6 BILLION illegal immigrants crossed the boarder in 2 years?

[Prometheus]

ca.news.yahoo.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-mocked-saying-221129262.html

Trump's Wall (TM) really sucks, doesn't it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a typo and she meant "million" not "billion" but it's still bullshit... unless you're willing to admit that Trump's Wall (TM) was a colossal waste of taxpayer money... and that the Border Patrol - many of whom have been on the job for waaaaay more than 2 years - are completely incompetent.

And why are those border ranchers and militia groups missing these 8,123 illegals crossing every day? Could it be that some are being offered jobs? Could it be that some are being forced into sexual slavery? I mean... these racists have already dehumanized the immigrants in their minds. Why is it so hard to conjecture that these "patriots" are actually scooping these folks up to use as slave (including sex) labor?

It's a much easier conjecture in my mind than to think that 8,123 immigrants are somehow slipping past physical barriers (Trump's and others') and a Border Patrol that is 21,000 strong. Of course they could even keep that Bieber kid out. Maybe they're afraid his wife's Uncle Alec will shoot them instead of aiming at the brown people?

So there you have it: even to allow for an MTG typo, we have to assume that neither Trump's Wall (TM) nor the US Border Patrol are doing their job and well enough to keep illegal immigrants crossing the border in numbers large enough to replace the population of Boston every 81 days or nearly the entire population of Massachusetts every 2.3 years.

I know a lot of you think that's exactly what's happening despite the numbers being so hilariously not in your favor. So I'll ask you, even if those numbers are factual, what is the solution? Is it a wall that can be scaled in less than a minute or cut into pieces in less than 5? Should we beef up the number of Border Patrol agents from 21,000 to... what? Where will you find the people. Considering some past indiscretions of BP agents, where will you find the RIGHT people? How much do the "right people" cost? Where will you get the funding? I'm sure you'll want to gut social services... as long as YOU aren't a recipient of any of them and plan on killing yourself should you ever be in need of them, but that seems like an uphill battle that could take years to win... or most likely lose, and in the meantime, how many illegal immigrants will have entered the country?

The best solution is so simple. It doesn't cost much. In fact it will end up making enough money to fund physical barriers along the border and hiring more BP agents: Arrest and imprison the people who employ illegals. Fine them up the wazoo, and maybe even use "civil forfeiture" for something other than fucking over minorities for a change.

Immigrants come here because "America is the land of opportunity." Reduce the opportunities for those coming here illegally and their numbers WILL drop. And don't get me wrong, this notion of "Sanctuary Cities" may sound noble and all, but that shit has to stop too. The only illegals we should keep (if no other options exist) are the unaccompanied children. Feel free to INDOCTRINATE them with "American Values" as you see fit, but the minute they commit a crime they can go be unaccompanied minors in somebody else' country. I know that sounds harsh but we're spending a lot of money to give them a better life. If they toss that away, I really have no problem with rending my clothes and disowning them. You shouldn't either as long as you libs admit that your virtue signaling is just that.

But what about the millions of adult illegals that are already here?

If you find an employer employing one illegal there are probably others. Round 'em up! How about we offer them "paths to citizenship" by having them be on the construction crews that build those physical barriers along the border? If they've been in country for over 2 years, put then in an ankle monitor and tell them they have 6 months to prepare for the citizenship test and save up to pay the naturalization fees. If they pass they become citizens and we can defer the naturalization fees for 2 years then just garnish a portion of their wages until it gets paid back. This shit ain't free. We don't want to send the wrong message after putting all those businessmen (and women) in jail to dissuade illegal border crossings.

If you have a problem with any of my suggestions, it's most likely that you're just a racist or that your defense of illegal immigrants is nothing more than you wanting to boost your social credit score.

Yes. Social Credit Score. It may not be ensconced in law like in China, but YOU are absolutely aware of how many "likes" and "retweets" you manage to score and you are super aware of who is seeing your pithy aphorism of the day. And let's face it, if you folks really cared about Climate Change (TM), Greta would have waaay more social media followers than the Kartrashians Almost a BILLION on IG alone... but she's got less than 15 million. I guess you libs would rather gush over a bunch of whores traveling in private jets than think about saving the planet from people flying in private jets.

Yes. It's all interconnected and who you follow and your obsession with who follows you tells the true story of who you are as a "person."

/Monday Morning Rant

[permutojoe]

The Wall was meant to get him votes, not actually fix anything. Sadly that's the playbook for all of Trump, DNC, and GOP establishment hacks. Maybe it's time to try Green or People's party.

[abbey1227]

Mar 3, 2023 2:35:11 GMT permutojoe said:

The Wall was meant to get him votes, not actually fix anything. Sadly that's the playbook for all of Trump, DNC, and GOP establishment hacks. Maybe it's time to try Green or People's party.

What's the Green approach to Illegals? Shoot them and turn them into compost?

[permutojoe]

Mar 3, 2023 12:54:11 GMT abbey1227 said:

Mar 3, 2023 2:35:11 GMT permutojoe said:

The Wall was meant to get him votes, not actually fix anything. Sadly that's the playbook for all of Trump, DNC, and GOP establishment hacks. Maybe it's time to try Green or People's party.

What's the Green approach to Illegals? Shoot them and turn them into compost?

I would hope prosecute the employers that are hiring them.  Which I can guarantee you the Republican Party would then twist that to say there's a war on corporations from the damn dirty commies.  Who would you support on that hypothetical?

[abbey1227]

Mar 4, 2023 22:14:00 GMT permutojoe said:

Mar 3, 2023 12:54:11 GMT abbey1227 said:

What's the Green approach to Illegals? Shoot them and turn them into compost?

I would hope prosecute the employers that are hiring them.  Which I can guarantee you the Republican Party would then twist that to say there's a war on corporations from the damn dirty commies.  Who would you support on that hypothetical?

I've argued with merh about that exact thing repeatedly.

I view it as the Govt's job to stop Illegals. They have moire than enough tools to do so with ease these days.......they just opt not to.

When my wife was somewhat of an Employer, there were limitations placed on Employers regarding interviews and questions to be asked. All one had to do was provide very basic information, then they were eligible to work.

When a 'red flag' would pop up........the Govt? They'd send a letter asking for more details........which would simply mean that Employee knew the gig was up, they'd quit and go find work elsewhere with newer ID

[permutojoe]

Mar 5, 2023 14:20:26 GMT abbey1227 said:

Mar 4, 2023 22:14:00 GMT permutojoe said:

I would hope prosecute the employers that are hiring them.  Which I can guarantee you the Republican Party would then twist that to say there's a war on corporations from the damn dirty commies.  Who would you support on that hypothetical?

I've argued with merh about that exact thing repeatedly.

I view it as the Govt's job to stop Illegals. They have moire than enough tools to do so with ease these days.......they just opt not to.

When my wife was somewhat of an Employer, there were limitations placed on Employers regarding interviews and questions to be asked. All one had to do was provide very basic information, then they were eligible to work.

When a 'red flag' would pop up........the Govt? They'd send a letter asking for more details........which would simply mean that Employee knew the gig was up, they'd quit and go find work elsewhere with newer ID

Are you saying she wasn't allowed to ask if the applicant was a citizen of the US or that she was not allowed to ask for proof?  In any case, government could certainly change these laws.

[abbey1227]

Mar 12, 2023 14:59:07 GMT permutojoe said:

Mar 5, 2023 14:20:26 GMT abbey1227 said:

I've argued with merh about that exact thing repeatedly.

I view it as the Govt's job to stop Illegals. They have moire than enough tools to do so with ease these days.......they just opt not to.

When my wife was somewhat of an Employer, there were limitations placed on Employers regarding interviews and questions to be asked. All one had to do was provide very basic information, then they were eligible to work.

When a 'red flag' would pop up........the Govt? They'd send a letter asking for more details........which would simply mean that Employee knew the gig was up, they'd quit and go find work elsewhere with newer ID

Are you saying she wasn't allowed to ask if the applicant was a citizen of the US or that she was not allowed to ask for proof?  In any case, government could certainly change these laws.

NOT allowed.   How F'd up is that?

bestlifeonline.com/illegal-interview-questions/

15 Interview Questions Employers Legally Aren't Allowed to Ask
These are the interview questions that are off the table.
By Ashley Moor       February 11, 2019

It's highly likely that, over the course of your career, you've had a few truly terrible job interviews. Whether the interviewer made you feel uncomfortable by crossing a line or had some malicious intent with their far-reaching inquiries, there comes a point when you decide you wouldn't take the job no matter what they offered you.

Fortunately, there are laws in place to prevent that from happening (or at least try to prevent that from happening). To ensure you're treated fairly, we've uncovered the interview questions that are completely off-limits during a job interview.

1  "Are you a U.S. citizen?"


2  "How old are you?"

3   "Do you have any disabilities or medical conditions?"

4   "Have you ever been an alcoholic or addicted to drugs?"

5   "What is your religion?"


6   "Have you ever been arrested?"

7   "What is your native language?"

8   "Are you married?"


9   "Are you planning to have children soon?"

10   "Where is your spouse employed?"

11   "What sorority were you in in college?"

12   "How often are you deployed for Army Reserve training?"

13   "Do you own your own home or rent?"

14   "Do you have a bank account?"

15   "How much do you weigh?"

[permutojoe]

"What sorority were you in in college?"

That one could have serious threesome implications for an employer on the prowl who likes to plan ahead.

[merh]

Mar 13, 2023 8:48:39 GMT abbey1227 said:

Mar 12, 2023 14:59:07 GMT permutojoe said:

Are you saying she wasn't allowed to ask if the applicant was a citizen of the US or that she was not allowed to ask for proof?  In any case, government could certainly change these laws.

NOT allowed.   How F'd up is that?

bestlifeonline.com/illegal-interview-questions/

15 Interview Questions Employers Legally Aren't Allowed to Ask
These are the interview questions that are off the table.
By Ashley Moor       February 11, 2019

It's highly likely that, over the course of your career, you've had a few truly terrible job interviews. Whether the interviewer made you feel uncomfortable by crossing a line or had some malicious intent with their far-reaching inquiries, there comes a point when you decide you wouldn't take the job no matter what they offered you.

Fortunately, there are laws in place to prevent that from happening (or at least try to prevent that from happening). To ensure you're treated fairly, we've uncovered the interview questions that are completely off-limits during a job interview.

1  "Are you a U.S. citizen?"


2  "How old are you?"

3   "Do you have any disabilities or medical conditions?"

4   "Have you ever been an alcoholic or addicted to drugs?"

5   "What is your religion?"


6   "Have you ever been arrested?"

7   "What is your native language?"

8   "Are you married?"


9   "Are you planning to have children soon?"

10   "Where is your spouse employed?"

11   "What sorority were you in in college?"

12   "How often are you deployed for Army Reserve training?"

13   "Do you own your own home or rent?"

14   "Do you have a bank account?"

15   "How much do you weigh?"

Can I Ask an Employee If They Are a U.S. Citizen?
Ask about citizenship
You have an open position at your company, and while going through resumes, you notice a candidate who seems perfect for the job. The only issue is that all their previous work experience is from foreign companies. Still, you call to set up an interview and notice that they speak with an accent.

So, can you ask a potential employee if they are a U.S. citizen? Do they have a work visa? Are they authorized to work in the U.S.? You can ask these questions. But, ask carefully!

On the one hand, the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) of 1952 prohibits employers from discriminating against people based on their real or perceived citizenship or immigration status. However, on the other hand, the Federal Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986 requires you as an employer to verify that all your workers are eligible to work in the U.S.

Understandably, this can lead to confusion. Many employers often have questions regarding whether they can inquire about citizenship status when making hiring decisions and whether the applicant’s status should impact their hiring decisions. The question you should be asking is: “How can I strike this balance?”

Let’s go through what you need to know.

When You Can Ask
The Immigration Reform and Control Act requires you to verify your employees’ eligibility status, even those you know to be U.S. citizens. However, the same Act prohibits you from asking people to prove their citizenship or work status before offering them employment.

What this means is that you can only verify a person’s eligibility status after you’ve made the decision to hire them.

However, you can inform potential candidates that you plan on verifying their authorization status upon selection. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) recommends adding the following statement on employment applications to ensure compliance.

Keep in mind that your employment application forms should not garner a response that would indicate an applicant’s nation of origin or employment authorization status. Although you’re not explicitly forbidden from asking such questions, they could be used as evidence of intent to discriminate.

Ask, But Ask Carefully
But, there’s a way to determine work authorization beforehand. You have to ask each applicant the same question in the same way. To avoid bias, it’s best to ask this question prior to the interview. Remember to mind your language. Any hint of bias could make you liable to discrimination charges and investigations by the Department of Justice’s Office of Special Council (OSC).

Note: The question must be phrased solely to determine a candidate’s ability to work legally in the U.S. It bears repeating – you should not ask about the candidate’s immigration status or citizenship.

Here’s one way you can phrase this question.

Are you legally authorized to work in the United States for ________ company? Yes or No

Or

Do you now, or will you, later on, require sponsorship for employment visa status to legally work for our company in the United States? Yes or No

Note: If hired, Employment Eligibility Verification will be carried out upon selection.

Such questions are permissible because they are designed to determine potential hires’ eligibility status or whether you would have to sponsor the applicant for which you are under no legal obligation to do so. The INA’s anti-discrimination policies prohibit discrimination against certain “protected individuals,” including:

U.S. Citizens and nationals
Lawful permanent residents
Refugees
Asylees
You’ll notice that the protection does not extend to temporary visa workers. As a result, the decision not to hire someone based on their need for visa sponsorship is not actionable under the INA’s anti-discrimination provisions. Then again, this is tantamount to wading through murky waters because you would have to prove that this was the sole reason you couldn’t hire that particular individual. And you cannot refuse to hire someone because their visa will expire in the future.

Also, you must ask every applicant the same questions to ensure you treat everyone fairly and equally.

Employment Authorization Status
As an employer, it’s your responsibility to maintain a legal workforce. By law, you are required to verify the identity and employment eligibility of all your employees. From the minute you bring a new hire on board, you have three days to fill out Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification. Always ensure you use the latest form as the I-9 is periodically updated by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

On the form, an employee must attest to their employment authorization and provide proof of the same. You’re required to examine the employment eligibility and identity documents and determine whether they remain reasonably genuine. But, you cannot ask for documents not listed in the I-9 list of eligible documents. Asking for further proof can be used to indicate intent to discriminate.

The law bars employers from rejecting valid documents, and the onus is on the employee to choose which of the permitted documents they produce as proof for verification. As long as the document looks reasonably legit, you should accept it.

So, what happens when a prospective hire doesn’t have work authorization? If you want to, and depending on the employee’s qualifications, requirements of the job, and the amount of time you’re willing to expend, you may be able to help them get the necessary authorization.

Again, you’re under no legal obligation to do so, but it’s possible to sponsor a prospective employee for lawful permanent residence (a green card). Alternatively, you can help them get a non-immigrant work visa covering a broad range of roles, from seasonal laborers to specialized knowledge workers.

In Conclusion
It’s illegal to discriminate against a potential hire or employee based on national origin, citizenship, or immigration status. Although it’s your duty as an employer to use the I-9 to verify a person’s work eligibility, you must be careful not to invade their right to privacy.

You must understand that it’s never appropriate to ask about citizenship. You can only ask about work eligibility, and even then, you must exercise caution so as to stay compliant and avoid legal repercussions down the line.

Are you looking to advance your IT career? nexus IT group can help. Contact us today to learn more.

nexusitgroup.com/blog/can-i-ask-an-employee-if-they-are-a-u-s-citizen

So you can ask
I was asked if I was eligible to work in the US when I transferred to Probation in 1995 & had to provide my birth certificate.

[abbey1227]

Mar 14, 2023 21:59:38 GMT merh said:

You must understand that it’s never appropriate to ask about citizenship. You can only ask about work eligibility, and even then, you must exercise caution so as to stay compliant and avoid legal repercussions down the line.

Are you looking to advance your IT career? nexus IT group can help. Contact us today to learn more.

nexusitgroup.com/blog/can-i-ask-an-employee-if-they-are-a-u-s-citizen

So you can ask
I was asked if I was eligible to work in the US when I transferred to Probation in 1995 & had to provide my birth certificate.

So.........in these times...........you figure a lot of people are bothering to ask? risking being sued?

But even if they did ask..........the person says 'Yes' and that's that. They could be lying.

And as long as they have the asked for documentation, that's the end of the discussion...........unless/until the Govt spots an issue and asks for more details.

[hairynosedwombat]

Feb 26, 2023 23:22:23 GMT Prometheus said:

ca.news.yahoo.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-mocked-saying-221129262.html

Trump's Wall (TM) really sucks, doesn't it?

Yes. It's all interconnected and who you follow and your obsession with who follows you tells the true story of who you are as a "person."

/Monday Morning Rant

Immigrants come here because "America is the land of opportunity." Reduce the opportunities for those coming here illegally and their numbers WILL drop.

Migrants go to America because people smugglers promulgate the publicity about how wonderful it is in America and how easy it is to get there.

Republicans ecstatically promoted the idea that Biden would open the border to all, so thousands of people with money were happy to pay for a bus trip to paradise.

It doesn't help that America has a difficult-to-police land border and no friends to help stop the waves of migrants



Of course the land of milk and honey is there with wealthy Americans happy to have cheap domestic servants and farm labourers to keep food prices down.



If the US had a functioning governmental system which allowed policies to resolve the immigrant problems in more than a 2 year window every 20 years you could ameliorate it the way some other countries have.



Nobody has yet pointe out that 30 years ago the global warming alarmists predicted mass disruption and mas movements of populations within 30-40 years if nothing effective was done about climate change. Can somebody with a calculator tell me when that prediction made around 1990 for 30 - 50 years time will come to pass?

[spitfire926f]

While Americans cry about racism and privilege on the internet, stuffing their faces with Doritos While Netflix is on in the background, we have actual fucking slavery going right under our noses. Harris doesn't go to the border because I don't think she could find her ass if you drew her a map. The border IS a problem, and it's not because of "white genocide" or whatever fairytale the MAGA set tell themselves to justify their neckbeards. It's because of bullshit like this.

www.ajc.com/news/this-has-been-happening-for-a-long-time-modern-day-slavery-uncovered-in-ga/SHBHTDDTTBG3BCPSVCB3GQ66BQ/

Victims include over one hundred laborers smuggled from Mexico and Central America into “brutal” and “inhumane” working conditions. Under the threat of gun violence, some were allegedly forced to dig for onions with their bare hands, earning only 20 cents for each bucket harvested. At least two people died on the job. Another was allegedly repeatedly raped.

These are the Americans that were running the slavery operation.

[gardengirl1953]

Apr 3, 2023 14:00:18 GMT spitfire926f said:

While Americans cry about racism and privilege on the internet, stuffing their faces with Doritos While Netflix is on in the background, we have actual fucking slavery going right under our noses. Harris doesn't go to the border because I don't think she could find her ass if you drew her a map. The border IS a problem, and it's not because of "white genocide" or whatever fairytale the MAGA set tell themselves to justify their neckbeards. It's because of bullshit like this.

www.ajc.com/news/this-has-been-happening-for-a-long-time-modern-day-slavery-uncovered-in-ga/SHBHTDDTTBG3BCPSVCB3GQ66BQ/

Victims include over one hundred laborers smuggled from Mexico and Central America into “brutal” and “inhumane” working conditions. Under the threat of gun violence, some were allegedly forced to dig for onions with their bare hands, earning only 20 cents for each bucket harvested. At least two people died on the job. Another was allegedly repeatedly raped.

These are the Americans that were running the slavery operation.

After reading this entire thread, I am pleased to see actual discussion, back and forth, with links provided and no ad hominems; so much better than the other board. If we can get more decent posters over here, Politicidal for one, this politics board might end up being a place for actual communication.  Fingers crossed...

[abbey1227]

Apr 3, 2023 14:00:18 GMT spitfire926f said:

While Americans cry about racism and privilege on the internet, stuffing their faces with Doritos While Netflix is on in the background, we have actual fucking slavery going right under our noses. Harris doesn't go to the border because I don't think she could find her ass if you drew her a map. The border IS a problem, and it's not because of "white genocide" or whatever fairytale the MAGA set tell themselves to justify their neckbeards. It's because of bullshit like this.

www.ajc.com/news/this-has-been-happening-for-a-long-time-modern-day-slavery-uncovered-in-ga/SHBHTDDTTBG3BCPSVCB3GQ66BQ/

Victims include over one hundred laborers smuggled from Mexico and Central America into “brutal” and “inhumane” working conditions. Under the threat of gun violence, some were allegedly forced to dig for onions with their bare hands, earning only 20 cents for each bucket harvested. At least two people died on the job. Another was allegedly repeatedly raped.

These are the Americans that were running the slavery operation.

I'm all for these Govt sanctioned slavery operations. Why not? As long as the Establishment gets it's way......it is as it should be.