And the hits just keep on coming

[Prometheus]

After what I can only describe as the worst post-chemo week on record, guess what news I just got?

Yup.

Got the Covid.

Most cases in this area have been asymptomatic but 2022 hasn't exactly been my lucky year, so....

[Prometheus]

Temp up 2 degrees C in just 1.5 hours

See you on the other side of this... or Mac will be getting an email....

[ant-mac]

FFS mate, after the year you've had, I've just got to ask...

Did you piss off someone important in a previous life?

[Prometheus]

Dec 16, 2022 22:37:39 GMT ant-mac said:

FFS mate, after the year you've had, I've just got to ask...

Did you piss off someone important in a previous life?

Quite possibly all of them....

Temp got as high as 39.5 last night (103.1 for my fellow Americans) and hovering between 37.3 and 37.5 (99.1 to 99.5) this morning.

Everything smells and tastes horrible so it's hard to eat and have fuel to burn

[ant-mac]

Dec 17, 2022 2:41:56 GMT Prometheus said:

Dec 16, 2022 22:37:39 GMT ant-mac said:

FFS mate, after the year you've had, I've just got to ask...

Did you piss off someone important in a previous life?

Quite possibly all of them....

Temp got as high as 39.5 last night (103.1 for my fellow Americans) and hovering between 37.3 and 37.5 (99.1 to 99.5) this morning.

Everything smells and tastes horrible so it's hard to eat and have fuel to burn

Texture without taste takes away all the pleasure.

For all the good it does, you might as well chew on cardboard.

[Prometheus]

Dec 17, 2022 4:26:34 GMT ant-mac said:

Dec 17, 2022 2:41:56 GMT Prometheus said:

Quite possibly all of them....

Temp got as high as 39.5 last night (103.1 for my fellow Americans) and hovering between 37.3 and 37.5 (99.1 to 99.5) this morning.

Everything smells and tastes horrible so it's hard to eat and have fuel to burn

Texture without taste takes away all the pleasure.

For all the good it does, you might as well chew on cardboard.

'Xactly

[bartlesby]

Wuss.

[ant-mac]

Dec 17, 2022 6:23:46 GMT bartlesby said:

Wuss.

G'day Bart.

Still banned from the cesspool?

[Prometheus]

Dec 17, 2022 6:23:46 GMT bartlesby said:

Wuss.

I was hoping you'd pop in.

So give us the skinny.....

[bartlesby]

Dec 17, 2022 7:05:11 GMT ant-mac said:

Dec 17, 2022 6:23:46 GMT bartlesby said:

Wuss.

G'day Bart.

Still banned from the cesspool?

Aye and G'day.

Dec 17, 2022 7:07:53 GMT Prometheus said:

Dec 17, 2022 6:23:46 GMT bartlesby said:

Wuss.

I was hoping you'd pop in.

So give us the skinny.....

The skinny is both long and short. JC did not like the reporting on the transfer. His reasons aren't really known to me aside from my speculation that he considered that a betrayal.

I assume it was obvious to the board that JC and myself often found each other at odds. We would argue quite a bit openly. We were on different wavelengths despite both of us being good at communicating. Nonetheless, we respected each others' intelligence and stubbornness. An frictious alliance was made out of that mutual respect albeit a distant and tenuous one. But it was still respect.

When I quit because he made the Politics board private, he felt that was a betrayal. I disrespected his decision and dropped the board in protest.

This is the culmination of that. Anything else is window-dressing.

[Prometheus]

Dec 17, 2022 7:36:04 GMT bartlesby said:

Dec 17, 2022 7:05:11 GMT ant-mac said:

G'day Bart.

Still banned from the cesspool?

Aye and G'day.

Dec 17, 2022 7:07:53 GMT Prometheus said:

I was hoping you'd pop in.

So give us the skinny.....

The skinny is both long and short. JC did not like the reporting on the transfer. His reasons aren't really known to me aside from my speculation that he considered that a betrayal.

I assume it was obvious to the board that JC and myself often found each other at odds. We would argue quite a bit openly. We were on different wavelengths despite both of us being good at communicating. Nonetheless, we respected each others' intelligence and stubbornness. An frictious alliance was made out of that mutual respect albeit a distant and tenuous one. But it was still respect.

When I quit because he made the Politics board private, he felt that was a betrayal. I disrespected his decision and dropped the board in protest.

This is the culmination of that. Anything else is window-dressing.

Does he count his age in years or months?

[bartlesby]

Dec 17, 2022 7:38:04 GMT Prometheus said:

Dec 17, 2022 7:36:04 GMT bartlesby said:

Aye and G'day.

The skinny is both long and short. JC did not like the reporting on the transfer. His reasons aren't really known to me aside from my speculation that he considered that a betrayal.

I assume it was obvious to the board that JC and myself often found each other at odds. We would argue quite a bit openly. We were on different wavelengths despite both of us being good at communicating. Nonetheless, we respected each others' intelligence and stubbornness. An frictious alliance was made out of that mutual respect albeit a distant and tenuous one. But it was still respect.

When I quit because he made the Politics board private, he felt that was a betrayal. I disrespected his decision and dropped the board in protest.

This is the culmination of that. Anything else is window-dressing.

Does he count his age in years or months?

Yeah, well. This is just my side of the story. I don't know his perspective.

I just know he was always worried about betrayal and rejection. One of his most cited aphorisms was "It's lonely at the top." That tells you a bit about a person's outlook, I suppose.

[bartlesby]

Oh, and if you just wanted a recount, I already did one on Monkey's board: imdb1.freeforums.net/post/265732/thread

[ant-mac]

Dec 17, 2022 7:36:04 GMT bartlesby said:

Dec 17, 2022 7:05:11 GMT ant-mac said:

G'day Bart.

Still banned from the cesspool?

Aye and G'day.

Dec 17, 2022 7:07:53 GMT Prometheus said:

I was hoping you'd pop in.

So give us the skinny.....

The skinny is both long and short. JC did not like the reporting on the transfer. His reasons aren't really known to me aside from my speculation that he considered that a betrayal.

I assume it was obvious to the board that JC and myself often found each other at odds. We would argue quite a bit openly. We were on different wavelengths despite both of us being good at communicating. Nonetheless, we respected each others' intelligence and stubbornness. An frictious alliance was made out of that mutual respect albeit a distant and tenuous one. But it was still respect.

When I quit because he made the Politics board private, he felt that was a betrayal. I disrespected his decision and dropped the board in protest.

This is the culmination of that. Anything else is window-dressing.

Did you ever point out to him that loyalty is a two-way street?

From a certain perspective, it could be argued that his actions surrounding the privatization of the politics board was a betrayal of good faith to you and others on his behalf.

And while it might be lonely at the top, he need not shoulder the burden all by himself... It's an internet forum, not the nuclear codes.

[Prometheus]

Dec 17, 2022 10:24:45 GMT ant-mac said:

Dec 17, 2022 7:36:04 GMT bartlesby said:

Aye and G'day.

The skinny is both long and short. JC did not like the reporting on the transfer. His reasons aren't really known to me aside from my speculation that he considered that a betrayal.

I assume it was obvious to the board that JC and myself often found each other at odds. We would argue quite a bit openly. We were on different wavelengths despite both of us being good at communicating. Nonetheless, we respected each others' intelligence and stubbornness. An frictious alliance was made out of that mutual respect albeit a distant and tenuous one. But it was still respect.

When I quit because he made the Politics board private, he felt that was a betrayal. I disrespected his decision and dropped the board in protest.

This is the culmination of that. Anything else is window-dressing.

Did you ever point out to him that loyalty is a two-way street?

From a certain perspective, it could be argued that his actions surrounding the privatization of the politics board was a betrayal of good faith to you and others on his behalf.

And while it might be lonely at the top, he need not shoulder the burden all by himself... It's an internet forum, not the nuclear codes.

Well said.

Well spoken.

[bartlesby]

Dec 17, 2022 10:24:45 GMT ant-mac said:

Dec 17, 2022 7:36:04 GMT bartlesby said:

Aye and G'day.

The skinny is both long and short. JC did not like the reporting on the transfer. His reasons aren't really known to me aside from my speculation that he considered that a betrayal.

I assume it was obvious to the board that JC and myself often found each other at odds. We would argue quite a bit openly. We were on different wavelengths despite both of us being good at communicating. Nonetheless, we respected each others' intelligence and stubbornness. An frictious alliance was made out of that mutual respect albeit a distant and tenuous one. But it was still respect.

When I quit because he made the Politics board private, he felt that was a betrayal. I disrespected his decision and dropped the board in protest.

This is the culmination of that. Anything else is window-dressing.

Did you ever point out to him that loyalty is a two-way street?

From a certain perspective, it could be argued that his actions surrounding the privatization of the politics board was a betrayal of good faith to you and others on his behalf.

And while it might be lonely at the top, he need not shoulder the burden all by himself... It's an internet forum, not the nuclear codes.

No.

I mean, how often does one discuss the nature of loyalty with somebody? I can't think of a positive discussion that could come out of "we need to discuss our mutual loyalty."

While loyalty is largely considered a positive virtue, it's also the birth of most fights. In its ultimate form, it's sticking by somebody no matter what they do. It's sacrificing some of your energy and sometimes your own principles to have their back-- and the expectation that you will do so. Loyalty means what you're willing to give up for the sake of another person. And it can be because you respect and like them or it can be because you think you're getting something out of it. 

You don't bring that up lightly in conversation because it exposes an interpersonal power dynamic. If I were to ask you "How loyal are you to me?", it'd be an insulting question whether you were loyal, disloyal, or indifferent. Instead of discussing it directly, people react to slights and affirmations of loyalty and create their own conceptualization of who is loyal and who is not in their own headspace.

This can go horribly wrong. People can perceive resentment in the words you speak whether it's true or not. People can perceive resentment ringing out from silence whether it's true or not. That feeling can pent up and explode and override a person's rationality, triggering a purely emotional response wearing a flimsy mask made of stitched-together logic. They can't see it from your perspective any longer. Their vision's limited to seeing you as an adversary and now it's a fight about whose truth is more compelling, whether it's true or not.

If people were able to see things from the other person's perspective so easily, we wouldn't have spats and fights and battles and wars. That's not the world we live in, though. We live in a world which glorifies combativeness. When JC banned me, some people reached out to me. You know what not a single one of them asked? "Is there any way you two could patch it up?"

If he had said he banned me because he didn't like me or because he felt I was relaying uncomfortable questions and answers about the transfer or I was focusing too much on what could go wrong or he wanted to protect the new admin from scrutiny, I'd accept that. 

I won't accept insinuations that I put malicious code into his site-- because I didn't. He knows I didn't. He kept a lot of my code up even after I quit. If he believes I'm so nefarious, why would he not take it all down after I quit rather than leaving it up for over a year?

It just doesn't add up.

---

I don't think he could have trusted many to help shoulder the burden, ultimately, because these boards are kneedeep in old grievances and rivalries and demands and he parachuted himself into that world without having a great lay of the land. It's hard to trust anybody in No Man's Land. When you put yourself in as an entity with more power than anybody, but not a deep knowledge of the situations happening around you, people are going to try to sway you over to their side and you're going to get conned and manipulated like the gullible babyface you are.

You go to the wrong neighborhood, you're getting mugged; that's the long and short. I think he got mugged a few times and really grew increasingly distrustful. I don't know how much I even blame him for that.

[ant-mac]

Dec 20, 2022 6:32:11 GMT bartlesby said:

Dec 17, 2022 10:24:45 GMT ant-mac said:

Did you ever point out to him that loyalty is a two-way street?

From a certain perspective, it could be argued that his actions surrounding the privatization of the politics board was a betrayal of good faith to you and others on his behalf.

And while it might be lonely at the top, he need not shoulder the burden all by himself... It's an internet forum, not the nuclear codes.

No.

I mean, how often does one discuss the nature of loyalty with somebody? I can't think of a positive discussion that could come out of "we need to discuss our mutual loyalty."

While loyalty is largely considered a positive virtue, it's also the birth of most fights. In its ultimate form, it's sticking by somebody no matter what they do. It's sacrificing some of your energy and sometimes your own principles to have their back-- and the expectation that you will do so. Loyalty means what you're willing to give up for the sake of another person. And it can be because you respect and like them or it can be because you think you're getting something out of it. 

You don't bring that up lightly in conversation because it exposes an interpersonal power dynamic. If I were to ask you "How loyal are you to me?", it'd be an insulting question whether you were loyal, disloyal, or indifferent. Instead of discussing it directly, people react to slights and affirmations of loyalty and create their own conceptualization of who is loyal and who is not in their own headspace.

This can go horribly wrong. People can perceive resentment in the words you speak whether it's true or not. People can perceive resentment ringing out from silence whether it's true or not. That feeling can pent up and explode and override a person's rationality, triggering a purely emotional response wearing a flimsy mask made of stitched-together logic. They can't see it from your perspective any longer. Their vision's limited to seeing you as an adversary and now it's a fight about whose truth is more compelling, whether it's true or not.

If people were able to see things from the other person's perspective so easily, we wouldn't have spats and fights and battles and wars. That's not the world we live in, though. We live in a world which glorifies combativeness. When JC banned me, some people reached out to me. You know what not a single one of them asked? "Is there any way you two could patch it up?"

If he had said he banned me because he didn't like me or because he felt I was relaying uncomfortable questions and answers about the transfer or I was focusing too much on what could go wrong or he wanted to protect the new admin from scrutiny, I'd accept that. 

I won't accept insinuations that I put malicious code into his site-- because I didn't. He knows I didn't. He kept a lot of my code up even after I quit. If he believes I'm so nefarious, why would he not take it all down after I quit rather than leaving it up for over a year?

It just doesn't add up.

---

I don't think he could have trusted many to help shoulder the burden, ultimately, because these boards are kneedeep in old grievances and rivalries and demands and he parachuted himself into that world without having a great lay of the land. It's hard to trust anybody in No Man's Land. When you put yourself in as an entity with more power than anybody, but not a deep knowledge of the situations happening around you, people are going to try to sway you over to their side and you're going to get conned and manipulated like the gullible babyface you are.

You go to the wrong neighborhood, you're getting mugged; that's the long and short. I think he got mugged a few times and really grew increasingly distrustful. I don't know how much I even blame him for that.

1. You don't need to discuss the subject of loyalty at all... unless it becomes a factor in the day-to-day performance of your duties, whatever they may involve or wherever you may conduct them.

And, based on your earlier post, it seems to me that the subject did in fact become an issue.

2. If you are in a situation where you require assistance from others, but don't know anyone personally, trust is not necessarily needed.

Set out a code of conduct and personal boundaries of what you consider acceptable and unacceptable... and enforce them in your dealings with others.

PS - As for JC's actions towards you, I've never considered him to be particularly consistent, honourable or trustworthy.

[gaia1953]

Dec 17, 2022 2:41:56 GMT Prometheus said:

Dec 16, 2022 22:37:39 GMT ant-mac said:

FFS mate, after the year you've had, I've just got to ask...

Did you piss off someone important in a previous life?

Quite possibly all of them....

Temp got as high as 39.5 last night (103.1 for my fellow Americans) and hovering between 37.3 and 37.5 (99.1 to 99.5) this morning.

Everything smells and tastes horrible so it's hard to eat and have fuel to burn

My sympathy... been there, done that. Lost about twenty pounds the first few weeks.  My Dad drove all over our metro area trying to find fresh peas... it was the only food I could eat without bad things happening.

[gaia1953]

Dec 17, 2022 7:36:04 GMT bartlesby said:

Dec 17, 2022 7:05:11 GMT ant-mac said:

G'day Bart.

Still banned from the cesspool?

Aye and G'day.

Dec 17, 2022 7:07:53 GMT Prometheus said:

I was hoping you'd pop in.

So give us the skinny.....

The skinny is both long and short. JC did not like the reporting on the transfer. His reasons aren't really known to me aside from my speculation that he considered that a betrayal.

I assume it was obvious to the board that JC and myself often found each other at odds. We would argue quite a bit openly. We were on different wavelengths despite both of us being good at communicating. Nonetheless, we respected each others' intelligence and stubbornness. An frictious alliance was made out of that mutual respect albeit a distant and tenuous one. But it was still respect.

When I quit because he made the Politics board private, he felt that was a betrayal. I disrespected his decision and dropped the board in protest.

This is the culmination of that. Anything else is window-dressing.

Hey, Bart, it's Rachel Carson from the other board.  I am glad to see you are still posting here.  That whole thing on the other board was a complete Charlie Foxtrot, and I feel more comfortable over here.

[bartlesby]

Dec 20, 2022 23:58:18 GMT gaia1953 said:

Dec 17, 2022 7:36:04 GMT bartlesby said:

Aye and G'day.

The skinny is both long and short. JC did not like the reporting on the transfer. His reasons aren't really known to me aside from my speculation that he considered that a betrayal.

I assume it was obvious to the board that JC and myself often found each other at odds. We would argue quite a bit openly. We were on different wavelengths despite both of us being good at communicating. Nonetheless, we respected each others' intelligence and stubbornness. An frictious alliance was made out of that mutual respect albeit a distant and tenuous one. But it was still respect.

When I quit because he made the Politics board private, he felt that was a betrayal. I disrespected his decision and dropped the board in protest.

This is the culmination of that. Anything else is window-dressing.

Hey, Bart, it's Rachel Carson from the other board.  I am glad to see you are still posting here.  That whole thing on the other board was a complete Charlie Foxtrot, and I feel more comfortable over here.

Hey Rachel, sorry for the delay getting back to you. Busy time up until now, tunnel vision during that time, and I don't really post that much these days... comparatively.

Thank you. Just want to say that.

And I wouldn't worry about the other board despite the situation. The admin is either JC or a fawning surrogate so it's essentially still status quo. Take that for what it is.