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Post by Prometheus on Mar 10, 2021 6:09:15 GMT
and he should be.
Is anyone actually surprised that the Georgia GOP is scrambling to repress voting rights in Georgia?
Of course not.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 10, 2021 6:13:03 GMT
and he should be.
Is anyone actually surprised that the Georgia GOP is scrambling to repress voting rights in Georgia?
Of course not.
No, I get the impression they've been doing that, one way or another, since black people got the vote. |
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Post by Prometheus on Mar 10, 2021 6:59:41 GMT
and he should be.
Is anyone actually surprised that the Georgia GOP is scrambling to repress voting rights in Georgia?
Of course not.
No, I get the impression they've been doing that, one way or another, since black people got the vote. They have but they really lost ground in the past election with so many absentee ballots being cast. And of course, that's exactly what they're trying to stop before the midterms. |
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 10, 2021 7:06:45 GMT
No, I get the impression they've been doing that, one way or another, since black people got the vote. They have but they really lost ground in the past election with so many absentee ballots being cast. And of course, that's exactly what they're trying to stop before the midterms. Here in Australia, it's against the law not to vote. Of course, you can "vote" without actually voting if you really want to. |
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Post by Prometheus on Mar 11, 2021 0:55:36 GMT
They have but they really lost ground in the past election with so many absentee ballots being cast. And of course, that's exactly what they're trying to stop before the midterms. Here in Australia, it's against the law not to vote. Of course, you can "vote" without actually voting if you really want to. I honestly don't like the idea of compulsory voting even if you can "vote without voting." I think there's value in knowing how many people don't want to be involved in the political process. |
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 11, 2021 2:50:54 GMT
Here in Australia, it's against the law not to vote. Of course, you can "vote" without actually voting if you really want to. I honestly don't like the idea of compulsory voting even if you can "vote without voting." I think there's value in knowing how many people don't want to be involved in the political process. I honestly don't like the idea of non-compulsory voting. I think it devalues the process in the eyes of some and might even make it easier to exclude people from the process. And you can still see how many people didn't want to be involved in the process through the number of non-votes. |
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Post by Prometheus on Mar 11, 2021 23:54:45 GMT
I honestly don't like the idea of compulsory voting even if you can "vote without voting." I think there's value in knowing how many people don't want to be involved in the political process. I honestly don't like the idea of non-compulsory voting. I think it devalues the process in the eyes of some and might even make it easier to exclude people from the process. And you can still see how many people didn't want to be involved in the process through the number of non-votes. While there is something to be said about exclusion, I think the expanded role of absentee balloting last year showed that when the stakes are high and an avenue is available, that the people will respond... and Georgia Republicans will get angry.
I think that (other than the lack of freedom implied in the statute) is the opportunity for "fuck you" voting: large scale disruption based on otherwise apathetic voting blocks taking an oppositional stance on an issue just as a form of protest against being forced to the polls.
Sure, the same could happen in places without compulsory voting but then the "fuck you movement" would be fighting against the innate apathy of those who like to talk a big game on the internet but can't actually be bothered to go stand in line.
I hope that - despite Georgia's efforts - widespread absentee balloting becomes more popular and that it encourages more participation in the political process, but in the end, I still find the idea of forcing people to vote distasteful even if they can vote, "IDGAF."
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 12, 2021 0:41:56 GMT
I honestly don't like the idea of non-compulsory voting. I think it devalues the process in the eyes of some and might even make it easier to exclude people from the process. And you can still see how many people didn't want to be involved in the process through the number of non-votes. While there is something to be said about exclusion, I think the expanded role of absentee balloting last year showed that when the stakes are high and an avenue is available, that the people will respond... and Georgia Republicans will get angry.
I think that (other than the lack of freedom implied in the statute) is the opportunity for "fuck you" voting: large scale disruption based on otherwise apathetic voting blocks taking an oppositional stance on an issue just as a form of protest against being forced to the polls.
Sure, the same could happen in places without compulsory voting but then the "fuck you movement" would be fighting against the innate apathy of those who like to talk a big game on the internet but can't actually be bothered to go stand in line.
I hope that - despite Georgia's efforts - widespread absentee balloting becomes more popular and that it encourages more participation in the political process, but in the end, I still find the idea of forcing people to vote distasteful even if they can vote, "IDGAF."
1. Exclusion seems to be ubiquitous in the USA. There always seems to be someone coming up with a new excuse to stop someone else from voting. In Australia, you have to vote even if you're in prison. Of course, you might get away with not voting if you're in a coma in an ICU. 2. Never seen it happen. In any case, that would only really affect a referendum on a social issue rather than a federal or state election. And I can only remember two referenda occurring since 1999... and at least one of them was voluntary. 3. Better for the people to say, "fuck you" to the government than the other way around. 4. I see nothing wrong with it. Citizens have certain responsibilities... and showing up to vote in federal or state elections is one of them. How they choose to vote is another matter. |
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Post by Prometheus on Mar 12, 2021 1:45:43 GMT
While there is something to be said about exclusion, I think the expanded role of absentee balloting last year showed that when the stakes are high and an avenue is available, that the people will respond... and Georgia Republicans will get angry.
I think that (other than the lack of freedom implied in the statute) is the opportunity for "fuck you" voting: large scale disruption based on otherwise apathetic voting blocks taking an oppositional stance on an issue just as a form of protest against being forced to the polls.
Sure, the same could happen in places without compulsory voting but then the "fuck you movement" would be fighting against the innate apathy of those who like to talk a big game on the internet but can't actually be bothered to go stand in line.
I hope that - despite Georgia's efforts - widespread absentee balloting becomes more popular and that it encourages more participation in the political process, but in the end, I still find the idea of forcing people to vote distasteful even if they can vote, "IDGAF."
1. Exclusion seems to be ubiquitous in the USA. There always seems to be someone coming up with a new excuse to stop someone else from voting. In Australia, you have to vote even if you're in prison. Of course, you might get away with not voting if you're in a coma in an ICU. 2. Never seen it happen. In any case, that would only really affect a referendum on a social issue rather than a federal or state election. And I can only remember two referenda occurring since 1999... and at least one of them was voluntary. 3. Better for the people to say, "fuck you" to the government than the other way around. 4. I see nothing wrong with it. Citizens have certain responsibilities... and showing up to vote in federal or state elections is one of them. How they choose to vote is another matter. I'm picking up what you're putting down, but I still can't get onboard. ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif)
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 12, 2021 1:50:17 GMT
1. Exclusion seems to be ubiquitous in the USA. There always seems to be someone coming up with a new excuse to stop someone else from voting. In Australia, you have to vote even if you're in prison. Of course, you might get away with not voting if you're in a coma in an ICU. 2. Never seen it happen. In any case, that would only really affect a referendum on a social issue rather than a federal or state election. And I can only remember two referenda occurring since 1999... and at least one of them was voluntary. 3. Better for the people to say, "fuck you" to the government than the other way around. 4. I see nothing wrong with it. Citizens have certain responsibilities... and showing up to vote in federal or state elections is one of them. How they choose to vote is another matter. I'm picking up what you're putting down, but I still can't get onboard.
I expect it's just a different in the cultures we were brought up in. Besides, if we agreed on everything, this place might turn into an echo chamber... Which would make one of us a Nazi and the other one a cunt.  |
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Post by Prometheus on Mar 12, 2021 4:10:18 GMT
I'm picking up what you're putting down, but I still can't get onboard.
I expect it's just a different in the cultures we were brought up in. Besides, if we agreed on everything, this place might turn into an echo chamber... Which would make one of us a Nazi and the other one a cunt. Why can't we both just be Nazi cunts? |
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 12, 2021 4:29:22 GMT
I expect it's just a different in the cultures we were brought up in. Besides, if we agreed on everything, this place might turn into an echo chamber... Which would make one of us a Nazi and the other one a cunt. Why can't we both just be Nazi cunts? Surely there can be only one "Nazi cunt"? |
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Post by Prometheus on Mar 12, 2021 7:02:03 GMT
Why can't we both just be Nazi cunts? Surely there can be only one "Nazi cunt"? Yes, but she's out shoe shopping.... |
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 12, 2021 7:20:35 GMT
Surely there can be only one "Nazi cunt"? Yes, but she's out shoe shopping.... That's only because of all that wear and tear caused by the excessive heel-clicking. |
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Post by Prometheus on Mar 12, 2021 7:32:18 GMT
Yes, but she's out shoe shopping.... That's only because of all that wear and tear caused by the excessive heel-clicking. And imagine all that wear and tear on her shoulder from giving that crazy salute.... |
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 12, 2021 8:01:22 GMT
That's only because of all that wear and tear caused by the excessive heel-clicking. And imagine all that wear and tear on her shoulder from giving that crazy salute....  |
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