Feds concerned about armed people at Arizona ballot boxes

[Prometheus]

apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-voting-rights-phoenix-a4c9d98e4da6eb175ea5eb72a37207ed

And so they should be. It's against the law as far as I can tell.

[merh]

Nov 1, 2022 1:12:44 GMT Prometheus said:

apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-voting-rights-phoenix-a4c9d98e4da6eb175ea5eb72a37207ed

And so they should be. It's against the law as far as I can tell.

Nope.

Trump appointed Judge said no problem.
They have the right 

Remember when  couple of black panthers stood outside a poll & the right had a cow?

[Prometheus]

Nov 1, 2022 21:46:28 GMT merh said:

Nov 1, 2022 1:12:44 GMT Prometheus said:

apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-voting-rights-phoenix-a4c9d98e4da6eb175ea5eb72a37207ed

And so they should be. It's against the law as far as I can tell.

Nope.

Trump appointed Judge said no problem.
They have the right 

Remerged when  couple of black panthers stood outside a poll & the right had a cow?

[abbey1227]

Nov 1, 2022 21:46:28 GMT merh said:

Nope.

Trump appointed Judge said no problem.
They have the right 

Remember when  couple of black panthers stood outside a poll & the right had a cow?

Remember when people said it wasn't a big deal? 

[Prometheus]

Nov 1, 2022 23:42:37 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 1, 2022 21:46:28 GMT merh said:

Nope.

Trump appointed Judge said no problem.
They have the right 

Remember when  couple of black panthers stood outside a poll & the right had a cow?

Remember when people said it wasn't a big deal? 

They had to lest they be called, "racists."

This is the biggest problem with trying to stroke everyone's ego: the eventual inability to live honestly.

[merh]

Nov 1, 2022 23:42:37 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 1, 2022 21:46:28 GMT merh said:

Nope.

Trump appointed Judge said no problem.
They have the right 

Remember when  couple of black panthers stood outside a poll & the right had a cow?

Remember when people said it wasn't a big deal? 

Let's see.
The gang in Arizona are photographing/recording people & their license plates, but don't like it when the other side tries to record the observers' plates.

[abbey1227]

Nov 2, 2022 3:09:11 GMT merh said:

Nov 1, 2022 23:42:37 GMT abbey1227 said:

Remember when people said it wasn't a big deal? 

Let's see.
The gang in Arizona are photographing/recording people & their license plates, but don't like it when the other side tries to record the observers' plates.

Let's see.............it ISN'T/WASN'T a big deal when people the Left support do things.

But it IS/WAS a big deal when those associated with the Right do similar things?

This is how a year's worth of riots and looting got swept under the rug........while Jan 6 is the end of democracy     Too bad only half the country even buys it. But division is the name of the game today, anyway

[merh]

Nov 2, 2022 5:15:03 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 2, 2022 3:09:11 GMT merh said:

Let's see.
The gang in Arizona are photographing/recording people & their license plates, but don't like it when the other side tries to record the observers' plates.

Let's see.............it ISN'T/WASN'T a big deal when people the Left support do things.

But it IS/WAS a big deal when those associated with the Right do similar things?

This is how a year's worth of riots and looting got swept under the rug........while Jan 6 is the end of democracy     Too bad only half the country even buys it. But division is the name of the game today, anyway

See, I heard the black panthers thing was widespread,  but it was apparently ONE polling spot in Pennsylvania. 

I didn't approve of it.
I want people to vote.

But it is interesting it was BAD when black people did it, but it's fine when conservatives do it.

...
The rioting in 2020 was not organized nor uniform.
It was different targets in different cities.
More random gatherings.

It took place in over 2000 cities in 60 countries, not just America. So the Democrats were organizing protests in Africa, Oceania,  South America, Hungary, Russia & Canada?

Over 14,000 were arrested.
Did they arrest 14,000 on January 6th?
Oh, yeah.
Most of them were allowed to leave, to go home.

[abbey1227]

Nov 2, 2022 5:49:54 GMT merh said:

See, I heard the black panthers thing was widespread,  but it was apparently ONE polling spot in Pennsylvania. 

I didn't approve of it.
I want people to vote.

But it is interesting it was BAD when black people did it, but it's fine when conservatives do it.

...
The rioting in 2020 was not organized nor uniform.
It was different targets in different cities.
More random gatherings.

It took place in over 2000 cities in 60 countries, not just America. So the Democrats were organizing protests in Africa, Oceania,  South America, Hungary, Russia & Canada?

Over 14,000 were arrested.
Did they arrest 14,000 on January 6th?
Oh, yeah.
Most of them were allowed to leave, to go home.

Now I've heard the issues with voting the last few elections were widespread, too.......yet the MSM tells me it's so very, very rare. Like abortion, perhaps? I kid

I've got issues with anyone blocking voters OR those seeking an abortion, too.........no matter what you believe.      I've heard of both things happening, observers are being denied access at polls. It happened locally here, too. But according, again, to the media, it's so very, very rare it should just be ignored.

Pre-made signs? U-Haul trucks? bricks? None of that seemed organized to you? mmmm-kay  Showing up to courthouses with grinding tools to try to get thru locked gates, wasn't either?

Copycats abound. People/criminals take advantage of opportunities. When the police are told to stand down, it's 'fricken Christmas' out there for opportunists. And not JUST Democrats.......our 'intelligence' community works for the Establishment. And yes, they have coordinated and funded uprisings and destabilizing in and out of the US. That's apparent by now, isn't it? You just told me they'd bury the Epstein list........would they let an embassy burn and an ambassador get killed tok eep certain secrets from getting out, too?

Exactly. No bail required. I'm sure most charges reduced or dismissed altogether. Slap on the wrist. Meanwhile older people with lives and families have been locked up for how long now? After merely wandering thru hte Capitol and taking photos/videos? Not vandalizing. Not threatening anyone. A few bad apples did, of course......charge them.

[Prometheus]

Nov 2, 2022 5:15:03 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 2, 2022 3:09:11 GMT merh said:

Let's see.
The gang in Arizona are photographing/recording people & their license plates, but don't like it when the other side tries to record the observers' plates.

Let's see.............it ISN'T/WASN'T a big deal when people the Left support do things.

But it IS/WAS a big deal when those associated with the Right do similar things?

This is how a year's worth of riots and looting got swept under the rug........while Jan 6 is the end of democracy     Too bad only half the country even buys it. But division is the name of the game today, anyway

Still trying to equate violence in neighborhoods you'd never go to with trying to subvert the Constitution of the United States of America?

THAT is why no one likes your ilk, Abs. You're hypocrites and racists.

[Prometheus]

Nov 2, 2022 6:10:02 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 2, 2022 5:49:54 GMT merh said:

See, I heard the black panthers thing was widespread,  but it was apparently ONE polling spot in Pennsylvania. 

I didn't approve of it.
I want people to vote.

But it is interesting it was BAD when black people did it, but it's fine when conservatives do it.

...
The rioting in 2020 was not organized nor uniform.
It was different targets in different cities.
More random gatherings.

It took place in over 2000 cities in 60 countries, not just America. So the Democrats were organizing protests in Africa, Oceania,  South America, Hungary, Russia & Canada?

Over 14,000 were arrested.
Did they arrest 14,000 on January 6th?
Oh, yeah.
Most of them were allowed to leave, to go home.

Now I've heard the issues with voting the last few elections were widespread, too.......yet the MSM tells me it's so very, very rare. Like abortion, perhaps? I kid

I've got issues with anyone blocking voters OR those seeking an abortion, too.........no matter what you believe.      I've heard of both things happening, observers are being denied access at polls. It happened locally here, too. But according, again, to the media, it's so very, very rare it should just be ignored.

Pre-made signs? U-Haul trucks? bricks? None of that seemed organized to you? mmmm-kay  Showing up to courthouses with grinding tools to try to get thru locked gates, wasn't either?

Copycats abound. People/criminals take advantage of opportunities. When the police are told to stand down, it's 'fricken Christmas' out there for opportunists. And not JUST Democrats.......our 'intelligence' community works for the Establishment. And yes, they have coordinated and funded uprisings and destabilizing in and out of the US. That's apparent by now, isn't it? You just told me they'd bury the Epstein list........would they let an embassy burn and an ambassador get killed tok eep certain secrets from getting out, too?

Exactly. No bail required. I'm sure most charges reduced or dismissed altogether. Slap on the wrist. Meanwhile older people with lives and families have been locked up for how long now? After merely wandering thru hte Capitol and taking photos/videos? Not vandalizing. Not threatening anyone. A few bad apples did, of course......charge them.

You actually hit on the exact reason we need bail reform: people locked up for god-awful long periods of time simply because they can't afford not to be.

I posted an update on the topic, but because it's John Oliver, you'll avoid getting edumacated.

[merh]

Looks like it worked

The order prohibits members of Clean Elections USA from carrying weapons or wearing body armor within 250 feet of drop boxes.

TEXT:

A federal judge in Phoenix issued a restraining order Tuesday night against a group that has been photographing and recording voters casting ballots at drop boxes in Arizona.

The order, issued by U.S. District Judge Michael Liburdi, prohibits Clean Elections USA from "openly" carrying weapons or "visibly wear body armor" within 250 feet of drop boxes. Liburdi's order also bars the group's members from taking photos, recording, following or yelling at voters within 75 feet of drop box locations.

Furthermore, he told the group's founder, Melody Jennings, to post a message to her account on Truth Social, former President Donald Trump's social media platform, that reads in part: “It is not always illegal to deposit multiple ballots in a ballot drop box. It is legal to deposit the ballot of a family member, household member, or person for whom you are the caregiver."

The group and its founder were accused of “intimidation and harassment” of voters as they dropped off their ballots in Maricopa County. The lawsuit was filed by the Arizona Alliance for Retired Americans and Voto Latino.

The restraining order was issued after a series of warnings about potential voter intimidation in the battleground state.

Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, who is running for governor, said last week that her office had referred six reports of possible voter intimidation to the state attorney general’s office and the U.S. Justice Department for further investigation after it received “several complaints” from voters reporting that they were recorded and that their license plates were photographed as they dropped off ballots.

Liburdi refused Friday to grant the restraining order requested by Arizona Alliance for Retired Americans and Voto Latino. He said at the time that “while this case certainly presents serious questions, the Court cannot craft an injunction without violating the First Amendment.”

“Plaintiffs have not provided the Court with any evidence that Defendants’ conduct constitutes a true threat,” Liburdi wrote last week.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/federal-judge-issues-restraining-order-group-monitoring-arizona-ballot-rcna55170

[merh]

Nov 2, 2022 6:10:02 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 2, 2022 5:49:54 GMT merh said:

See, I heard the black panthers thing was widespread,  but it was apparently ONE polling spot in Pennsylvania. 

I didn't approve of it.
I want people to vote.

But it is interesting it was BAD when black people did it, but it's fine when conservatives do it.

...
The rioting in 2020 was not organized nor uniform.
It was different targets in different cities.
More random gatherings.

It took place in over 2000 cities in 60 countries, not just America. So the Democrats were organizing protests in Africa, Oceania,  South America, Hungary, Russia & Canada?

Over 14,000 were arrested.
Did they arrest 14,000 on January 6th?
Oh, yeah.
Most of them were allowed to leave, to go home.

Now I've heard the issues with voting the last few elections were widespread, too.......yet the MSM tells me it's so very, very rare. Like abortion, perhaps? I kid

I've got issues with anyone blocking voters OR those seeking an abortion, too.........no matter what you believe.      I've heard of both things happening, observers are being denied access at polls. It happened locally here, too. But according, again, to the media, it's so very, very rare it should just be ignored.

Pre-made signs? U-Haul trucks? bricks? None of that seemed organized to you? mmmm-kay  Showing up to courthouses with grinding tools to try to get thru locked gates, wasn't either?

Copycats abound. People/criminals take advantage of opportunities. When the police are told to stand down, it's 'fricken Christmas' out there for opportunists. And not JUST Democrats.......our 'intelligence' community works for the Establishment. And yes, they have coordinated and funded uprisings and destabilizing in and out of the US. That's apparent by now, isn't it? You just told me they'd bury the Epstein list........would they let an embassy burn and an ambassador get killed tok eep certain secrets from getting out, too?

Exactly. No bail required. I'm sure most charges reduced or dismissed altogether. Slap on the wrist. Meanwhile older people with lives and families have been locked up for how long now? After merely wandering thru hte Capitol and taking photos/videos? Not vandalizing. Not threatening anyone. A few bad apples did, of course......charge them.

Pre made signs?
Nothing like building a gallows outside congress,right?

You can't make signs almost anywhere can you?

The CIA is evil & needs to go.
That whole thing...I read up on it once...wasn't the ambassador was supplying guns to some group for the CIA? That it wasn't the actual embassy, but a satellite one that was impossible to secure?

I would have to read up on it again.

Tha Capitol was locked.
They broke the doors to get in.
So it's cool to break into Disneyland & look around after hours?

[Prometheus]

Nov 4, 2022 1:02:26 GMT merh said:

Looks like it worked

The order prohibits members of Clean Elections USA from carrying weapons or wearing body armor within 250 feet of drop boxes.

TEXT:

A federal judge in Phoenix issued a restraining order Tuesday night against a group that has been photographing and recording voters casting ballots at drop boxes in Arizona.

The order, issued by U.S. District Judge Michael Liburdi, prohibits Clean Elections USA from "openly" carrying weapons or "visibly wear body armor" within 250 feet of drop boxes. Liburdi's order also bars the group's members from taking photos, recording, following or yelling at voters within 75 feet of drop box locations.

Furthermore, he told the group's founder, Melody Jennings, to post a message to her account on Truth Social, former President Donald Trump's social media platform, that reads in part: “It is not always illegal to deposit multiple ballots in a ballot drop box. It is legal to deposit the ballot of a family member, household member, or person for whom you are the caregiver."

The group and its founder were accused of “intimidation and harassment” of voters as they dropped off their ballots in Maricopa County. The lawsuit was filed by the Arizona Alliance for Retired Americans and Voto Latino.

The restraining order was issued after a series of warnings about potential voter intimidation in the battleground state.

Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, who is running for governor, said last week that her office had referred six reports of possible voter intimidation to the state attorney general’s office and the U.S. Justice Department for further investigation after it received “several complaints” from voters reporting that they were recorded and that their license plates were photographed as they dropped off ballots.

Liburdi refused Friday to grant the restraining order requested by Arizona Alliance for Retired Americans and Voto Latino. He said at the time that “while this case certainly presents serious questions, the Court cannot craft an injunction without violating the First Amendment.”

“Plaintiffs have not provided the Court with any evidence that Defendants’ conduct constitutes a true threat,” Liburdi wrote last week.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/federal-judge-issues-restraining-order-group-monitoring-arizona-ballot-rcna55170

Let's keep elections fair and legal!!!

[abbey1227]

Nov 4, 2022 1:09:05 GMT merh said:

Pre made signs?
Nothing like building a gallows outside congress,right?

You can't make signs almost anywhere can you?

The CIA is evil & needs to go.
That whole thing...I read up on it once...wasn't the ambassador was supplying guns to some group for the CIA? That it wasn't the actual embassy, but a satellite one that was impossible to secure?

I would have to read up on it again.

Tha Capitol was locked.
They broke the doors to get in.
So it's cool to break into Disneyland & look around after hours?

yeah, you can't see the difference between a hand written sign on a torn piece of cardboard..........and 100-1,000 identical printed signs affixed to handles and such?

IIRC, they didn't wanna give up their assets/weapons running ops simply because the ambassador and a few others were in danger. Leaves me wondering WHY we bother with so many people in enemy territories?

The cops waved them in. You figure they're keeping all those hundreds of hours of video footage locked down tight for a reason? It shows most of the people actually wandering peacefully around

[Prometheus]

Nov 4, 2022 1:29:58 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 4, 2022 1:09:05 GMT merh said:

Pre made signs?
Nothing like building a gallows outside congress,right?

You can't make signs almost anywhere can you?

The CIA is evil & needs to go.
That whole thing...I read up on it once...wasn't the ambassador was supplying guns to some group for the CIA? That it wasn't the actual embassy, but a satellite one that was impossible to secure?

I would have to read up on it again.

Tha Capitol was locked.
They broke the doors to get in.
So it's cool to break into Disneyland & look around after hours?

yeah, you can't see the difference between a hand written sign on a torn piece of cardboard..........and 100-1,000 identical printed signs affixed to handles and such?

IIRC, they didn't wanna give up their assets/weapons running ops simply because the ambassador and a few others were in danger. Leaves me wondering WHY we bother with so many people in enemy territories?

The cops waved them in. You figure they're keeping all those hundreds of hours of video footage locked down tight for a reason? It shows most of the people actually wandering peacefully around

And heeeeeeere's RAY!

[merh]

Nov 4, 2022 1:29:58 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 4, 2022 1:09:05 GMT merh said:

Pre made signs?
Nothing like building a gallows outside congress,right?

You can't make signs almost anywhere can you?

The CIA is evil & needs to go.
That whole thing...I read up on it once...wasn't the ambassador was supplying guns to some group for the CIA? That it wasn't the actual embassy, but a satellite one that was impossible to secure?

I would have to read up on it again.

Tha Capitol was locked.
They broke the doors to get in.
So it's cool to break into Disneyland & look around after hours?

yeah, you can't see the difference between a hand written sign on a torn piece of cardboard..........and 100-1,000 identical printed signs affixed to handles and such?

IIRC, they didn't wanna give up their assets/weapons running ops simply because the ambassador and a few others were in danger. Leaves me wondering WHY we bother with so many people in enemy territories?

The cops waved them in. You figure they're keeping all those hundreds of hours of video footage locked down tight for a reason? It shows most of the people actually wandering peacefully around

I'm sorry.

I MEANT I can get as many PROFESSIONALLY PRINTED SIGNS AS I DESIRE at DOZENS of print shops in town.

I can get silkscreen shirts made up as well.

Sorry print shops don't exist in Wisconsin.

Despite persistent accusations against President Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Susan Rice, ten investigations—six by Republican-controlled Congressional Committees—did not find that they or any other high-ranking Obama administration officials had acted improperly. Four career State Department officials were criticized for denying requests for additional security at the facility prior to the attack. Eric J. Boswell, the Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security, resigned under pressure, while three others were suspended. In her role as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton subsequently took responsibility for the security lapses.

No.
Maybe at one spot they were "waved in" but they most assuredly broke through doors in other places.

There were worries some officers & secret Service were sympathetic,  but overall,  no, they were not.

They entered without permission at several points in the building.

[Prometheus]

Nov 5, 2022 1:43:58 GMT merh said:

Nov 4, 2022 1:29:58 GMT abbey1227 said:

yeah, you can't see the difference between a hand written sign on a torn piece of cardboard..........and 100-1,000 identical printed signs affixed to handles and such?

IIRC, they didn't wanna give up their assets/weapons running ops simply because the ambassador and a few others were in danger. Leaves me wondering WHY we bother with so many people in enemy territories?

The cops waved them in. You figure they're keeping all those hundreds of hours of video footage locked down tight for a reason? It shows most of the people actually wandering peacefully around

I'm sorry.

I MEANT I can get as many PROFESSIONALLY PRINTED SIGNS AS I DESIRE at DOZENS of print shops in town.

I can get silkscreen shirts made up as well.

Sorry print shops don't exist in Wisconsin.

Despite persistent accusations against President Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Susan Rice, ten investigations—six by Republican-controlled Congressional Committees—did not find that they or any other high-ranking Obama administration officials had acted improperly. Four career State Department officials were criticized for denying requests for additional security at the facility prior to the attack. Eric J. Boswell, the Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security, resigned under pressure, while three others were suspended. In her role as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton subsequently took responsibility for the security lapses.

No.
Maybe at one spot they were "waved in" but they most assuredly broke through doors in other places.

There were worries some officers & secret Service were sympathetic,  but overall,  no, they were not.

They entered without permission at several points in the building.

I'm pretty sure, Abbey works at one....

[abbey1227]

Nov 5, 2022 1:43:58 GMT merh said:

I'm sorry.

I MEANT I can get as many PROFESSIONALLY PRINTED SIGNS AS I DESIRE at DOZENS of print shops in town.

I can get silkscreen shirts made up as well.

Sorry print shops don't exist in Wisconsin.

Despite persistent accusations against President Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Susan Rice, ten investigations—six by Republican-controlled Congressional Committees—did not find that they or any other high-ranking Obama administration officials had acted improperly.

No.
Maybe at one spot they were "waved in" but they most assuredly broke through doors in other places.
There were worries some officers & secret Service were sympathetic,  but overall,  no, they were not.
They entered without permission at several points in the building.

And after you've gotten your signs and shirts printed off.........don't you have to show some kind of organizational skills in order to get them dispersed out to hundreds/thousands of other people?

Hundreds of hours of footage being kept from people showing what really went down at every entrance and corridor. Very select footage meant to uphold the narrative being pushed. Sorta like how we still haven't seen the body cam footage from the Pelosi house.

[merh]

Nov 5, 2022 11:54:07 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 5, 2022 1:43:58 GMT merh said:

I'm sorry.

I MEANT I can get as many PROFESSIONALLY PRINTED SIGNS AS I DESIRE at DOZENS of print shops in town.

I can get silkscreen shirts made up as well.

Sorry print shops don't exist in Wisconsin.




No.
Maybe at one spot they were "waved in" but they most assuredly broke through doors in other places.
There were worries some officers & secret Service were sympathetic,  but overall,  no, they were not.
They entered without permission at several points in the building.

And after you've gotten your signs and shirts printed off.........don't you have to show some kind of organizational skills in order to get them dispersed out to hundreds/thousands of other people?

Hundreds of hours of footage being kept from people showing what really went down at every entrance and corridor. Very select footage meant to uphold the narrative being pushed. Sorta like how we still haven't seen the body cam footage from the Pelosi house.

Apparently the home is monitored by Capitol Police who weren't paying attention.

Might explain why Nancy didn't have a private security company covering the home.