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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 24, 2021 13:17:11 GMT
This is getting beyond ridiculous............
Associated Press
Deputy who shot Black man appears to mistake phone for gun
Sat, April 24, 2021, 12:30 AM
SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY, Va. (AP) — Body camera footage and 911 audio released late Friday appeared to show that a Virginia deputy mistook a cordless house phone held by a Black man for a gun before the deputy shot him repeatedly.
Family members said Isaiah Brown, 32, was in intensive care with 10 bullet wounds following the shooting outside a home in Spotsylvania County early Wednesday, WRC-TV reported.
“It is evident that the tragic shooting of Isaiah Brown was completely avoidable,” Brown’s attorney David Haynes said in a statement Friday.
The body camera video shows the deputy arriving at the scene and yelling at Brown to show his hands. The deputy then yells, “drop the gun,” multiple times and appears to say over his radio, “he’s got a gun to his head.” The deputy then yells, “stop walking towards me, stop walking towards me” and “stop, stop” before firing at least seven shots.
The 911 audio shows Brown was on the phone with a dispatcher at the time the deputy arrived. The dispatcher is heard telling Brown to “hold your hands up” as the sirens draw near.
“The deputy in question made multiple, basic policing errors and violated established protocols. The deputy was situated nearly 50 feet from Isaiah, was never threatened and should not have discharged his weapon,” Haynes said.
The release of the recordings come after family members and the ACLU of Virginia demanded they be made public.
Sheriff Roger L. Harris said in the video that accompanied the release that a special prosecutor had been appointed to the case and advised that the recordings be released.
Harris said the deputy, who has not been identified, has been placed on administrative leave and Virginia State Police is handling the investigation.
Brown’s family told WRC-TV the same deputy had given Brown a ride home from a gas station after his car broke down. Tazmon Brown told the station that when they arrived, the deputy assured him that his brother was in no trouble, and had just needed a ride.
At some point later, 911 was called. Isaiah Brown is heard on the call saying his brother won’t let him into his mother's room in the house, and he can’t get into his car. The dispatcher tells Brown that his car is broken down and has been towed.
Brown then says, “alright, give me the gun” to which his brother is heard in the background saying, “no.” The dispatcher asks what’s going on, and Brown replied “I’m about to kill my brother.”
The dispatcher says “don’t kill your brother,” and asks Brown multiple times if he’s armed. He says no.
Brown then told the dispatcher he was walking down the road. The dispatcher asks, “How are you walking down the road with the house phone?” Brown replied, “Because I can.”
The deputy arrived shortly after and can be heard yelling at Brown on the 911 audio. After the shots are fired, the deputy is heard rendering aid to Brown and instructing the brother to get a first aid kit out of his patrol vehicle.
It’s unclear whether the deputy knew Brown told the dispatcher he wasn’t armed or knew Brown was walking down the street with a cordless house phone. Haynes, Brown’s attorney, said the family is also requesting dispatch audio leading up to the shooting be released.
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 25, 2021 16:22:26 GMT
It sounds like a bad shoot and your subject line is idiotic.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 25, 2021 20:51:48 GMT
It sounds like a bad shoot and your subject line is idiotic.
It sounds like a bad call to 911
Your opinion of my title selection is noted  |
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 26, 2021 2:28:41 GMT
It sounds like a bad shoot and your subject line is idiotic.
It sounds like a bad call to 911
Your opinion of my title selection is noted 911 dispatchers have an outrageously difficult and stressful job, but you could "defund" them by creating 3 separate lines:
911 for the police
912 for the fire department
913 for medical emergencies
or something like that. That way the person who answers the call has less telephone traffic to deal with, can focus on more clearly on the issue at hand, and will hopefully have more focused training.
Maybe your title wasn't so idiotic after all....
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 26, 2021 6:46:45 GMT
911 dispatchers have an outrageously difficult and stressful job, but you could "defund" them by creating 3 separate lines:
911 for the police
912 for the fire department
913 for medical emergencies
or something like that. That way the person who answers the call has less telephone traffic to deal with, can focus on more clearly on the issue at hand, and will hopefully have more focused training.
Maybe your title wasn't so idiotic after all....
hmmmmm........ I may have already heard that a time or two before you mentioned it.  |
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 27, 2021 0:47:49 GMT
911 dispatchers have an outrageously difficult and stressful job, but you could "defund" them by creating 3 separate lines:
911 for the police
912 for the fire department
913 for medical emergencies
or something like that. That way the person who answers the call has less telephone traffic to deal with, can focus on more clearly on the issue at hand, and will hopefully have more focused training.
Maybe your title wasn't so idiotic after all....
hmmmmm........ I may have already heard that a time or two before you mentioned it. I'm sure you have. Do you think Mrs. Unpronounceable Italian Name would prefer to be "defunded" to only working "medical" or "police"? |
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 27, 2021 2:35:18 GMT
hmmmmm........ I may have already heard that a time or two before you mentioned it. I'm sure you have. Do you think Mrs. Unpronounceable Italian Name would prefer to be "defunded" to only working "medical" or "police"?
I think she'd be fine with being given just one task.
As it is she has to work multiple areas....... of which, newer hires are no longer required to learn because they're dumbing down the job to meet the applicants these days.
If the local papers/news were interested in telling factual and interesting stories, they should look into how many 'frequent flyers' are using up those resources on an all too regular basis.
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 27, 2021 7:32:54 GMT
I'm sure you have. Do you think Mrs. Unpronounceable Italian Name would prefer to be "defunded" to only working "medical" or "police"?
I think she'd be fine with being given just one task.
As it is she has to work multiple areas....... of which, newer hires are no longer required to learn because they're dumbing down the job to meet the applicants these days.
If the local papers/news were interested in telling factual and interesting stories, they should look into how many 'frequent flyers' are using up those resources on an all too regular basis.
Then my solution for "defunding 911" sounds like a good idea.
Now if only cops didn't have to chase down those vicious criminals who didn't license their bicycles....
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 27, 2021 7:40:22 GMT
Then my solution for "defunding 911" sounds like a good idea.
Now if only cops didn't have to chase down those vicious criminals who didn't license their bicycles....
There's still laws on the books regarding cigarette taxes and passing fake $20s.........so the Eric Garners and George Floyds of the world are still criminals according to the Govt.
I did have a chuckle today as someone posted on a GF meme that 'most people have criminal records today' .......REALLY? That's the go to defense now? Most do, so pointing a gun at a pregnant woman during a robbery is just a forgivable whoops now?
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 27, 2021 7:59:51 GMT
Then my solution for "defunding 911" sounds like a good idea.
Now if only cops didn't have to chase down those vicious criminals who didn't license their bicycles....
There's still laws on the books regarding cigarette taxes and passing fake $20s.........so the Eric Garners and George Floyds of the world are still criminals according to the Govt.
I did have a chuckle today as someone posted on a GF meme that 'most people have criminal records today' .......REALLY? That's the go to defense now? Most do, so pointing a gun at a pregnant woman during a robbery is just a forgivable whoops now?
There are a lot of laws on the books these days and far too many of them are time-wasters and often aimed at marginalizing very specific demographics.
That said, passing a fake 20 - knowingly or not - or selling "loosies," shouldn't have ended in guys dying before they got their day in court.
Yes, yes, yes, people should just do what the officer says, but choking a guy out or kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes isn't really fair play either.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 27, 2021 8:08:17 GMT
There are a lot of laws on the books these days and far too many of them are time-wasters and often aimed at marginalizing very specific demographics.
That said, passing a fake 20 - knowingly or not - or selling "loosies," shouldn't have ended in guys dying before they got their day in court.
Yes, yes, yes, people should just do what the officer says, but choking a guy out or kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes isn't really fair play either.
That also seems to be the go to argument lately
And I'd agree
.........BUT.......... the more criminal acts you engage in........combined with more aggressive overt acts like attempting to flee or resisting arrest increases the odds of a bad outcome all the more, No? And where does the fault with that lie?
I have yet to meet a single person that didn't agree Chauvin went to far and should have stopped kneeling once the handcuffs were on and Floyd was on the ground. But again all of those previous statements and actions by Floyd, not Chauvin, led to the end result.
My interest in in stopping or preventing another similar event in the future. I don't see the conviction and removal of Chauvin as the cure for this issue, do you?
It is nice that we can agree that less Govt/Laws is obviously a good start.
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 27, 2021 8:17:57 GMT
There are a lot of laws on the books these days and far too many of them are time-wasters and often aimed at marginalizing very specific demographics.
That said, passing a fake 20 - knowingly or not - or selling "loosies," shouldn't have ended in guys dying before they got their day in court.
Yes, yes, yes, people should just do what the officer says, but choking a guy out or kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes isn't really fair play either.
That also seems to be the go to argument lately
And I'd agree
.........BUT.......... the more criminal acts you engage in........combined with more aggressive overt acts like attempting to flee or resisting arrest increases the odds of a bad outcome all the more, No? And where does the fault with that lie?
I have yet to meet a single person that didn't agree Chauvin went to far and should have stopped kneeling once the handcuffs were on and Floyd was on the ground. But again all of those previous statements and actions by Floyd, not Chauvin, led to the end result.
My interest in in stopping or preventing another similar event in the future. I don't see the conviction and removal of Chauvin as the cure for this issue, do you?
It is nice that we can agree that less Govt/Laws is obviously a good start.
Chauvin killed a guy. I think his conviction is as necessary as giving Floyd his day in court.
"It is nice that we can agree that less Govt/Laws is obviously a good start."
And yet you're the guy who wants cops pulling over every Tom, Dick, and Harry for air-freshener violations because it might lead to something "bigger" one out of 50 times. ![[rolleye1]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/MTjbungPBOzv0BKQvdPJ.gif) |
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 27, 2021 8:38:04 GMT
Chauvin killed a guy. I think his conviction is as necessary as giving Floyd his day in court.
"It is nice that we can agree that less Govt/Laws is obviously a good start."
And yet you're the guy who wants cops pulling over every Tom, Dick, and Harry for air-freshener violations because it might lead to something "bigger" one out of 50 times.
No, I'm not. I'm the get rid of police departments entirely guy if they're regarded as a threat to the community it serves.
My observations on the methodology of police tactics is simply from lifelong observations, speaking with police and personal experiences.
\I'm looking forward to robotics/drones eliminating much of the threat to officers in the very near future........... but their Unions will probably fight against it.
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 27, 2021 8:53:18 GMT
Chauvin killed a guy. I think his conviction is as necessary as giving Floyd his day in court.
"It is nice that we can agree that less Govt/Laws is obviously a good start."
And yet you're the guy who wants cops pulling over every Tom, Dick, and Harry for air-freshener violations because it might lead to something "bigger" one out of 50 times.
No, I'm not. I'm the get rid of police departments entirely guy if they're regarded as a threat to the community it serves.
My observations on the methodology of police tactics is simply from lifelong observations, speaking with police and personal experiences.
\I'm looking forward to robotics/drones eliminating much of the threat to officers in the very near future........... but their Unions will probably fight against it.
How silly of me to lose track of which guy you were today.
Now I need to download Robocop....
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 27, 2021 8:58:42 GMT
How silly of me to lose track of which guy you were today.
Now I need to download Robocop....
I'd buy that for a $Dollar
Hey, which city is that film based around? And how accurate are many of the themes within the series? Is it a bit too Orwellian in nature?
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 27, 2021 9:13:34 GMT
How silly of me to lose track of which guy you were today.
Now I need to download Robocop....
I'd buy that for a $Dollar
Hey, which city is that film based around? And how accurate are many of the themes within the series? Is it a bit too Orwellian in nature?
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 27, 2021 9:16:12 GMT
I'd buy that for a $Dollar
Hey, which city is that film based around? And how accurate are many of the themes within the series? Is it a bit too Orwellian in nature?
I think it's Detroit and I never watched the series
Yep
But it could have just as easily been a few other cities I can think of.
You ain't missing anything.........even the recent remake can't hold a candle to the original
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 27, 2021 9:35:27 GMT
I think it's Detroit and I never watched the series
Yep
But it could have just as easily been a few other cities I can think of. ... Except New York.
NYC was already a prison by then....
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 27, 2021 9:36:26 GMT
Yep
But it could have just as easily been a few other cities I can think of. ... Except New York.
NYC was already a prison by then....
Call me 'Snake'?
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