacks attacking Asians.........cuz those are his proud boy followers? the dupes who fell for Russian disinformation?
4. There's a very dark and twisted part in most of us that kinda likes watching karma work it's way around to the most deserving
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Post by Prometheus on May 5, 2021 7:19:31 GMT
1. Like I said... so I can't comment about any bias, but I'm all for the government funding educational TV
3. Then maybe Donnie shouldn't have undone Obama's epidemic response team. Then Hospitals would have been able to get up to speed quickly. You have to remember that Trump had info in his hands about the virus no later than January 6th and the first death in the US didn't happen until February 29th. That's just shy of 8 weeks! And I guarantee that if Trump had said to put on masks, most of his followers would have, if for nothing else, than to piss off "libs" who didn't think they would.
4. If it were smart, it would be.
1. I was fine with it years ago............but now I see it as nothing BUT a massive waste of money. What HASN'T Sesame Street covered for toddler education after all these years?
3. Maybe Trump should have ordered via EO an immediate ban of all Chinese products and people from entering the US back in January of 2017? Hindsight is 20/20 Would Trump's haters have followed his advice? Or would they have done pretty much the same thing they've always done and accuse others of? The opposite. I'm sure you've seen how they're trying to connect Trump to all of these blacks attacking Asians.........cuz those are his proud boy followers? the dupes who fell for Russian disinformation?
4. There's a very dark and twisted part in most of us that kinda likes watching karma work it's way around to the most deserving
1. I don't know. I don't watch Sesame Street anymore.
3. So... you realize your argument failed and decided to try something new and even more idiotic?
4. I don't think it's dark and twisted at all... I'm sure that I have some sort of "disorder" for saying that. Hopefully the quoted word clears up what I was saying in the other thread.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 5, 2021 7:25:19 GMT
1. I don't know. I don't watch Sesame Street anymore.
3. So... you realize your argument failed and decided to try something new and even more idiotic?
4. I don't think it's dark and twisted at all... I'm sure that I have some sort of "disorder" for saying that. Hopefully the quoted word clears up what I was saying in the other thread.
1. Transgender puppets with sex organs attached/detached with velcro?
3. Any more idiotic than Biden & Co's inconsistent policies? It's almost like Fauci is running the new flip-flopping Administration.
4. Eventually many disorders end up being actual medical conditions/excuses. So just give it time.  |
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Post by abbey1227 on May 6, 2021 0:19:53 GMT
And I guarantee that if Trump had said to put on masks, most of his followers would have, if for nothing else, than to piss off "libs" who didn't think they would.
Oct 07, 2020 · Kamala Harris on a vaccine: “If Donald Trump says we should take it, I’m not taking it”.
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Post by Prometheus on May 6, 2021 1:56:01 GMT
1. I don't know. I don't watch Sesame Street anymore.
3. So... you realize your argument failed and decided to try something new and even more idiotic?
4. I don't think it's dark and twisted at all... I'm sure that I have some sort of "disorder" for saying that. Hopefully the quoted word clears up what I was saying in the other thread.
1. Transgender puppets with sex organs attached/detached with velcro?
3. Any more idiotic than Biden & Co's inconsistent policies? It's almost like Fauci is running the new flip-flopping Administration.
4. Eventually many disorders end up being actual medical conditions/excuses. So just give it time. 1. Is that really a thing?
2. I don't speak for Biden, Faucci, or anyone but me
3. That's kinda what I'm saying. Many "disorders" are called such based on the prevailing cultural winds.
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Post by Prometheus on May 6, 2021 2:03:08 GMT
And I guarantee that if Trump had said to put on masks, most of his followers would have, if for nothing else, than to piss off "libs" who didn't think they would.
Oct 07, 2020 · Kamala Harris on a vaccine: “If Donald Trump says we should take it, I’m not taking it”.
“If the public health professionals, if Dr. [Anthony] Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely,” Harris said during the live debate in Salt Lake City, when she was asked if Americans should take a vaccine, if the Trump administration were to approve one either before or after the election. “But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it. I’m not taking it.”
And based on Donnie's track record up to that time, do you blame her?
"In 15 days it's going to be zero cases!"
"It's going to be gone by April!"
"Just stand in the sun."
"Hydrochloroquine!"
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Like I said, he needed to be an early adopter of telling people to follow the rules. Stick with the timeline. Don't go jumping around in hopes that you'll come up with a "gotcha."
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Post by abbey1227 on May 6, 2021 2:08:31 GMT
“If the public health professionals, if Dr. [Anthony] Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely,” Harris said during the live debate in Salt Lake City, when she was asked if Americans should take a vaccine, if the Trump administration were to approve one either before or after the election. “But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it. I’m not taking it.”
And based on Donnie's track record up to that time, do you blame her?
"In 15 days it's going to be zero cases!"
"It's going to be gone by April!"
"Just stand in the sun."
"Hydrochloroquine!"
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Like I said, he needed to be an early adopter of telling people to follow the rules. Stick with the timeline. Don't go jumping around in hopes that you'll come up with a "gotcha."
it's not a 'gotcha'.......... it's a perfect example rebutting your contention that if only Trump had done or said something earlier, then the whole country would have united and the covid lockdowns would be over by now.
That's clearly not the case.
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Post by Prometheus on May 6, 2021 4:17:10 GMT
“If the public health professionals, if Dr. [Anthony] Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely,” Harris said during the live debate in Salt Lake City, when she was asked if Americans should take a vaccine, if the Trump administration were to approve one either before or after the election. “But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it. I’m not taking it.”
And based on Donnie's track record up to that time, do you blame her?
"In 15 days it's going to be zero cases!"
"It's going to be gone by April!"
"Just stand in the sun."
"Hydrochloroquine!"
...
Like I said, he needed to be an early adopter of telling people to follow the rules. Stick with the timeline. Don't go jumping around in hopes that you'll come up with a "gotcha."
it's not a 'gotcha'.......... it's a perfect example rebutting your contention that if only Trump had done or said something earlier, then the whole country would have united and the covid lockdowns would be over by now.
That's clearly not the case. You're offering a quote from October to rebut something from January? It doesn't follow.
Harris was making her statement after 9 months of lies and misinformation. You're blaming the townspeople for the actions of the little boy who cried wolf.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 6, 2021 13:58:12 GMT
You're offering a quote from October to rebut something from January? It doesn't follow.
Harris was making her statement after 9 months of lies and misinformation. You're blaming the townspeople for the actions of the little boy who cried wolf.
it's not like Trump invented or cooked up the batches of vaccine. Yet she still insisted she wouldn't take it?
It's an example of what both sides have been doing for years.......... out of spite and political division.
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Post by Prometheus on May 7, 2021 4:19:28 GMT
You're offering a quote from October to rebut something from January? It doesn't follow.
Harris was making her statement after 9 months of lies and misinformation. You're blaming the townspeople for the actions of the little boy who cried wolf.
it's not like Trump invented or cooked up the batches of vaccine. Yet she still insisted she wouldn't take it?
It's an example of what both sides have been doing for years.......... out of spite and political division.
Read the full quote that I posted again
Think critically.
Don't theorize with criticism.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 7, 2021 13:48:06 GMT
it's not like Trump invented or cooked up the batches of vaccine. Yet she still insisted she wouldn't take it?
It's an example of what both sides have been doing for years.......... out of spite and political division.
Read the full quote that I posted again
Think critically.
Don't theorize with criticism.
I'm having difficulty appreciating public television after all these years..........and those views came into being long before Trump ever came along and started crying wolf.
This is yet another thing the media and others keep insisting is so important to pay attention to....... like they insisted his mental faculties were slipping while in office. And yet NOW none of them are even bringing up the subject while Biden stumbles and mumbles thru the very few public events he's attended?
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Post by Prometheus on May 7, 2021 15:01:47 GMT
Read the full quote that I posted again
Think critically.
Don't theorize with criticism.
I'm having difficulty appreciating public television after all these years..........and those views came into being long before Trump ever came along and started crying wolf.
This is yet another thing the media and others keep insisting is so important to pay attention to....... like they insisted his mental faculties were slipping while in office. And yet NOW none of them are even bringing up the subject while Biden stumbles and mumbles thru the very few public events he's attended?
"Herpaderp herpaderp ahilk"
I'm sorry. That translation was rude. Let's try again:
"Waaaaaah! Biden had to think for 2 seconds before answering 4 to the question, 'what is 2+2?' but Trump answered 7 with such confidence! Waaaah!"
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 14:48:56 GMT
hey, people with their vaccine cards!
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