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[abbey1227]

Miami Herald
State pays millions to company employing undocumented workers linked to deputy’s death
Ana Ceballos    Thu, October 27, 2022 at 5:08 PM

Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration has paid more than $8 million to a construction contractor since authorities found it had hired several undocumented workers — including two men who have been charged in connection with the death of a Pinellas County deputy.

The state contractor, Archer Western-De Moya Joint Venture, has a standing contract with the Florida Department of Transportation to do work on the Gateway Expressway in the Tampa Bay area. Records show the payments, which are part of a multi-year half-billion dollar contract, have not stopped since the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office announced the findings.

Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said at a press conference in September that the contractor had hired “a bunch” of undocumented immigrants and that it would be up to the state and the federal government to address the issue with the company.

The investigation into the death of Deputy Michael Hartwick remains ongoing, with the Department of Transportation and its contractor both saying they are cooperating with law enforcement.
A highway construction mishap resulted in the death of 51-year-old Pinellas County Sheriff’s Deputy Michael Hartwick, who has been with the department 19 years, Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said.


“The company is cooperating fully with law enforcement without reprimand,” Peter Glimco, a spokesman with Archer Western-De Moya Joint Venture, said in a response to questions on Thursday.

In a statement to the Herald/Times, the state agency defended the contractor.

“The Florida Department of Transportation and its contractors follow strict hiring procedures including all federal and state laws. This is true here,” the statement read.

The state agency also said the vendor complied with an immigration law DeSantis championed in 2020 that sought to crack down on undocumented labor in the state. That law requires all public employers and their contractors to register with and use the federal E-Verify system, run by the Department of Homeland Security, to confirm that all new hires are legally authorized to work in the United States.

“Compliant hiring procedures were followed including a federal E-Verify clearance check and the individual in question passed this federal clearance. The Department continues to support law enforcement efforts and investigations related to this case,” the state agency told the Herald/Times.

Glimco said state and federal hiring guidelines were followed and that both individuals arrested were “processed and authorized for employment through the federal E-Verify system.”

“The company continues to follow federal and state employment guidelines and in no way attempted to circumvent the law to hire unauthorized individuals,” he said. “We are continuing to investigate the events that led to the company being defrauded in the hiring of these individuals.”

The Department of Homeland Security, the agency that run the E-Verify system, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Employers who use the government’s E-Verify electronic system are able to check documents provided by new hires against Social Security Administration and Department of Homeland Security records. A mismatch with the records would suggest a person is not authorized to work in the country.

The system has improved in accuracy over the years by allowing employers to match a photo in the E-Verify system with a document presented by a new employee.

Errors can still occur due to imperfect data on the federal database. Some groups have challenged requirements to use E-Verify due to the database containing errors, which they argued could even cost legal workers their jobs. According to a 2013 survey, though, 92% of E-Verify users thought the tool was effective and accurate.
DeSantis brings light to the case

DeSantis has drawn attention to the criminal case to amplify his hard-line stance on immigration, a top tier issue for him as he seeks re-election on Nov. 8 and flirts with a potential run for the White House in 2024.

“We just had a sheriff’s deputy from Pinellas County killed by a twice-deported illegal alien who came across the border illegally six months ago. I didn’t hear any of the outrage about that,” DeSantis said during the first and only gubernatorial debate when his Democratic opponent, Charlie Crist, criticized the governor’s migrant relocation plan.

DeSantis did not mention the state continues to do business with the contractor that employed the suspect.

The De Moya Group, which is listed as a partner in the contract, contributed $32,500 to DeSantis’ political action committee, Friend of Ron DeSantis, during the 2022 election cycle, according to campaign finance records.

It is not the first time that the governor’s office and the Department of Transportation have come under scrutiny because undocumented workers were hired to do work on behalf of the state.

The Miami Herald reported last week that a Venezuelan migrant unable to legally work in the United States was paid to coordinate DeSantis’ migrant flight program, putting the Republican governor’s high-profile political gambit in conflict with his long-standing push to crack down on undocumented labor.


‘It was all bogus’

At a press conference last month, Gualtieri said Juan Ariel Molina-Salles, 32, was among those hired by the state contractor.

“This guy entered the country illegally on Oct. 25 of 2021 in Eagle Pass, Texas. He was turned around by the border patrol and sent back to Mexico. There is no record of him ever legally coming back into the United States, and he is here illegally,” he said. “He has been here in the Tampa Bay area since March of this year.”

Molina-Salles was driving a large front loader with fork lifts, the type used to move concrete barriers, when he hit Hartwick and killed him instantly, Gualtieri said.

The 32-year-old kept driving and before running away from the scene, gave his construction helmet and vest to a coworker, also an undocumented worker who hid Molina-Salles’ things in a wooded area.

Molina-Salles hid from law enforcement and sparked a nine-hour manhunt. He was eventually found with the help of bloodhounds who sniffed his discarded items and used that scent to find him hiding behind some brush, Gualtieri said. He was arrested and charged with leaving the scene of an accident involving death. His co-worker was also taken into custody, charged with being an accessory after the fact.

Gualtieri questioned the hiring practices of the contractors after the investigation found several undocumented workers on the job. In particular, he questioned why the contractor would allow someone with a fake ID and no driver’s license to operate machinery.

“It was all bogus. And they accept that and they allow this guy to get behind the wheel? Really?” Gualtieri said in September.

Glimco, the spokesman for Archer Western–de Moya Joint Venture, said the construction equipment Molina-Salles was operating does not require a driver’s license under Florida law.
‘He shouldn’t have died this way’

The sheriff was also upset at how the investigation was slowed because so may undocumented workers were hesitant to give law enforcement their real names.

“They are all out there lying and giving us fake names, fake IDs. A lot of fake IDs out of North Carolina and it really frustrated this investigation,” Gualtieri said.

Hardwick, a deputy with 19 years of experience, arrived at the scene on the night of Sept. 23 to ensure construction workers along Interstate 275 were safe from traffic.

He parked his cruiser along the highway with his emergency equipment on and was standing on the shoulder of the road when he was hit by the front loader being driven by Molina-Salles.

“He shouldn’t have died this way,” Gualtieri said.

www.yahoo.com/news/state-pays-millions-company-employing-220807467.html

Gotta love it...........they try to spin it as a Negative against DeSantis........while they're perfectly fine with Illegals and open borders themselves?  

[Prometheus]

It IS a negative against DeSenseless. He's continuing to work with a give TAXPAYER money to a company that has VIOLATED THE LAW. Funny how you: MR. LAW & ORDER, can always overlook violations of the law when committed by YOUR TEAM.


And you still don't understand the term, "Open Borders." None of you moronic, racist pricks seem to be able understand basic English beyond your Trumpanzee slogans. "They want open borders!" is just one more racist dog whistle you fucktards use to identify yourselves to each other.

"Gotta keep those brown people out... unless they work for Governor DeSantis... or we can ship them north to "own some libs!" Herpaderp. Ahilk!"

Meanwhile, your boy Donnie and his son-in-law haven't gotten rich selling unvetted green cards to entire families.

If you anti-intellectual miscreants were more stupid, we'd have to come up with a new term to describe you special brand of idiocy.

Oh wait. Abbey's "done with me" because I got him to admit that his Drumpfuhrer holds culpability for the January 6th insurrection when the people - that Abbey loves - tried to stage a coup in the USA.

[merh]

Oct 29, 2022 2:01:42 GMT abbey1227 said:

Miami Herald
State pays millions to company employing undocumented workers linked to deputy’s death
Ana Ceballos    Thu, October 27, 2022 at 5:08 PM

Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration has paid more than $8 million to a construction contractor since authorities found it had hired several undocumented workers — including two men who have been charged in connection with the death of a Pinellas County deputy.

The state contractor, Archer Western-De Moya Joint Venture, has a standing contract with the Florida Department of Transportation to do work on the Gateway Expressway in the Tampa Bay area. Records show the payments, which are part of a multi-year half-billion dollar contract, have not stopped since the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office announced the findings.

Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said at a press conference in September that the contractor had hired “a bunch” of undocumented immigrants and that it would be up to the state and the federal government to address the issue with the company.

The investigation into the death of Deputy Michael Hartwick remains ongoing, with the Department of Transportation and its contractor both saying they are cooperating with law enforcement.
A highway construction mishap resulted in the death of 51-year-old Pinellas County Sheriff’s Deputy Michael Hartwick, who has been with the department 19 years, Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said.


“The company is cooperating fully with law enforcement without reprimand,” Peter Glimco, a spokesman with Archer Western-De Moya Joint Venture, said in a response to questions on Thursday.

In a statement to the Herald/Times, the state agency defended the contractor.

“The Florida Department of Transportation and its contractors follow strict hiring procedures including all federal and state laws. This is true here,” the statement read.

The state agency also said the vendor complied with an immigration law DeSantis championed in 2020 that sought to crack down on undocumented labor in the state. That law requires all public employers and their contractors to register with and use the federal E-Verify system, run by the Department of Homeland Security, to confirm that all new hires are legally authorized to work in the United States.

“Compliant hiring procedures were followed including a federal E-Verify clearance check and the individual in question passed this federal clearance. The Department continues to support law enforcement efforts and investigations related to this case,” the state agency told the Herald/Times.

Glimco said state and federal hiring guidelines were followed and that both individuals arrested were “processed and authorized for employment through the federal E-Verify system.”

“The company continues to follow federal and state employment guidelines and in no way attempted to circumvent the law to hire unauthorized individuals,” he said. “We are continuing to investigate the events that led to the company being defrauded in the hiring of these individuals.”

The Department of Homeland Security, the agency that run the E-Verify system, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Employers who use the government’s E-Verify electronic system are able to check documents provided by new hires against Social Security Administration and Department of Homeland Security records. A mismatch with the records would suggest a person is not authorized to work in the country.

The system has improved in accuracy over the years by allowing employers to match a photo in the E-Verify system with a document presented by a new employee.

Errors can still occur due to imperfect data on the federal database. Some groups have challenged requirements to use E-Verify due to the database containing errors, which they argued could even cost legal workers their jobs. According to a 2013 survey, though, 92% of E-Verify users thought the tool was effective and accurate.
DeSantis brings light to the case

DeSantis has drawn attention to the criminal case to amplify his hard-line stance on immigration, a top tier issue for him as he seeks re-election on Nov. 8 and flirts with a potential run for the White House in 2024.

“We just had a sheriff’s deputy from Pinellas County killed by a twice-deported illegal alien who came across the border illegally six months ago. I didn’t hear any of the outrage about that,” DeSantis said during the first and only gubernatorial debate when his Democratic opponent, Charlie Crist, criticized the governor’s migrant relocation plan.

DeSantis did not mention the state continues to do business with the contractor that employed the suspect.

The De Moya Group, which is listed as a partner in the contract, contributed $32,500 to DeSantis’ political action committee, Friend of Ron DeSantis, during the 2022 election cycle, according to campaign finance records.

It is not the first time that the governor’s office and the Department of Transportation have come under scrutiny because undocumented workers were hired to do work on behalf of the state.

The Miami Herald reported last week that a Venezuelan migrant unable to legally work in the United States was paid to coordinate DeSantis’ migrant flight program, putting the Republican governor’s high-profile political gambit in conflict with his long-standing push to crack down on undocumented labor.


‘It was all bogus’

At a press conference last month, Gualtieri said Juan Ariel Molina-Salles, 32, was among those hired by the state contractor.

“This guy entered the country illegally on Oct. 25 of 2021 in Eagle Pass, Texas. He was turned around by the border patrol and sent back to Mexico. There is no record of him ever legally coming back into the United States, and he is here illegally,” he said. “He has been here in the Tampa Bay area since March of this year.”

Molina-Salles was driving a large front loader with fork lifts, the type used to move concrete barriers, when he hit Hartwick and killed him instantly, Gualtieri said.

The 32-year-old kept driving and before running away from the scene, gave his construction helmet and vest to a coworker, also an undocumented worker who hid Molina-Salles’ things in a wooded area.

Molina-Salles hid from law enforcement and sparked a nine-hour manhunt. He was eventually found with the help of bloodhounds who sniffed his discarded items and used that scent to find him hiding behind some brush, Gualtieri said. He was arrested and charged with leaving the scene of an accident involving death. His co-worker was also taken into custody, charged with being an accessory after the fact.

Gualtieri questioned the hiring practices of the contractors after the investigation found several undocumented workers on the job. In particular, he questioned why the contractor would allow someone with a fake ID and no driver’s license to operate machinery.

“It was all bogus. And they accept that and they allow this guy to get behind the wheel? Really?” Gualtieri said in September.

Glimco, the spokesman for Archer Western–de Moya Joint Venture, said the construction equipment Molina-Salles was operating does not require a driver’s license under Florida law.
‘He shouldn’t have died this way’

The sheriff was also upset at how the investigation was slowed because so may undocumented workers were hesitant to give law enforcement their real names.

“They are all out there lying and giving us fake names, fake IDs. A lot of fake IDs out of North Carolina and it really frustrated this investigation,” Gualtieri said.

Hardwick, a deputy with 19 years of experience, arrived at the scene on the night of Sept. 23 to ensure construction workers along Interstate 275 were safe from traffic.

He parked his cruiser along the highway with his emergency equipment on and was standing on the shoulder of the road when he was hit by the front loader being driven by Molina-Salles.

“He shouldn’t have died this way,” Gualtieri said.

www.yahoo.com/news/state-pays-millions-company-employing-220807467.html

Gotta love it...........they try to spin it as a Negative against DeSantis........while they're perfectly fine with Illegals and open borders themselves?  

Florida state government hires undocumented workers?

I told you that deport means they watch them walk across the border.

Our cops have no authority in another country.
Their authority ends at our side of the border.
One supposes they could hire bounty hunters to take them deeper into the country...

I want them to fine employers $10,000 per undocumented worker on their payroll.

Hell I used to say double it for every additional undocumented worker & start at $100,000. Make it bankrupting to hire them so no one will want to.

E-Verify tells the employer the number doesn't match. The employer can hire the person anyway. Many do.

North Carolina?
Is that like States with tough gun laws complaining the states next to them with lax gun laws are flooding their states with guns?

[abbey1227]

Oct 29, 2022 9:01:39 GMT merh said:

Florida state government hires undocumented workers?

I told you that deport means they watch them walk across the border.

Our cops have no authority in another country.
Their authority ends at our side of the border.
One supposes they could hire bounty hunters to take them deeper into the country...

I want them to fine employers $10,000 per undocumented worker on their payroll.

Hell I used to say double it for every additional undocumented worker & start at $100,000. Make it bankrupting to hire them so no one will want to.

E-Verify tells the employer the number doesn't match. The employer can hire the person anyway. Many do.

North Carolina?
Is that like States with tough gun laws complaining the states next to them with lax gun laws are flooding their states with guns?

IF there's no ACTUAL punishment for the Illegals..........why punish the employers? Especially when e-Verify fails as it did here?

The gun laws are much stricter and better enforced than immigration........there should be no doubt there

[Prometheus]

Oct 29, 2022 11:41:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 29, 2022 9:01:39 GMT merh said:

Florida state government hires undocumented workers?

I told you that deport means they watch them walk across the border.

Our cops have no authority in another country.
Their authority ends at our side of the border.
One supposes they could hire bounty hunters to take them deeper into the country...

I want them to fine employers $10,000 per undocumented worker on their payroll.

Hell I used to say double it for every additional undocumented worker & start at $100,000. Make it bankrupting to hire them so no one will want to.

E-Verify tells the employer the number doesn't match. The employer can hire the person anyway. Many do.

North Carolina?
Is that like States with tough gun laws complaining the states next to them with lax gun laws are flooding their states with guns?

IF there's no ACTUAL punishment for the Illegals..........why punish the employers? Especially when e-Verify fails as it did here?

The gun laws are much stricter and better enforced than immigration........there should be no doubt there

Why are you so hung up on e-Verify? Lemme guess: it was created by "libs," right? If the employer has any doubt, they can just not hire the worker. Hell. if they're a good citizen worried about illegals trying to steal jobs from "real Americans" they can contact ICE (or whatever they're called these days) and help set up a sting.

Since they didn't go the "law & order" route, I think it's safe to posit that they knew they people they were hiring were illegals... and maybe that their books need to be checked for other "irregularities."

We might even want to check to see how much they donated to DeSenseless lately.

If the state were blue and the governor a Dem, YOU'd be saying the same, exact, fucking thing and you fucking know it.

[merh]

Oct 29, 2022 11:41:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 29, 2022 9:01:39 GMT merh said:

Florida state government hires undocumented workers?

I told you that deport means they watch them walk across the border.

Our cops have no authority in another country.
Their authority ends at our side of the border.
One supposes they could hire bounty hunters to take them deeper into the country...

I want them to fine employers $10,000 per undocumented worker on their payroll.

Hell I used to say double it for every additional undocumented worker & start at $100,000. Make it bankrupting to hire them so no one will want to.

E-Verify tells the employer the number doesn't match. The employer can hire the person anyway. Many do.

North Carolina?
Is that like States with tough gun laws complaining the states next to them with lax gun laws are flooding their states with guns?

IF there's no ACTUAL punishment for the Illegals..........why punish the employers? Especially when e-Verify fails as it did here?

The gun laws are much stricter and better enforced than immigration........there should be no doubt there

YOUR ARTICLE says 

According to a 2013 survey, though, 92% of E-Verify users thought the tool was effective and accurate.

If the employers didn't hire them, they would go home like they did during the 2008 crash. We had negative migration for a couple years because people who were here already left because they couldn't find work

[abbey1227]

Oct 30, 2022 0:50:32 GMT merh said:

Oct 29, 2022 11:41:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

IF there's no ACTUAL punishment for the Illegals..........why punish the employers? Especially when e-Verify fails as it did here?

The gun laws are much stricter and better enforced than immigration........there should be no doubt there

YOUR ARTICLE says 

According to a 2013 survey, though, 92% of E-Verify users thought the tool was effective and accurate.

If the employers didn't hire them, they would go home like they did during the 2008 crash. We had negative migration for a couple years because people who were here already left because they couldn't find work

Great, they thought it worked well. Yet there was a crew with e-verify background checks done.  Musta been part of that tiny 8%, huh?

Maybe that's what Build Back Better is about? discouraging Illegals? Maybe even forcing many Americans to flee? 

[Prometheus]

Oct 30, 2022 0:50:32 GMT merh said:

Oct 29, 2022 11:41:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

IF there's no ACTUAL punishment for the Illegals..........why punish the employers? Especially when e-Verify fails as it did here?

The gun laws are much stricter and better enforced than immigration........there should be no doubt there

YOUR ARTICLE says 

According to a 2013 survey, though, 92% of E-Verify users thought the tool was effective and accurate.

If the employers didn't hire them, they would go home like they did during the 2008 crash. We had negative migration for a couple years because people who were here already left because they couldn't find work

You mean, when there's no incentive to make money, people won't come looking for work? 'Magine that!

I haven't read past this post I'm quoting but I'll guess Abbey has an excuse for that as well....

[Prometheus]

Oct 30, 2022 1:52:44 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 30, 2022 0:50:32 GMT merh said:

YOUR ARTICLE says 

If the employers didn't hire them, they would go home like they did during the 2008 crash. We had negative migration for a couple years because people who were here already left because they couldn't find work

Great, they thought it worked well. Yet there was a crew with e-verify background checks done.  Musta been part of that tiny 8%, huh?

Maybe that's what Build Back Better is about? discouraging Illegals? Maybe even forcing many Americans to flee? 

See? He's putting e-Verify all on libs. THAT is why he doesn't like it.

Baby and bathwater time.....

[merh]

Oct 29, 2022 13:50:16 GMT Prometheus said:

Oct 29, 2022 11:41:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

IF there's no ACTUAL punishment for the Illegals..........why punish the employers? Especially when e-Verify fails as it did here?

The gun laws are much stricter and better enforced than immigration........there should be no doubt there

Why are you so hung up on e-Verify? Lemme guess: it was created by "libs," right? If the employer has any doubt, they can just not hire the worker. Hell. if they're a good citizen worried about illegals trying to steal jobs from "real Americans" they can contact ICE (or whatever they're called these days) and help set up a sting.

Since they didn't go the "law & order" route, I think it's safe to posit that they knew they people they were hiring were illegals... and maybe that their books need to be checked for other "irregularities."

We might even want to check to see how much they donated to DeSenseless lately.

If the state were blue and the governor a Dem, YOU'd be saying the same, exact, fucking thing and you fucking know it.

It was part of Reagan's amnesty thing.
Grant amnesty to the undocumented already here.
Tighten up immigration 
E-Verify was all we got 

The program was originally established in 1997 as the Basic Pilot Program along with two other programs created to prevent undocumented immigrants from getting jobs. The others were discontinued. In the two years since Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) finalized the regulations for electronically storing and/or generating I-9 records there has also been a steady increase in the number of administrative I-9 audits – where employers are asked to deliver their I-9 records to ICE within 72 hours for inspection. The United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Verification Division reported that over 16,000 E-Verify compliance letters were issued in Fiscal Year 2010. Another 13,000 letters and over 26,000 emails were sent to employers in Fiscal Year 2011. Additionally, another 23,000 e-mails were sent in the first half of Fiscal Year 2012, alone.[

He doesn't like it because it puts the burden on the "job creators"

We are all job creators.
When I shop, I an buying the service of those employees serving me while I am.there. 
If I didn't shop, the company wouldn't make money & the employees would lose their jobs.

[merh]

Oct 30, 2022 1:52:44 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 30, 2022 0:50:32 GMT merh said:

YOUR ARTICLE says 

If the employers didn't hire them, they would go home like they did during the 2008 crash. We had negative migration for a couple years because people who were here already left because they couldn't find work

Great, they thought it worked well. Yet there was a crew with e-verify background checks done.  Musta been part of that tiny 8%, huh?

Maybe that's what Build Back Better is about? discouraging Illegals? Maybe even forcing many Americans to flee? 

The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986—signed into law by President Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986—granted amnesty to about 3 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

A controversial issue in the United States is whether undocumented immigrants should be granted some form of amnesty. It is proposed that undocumented immigrants be able to come forward and immediately receive probationary status. California Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger said an amnesty program like the one the federal government undertook in 1986 would be ill-advised today. "It backfired big-time. It sent the wrong message: You come here illegally, and then we go and give you amnesty. So then, the next million come and they say, 'Hey, we get amnesty, this is really terrific'."

Republican, wasn't he?

Oh, look

The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA or the Simpson–Mazzoli Act) was passed by the 99th United States Congress and signed into law by U.S. President Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986.

The Immigration Reform and Control Act altered U.S. immigration law by making it illegal to hire illegal immigrants knowingly and establishing financial and other penalties for companies that employed illegal immigrants. The act also legalized most undocumented immigrants who had arrived in the country prior to January 1, 1982

So as long as you play the "I didn't know!" Game, you are safe.

Legislative history
Introduced in the Senate as S. 1200 by Alan Simpson (R–WY) on May 23, 1985
Committee consideration by Senate Judiciary, Senate Budget
Passed the Senate on September 19, 1985 (69–30)
Passed the House on October 9, 1986 (voice vote after incorporating H.R. 3810, passed 230–166)
Reported by the joint conference committee on October 14, 1986; agreed to by the House on October 15, 1986 (238–173) and by the Senate on October 17, 1986 (63–24)
Signed into law by President Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986

Romano L. Mazzoli was a Democratic Representative from Kentucky and Alan K. Simpson was a Republican Senator from Wyoming who chaired their respective immigration subcommittees in Congress. Their effort was assisted by the recommendations of the bipartisan Commission on Immigration Reform, chaired by Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, then President of the University of Notre Dame.

These sanctions would apply only to employers who had more than three employees and did not make a sufficient effort to determine the legal status of their workers.

The first Simpson–Mazzoli Bill was reported out of the House and Senate Judiciary Committees. The bill failed to be received by the House, but civil rights advocates were concerned over the potential for abuse and discrimination against Hispanics and growers' groups rallied for additional provisions for foreign labor; the United States Chamber of Commerce persistently opposed sanctions against employers. The second Simpson–Mazzoli Bill eventually reached both chambers in 1985 but fell down on the cost issue in the conference committee. That year was a major turning point for attempts to change. Workplace resistance to workplace fines started to subside, partially owing to the law's "affirmative protection" provision, which expressly freed employers from the duty to verify the validity of workers' records.

Yet E-Verify started in 1996?
10 fricken years?

[Prometheus]

Oct 30, 2022 17:18:22 GMT merh said:

Oct 29, 2022 13:50:16 GMT Prometheus said:

Why are you so hung up on e-Verify? Lemme guess: it was created by "libs," right? If the employer has any doubt, they can just not hire the worker. Hell. if they're a good citizen worried about illegals trying to steal jobs from "real Americans" they can contact ICE (or whatever they're called these days) and help set up a sting.

Since they didn't go the "law & order" route, I think it's safe to posit that they knew they people they were hiring were illegals... and maybe that their books need to be checked for other "irregularities."

We might even want to check to see how much they donated to DeSenseless lately.

If the state were blue and the governor a Dem, YOU'd be saying the same, exact, fucking thing and you fucking know it.

It was part of Reagan's amnesty thing.
Grant amnesty to the undocumented already here.
Tighten up immigration 
E-Verify was all we got 

The program was originally established in 1997 as the Basic Pilot Program along with two other programs created to prevent undocumented immigrants from getting jobs. The others were discontinued. In the two years since Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) finalized the regulations for electronically storing and/or generating I-9 records there has also been a steady increase in the number of administrative I-9 audits – where employers are asked to deliver their I-9 records to ICE within 72 hours for inspection. The United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Verification Division reported that over 16,000 E-Verify compliance letters were issued in Fiscal Year 2010. Another 13,000 letters and over 26,000 emails were sent to employers in Fiscal Year 2011. Additionally, another 23,000 e-mails were sent in the first half of Fiscal Year 2012, alone.[

He doesn't like it because it pits the burden on the "job creators"

We are all job creators.
When I shop, I an buying the service of those employees serving me while I am.there. 
If I didn't shop, the company wouldn't make money & the employees would lose their jobs.

1. It goes all the way back to Ronnie Raygun? I'm sure it was a perfect solution "until the filthy libs got their hands on it! "

2 & 3 Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! Abbey hates being reminded of exactly how much the country relies on everyone's consumerism... even by the ones who pay no taxes for whatever reason.

[abbey1227]

Oct 30, 2022 17:28:03 GMT merh said:

Republican, wasn't he?

Oh, look

So as long as you play the "I didn't know!" Game, you are safe.Yet E-Verify started in 1996?
10 fricken years?

I'm well aware old man Reagan got conned into that amnesty deal, merh. Either he was naive.........or complicit along with many other Republicans. Don't care. They weren't doing what most Americans, and legal immigrants by the way, want done.

e-verify is as big a sham as most other govt policies, imo   What good does yet another agency, law, program do?........if nobody in charge actually wants to abide by it?

[Prometheus]

Oct 31, 2022 8:46:54 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 30, 2022 17:28:03 GMT merh said:

Republican, wasn't he?

Oh, look

So as long as you play the "I didn't know!" Game, you are safe.Yet E-Verify started in 1996?
10 fricken years?

I'm well aware old man Reagan got conned into that amnesty deal, merh. Either he was naive.........or complicit along with many other Republicans. Don't care. They weren't doing what most Americans, and legal immigrants by the way, want done.

e-verify is as big a sham as most other govt policies, imo   What good does yet another agency, law, program do?........if nobody in charge actually wants to abide by it?

I called it!

[merh]

Oct 31, 2022 8:46:54 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 30, 2022 17:28:03 GMT merh said:

Republican, wasn't he?

Oh, look

So as long as you play the "I didn't know!" Game, you are safe.Yet E-Verify started in 1996?
10 fricken years?

I'm well aware old man Reagan got conned into that amnesty deal, merh. Either he was naive.........or complicit along with many other Republicans. Don't care. They weren't doing what most Americans, and legal immigrants by the way, want done.

e-verify is as big a sham as most other govt policies, imo   What good does yet another agency, law, program do?........if nobody in charge actually wants to abide by it?

No, dude.
Ronnie was very much behind it.

Reagan executive action

The Immigration Reform and Control Act did not address the status of children of undocumented migrants who were eligible for the amnesty program. In 1987, Reagan used his executive authority to legalize the status of minor children of parents granted amnesty under the immigration overhaul,announcing a blanket deferral of deportation for children under 18 who were living in a two-parent household with both parents legalizing or with a single parent who was legalizing. That action affected an estimated 100,000 families.

So you are "blame the prostitute, not the john"
If the people weren't here, employers wouldn't hire them, otherwise don't dare harm the poor innocent employers.

[abbey1227]

Oct 31, 2022 14:32:49 GMT merh said:

Oct 31, 2022 8:46:54 GMT abbey1227 said:

I'm well aware old man Reagan got conned into that amnesty deal, merh. Either he was naive.........or complicit along with many other Republicans. Don't care. They weren't doing what most Americans, and legal immigrants by the way, want done.

e-verify is as big a sham as most other govt policies, imo   What good does yet another agency, law, program do?........if nobody in charge actually wants to abide by it?

No, dude.
Ronnie was very much behind it.

Reagan executive action

The Immigration Reform and Control Act did not address the status of children of undocumented migrants who were eligible for the amnesty program. In 1987, Reagan used his executive authority to legalize the status of minor children of parents granted amnesty under the immigration overhaul,announcing a blanket deferral of deportation for children under 18 who were living in a two-parent household with both parents legalizing or with a single parent who was legalizing. That action affected an estimated 100,000 families.

So you are "blame the prostitute, not the john"
If the people weren't here, employers wouldn't hire them, otherwise don't dare harm the poor innocent employers.

Then add him to the very long list of Republicans who went against what their voters actually wanted.........again.

I don't blame the prostitute........ I blame the law making prostitution illegal. Makes no sense when you can give it away for free.

If the people weren't here, how would the Govt give them handouts? Oh, yeah.....foreign aid.

[Prometheus]

Oct 31, 2022 21:25:26 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 31, 2022 14:32:49 GMT merh said:

No, dude.
Ronnie was very much behind it.

So you are "blame the prostitute, not the john"
If the people weren't here, employers wouldn't hire them, otherwise don't dare harm the poor innocent employers.

Then add him to the very long list of Republicans who went against what their voters actually wanted.........again.

I don't blame the prostitute........ I blame the law making prostitution illegal. Makes no sense when you can give it away for free.

If the people weren't here, how would the Govt give them handouts? Oh, yeah.....foreign aid.

The process at Ellis Island could talk a couple days from when you got of the ship that brought you to the island and the ferry that took you to the main island, but you were a citizen for that second trip. You didn't have to wait for years and there was no criminal background check and healthcare was provided for free... for white immigrants.

It was the same for other immigrant intake centers, but then we started getting all exclusionary because too many of the immigrants weren't quite white enough and not quite law-abiding enough - we knew because their cousin's best friend's brother back home in the "old country" once stole an apple from a street vendor (because he was homeless and hungry) which was enough to say that the entire population of said "old country) were a bunch of criminals.

That's not to say that no criminals ever made it through. the existence of the today's organized crime is a testament to our poor immigration screening (a little) and our poor treatment of immigrants (biggest problem)... and those are the white folk. We treated the blacks, browns, and yellows far worse and wondered aloud why they didn't seem to love us.

I'm sure that Abbey sees the white criminal element as being "entrepreneurial" while the criminals of other colors were just "base defilers of our great and glorious country!"

I wonder if Daniel Day Lewis studied his method for Gangs of New York with Abbey.... But I digress....

As for "foreign aid," Abbey seems to think that building good will with other nations is a bad idea... at least as long as those countries are filled with people of the wrong color, ideological position, or religion. Two months ago, Abbey's country of heritage - Italy - would have been far to "liberal" for Abbey to consider even giving paper towel rolls to, but now that they are led by the ideological descendant of Il Duce, if they were to experience a natural disaster, Abbey might even pack his own work boots and hard hat for a trip over to help them.

In all honesty, I think we give out too much in foreign aid. That is, we give out aid that isn't for relief of a natural disaster that requires immediate assistance. I don't like the idea of constantly giving aid to areas where the food or other resources never make it to the people who need it. Otherwise, we'd need to intervene militarily and then we'd end up with another Kosovo or Mogadishu situation.

Foreign aid is a tightrope balancing act that weighs heavily on the minds of those who need to engage in it, I'm sure.

It doesn't weigh heavily on the minds of people like Abbey who pretty much have it sorted out: "What color are they? What religion are they? What natural resources can they give us in exchange?"

Sometimes I wish I could be so cold-hearted... but I'm not a Trumpanzee or Q-Anon fucktard. I'm a human being. I'd even try to save Abbey if he were drowning even though I know all he'd do in the reverse situation is hand me a cinder block.

[merh]

Nov 1, 2022 0:55:23 GMT Prometheus said:

Oct 31, 2022 21:25:26 GMT abbey1227 said:

Then add him to the very long list of Republicans who went against what their voters actually wanted.........again.

I don't blame the prostitute........ I blame the law making prostitution illegal. Makes no sense when you can give it away for free.

If the people weren't here, how would the Govt give them handouts? Oh, yeah.....foreign aid.

The process at Ellis Island could talk a couple days from when you got of the ship that brought you to the island and the ferry that took you to the main island, but you were a citizen for that second trip. You didn't have to wait for years and there was no criminal background check and healthcare was provided for free... for white immigrants.

It was the same for other immigrant intake centers, but then we started getting all exclusionary because too many of the immigrants weren't quite white enough and not quite law-abiding enough - we knew because their cousin's best friend's brother back home in the "old country" once stole an apple from a street vendor (because he was homeless and hungry) which was enough to say that the entire population of said "old country) were a bunch of criminals.

That's not to say that no criminals ever made it through. the existence of the today's organized crime is a testament to our poor immigration screening (a little) and our poor treatment of immigrants (biggest problem)... and those are the white folk. We treated the blacks, browns, and yellows far worse and wondered aloud why they didn't seem to love us.

I'm sure that Abbey sees the white criminal element as being "entrepreneurial" while the criminals of other colors were just "base defilers of our great and glorious country!"

I wonder if Daniel Day Lewis studied his method for Gangs of New York with Abbey.... But I digress....

As for "foreign aid," Abbey seems to think that building good will with other nations is a bad idea... at least as long as those countries are filled with people of the wrong color, ideological position, or religion. Two months ago, Abbey's country of heritage - Italy - would have been far to "liberal" for Abbey to consider even giving paper towel rolls to, but now that they are led by the ideological descendant of Il Duce, if they were to experience a natural disaster, Abbey might even pack his own work boots and hard hat for a trip over to help them.

In all honesty, I think we give out too much in foreign aid. That is, we give out aid that isn't for relief of a natural disaster that requires immediate assistance. I don't like the idea of constantly giving aid to areas where the food or other resources never make it to the people who need it. Otherwise, we'd need to intervene militarily and then we'd end up with another Kosovo or Mogadishu situation.

Foreign aid is a tightrope balancing act that weighs heavily on the minds of those who need to engage in it, I'm sure.

It doesn't weigh heavily on the minds of people like Abbey who pretty much have it sorted out: "What color are they? What religion are they? What natural resources can they give us in exchange?"

Sometimes I wish I could be so cold-hearted... but I'm not a Trumpanzee or Q-Anon fucktard. I'm a human being. I'd even try to save Abbey if he were drowning even though I know all he'd do in the reverse situation is hand me a cinder block.

He buys into they are coming here to get welfare.
Which explains that obsession he has with it being handed out. Forget the largest percentage of recipients are white.

So his ire isn't at at actual foreign aid in this instance but at those people not paying taxes in all those undocumented people collecting welfare.

I think we pay too much in foreign aid as well. I was told it's basically buying friends

[merh]

Oct 31, 2022 21:25:26 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 31, 2022 14:32:49 GMT merh said:

No, dude.
Ronnie was very much behind it.

So you are "blame the prostitute, not the john"
If the people weren't here, employers wouldn't hire them, otherwise don't dare harm the poor innocent employers.

Then add him to the very long list of Republicans who went against what their voters actually wanted.........again.

I don't blame the prostitute........ I blame the law making prostitution illegal. Makes no sense when you can give it away for free.

If the people weren't here, how would the Govt give them handouts? Oh, yeah.....foreign aid.

So you want to make crossing the border not illegal?

You blame the law making prostitution illegal
So eliminate the law?
Same for undocumented workers coming here to do work Americans won't (field hands) gladly accept work other employers offer for more pay & less back-breaking conditions.

They are obviously forcing those poor, innocent employers to hire them!

[abbey1227]

Nov 1, 2022 5:59:17 GMT merh said:

Oct 31, 2022 21:25:26 GMT abbey1227 said:

Then add him to the very long list of Republicans who went against what their voters actually wanted.........again.

I don't blame the prostitute........ I blame the law making prostitution illegal. Makes no sense when you can give it away for free.

If the people weren't here, how would the Govt give them handouts? Oh, yeah.....foreign aid.

So you want to make crossing the border not illegal?

You blame the law making prostitution illegal
So eliminate the law?
Same for undocumented workers coming here to do work Americans won't (field hands) gladly accept work other employers offer for more pay & less back-breaking conditions.

They are obviously forcing those poor, innocent employers to hire them!

Too late...........your party already has. 

I'm merely pointing out you can give it away for free..........why is it then a problem to collect a little money? Should they list themselves as Non-Profits?

If they refuse to enforce the laws, then I would appreciate a bit of honesty and them eliminating the law. They did it with Prohibition (in most places anyway)

We're obviously allowing millions to avoid working certain jobs with all the handouts. As Milton pointed out decades ago, we're not doing them any favors. We're certainly not doing the tax payers any.