Covid origins in US?

[Prometheus]

sg.style.yahoo.com/backlash-major-covid-origins-report-224414305.html

Backlash as major Covid origins report suggests virus could have leaked from a US lab

The Lancet is facing a backlash after a major Covid-19 Commission report suggested the disease may have leaked from a laboratory in the United States.

Published on Wednesday, the paper said it remains “feasible” that Sars-Cov-2 emerged from either a natural spillover or a laboratory incident, and called for the introduction of more safeguards to reduce the risk of either eventuality.

But the report, the result of two years of work, also suggested American researchers could be culpable. As well as mentioning facilities in Wuhan, it noted that “independent researchers have not yet investigated” US labs, and said the National Institutes of Health has “resisted disclosing details” of its work.

The report comes as controversy swirls the commission chair, the economist Prof Jeffrey Sachs.

At a conference in Madrid earlier this year, he said he was “pretty convinced” that Sars-Cov-2 “came out of a US lab of biotechnology, not out of nature” – a claim that has since been widely promoted by Chinese diplomats.

In August, Prof Sachs also appeared on a podcast hosted by Robert F Kennedy, Jr – one of the world’s most prominent anti-vaccine commentators – to discuss his beliefs, just days after Instagram and Facebook suspended an account led by Mr Kennedy for repeatedly sharing what the platforms said was Covid misinformation, especially around vaccines
‘Shameful moment’ for Lancet

Experts said Prof Sachs actions have overshadowed much of the robust research and recommendations within the 58-page report, and criticised the Lancet for resisting calls to remove him.

“Sachs’ appearance on RFK Jr’s podcast… undermines the seriousness of the Lancet Commission’s mission to the point of completely negating it,” said Prof Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization in Canada.

“This may be one of the Lancet’s most shameful moments regarding its role as a steward and leader in communicating crucial findings about science and medicine,” she said, adding that she was “pretty shocked at how flagrantly” the report ignores key evidence on Covid origins.

Prof David Robertson, director of the University of Glasgow’s Centre for Virus Research, added: “It’s really disappointing to see such a potentially influential report contributing to further misinformation on such an important topic.”

“It’s true we’ve details to understand on the side of natural origins, for example the exact intermediate species involved, but that doesn’t mean there’s… any basis to the wild speculation that US labs were involved,” he added.

When approached by the Telegraph, Prof Sachs stood by his previous comments, adding that he personally “oversaw this part of the work” on the emergence of Sars-Cov-2. Last summer he disbanded an initial task force led by Dr Peter Daszak amid concerns it was too biased towards the natural origin hypothesis.

It was never re-formed, but Prof Sachs said commissioners had “consulted widely and met with a number of scientists”.

“Everybody has signed off on the final text. The question of a possible laboratory release mostly involves the question of US-China joint work that was underway on Sars-like viruses,” he said.

But Prof Peter Hotez, a member of the Lancet Commission and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at the Baylor College of Medicine in Texas, said there had been “diverse views” and that he had “pushed hard on removing” mention of US labs in the report because it was “a distraction”.

He added that he had been “speechless” when Prof Sachs appeared on Mr Kennedy’s podcast.

Discussion around the origins of Sars-Cov-2 was only a small element of the report, and experts said the rest of the paper was based on robust research.

The report found the Covax scheme was hampered by science policy and implementation failures, warned most countries still lack “meaningful” pandemic preparedness plans, stressed that more needed to be done to combat vaccine hesitancy globally, and noted the “striking… irresponsibility of several influential political leaders”.

It also criticised the World Health Organization for acting too slowly in the early days of the pandemic, suggesting it “repeatedly erred on the side of reserve rather than boldness” – for instance around the delay in calling a public health emergency, and a “hesitancy” to confirm Covid could spread through airborne transmission.

The UN health agency also “fell victim to the increasing tensions between the United States and China”, the commissioners warned, adding that better international collaboration will be key to prevent epidemics becoming pandemics in future.

The researchers analysed the varying approaches to the disease around the world, too. The Western Pacific “stands out for its very low average mortality rate,” possibly as the region’s experience of the Sars epidemic in 2003 had left it better prepared to tackle new pathogens.

The approach in North and South America was a “stark” contrast, the report said, and a high mortality rate “reflects the failures of this region to take concrete measures to suppress the epidemic, and high vulnerability to deaths from Covid-19 due to structural characteristics”.

Meanwhile in Europe, governments aimed “only to slow the transmission of the virus”, rather than suppress the pandemic. The commissioners suggested countries were repeatedly pushed into stringent lockdows as measures were completely rescinded too quickly, allowing new waves of disease to hit.

The Commission made 11 recommendations, including stronger regulation of the wild animal trade, the creation of a new WHO biosecurity oversight authority, better international coordination in the face of infectious diseases, and a new $60 billion a year Global Health Fund to support health systems and pandemic preparedness in lower income countries.

A spokesperson for the Lancet said that the publication had, in collaboration with Prof Sachs, “regularly evaluated the work of each Task Force as scientific evidence about Covid-19 evolved, to ensure that the final peer-reviewed report will provide valuable new insights to support a coordinated, global response to Covid-19 as well as to prevent future pandemics and contain future disease outbreaks.”

Weird. It's OK to blame Fauci, The CDC, The NIH, and the WHO for working with Chinese labs but it's not OK to suggest that "the experts" fucked up IN the US? Only yellow people can make mistakes?

[abbey1227]

It'd be like the 'Spanish' Flu all over again, huh?


Personally....... I'm not blaming the color of anyone's skin for this so called pandemic. The NIH/US Govt is every bit as responsible as the Wuhan Lab because THEY were funding it.

It's sorta like claiming you got rid of slavery in your country.....meanwhile you're using child labor and prisoner workforces in other countries for pennies an hour?

[Prometheus]

Sept 15, 2022 13:13:36 GMT abbey1227 said:

It'd be like the 'Spanish' Flu all over again, huh?


Personally....... I'm not blaming the color of anyone's skin for this so called pandemic. The NIH/US Govt is every bit as responsible as the Wuhan Lab because THEY were funding it.

It's sorta like claiming you got rid of slavery in your country.....meanwhile you're using child labor and prisoner workforces in other countries for pennies an hour?

1. How so?

2. If you and your wife are both paying for a car and she hits and kills someone with that car, are YOU guilty of vehicular manslaughter?

3. 

[abbey1227]

Sept 15, 2022 22:37:18 GMT Prometheus said:

Sept 15, 2022 13:13:36 GMT abbey1227 said:

It'd be like the 'Spanish' Flu all over again, huh?


Personally....... I'm not blaming the color of anyone's skin for this so called pandemic. The NIH/US Govt is every bit as responsible as the Wuhan Lab because THEY were funding it.

It's sorta like claiming you got rid of slavery in your country.....meanwhile you're using child labor and prisoner workforces in other countries for pennies an hour?

1. How so?

2. If you and your wife are both paying for a car and she hits and kills someone with that car, are YOU guilty of vehicular manslaughter?

1. IIRC, they called it Spanish to deflect blame onto another place and people..........but knew it wasn't true.

2. If my wife was driving illegally and I knew it, I'd be guilty of aiding and abetting her. Just as Fauci & Co were paying for 'research' that has been banned in many places. Yeah, those intellectuals and science never backfire, right?

[Prometheus]

Sept 16, 2022 2:11:14 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 15, 2022 22:37:18 GMT Prometheus said:

1. How so?

2. If you and your wife are both paying for a car and she hits and kills someone with that car, are YOU guilty of vehicular manslaughter?

1. IIRC, they called it Spanish to deflect blame onto another place and people..........but knew it wasn't true.

2. If my wife was driving illegally and I knew it, I'd be guilty of aiding and abetting her. Just as Fauci & Co were paying for 'research' that has been banned in many places. Yeah, those intellectuals and science never backfire, right?

1. Like Donnie and his pals repeating, "Chinese flu"; "Kung flu"; etc.?

2. And yet that's not how our legal system works, otherwise we'd all be in jail for something someone else did.

Grow a fucking brain!

[abbey1227]

Sept 16, 2022 8:18:26 GMT Prometheus said:

1. Like Donnie and his pals repeating, "Chinese flu"; "Kung flu"; etc.?

2. And yet that's not how our legal system works, otherwise we'd all be in jail for something someone else did.

Grow a fucking brain!

1. It seemed accurate to me.

2. No, only those with no money and no political connections would be charged. We all know how those others slide

[Prometheus]

Sept 16, 2022 12:26:43 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 16, 2022 8:18:26 GMT Prometheus said:

1. Like Donnie and his pals repeating, "Chinese flu"; "Kung flu"; etc.?

2. And yet that's not how our legal system works, otherwise we'd all be in jail for something someone else did.

Grow a fucking brain!

1. It seemed accurate to me.

2. No, only those with no money and no political connections would be charged. We all know how those others slide

1. And yet you just pointed out how people used the term "Spanish Flu" simply as an insult to the people of Spain.

Sorry, Abs, but if you can't even stay consistent in your arguments in the course of two posts what makes you think anything you say has any value except as a target for mockery?

2. And yet one post ago you said it was a good thing.

[abbey1227]

Sept 16, 2022 23:04:10 GMT Prometheus said:

Sept 16, 2022 12:26:43 GMT abbey1227 said:

1. It seemed accurate to me.

2. No, only those with no money and no political connections would be charged. We all know how those others slide

1. And yet you just pointed out how people used the term "Spanish Flu" simply as an insult to the people of Spain.

Sorry, Abs, but if you can't even stay consistent in your arguments in the course of two posts what makes you think anything you say has any value except as a target for mockery?

2. And yet one post ago you said it was a good thing.

1. I took it more as a way of deflecting blame onto others, rather than insulting Spaniards.

2. I said WHAT was a good thing? Fauci & Co breaking the law? Risking lives? Being careless? You're so worried yellow people are being blamed for anything, but if they have orange skin, you're totally onboard? Willy Wonka would be so disappointed in you.

[Prometheus]

Sept 16, 2022 23:42:52 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 16, 2022 23:04:10 GMT Prometheus said:

1. And yet you just pointed out how people used the term "Spanish Flu" simply as an insult to the people of Spain.

Sorry, Abs, but if you can't even stay consistent in your arguments in the course of two posts what makes you think anything you say has any value except as a target for mockery?

2. And yet one post ago you said it was a good thing.

1. I took it more as a way of deflecting blame onto others, rather than insulting Spaniards.

2. I said WHAT was a good thing? Fauci & Co breaking the law? Risking lives? Being careless? You're so worried yellow people are being blamed for anything, but if they have orange skin, you're totally onboard? Willy Wonka would be so disappointed in you.

1. But that's not it at all. It was called Spanish Flu as an insult to Spain for remaining neutral during the First World War. There's actually some evidence that the epidemic actually started in the US.

2. So it's OK to suggest that Covid-19 actually started in the US? Good to know since THAT is the topic of the thread, Horace.

And I never blamed Donnie or any of you orange-shirted MAGAts for creating Covid... only for not handling it correctly.

Words have meanings. It would be nice if you stopped trying to switch their meanings all the time, snowflake.

[abbey1227]

Sept 17, 2022 1:14:42 GMT Prometheus said:

Sept 16, 2022 23:42:52 GMT abbey1227 said:

1. I took it more as a way of deflecting blame onto others, rather than insulting Spaniards.

2. I said WHAT was a good thing? Fauci & Co breaking the law? Risking lives? Being careless? You're so worried yellow people are being blamed for anything, but if they have orange skin, you're totally onboard? Willy Wonka would be so disappointed in you.

1. But that's not it at all. It was called Spanish Flu as an insult to Spain for remaining neutral during the First World War. There's actually some evidence that the epidemic actually started in the US.

2. So it's OK to suggest that Covid-19 actually started in the US? Good to know since THAT is the topic of the thread, Horace.

And I never blamed Donnie or any of you orange-shirted MAGAts for creating Covid... only for not handling it correctly.

Words have meanings. It would be nice if you stopped trying to switch their meanings all the time, snowflake.

1. I didn't hear the part about their neutrality.........but I had heard they were blamed when those in charge of the narrative knew it wasn't true. So our media has a very, very long history of outright lying.

2. It's OK to suggest it, claim it, believe it, argue about it. Unlike covid in general which we all saw was NOT OK to discuss online without the approved and heavily censored narrative.

Monday morning quarterbacking. Pure and simple. You won't even give an inch when it turns out many of us were right all along that what Fauci & Co were pushing turned out to be folly from the start. I'm STILL laughing at videos of Biden and Kamala stating they wouldn't take the vaccine if Trump and his actions came out with one BEFORE the election. But since the Big Pharma companies waited until just days AFTER the election, now they're fully onboard and even calling for 5th Boosters now?  pfffft

It's the world we live in now. Words and meanings are flexible........especially when you factor in politics

[abbey1227]

Sept 17, 2022 1:14:42 GMT Prometheus said:

2. So it's OK to suggest that Covid-19 actually started in the US? Good to know since THAT is the topic of the thread, Horace.

And I never blamed Donnie or any of you orange-shirted MAGAts for creating Covid... only for not handling it correctly.

Words have meanings. It would be nice if you stopped trying to switch their meanings all the time, snowflake.

and what a timely headline...........even from a tax payer supported source you'd approve of.............

Public Health
Scientists debate how lethal COVID is. Some say it's now less risky than flu

September 16, 20225:08 AM ET

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Remember how that would have gotten people BANNED from online sites back a few years ago?

But Mission Accomplished. They got the election result they wanted.

THAT's why it's worth $Billions spent to get someone elected

[Prometheus]

Sept 17, 2022 1:29:33 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 17, 2022 1:14:42 GMT Prometheus said:

1. But that's not it at all. It was called Spanish Flu as an insult to Spain for remaining neutral during the First World War. There's actually some evidence that the epidemic actually started in the US.

2. So it's OK to suggest that Covid-19 actually started in the US? Good to know since THAT is the topic of the thread, Horace.

And I never blamed Donnie or any of you orange-shirted MAGAts for creating Covid... only for not handling it correctly.

Words have meanings. It would be nice if you stopped trying to switch their meanings all the time, snowflake.

1. I didn't hear the part about their neutrality.........but I had heard they were blamed when those in charge of the narrative knew it wasn't true. So our media has a very, very long history of outright lying.

2. It's OK to suggest it, claim it, believe it, argue about it. Unlike covid in general which we all saw was NOT OK to discuss online without the approved and heavily censored narrative.

Monday morning quarterbacking. Pure and simple. You won't even give an inch when it turns out many of us were right all along that what Fauci & Co were pushing turned out to be folly from the start. I'm STILL laughing at videos of Biden and Kamala stating they wouldn't take the vaccine if Trump and his actions came out with one BEFORE the election. But since the Big Pharma companies waited until just days AFTER the election, now they're fully onboard and even calling for 5th Boosters now?  pfffft

It's the world we live in now. Words and meanings are flexible........especially when you factor in politics

1. So does Donald Trump and his advisors. How many of them have been put on trial and convicted at this point?

2. Discussing it is OK. Making claims that could lead others to endangering their own health is wrong.

3. I've never made any claims about Fauci except that he was walking the balance beam in order to keep his job. I've always maintained that if people had just followed rules: wash/mask/distance, general lockdowns wouldn't have been necessary and lives would have been saved... which has been proven in places where people followed the rules.

4. Funny. Trumpanzees used to be so proud of Operation Warp Speed or whatever it was called... until they lost the election and the same vaccination they loved became the "POS vaccination being pushed on us by Democrats!"

5. If you don't like that they are flexible, stop twisting them to suit your own agenda.

[abbey1227]

Sept 17, 2022 1:55:09 GMT Prometheus said:

4. Funny. Trumpanzees used to be so proud of Operation Warp Speed or whatever it was called... until they lost the election and the same vaccination they loved became the "POS vaccination being pushed on us by Democrats!"

Proud? Of being able to bring to market a product the Left said couldn't be done in so short a time?

Certainly not supporting MANDATING vaccinations in order to keep ones job or attending school.

I still remembering the lying c*cksucking teachers that demanded they have first access in order to get schools opened........then reneging and insisting NOW it had to be all the kids shot up first.......and not just high schoolers and college kids, but all the way down to the LEAST in danger, the very, very young. More of that science following, I guess.

But you view it how you wish..........and I'll do the same

[Prometheus]

Sept 17, 2022 2:02:08 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 17, 2022 1:55:09 GMT Prometheus said:

4. Funny. Trumpanzees used to be so proud of Operation Warp Speed or whatever it was called... until they lost the election and the same vaccination they loved became the "POS vaccination being pushed on us by Democrats!"

Proud? Of being able to bring to market a product the Left said couldn't be done in so short a time?

Certainly not supporting MANDATING vaccinations in order to keep ones job or attending school.

I still remembering the lying c*cksucking teachers that demanded they have first access in order to get schools opened........then reneging and insisting NOW it had to be all the kids shot up first.......and not just high schoolers and college kids, but all the way down to the LEAST in danger, the very, very young. More of that science following, I guess.

But you view it how you wish..........and I'll do the same

1. So you are proud of the vaccination that none of you seem like you want to take. That's what I said.

2. What's the sense of a vaccination aimed at saving lives if you aren't going to use it to save lives?

3. Yeah. How dare those teachers try to protect themselves and everyone else!

4. I'm sure you'll continue to see it whichever way allows you to hate the most people possible in order to maintain your sense of superiority over them.

[abbey1227]

Sept 17, 2022 2:10:26 GMT Prometheus said:

Sept 17, 2022 2:02:08 GMT abbey1227 said:

Proud? Of being able to bring to market a product the Left said couldn't be done in so short a time?

Certainly not supporting MANDATING vaccinations in order to keep ones job or attending school.

I still remembering the lying c*cksucking teachers that demanded they have first access in order to get schools opened........then reneging and insisting NOW it had to be all the kids shot up first.......and not just high schoolers and college kids, but all the way down to the LEAST in danger, the very, very young. More of that science following, I guess.

But you view it how you wish..........and I'll do the same

1. So you are proud of the vaccination that none of you seem like you want to take. That's what I said.

2. What's the sense of a vaccination aimed at saving lives if you aren't going to use it to save lives?

3. Yeah. How dare those teachers try to protect themselves and everyone else!

4. I'm sure you'll continue to see it whichever way allows you to hate the most people possible in order to maintain your sense of superiority over them.

1. The pride only comes in showing up the doubters. The doubters who said they'd never take that vaccine if it showed up. I look forward to the late nite lawyer commercials in the future after side effects start showing up, too. Approximately 80% of the country has taken the vaccine.....so this notion that all GOPers refuse it is silly. Trump himself took it and pushes it. Not that he'd ever be given any positive credit for completing the task or pushing the drug. Orange Man always bad.

2. What's the point in having the United States and it's Constitution if you just wanna throw it all away in favor of being more like the rest of the world?

3. The vast majority could be replaced tomorrow with recordings and video screens..........as I pointed out years ago and was mocked for. Then came covid and suddenly remote teaching was all the rage. 

4. The same sort of superiority that comes from being an expert or a teacher or a collectivist? How evolved.

[Prometheus]

Sept 17, 2022 2:18:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 17, 2022 2:10:26 GMT Prometheus said:

1. So you are proud of the vaccination that none of you seem like you want to take. That's what I said.

2. What's the sense of a vaccination aimed at saving lives if you aren't going to use it to save lives?

3. Yeah. How dare those teachers try to protect themselves and everyone else!

4. I'm sure you'll continue to see it whichever way allows you to hate the most people possible in order to maintain your sense of superiority over them.

1. The pride only comes in showing up the doubters. The doubters who said they'd never take that vaccine if it showed up. I look forward to the late nite lawyer commercials in the future after side effects start showing up, too. Approximately 80% of the country has taken the vaccine.....so this notion that all GOPers refuse it is silly. Trump himself took it and pushes it. Not that he'd ever be given any positive credit for completing the task or pushing the drug. Orange Man always bad.

2. What's the point in having the United States and it's Constitution if you just wanna throw it all away in favor of being more like the rest of the world?

3. The vast majority could be replaced tomorrow with recordings and video screens..........as I pointed out years ago and was mocked for. Then came covid and suddenly remote teaching was all the rage. 

4. The same sort of superiority that comes from being an expert or a teacher or a collectivist? How evolved.

1. I think it's important to be clear. 79% have had one dose (85% if you want to believe the CDC). Only about 68% have had both doses. And only about 33% have received a booster.

Of the people who have not received full vaccination (respondents could give multiple reasons), 42.4% of them don't trust the vaccine... period. Does that sound like the Democrats? 35.4% simply don't trust the government. That sounds like you and your GOP buddies. 31.8% simply don't believe a vaccine is necessary. Again, that sounds like you and your ilk. 22.4% don't think Covid is a threat. Jeezus, it's like reading your posts looking at these numbers.

Some 75% of the unvaccinated have a high school diploma or less. That is to say that the unvaccinated tend to be poorly educated. Trump loves those people.

2. "Promote the General Welfare." To many, that phrase means, "do things that keep the majority of the populace safe."

3. "Remote teaching" and "watching recordings" are two very different things. The fact that you can't tell the difference is proof of why Donnie loves you people.

4. Once again, you prove that you don't understand the meanings of the words "expert" or "collectivist."

[abbey1227]

Sept 17, 2022 9:57:42 GMT Prometheus said:

Sept 17, 2022 2:18:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

1. The pride only comes in showing up the doubters. The doubters who said they'd never take that vaccine if it showed up. I look forward to the late nite lawyer commercials in the future after side effects start showing up, too. Approximately 80% of the country has taken the vaccine.....so this notion that all GOPers refuse it is silly. Trump himself took it and pushes it. Not that he'd ever be given any positive credit for completing the task or pushing the drug. Orange Man always bad.

2. What's the point in having the United States and it's Constitution if you just wanna throw it all away in favor of being more like the rest of the world?

3. The vast majority could be replaced tomorrow with recordings and video screens..........as I pointed out years ago and was mocked for. Then came covid and suddenly remote teaching was all the rage. 

4. The same sort of superiority that comes from being an expert or a teacher or a collectivist? How evolved.

1. I think it's important to be clear. 79% have had one dose (85% if you want to believe the CDC). Only about 68% have had both doses. And only about 33% have received a booster.

Of the people who have not received full vaccination (respondents could give multiple reasons), 42.4% of them don't trust the vaccine... period. Does that sound like the Democrats? 35.4% simply don't trust the government. That sounds like you and your GOP buddies. 31.8% simply don't believe a vaccine is necessary. Again, that sounds like you and your ilk. 22.4% don't think Covid is a threat. Jeezus, it's like reading your posts looking at these numbers.

Some 75% of the unvaccinated have a high school diploma or less. That is to say that the unvaccinated tend to be poorly educated. Trump loves those people.

2. "Promote the General Welfare." To many, that phrase means, "do things that keep the majority of the populace safe."

3. "Remote teaching" and "watching recordings" are two very different things. The fact that you can't tell the difference is proof of why Donnie loves you people.

4. Once again, you prove that you don't understand the meanings of the words "expert" or "collectivist."

1. How many vaccines have needed a booster to your recollection?  Do you really question why just 33% went back for more? The science of herd immunity is obsolete now, is it?

I'd think a good 1/3 of the country is Independent........and from what any rational person has seen over the last 3 years, they shouldn't trust the Govt either.

I have had covid........ I think I'll be fine without a shot. Thanks anyway.

You college grads love tossing out those 'poorly educated' references, don't you? Cuz the last few waves of college grads are so superior and able to manage their own lives?   Meanwhile what percentage of them were begging for a loan bailout?

2. And to people like me it simply means 'promote it'........as in offer useful advice and information. But provide tax dollars? Never.

3. Yeah, you changed your tune real quick once the schools got shut down.

4. That's your opinion.......the opinion of an expert collectivist.

[Prometheus]

Sept 17, 2022 12:36:15 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 17, 2022 9:57:42 GMT Prometheus said:

1. I think it's important to be clear. 79% have had one dose (85% if you want to believe the CDC). Only about 68% have had both doses. And only about 33% have received a booster.

Of the people who have not received full vaccination (respondents could give multiple reasons), 42.4% of them don't trust the vaccine... period. Does that sound like the Democrats? 35.4% simply don't trust the government. That sounds like you and your GOP buddies. 31.8% simply don't believe a vaccine is necessary. Again, that sounds like you and your ilk. 22.4% don't think Covid is a threat. Jeezus, it's like reading your posts looking at these numbers.

Some 75% of the unvaccinated have a high school diploma or less. That is to say that the unvaccinated tend to be poorly educated. Trump loves those people.

2. "Promote the General Welfare." To many, that phrase means, "do things that keep the majority of the populace safe."

3. "Remote teaching" and "watching recordings" are two very different things. The fact that you can't tell the difference is proof of why Donnie loves you people.

4. Once again, you prove that you don't understand the meanings of the words "expert" or "collectivist."

1. How many vaccines have needed a booster to your recollection?  Do you really question why just 33% went back for more? The science of herd immunity is obsolete now, is it?

I'd think a good 1/3 of the country is Independent........and from what any rational person has seen over the last 3 years, they shouldn't trust the Govt either.

I have had covid........ I think I'll be fine without a shot. Thanks anyway.

You college grads love tossing out those 'poorly educated' references, don't you? Cuz the last few waves of college grads are so superior and able to manage their own lives?   Meanwhile what percentage of them were begging for a loan bailout?

2. And to people like me it simply means 'promote it'........as in offer useful advice and information. But provide tax dollars? Never.

3. Yeah, you changed your tune real quick once the schools got shut down.

4. That's your opinion.......the opinion of an expert collectivist.

1. All of them if you are going to be traveling to an area where a particular disease is present at a sufficient level. That's why you have to "get your shots" before traveling to certain places.

2. And when the advice is ignored to a sufficient level, other measures must be taken.

3. I did? Post the evidence. Post a quote from me saying that remote learning is bad. There have been a number of colleges doing it for a couple decades.

4. Yup. I belong to the collective known as "the human race."

[abbey1227]

Sept 17, 2022 22:42:07 GMT Prometheus said:

Sept 17, 2022 12:36:15 GMT abbey1227 said:

1. How many vaccines have needed a booster to your recollection?  Do you really question why just 33% went back for more? The science of herd immunity is obsolete now, is it?

I'd think a good 1/3 of the country is Independent........and from what any rational person has seen over the last 3 years, they shouldn't trust the Govt either.

I have had covid........ I think I'll be fine without a shot. Thanks anyway.

You college grads love tossing out those 'poorly educated' references, don't you? Cuz the last few waves of college grads are so superior and able to manage their own lives?   Meanwhile what percentage of them were begging for a loan bailout?

2. And to people like me it simply means 'promote it'........as in offer useful advice and information. But provide tax dollars? Never.

3. Yeah, you changed your tune real quick once the schools got shut down.

4. That's your opinion.......the opinion of an expert collectivist.

1. All of them if you are going to be traveling to an area where a particular disease is present at a sufficient level. That's why you have to "get your shots" before traveling to certain places.

2. And when the advice is ignored to a sufficient level, other measures must be taken.

3. I did? Post the evidence. Post a quote from me saying that remote learning is bad. There have been a number of colleges doing it for a couple decades.

4. Yup. I belong to the collective known as "the human race."

3. You said it wouldn't work.......then went on to insist a person in the room was required. While I was willing to give you that sometimes a bit more personal tutoring is helpful, in most cases these days? AFTER they've trained all the kids to use smart phones and computers?

4. And you wonder why I take issue with you?

[Prometheus]

Sept 18, 2022 2:36:23 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 17, 2022 22:42:07 GMT Prometheus said:

1. All of them if you are going to be traveling to an area where a particular disease is present at a sufficient level. That's why you have to "get your shots" before traveling to certain places.

2. And when the advice is ignored to a sufficient level, other measures must be taken.

3. I did? Post the evidence. Post a quote from me saying that remote learning is bad. There have been a number of colleges doing it for a couple decades.

4. Yup. I belong to the collective known as "the human race."

3. You said it wouldn't work.......then went on to insist a person in the room was required. While I was willing to give you that sometimes a bit more personal tutoring is helpful, in most cases these days? AFTER they've trained all the kids to use smart phones and computers?

4. And you wonder why I take issue with you?

3. You're conflating. "Watching videos" is NOT the same as remote learning where a teacher is present to correct mistakes and answer questions.

I said that I prefer being in the class because I find it more fun.

Listen to what is being said rather than hearing what you want to hear.

4. Your collective of Reptilians had your chance and you blew it.