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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 21, 2021 2:16:21 GMT
.......but not the laws?
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Video shows New Jersey police handcuffing a Black teen and seizing his bike over not having a bicycle license
Kelly McLaughlin Tue, April 20, 2021, 2:56 PM
Police in Perth Amboy, New Jersey, stopped a group of teens riding their bikes, video shows.
One of the teens was seen in the video being handcuffed as cops seized his bike.
Police said the teens needed licenses to ride their bikes in the streets.
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New Jersey police handcuffed a Black teen and seized his bicycle after officers said he and a group of friends were riding without proper licenses, a video taken by one of the boys shows.
A 17-minute-long video posted to YouTube shows the group riding through the streets of Perth Amboy, a suburb just west of Staten Island. The group pops wheelies and rides against traffic during the video.
As the group splits up, one of the teens is stopped by a police officer, who warns the group they were interfering with traffic and asked the teens not to ride without a license. The officer is heard on video saying their bikes wouldn't be confiscated.
But after a cut in the video, footage shows the situation between police officers and the teens escalated, and one officer can be seen ordering other cops to confiscate the bikes.
One of the teens refused to give officers his bike and was put in handcuffs, the video shows. He was taken into custody, but he was later released. It is unclear if any charges were filed.
The Perth Amboy Police Department did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.
Perth Amboy requires license tags for all cyclists riding in streets or on highways, according to a city ordinance, and riding bikes on certain sidewalks is not allowed, NJ.com reported.
All four bikes were eventually returned to the teens, according to NJ.com, though it's unclear if any of the teens were fined.
Perth Amboy Council President William A. Petrick said in a statement to NJ.com that the officer who ordered others to confiscate the bikes "did the right thing."
"What happens is they do create a dangerous situation that could end up with one of them getting injured or killed, and then it's not their fault, it's the operator of a motor vehicle's fault," he said.
He added that the optics of putting a Black teen in handcuffs are "very bad."
"But he was not being very cooperative with the police, and why they decided to take him into protective custody, it may have been the stance he was taking with them," he told NJ.com.
Amol Sinha, the executive director of the ACLU New Jersey, meanwhile, voiced outrage over the video.
"Are the police really arresting kids over bike registrations? Does it really require this many officers to address whatever situation this is? Police CANNOT continue to be our response to EVERYTHING," Sinha said on Twitter.
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 21, 2021 2:44:08 GMT
"Are the police really arresting kids over bike registrations? Does it really require this many officers to address whatever situation this is? Police CANNOT continue to be our response to EVERYTHING," Sinha said on Twitter.
There's a lot of wasted tax-payer money in that video....
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 21, 2021 2:51:16 GMT
"Are the police really arresting kids over bike registrations? Does it really require this many officers to address whatever situation this is? Police CANNOT continue to be our response to EVERYTHING," Sinha said on Twitter. There's a lot of wasted tax-payer money in that video....
Those laws were put into place to protect everyone, right?
I rarely wear a helmet while motorcycling, by the way
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 21, 2021 2:59:38 GMT
"Are the police really arresting kids over bike registrations? Does it really require this many officers to address whatever situation this is? Police CANNOT continue to be our response to EVERYTHING," Sinha said on Twitter. There's a lot of wasted tax-payer money in that video....
Those laws were put into place to protect everyone, right?
I rarely wear a helmet while motorcycling, by the way
1. So you either repeal the laws or get someone else to deal with the violators so that all those cops can get out there to catch thieves, rapists, and murderers.
2. That doesn't surprise me in the least. But I'll bet you wear your seat belt so that you don't get 15 minutes of YOUR time wasted by a cop who spends as much time peaking through your windows as he does writing the citation. Oh wait. You're white. He doesn't bother peaking in your windows and just gives you a warning.
No flinching required.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 21, 2021 3:15:53 GMT
1. So you either repeal the laws or get someone else to deal with the violators so that all those cops can get out there to catch thieves, rapists, and murderers.
2. That doesn't surprise me in the least. But I'll bet you wear your seat belt so that you don't get 15 minutes of YOUR time wasted by a cop who spends as much time peaking through your windows as he does writing the citation. Oh wait. You're white. He doesn't bother peaking in your windows and just gives you a warning.
No flinching required.
HA!
With my work history, usually involving driving at night and always pressed for time........ I've likely been pulled over more times than most.
It took just plain accepting that this is what they do......... profile for vehicles out at night.....hoping to discover much more serious issues going on.
I've rarely resisted...........and never made a run for it.
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 21, 2021 11:05:05 GMT
1. So you either repeal the laws or get someone else to deal with the violators so that all those cops can get out there to catch thieves, rapists, and murderers.
2. That doesn't surprise me in the least. But I'll bet you wear your seat belt so that you don't get 15 minutes of YOUR time wasted by a cop who spends as much time peaking through your windows as he does writing the citation. Oh wait. You're white. He doesn't bother peaking in your windows and just gives you a warning.
No flinching required.
HA!
With my work history, usually involving driving at night and always pressed for time........ I've likely been pulled over more times than most.
It took just plain accepting that this is what they do......... profile for vehicles out at night.....hoping to discover much more serious issues going on.
I've rarely resisted...........and never made a run for it.
The sign on your car identifying you as the pizza delivery guy should give you a pass for going 5 over. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 21, 2021 11:59:53 GMT
The sign on your car identifying you as the pizza delivery guy should give you a pass for going 5 over.
you would think
but pulling into 3-5 driveways on a single block, tossing papers and then proceeding to the next block didn't stop the cop from hitting the lights and asking what I was doing..........so
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 22, 2021 1:24:27 GMT
The sign on your car identifying you as the pizza delivery guy should give you a pass for going 5 over.
you would think
but pulling into 3-5 driveways on a single block, tossing papers and then proceeding to the next block didn't stop the cop from hitting the lights and asking what I was doing..........so
So you see the point about wasting time on bullshit stops, right?
Or are you going to say that newspaper delivery is an excellent cover for drug delivery?
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 22, 2021 1:34:41 GMT
you would think
but pulling into 3-5 driveways on a single block, tossing papers and then proceeding to the next block didn't stop the cop from hitting the lights and asking what I was doing..........so
So you see the point about wasting time on bullshit stops, right?
Or are you going to say that newspaper delivery is an excellent cover for drug delivery?
So is pizza delivery and Uber. 
All I'm saying is that policy seems to produce results, otherwise they'd have likely abandoned it years ago. Criminals tend to advertise ......... so it's not like it's all that tough to detect them.
by the by........ nobody is saying this?...........
or this?
Rashida Tlaib
@rashidatlaib
It wasn't an accident. Policing in our country is inherently & intentionally racist.
Daunte Wright was met with aggression & violence. I am done with those who condone government funded murder.
No more policing, incarceration, and militarization. It can't be reformed.
6:05 PM · Apr 12, 2021
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 22, 2021 1:53:11 GMT
So you see the point about wasting time on bullshit stops, right?
Or are you going to say that newspaper delivery is an excellent cover for drug delivery?
So is pizza delivery and Uber.
All I'm saying is that policy seems to produce results, otherwise they'd have likely abandoned it years ago. Criminals tend to advertise ......... so it's not like it's all that tough to detect them.
by the by........ nobody is saying this?...........
or this?
Rashida Tlaib
@rashidatlaib
It wasn't an accident. Policing in our country is inherently & intentionally racist.
Daunte Wright was met with aggression & violence. I am done with those who condone government funded murder.
No more policing, incarceration, and militarization. It can't be reformed.
6:05 PM · Apr 12, 2021
I didn't say, "nobody." I said, "not many."
And it isn't many. It's just some fringe-dwellers.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 24, 2021 2:19:40 GMT
I didn't say, "nobody." I said, "not many."
And it isn't many. It's just some fringe-dwellers.
Didn't we have a discussion on percentages and perceptions not so long ago? Do we ever just acknowledge what a tiny, tiny minority of police interactions these shootings really add up to?
Whenever I hear the word 'disproportionately' now..... I just automatically believe it's gonna be some BS claim about how prevalent racism is yet again.
Anyone that wants to insist the US is just as bad now, or worse, than pre-1965? They're plum crazy, imo
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 24, 2021 11:40:35 GMT
I didn't say, "nobody." I said, "not many."
And it isn't many. It's just some fringe-dwellers.
Didn't we have a discussion on percentages and perceptions not so long ago? Do we ever just acknowledge what a tiny, tiny minority of police interactions these shootings really add up to?
Whenever I hear the word 'disproportionately' now..... I just automatically believe it's gonna be some BS claim about how prevalent racism is yet again.
Anyone that wants to insist the US is just as bad now, or worse, than pre-1965? They're plum crazy, imo
Yes. YOU perceive the 2% of traffic stops that "lead to something bigger" as worth wasting millions of taxpayer dollars and yet you seem tremendously worried that some fringe group will succeed in doing what YOU have already suggested doing: abolishing the police.
I just wonder what you and fringe-dwellers are going to say when there a few million George Zimmermans policing the country.
Do you think they'll all have cool nicknames like, "Wild Bill" or "Not in My Neighborhood Nick"?
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 24, 2021 12:51:30 GMT
Yes. YOU perceive the 2% of traffic stops that "lead to something bigger" as worth wasting millions of taxpayer dollars and yet you seem tremendously worried that some fringe group will succeed in doing what YOU have already suggested doing: abolishing the police.
I just wonder what you and fringe-dwellers are going to say when there a few million George Zimmermans policing the country.
Do you think they'll all have cool nicknames like, "Wild Bill" or "Not in My Neighborhood Nick"?
That fringe group seems to be calling some of the shots in DC and other major cities, right now.
heheheh, I liked that last one. 
I like resolution. Someone like George Floyd ends up dead after decades of criminal behavior? I'm not really gonna be all that upset about it. And I admit that while acknowledging most everyone, including myself, thought Chauvin went too far with the kneeling
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 25, 2021 1:14:48 GMT
Yes. YOU perceive the 2% of traffic stops that "lead to something bigger" as worth wasting millions of taxpayer dollars and yet you seem tremendously worried that some fringe group will succeed in doing what YOU have already suggested doing: abolishing the police.
I just wonder what you and fringe-dwellers are going to say when there a few million George Zimmermans policing the country.
Do you think they'll all have cool nicknames like, "Wild Bill" or "Not in My Neighborhood Nick"?
That fringe group seems to be calling some of the shots in DC and other major cities, right now.
heheheh, I liked that last one.
I like resolution. Someone like George Floyd ends up dead after decades of criminal behavior? I'm not really gonna be all that upset about it. And I admit that while acknowledging most everyone, including myself, thought Chauvin went too far with the kneeling
People need to look at one case at a time rather than viewing them all the same.
And they need to realize that the more stress they put the cops under by taunting them, screaming at them, and even shooting at them will just have the cops more on edge and have hands reaching for holsters even more quickly.
These activists have created a Catch-22 scenario for their own communities.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 25, 2021 1:22:33 GMT
People need to look at one case at a time rather than viewing them all the same.
And they need to realize that the more stress they put the cops under by taunting them, screaming at them, and even shooting at them will just have the cops more on edge and have hands reaching for holsters even more quickly.
These activists have created a Catch-22 scenario for their own communities.
I think the activists were beat to the punch by a certain political party.
It's an ugly Catch-22 to be sure. The other possibility is the cops simply pull back further than ever and stay in their squad cars until the Sun comes up, all the shootings and stabbings are over with, and then just document it all for the record books.
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 25, 2021 1:57:41 GMT
People need to look at one case at a time rather than viewing them all the same.
And they need to realize that the more stress they put the cops under by taunting them, screaming at them, and even shooting at them will just have the cops more on edge and have hands reaching for holsters even more quickly.
These activists have created a Catch-22 scenario for their own communities.
I think the activists were beat to the punch by a certain political party.
It's an ugly Catch-22 to be sure. The other possibility is the cops simply pull back further than ever and stay in their squad cars until the Sun comes up, all the shootings and stabbings are over with, and then just document it all for the record books.
1. Chickens and eggs
2. The farther you pull back, the farther the crime will spread. The more you try to contain and eliminate, the more opposition you face from the actual victims.
That's why I think that giving the cops a chance to be "good neighbors" (as it were) is the best chance for long-term success.
I don't expect the best from everyone, but I don't mind giving them opportunities to be better.
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