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Post by Prometheus on Apr 15, 2021 16:39:41 GMT
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 17, 2021 1:35:21 GMT
Like so many other things.......this is the double edged sword of freedoms versus 'society'
So where you at? Are you responsible for other peoples' choices? Should you use the force of govt to make them make better choices?
Would the cost of healthcare in the US be nearly what it is if it weren't for the shape of our general population? A recent stat I heard was at least 1/3 of Americans are seriously unhealthy because of obesity.
I'm fully aware of the math involved in caloric intake, by the way. Are my fellow Americans unaware? All the menus have the calorie numbers right there.....on the drive thru menu board.
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 17, 2021 4:05:26 GMT
Like so many other things.......this is the double edged sword of freedoms versus 'society' So where you at? Are you responsible for other peoples' choices? Should you use the force of govt to make them make better choices? Would the cost of healthcare in the US be nearly what it is if it weren't for the shape of our general population? A recent stat I heard was at least 1/3 of Americans are seriously unhealthy because of obesity. I'm fully aware of the math involved in caloric intake, by the way. Are my fellow Americans unaware? All the menus have the calorie numbers right there.....on the drive thru menu board. I think the government has a responsibility to educate people. I think parents have a responsibility to raise their children on healthy diets and be good role models by eating healthy diets.
No where in that video did anyone suggest (nor did I by posting it suggest) that the government should be forcing anyone to do anything, so I'm unsure why you would ask the question.
"I'm fully aware of the math involved in caloric intake, by the way. Are my fellow Americans unaware? All the menus have the calorie numbers right there.....on the drive thru menu board."
That was kinda the point of the video.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 17, 2021 13:10:14 GMT
I think the government has a responsibility to educate people. I think parents have a responsibility to raise their children on healthy diets and be good role models by eating healthy diets.
No where in that video did anyone suggest (nor did I by posting it suggest) that the government should be forcing anyone to do anything, so I'm unsure why you would ask the question.
"I'm fully aware of the math involved in caloric intake, by the way. Are my fellow Americans unaware? All the menus have the calorie numbers right there.....on the drive thru menu board."
That was kinda the point of the video.
The 'education' is there......the info is widely available......... just like all sorts of useful information about how to improve your own life......IF you choose.
OMG, yes. The parents are the most important factor by far. So where's the punishment for those that abdicate that duty?
I'm asking the question simply because the Govt already goes about informing/educating pretty much non-stop. Nothing makes me roll my eyes harder than my Govt, $23 Trillion in Debt, running Ad Council commercials on the important of saving money for the future.  So if the info is out there.....and people continually choose to ignore it.....then what? Force? It's about the same with those public schools. Everyone is given that opportunity........but do they appreciate it? Take full advantage of it? No. So then what? THAT has gotta be one opf the most glaring things for you to see comparing the US to China? Parents that not just want, but demand better from their kids?
But it hasn't worked. WHEN do I get to here anyone involved in this waste of time and money admit they're wrong? That people ARE their own worst enemies and it's often not even worth the effort to try to help them? Is this where that catchy "If only 1 child is saved......" comes in? Again, in a country that tosses away how many fetus/year? (Please, remember I'm still pro-choice...... I just don't believe that Planned Parenthood isn't soaking taxpayers)
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 18, 2021 0:58:11 GMT
I think the government has a responsibility to educate people. I think parents have a responsibility to raise their children on healthy diets and be good role models by eating healthy diets.
No where in that video did anyone suggest (nor did I by posting it suggest) that the government should be forcing anyone to do anything, so I'm unsure why you would ask the question.
"I'm fully aware of the math involved in caloric intake, by the way. Are my fellow Americans unaware? All the menus have the calorie numbers right there.....on the drive thru menu board."
That was kinda the point of the video.
The 'education' is there......the info is widely available......... just like all sorts of useful information about how to improve your own life......IF you choose.
OMG, yes. The parents are the most important factor by far. So where's the punishment for those that abdicate that duty?
I'm asking the question simply because the Govt already goes about informing/educating pretty much non-stop. Nothing makes me roll my eyes harder than my Govt, $23 Trillion in Debt, running Ad Council commercials on the important of saving money for the future. So if the info is out there.....and people continually choose to ignore it.....then what? Force? It's about the same with those public schools. Everyone is given that opportunity........but do they appreciate it? Take full advantage of it? No. So then what? THAT has gotta be one opf the most glaring things for you to see comparing the US to China? Parents that not just want, but demand better from their kids?
But it hasn't worked. WHEN do I get to here anyone involved in this waste of time and money admit they're wrong? That people ARE their own worst enemies and it's often not even worth the effort to try to help them? Is this where that catchy "If only 1 child is saved......" comes in? Again, in a country that tosses away how many fetus/year? (Please, remember I'm still pro-choice...... I just don't believe that Planned Parenthood isn't soaking taxpayers)
Why don't people do it?
Lots of reasons. Here are a few off the top of my head: The [somewhat] misguided notion that "healthy = expensive." There are healthy food choices out there that are expensive, but that doesn't mean that they are the only choices. TBH, if a certain food all of a sudden gets proclaimed a "super food" you can bet that their lobby has just spent a shitload of money to drive up interest in the product as well as prices. Go look at the "food pyramid" or "plate" or whatever it is these days and start looking into its history. Placement was determined by cash.
And do you remember when we were kids how, when you were thirsty, you just drank some water. Now we're told on a regular basis how many bottles of "pure, crystal-clear, bottled spring water" we need to drink each day in order to be healthy. If you believe all the sales pitches, it's easy to see how you might start worrying about how much staying healthy is going to cost and say, "fuck it."
"Not everyone believes in those things" you might say. That brings me to my next point:
The "It's a plot!" people. These folks aren't thinking about the plot from the advertisers. They're worried about the "librul plot to take over our lives!" or the "Rethugnican plot to eradicate our culture!" Don't tell me they don't exist. You can just google "Michelle Obama school lunches" for the first and some variation of what I said for the second.
And let's not forget general laziness and the plethora of gadgets we have to enable it: smart phones, computers, tablets, video game consoles, movies on demand,.... When we were kids, we couldn't wait to get outside and play: ride our bikes, play baseball or football or street hockey, go swimming... whatever. Now you can do all that shit with your fingers on a controller.
Now let's go back to other things the government can do. Limit advertising for unhealthy foods. The number of smokers is down and it has nothing to do with the Surgeon General's Warning. It has to do with a lack of advertising... a lack of glorification. Some countries mandate horrific pictures on cigarette packs and they have fewer smokers. How about we ban TV commercials for Doritos and make them put pictures of morbidly obese people on their packaging? The processed food industry will dump billions of dollars into PACs all over the country to see that it never happens, but then we're back to an old favorite of mine: ban lobbyists.
You like to say that our government is bloated and mismanaged. I agree. I just also like adding how it got that way: being in the pockets of corporate interests rather than in the pockets of their constituencies' interests.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 18, 2021 1:06:55 GMT
Why don't people do it?
Lots of reasons. Here are a few off the top of my head: The [somewhat] misguided notion that "healthy = expensive." There are healthy food choices out there that are expensive, but that doesn't mean that they are the only choices. TBH, if a certain food all of a sudden gets proclaimed a "super food" you can bet that their lobby has just spent a shitload of money to drive up interest in the product as well as prices. Go look at the "food pyramid" or "plate" or whatever it is these days and start looking into its history. Placement was determined by cash.
And do you remember when we were kids how, when you were thirsty, you just drank some water. Now we're told on a regular basis how many bottles of "pure, crystal-clear, bottled spring water" we need to drink each day in order to be healthy. If you believe all the sales pitches, it's easy to see how you might start worrying about how much staying healthy is going to cost and say, "fuck it."
"Not everyone believes in those things" you might say. That brings me to my next point:
The "It's a plot!" people. These folks aren't thinking about the plot from the advertisers. They're worried about the "librul plot to take over our lives!" or the "Rethugnican plot to eradicate our culture!" Don't tell me they don't exist. You can just google "Michelle Obama school lunches" for the first and some variation of what I said for the second.
And let's not forget general laziness and the plethora of gadgets we have to enable it: smart phones, computers, tablets, video game consoles, movies on demand,.... When we were kids, we couldn't wait to get outside and play: ride our bikes, play baseball or football or street hockey, go swimming... whatever. Now you can do all that shit with your fingers on a controller.
Now let's go back to other things the government can do. Limit advertising for unhealthy foods. The number of smokers is down and it has nothing to do with the Surgeon General's Warning. It has to do with a lack of advertising... a lack of glorification. Some countries mandate horrific pictures on cigarette packs and they have fewer smokers. How about we ban TV commercials for Doritos and make them put pictures of morbidly obese people on their packaging? The processed food industry will dump billions of dollars into PACs all over the country to see that it never happens, but then we're back to an old favorite of mine: ban lobbyists.
You like to say that our government is bloated and mismanaged. I agree. I just also like adding how it got that way: being in the pockets of corporate interests rather than in the pockets of their constituencies' interests.
They really should make us two C0-Dictators. We'd get some serious shit done overnight.
You seem to be swaying back and forth from your 1 vs 999 thought......and it's the advertisers/lobbyists fault, though.
At what point do you ever expect people to have some control over their own lives?
But one thing is for usre, you might be shocked too.........but I absolutely think if something should be FREE for all Americans, it's cool, clean and safe drinking water coming out of the taps in all 50 states.........rather than this monstrosity of pollution that is the bottled water industry. THAT is what makes me roll my eyes and laugh at the plastic straw bans. People are so retarded about what they'll get behind......while ignoring much bigger problems. Or simply that their perceived feel good campaign really isn't accomplishing much after all.
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 18, 2021 1:49:52 GMT
Why don't people do it?
Lots of reasons. Here are a few off the top of my head: The [somewhat] misguided notion that "healthy = expensive." There are healthy food choices out there that are expensive, but that doesn't mean that they are the only choices. TBH, if a certain food all of a sudden gets proclaimed a "super food" you can bet that their lobby has just spent a shitload of money to drive up interest in the product as well as prices. Go look at the "food pyramid" or "plate" or whatever it is these days and start looking into its history. Placement was determined by cash.
And do you remember when we were kids how, when you were thirsty, you just drank some water. Now we're told on a regular basis how many bottles of "pure, crystal-clear, bottled spring water" we need to drink each day in order to be healthy. If you believe all the sales pitches, it's easy to see how you might start worrying about how much staying healthy is going to cost and say, "fuck it."
"Not everyone believes in those things" you might say. That brings me to my next point:
The "It's a plot!" people. These folks aren't thinking about the plot from the advertisers. They're worried about the "librul plot to take over our lives!" or the "Rethugnican plot to eradicate our culture!" Don't tell me they don't exist. You can just google "Michelle Obama school lunches" for the first and some variation of what I said for the second.
And let's not forget general laziness and the plethora of gadgets we have to enable it: smart phones, computers, tablets, video game consoles, movies on demand,.... When we were kids, we couldn't wait to get outside and play: ride our bikes, play baseball or football or street hockey, go swimming... whatever. Now you can do all that shit with your fingers on a controller.
Now let's go back to other things the government can do. Limit advertising for unhealthy foods. The number of smokers is down and it has nothing to do with the Surgeon General's Warning. It has to do with a lack of advertising... a lack of glorification. Some countries mandate horrific pictures on cigarette packs and they have fewer smokers. How about we ban TV commercials for Doritos and make them put pictures of morbidly obese people on their packaging? The processed food industry will dump billions of dollars into PACs all over the country to see that it never happens, but then we're back to an old favorite of mine: ban lobbyists.
You like to say that our government is bloated and mismanaged. I agree. I just also like adding how it got that way: being in the pockets of corporate interests rather than in the pockets of their constituencies' interests.
They really should make us two C0-Dictators. We'd get some serious shit done overnight.
You seem to be swaying back and forth from your 1 vs 999 thought......and it's the advertisers/lobbyists fault, though.
At what point do you ever expect people to have some control over their own lives?
But one thing is for usre, you might be shocked too.........but I absolutely think if something should be FREE for all Americans, it's cool, clean and safe drinking water coming out of the taps in all 50 states.........rather than this monstrosity of pollution that is the bottled water industry. THAT is what makes me roll my eyes and laugh at the plastic straw bans. People are so retarded about what they'll get behind......while ignoring much bigger problems. Or simply that their perceived feel good campaign really isn't accomplishing much after all.
I'm not swaying at all. I just perceive it more objectively... in my subjective opinion. 
People DO have control over their own lives. They just make shitty decisions. I simply don't have a problem with removing bad choices from the decision tree. If you saw a friend trying to look down the barrel of a loaded weapon, wouldn't you take the gun away from him?
As to your last point: yes. People tend toward the lowest common denominator in most things.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 18, 2021 2:06:42 GMT
I'm not swaying at all. I just perceive it more objectively... in my subjective opinion.
People DO have control over their own lives. They just make shitty decisions. I simply don't have a problem with removing bad choices from the decision tree. If you saw a friend trying to look down the barrel of a loaded weapon, wouldn't you take the gun away from him?
As to your last point: yes. People tend toward the lowest common denominator in most things.
a-HA!
So you're anti-choice?! OMG
I happen to think the ability to choose to check out on your own terms is the ultimate freedom. Would I try to dissuade a stranger or friends from ending it all for no reason? Of course, but how much energy do you want me to expend? All I'd ask is leave others out of it as much as possible. Don't take out innocents in the process of your downward spiral.
People being people. It's why I'm really not much of a fan........but you ai'ight
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Post by Prometheus on Apr 18, 2021 9:48:52 GMT
I'm not swaying at all. I just perceive it more objectively... in my subjective opinion.
People DO have control over their own lives. They just make shitty decisions. I simply don't have a problem with removing bad choices from the decision tree. If you saw a friend trying to look down the barrel of a loaded weapon, wouldn't you take the gun away from him?
As to your last point: yes. People tend toward the lowest common denominator in most things.
a-HA!
So you're anti-choice?! OMG
I happen to think the ability to choose to check out on your own terms is the ultimate freedom. Would I try to dissuade a stranger or friends from ending it all for no reason? Of course, but how much energy do you want me to expend? All I'd ask is leave others out of it as much as possible. Don't take out innocents in the process of your downward spiral.
People being people. It's why I'm really not much of a fan........but you ai'ight
I'm anti-bad choice.
Stop conflating.
If it's all you have then you don't belong in a serious conversation.
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