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[permutojoe]

Nov 26, 2022 14:59:09 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 26, 2022 14:54:47 GMT permutojoe said:

Most of his voters were not voting for him to give trillions away to the super rich.  A few were of course.

You couldn't be more wrong..........especially in your chosen terminology. It's not 'giving away' money. It's allowing people to keep more of their own money.

The 'giving away' comes from all of the welfare and handouts we're currently burdened with. Y'know...... like EBT, housing, rental assistance, student loan forgiveness, and on and on and on

I realize that's what the right wing propaganda is telling you, but if you look at the bigger picture it's wealth redistribution from the middle class to the super rich.  And it creates a very bleak reality for more and more middle class citizens every year.

[merh]

Nov 26, 2022 14:59:09 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 26, 2022 14:54:47 GMT permutojoe said:

Most of his voters were not voting for him to give trillions away to the super rich.  A few were of course.

You couldn't be more wrong..........especially in your chosen terminology. It's not 'giving away' money. It's allowing people to keep more of their own money.

The 'giving away' comes from all of the welfare and handouts we're currently burdened with. Y'know...... like EBT, housing, rental assistance, student loan forgiveness, and on and on and on

Need a penny,  dude.
And dudes with lots of pennies can afford to leave a lot of pennies.

Bezos gave our Homeless outreach like $5 mill last week.

[Prometheus]

Nov 26, 2022 14:59:09 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 26, 2022 14:54:47 GMT permutojoe said:

Most of his voters were not voting for him to give trillions away to the super rich.  A few were of course.

You couldn't be more wrong..........especially in your chosen terminology. It's not 'giving away' money. It's allowing people to keep more of their own money.

The 'giving away' comes from all of the welfare and handouts we're currently burdened with. Y'know...... like EBT, housing, rental assistance, student loan forgiveness, and on and on and on

But they were always keeping more of their own money than the average person. THAT is the problem. When a billionaire is paying an effective tax rate that's lower than his janitorial and administrative staff, then we have a fucked up tax code.

"Elon paid $11 billion in taxes!"

But he should have paid closer to $40 billion. Imagine what we could get done with just that $29 billion alone... even if it were building a few more hundred miles of your precious Wall (TM).

And if keeping more of their own money was the point then why didn't it really help anyone on the lower rungs? Why do they still need EBT, Section 8, and debt forgiveness?

Because, while Elon, Jeff, et al. got to keep billions of dollars, John and Jane Q. Public only got about $600 dollars - an extra 50 bucks a month. I won't even get into how that and more was eaten up by the tariffs and just ask you - Mr. Financial Wizard - how that extra 50 bucks was supposed to get people off welfare?

Hell, now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder how many people got kicked off welfare because that 50 bucks put them over the threshold and made their lives measurably worse. I could actually see Donnie's GOP touting the fact that they "got people off welfare" with their tax cuts like how China "raises millions out of poverty" by changing the threshold from $1.92/day to $1.65 per day. All those people making between $1.66 and $1.91 per day are officially no longer poor! Yay!

By the way... the average between $1.66 and $1.91 is $1.785, and if you multiply that by 30 days in a month it comes to... $53.55... about what Trump did for the John and Jane Q. Public. Dictators (and wannabes) must have a special financial playbook that they use....

Once again, you show that you only value people on what they already have rather than what they can potentially contribute... especially when those people are in minority groups.

Wait! Did I just hear you brain scream, "50% is not a minority!"?

Have you shown proof that 50% of all Americans are on some sort of assistance yet? I don't think so. But even if you did, then shouldn't the big question be "How do we create enough well=paying jobs for these people?" rather than to just vilify them for getting fucked over? Sounds like blaming the victim. Oh yeah. That's another tried and true weapon in the arsenal of the GOP bigot.

Carry on.

[abbey1227]

Nov 26, 2022 18:23:08 GMT merh said:

Need a penny,  dude.
And dudes with lots of pennies can afford to leave a lot of pennies.

Bezos gave our Homeless outreach like $5 mill last week.

They do pay a lot of pennies as it is.........what're the stats? Top 1% pays like 40% of the bills? And the Top 5-10% pays around 70%?

How fast did that measly $5 Million get burned up? WASTE of money, imo

[Prometheus]

Nov 27, 2022 2:05:04 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 26, 2022 18:23:08 GMT merh said:

Need a penny,  dude.
And dudes with lots of pennies can afford to leave a lot of pennies.

Bezos gave our Homeless outreach like $5 mill last week.

They do pay a lot of pennies as it is.........what're the stats? Top 1% pays like 40% of the bills? And the Top 5-10% pays around 70%?

How fast did that measly $5 Million get burned up? WASTE of money, imo

Not even 6 homeless units in LA by last count....

[merh]

Nov 27, 2022 2:05:04 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 26, 2022 18:23:08 GMT merh said:

Need a penny,  dude.
And dudes with lots of pennies can afford to leave a lot of pennies.

Bezos gave our Homeless outreach like $5 mill last week.

They do pay a lot of pennies as it is.........what're the stats? Top 1% pays like 40% of the bills? And the Top 5-10% pays around 70%?

How fast did that measly $5 Million get burned up? WASTE of money, imo

Jeff Bezos donates a total of $123 million to 40 groups fighting homelessness after vowing to give away majority of his wealth
Kate Duffy
Thu, November 24, 2022

Jeff Bezos is giving away $123 million to an array of groups combatting homelessness in the US.

The billionaire gave between $600,000 and $5 million to 40 organizations.

MacKenzie Scott, his ex-wife, also supported housing groups by donating mansions worth $55 million.

Jeff Bezos has announced he will donate a total of $123 million towards 40 charities fighting homelessness in the US.

The donations form part of his Bezos Day 1 Families Fund, a $2 billion commitment to help Americans who are homeless.

Bezos, who Bloomberg's Billionaire List ranks as the fourth-richest person in the world, on Tuesday posted the news in an Instagram post.

Further information was provided in a press release, which announced that the recipients of the grants span 26 states and Puerto Rico.

Donations of $5 million, the highest amount, were pledged to various charities, including The Salvation Army, PATH, and Housing First, Inc.. Smaller donations of $600,000, were made to organizations including H.O.M.E. Inc.

Other groups that were given grants included Homeless Alliance, Samish Indian Nation, and LA Family Housing, per the press release.

"Honored to support these groups," Bezos wrote in the Instagram post.

Representatives for Bezos didn't immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

The Bezos Day 1 Families Fund, which the billionaire set up in 2018, has given out 170 grants valued at more than $521 million in total, the website said.

Bezos said on November 14 in a CNN interview alongside his partner Lauren Sánchez that he had pledged to give away the majority of his wealth — an estimated $124 billion — to combat the climate crisis and support people who could unify humanity.

Following Bezos' announcement, his ex-wife MacKenzie Scott wrote in blog post that over the past seven months, she had given nearly $2 billion to 343 organizations supporting people from underserved communities. As a result, Scott has given away at least $14.5 billion of her wealth since 2019 when she signed the Giving Pledge. The pledge marks a person's commitment to donate the majority of their wealth to charity.

Like Bezos, Scott has also contributed to housing charities. In September, she gave two Beverly Hills mansions worth $55 million to the California Community Foundation.

Bezos' Charity Gives $5M to San Diego Homelessness Task Force, Largest Gift in Organization's History
RTFH said it will utilize the grant funds to establish and expand efforts to address and end family homelessness and focus on expanding and securing units for those in need
By City News Service and NBC 7 Staff • Published November 22, 2022

The Regional Task Force on Homelessness has received a $5 million grant from the Bezos Day 1 Families Fund, the largest private gift in the organization's history, it was announced Tuesday.

The RTFH is San Diego's lead agency in addressing the homelessness crisis and recently released the Regional Community Action Plan to Prevent and End Homelessness in San Diego which identifies ending family homelessness as one of its five actionable goals.


OCT 25
Philanthropist Mackenzie Scott Donates $16M to Escondido Schools

NOV 16
Jeff Bezos Giving Away Most of His $122 Billion Fortune Is ‘a Big Deal'—But Leaves Many Questions Unanswered, Expert Says
The Day 1 Families Fund -- created in 2018 by Amazon founder Jeff Bezos -- issues annual awards to organizations "employing compassionate, needle-moving work to help families move from unsheltered homelessness and shelters to permanent housing with the services they require to achieve stability," a statement from the fund reads.

"We are excited to receive this grant from the Bezos Day 1 Families Fund," RTFH CEO Tamera Kohler said. "Families in San Diego are experiencing homelessness at a higher rate than we have seen before. Targeting these resources, we will strive to reduce these numbers and shorten the time any family is without a place to call home," she said. "This targeted, coordinated effort will leverage all available resources to make homelessness in our region rare, brief and one-time. We also recognize families of color experience homelessness at higher rates and are homeless longer. These funds will also be targeted to address this and improve lives of families struggling with homelessness across our region."

[merh]

Nov 27, 2022 5:56:00 GMT Prometheus said:

Nov 27, 2022 2:05:04 GMT abbey1227 said:

They do pay a lot of pennies as it is.........what're the stats? Top 1% pays like 40% of the bills? And the Top 5-10% pays around 70%?

How fast did that measly $5 Million get burned up? WASTE of money, imo

Not even 6 homeless units in LA by last count....

So the money was given to a San Diego group.

LA maybe got their own money.

[Prometheus]

Nov 27, 2022 15:36:39 GMT merh said:

Nov 27, 2022 5:56:00 GMT Prometheus said:

Not even 6 homeless units in LA by last count....

So the money was given to a San Diego group.

LA maybe got their own money.

I was just commenting on the ballooning rate of what it costs rather than identifying any specific donation....

[merh]

Nov 27, 2022 23:25:55 GMT Prometheus said:

Nov 27, 2022 15:36:39 GMT merh said:

So the money was given to a San Diego group.

LA maybe got their own money.

I was just commenting on the ballooning rate of what it costs rather than identifying any specific donation....

It was given to a task force so they could spend the whole amount on studies.

[abbey1227]

Nov 27, 2022 15:35:23 GMT merh said:

Jeff Bezos donates a total of $123 million to 40 groups fighting homelessness after vowing to give away majority of his wealth

Bezos' Charity Gives $5M to San Diego Homelessness Task Force, Largest Gift in Organization's History

IIRC, his Ex got $38Billion in the divorce..........and I'm pretty sure she's  given away a lot more money than these articles are pointing to.

But it does make the point that people who have enormous fortunes often do find ways to spend it directly on causes they prefer. I'm fine with that

[abbey1227]

Nov 28, 2022 0:34:45 GMT merh said:

Nov 27, 2022 23:25:55 GMT Prometheus said:

I was just commenting on the ballooning rate of what it costs rather than identifying any specific donation....

It was given to a task force so they could spend the whole amount on studies.

great   

[abbey1227]

Nov 27, 2022 15:36:39 GMT merh said:

So the money was given to a San Diego group.

LA maybe got their own money.

Now imagine if the Feds/State Govt donated some vacant land being held off the tax rolls........and bought a ton of tiny, pre-manufactured homes instead.

[merh]

Nov 28, 2022 10:52:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 27, 2022 15:36:39 GMT merh said:

So the money was given to a San Diego group.

LA maybe got their own money.

Now imagine if the Feds/State Govt donated some vacant land being held off the tax rolls........and bought a ton of tiny, pre-manufactured homes instead.

L.A. County General Hospital.

Problem is it's costing millions to remove the asbestos, etc. 

Donnie loves asbestos.

[Prometheus]

Nov 28, 2022 10:52:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 27, 2022 15:36:39 GMT merh said:

So the money was given to a San Diego group.

LA maybe got their own money.

Now imagine if the Feds/State Govt donated some vacant land being held off the tax rolls........and bought a ton of tiny, pre-manufactured homes instead.

That sounds like a great idea... as long as the lobbyists for the tiny homes don't "convince" the politicians that the tiny homes are worth $800k a pop....

[abbey1227]

Nov 28, 2022 23:40:11 GMT merh said:

Nov 28, 2022 10:52:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

Now imagine if the Feds/State Govt donated some vacant land being held off the tax rolls........and bought a ton of tiny, pre-manufactured homes instead.

L.A. County General Hospital.

Problem is it's costing millions to remove the asbestos, etc. 

Donnie loves asbestos.

Not much different than the lead paint issue. The Govt knows exactly how many places need remedying........what's the hold up? Not enough volunteers? Not enough tax revenue?

Better to keep kicking the cans down the road?

[Prometheus]

Nov 29, 2022 3:26:54 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 28, 2022 23:40:11 GMT merh said:

L.A. County General Hospital.

Problem is it's costing millions to remove the asbestos, etc. 

Donnie loves asbestos.

Not much different than the lead paint issue. The Govt knows exactly how many places need remedying........what's the hold up? Not enough volunteers? Not enough tax revenue?

Better to keep kicking the cans down the road?

How much "remedy" could Elon and Jeffie pay for with the taxes they dodged?