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[abbey1227]

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Kiel 8th-graders accused of using ‘incorrect pronouns’, law firm demands district to dismiss complaints
by: Devin Willems  Posted: May 13, 2022 / 08:50 AM CDT


KIEL, Wis. (WFRV) – A Wisconsin-based law firm is asking the Kiel Area School District to drop the complaints against three eighth-grade students who are accused of calling a classmate by the wrong pronouns.

According to the Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty (WILL), three eighth-grade students in the Kiel Area School District were made aware of a Title IX complaint. The students were also notified of a sexual harassment investigation regarding the alleged use of the wrong pronoun when referring to another student. WILL’s letter says the investigation is ongoing.

Title IX is a federal law that protects people from sexual discrimination in education programs or activities that receive federal funding. More information on the details of Title IX can be found here.
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The students reportedly didn’t use “they/them” and instead said a different pronoun to the classmate.

WILL claims that using ‘biologically correct pronouns’ doesn’t constitute sexual harassment under Title IX or the district’s own policy.

The letter is addressed to the following three people at Kiel Area School District:

Kiel Area School District’s Superintendent
Counselor and Title IX Compliance Officer
Principal and Title IX Investigator

In the letter, it is claimed that the district failed to follow Title IX procedures and its own process.

The families reportedly asked for more information and were eventually given a one-page Title IX complaint and a statement from a music teacher.

All of this leaves the impression that the District is weaponizing its Title IX process to strong-arm minor students into compliance with its preferred mode of speech. This is wrong and illegal.
Statement from the WILL’s letter sent to Kiel Area School District.

“School administrators can’t force minor students to comply with their preferred mode of speaking. And they certainly shouldn’t be slapping eighth-graders with Title IX investigations for what amounts to protected speech. This is a terrible precedent to set, with enormous ramifications,” said WILL Deputy Counsel, Luke Berg.

Kiel Area School District District provided the following statement to Local 5:

The KASD prohibits all forms of bullying and harassment in accordance with all laws, including Title IX, and will continue to support ALL students regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, ancestry, creed, pregnancy, marital status, parental status, sexual orientation, sex (including transgender status, change of sex or gender identity), or physical, mental, emotional or learning disability (“Protected Classes”) in any of its student programs and activities; this is consistent with school board policy.

We do not comment on any student matters.
Kiel Area School District

On WILL’s website, it mentions that they ‘litigate, educate and participate in public discourse.’ WILL’s General Counsel, Rick Esenberg, has reportedly argued more cases in the Wisconsin Supreme Court than any other private lawyer in the state.

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[Prometheus]

How to be a bully: change your pronouns then get your rivals kicked out of school for not using them.

Just start referring to everyone by name. Hell. Make the students wear name tags in case some students decide to change names on a daily basis.

[abbey1227]

May 15, 2022 0:30:05 GMT Prometheus said:

How to be a bully: change your pronouns then get your rivals kicked out of school for not using them.

Just start referring to everyone by name. Hell. Make the students wear name tags in case some students decide to change names on a daily basis.

It's clear.........the anti-bullies have effectively become the bullies they claimed to despise.

You've reminded me of my youngest sister who has changed her desired name at least 3 times.........since becoming a mother and adult in her 20s.    It should come as no surprise that she's not interested in debate or conversation, just getting her way or else hysterics result.

[Prometheus]

May 15, 2022 1:58:27 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 15, 2022 0:30:05 GMT Prometheus said:

How to be a bully: change your pronouns then get your rivals kicked out of school for not using them.

Just start referring to everyone by name. Hell. Make the students wear name tags in case some students decide to change names on a daily basis.

It's clear.........the anti-bullies have effectively become the bullies they claimed to despise.

You've reminded me of my youngest sister who has changed her desired name at least 3 times.........since becoming a mother and adult in her 20s.    It should come as no surprise that she's not interested in debate or conversation, just getting her way or else hysterics result.

1. And that's why it's important to separate the real issues that are often lost amidst the partisan bullshit. Just because some groups are making up shit to be offended by doesn't mean that there aren't real issues that need to be addressed.

2. I hope you just call her, "Sis" to avoid the "hysterics," or is she the type to insist on, "NO NICKNAMES!!!"?

[abbey1227]

May 15, 2022 4:02:46 GMT Prometheus said:

May 15, 2022 1:58:27 GMT abbey1227 said:

1. And that's why it's important to separate the real issues that are often lost amidst the partisan bullshit. Just because some groups are making up shit to be offended by doesn't mean that there aren't real issues that need to be addressed.

2. I hope you just call her, "Sis" to avoid the "hysterics," or is she the type to insist on, "NO NICKNAMES!!!"?

1. I like to laugh at most of this stuff..........but there are just a few things I base off of hardcore principles. I really believe there are teams of political hacks and partisans that come up with all of that flash just to keep distracting the masses away from those few key important issues. If we removed the $Money from most of it, there'd really be almost nothing to argue about, as well.

2. I skip the name altogether if I can. Who can keep track of these things when they keep changing? We've got a little side bet right now if she's going to be upset if her lesbian wife decides to come after the house during their divorce. I've always liked that line about gay marriage......"Why should just the straights suffer?" 

[Prometheus]

May 15, 2022 12:48:25 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 15, 2022 4:02:46 GMT Prometheus said:

1. And that's why it's important to separate the real issues that are often lost amidst the partisan bullshit. Just because some groups are making up shit to be offended by doesn't mean that there aren't real issues that need to be addressed.

2. I hope you just call her, "Sis" to avoid the "hysterics," or is she the type to insist on, "NO NICKNAMES!!!"?

1. I like to laugh at most of this stuff..........but there are just a few things I base off of hardcore principles. I really believe there are teams of political hacks and partisans that come up with all of that flash just to keep distracting the masses away from those few key important issues. If we removed the $Money from most of it, there'd really be almost nothing to argue about, as well.

2. I skip the name altogether if I can. Who can keep track of these things when they keep changing? We've got a little side bet right now if she's going to be upset if her lesbian wife decides to come after the house during their divorce. I've always liked that line about gay marriage......"Why should just the straights suffer?" 

2. I've always been hopeful that "gay divorce" would force some equity on "straight divorce."

[abbey1227]

May 15, 2022 23:14:20 GMT Prometheus said:

May 15, 2022 12:48:25 GMT abbey1227 said:

1. I like to laugh at most of this stuff..........but there are just a few things I base off of hardcore principles. I really believe there are teams of political hacks and partisans that come up with all of that flash just to keep distracting the masses away from those few key important issues. If we removed the $Money from most of it, there'd really be almost nothing to argue about, as well.

2. I skip the name altogether if I can. Who can keep track of these things when they keep changing? We've got a little side bet right now if she's going to be upset if her lesbian wife decides to come after the house during their divorce. I've always liked that line about gay marriage......"Why should just the straights suffer?" 

2. I've always been hopeful that "gay divorce" would force some equity on "straight divorce."

Shouldn't 'Feminism' have taken care of that already?     

[Prometheus]

May 16, 2022 1:22:41 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 15, 2022 23:14:20 GMT Prometheus said:

2. I've always been hopeful that "gay divorce" would force some equity on "straight divorce."

Shouldn't 'Feminism' have taken care of that already?     

Not really since those women still wanted to fuck over men. That seems to be the purpose of divorce.

In a divorce between two women there are no men to fuck over so there will be new court precedents set.

In a divorce between two men you have to decide which one is going to get fucked over and that will lead to new court precedents being set.

With non-binary people getting divorced, the concept of "man" is off the table from the get-go.

[abbey1227]

May 16, 2022 1:57:18 GMT Prometheus said:

Not really since those women still wanted to fuck over men. That seems to be the purpose of divorce.

In a divorce between two women there are no men to fuck over so there will be new court precedents set.

In a divorce between two men you have to decide which one is going to get fucked over and that will lead to new court precedents being set.

With non-binary people getting divorced, the concept of "man" is off the table from the get-go.

Maybe there'll be a precedent where a person divorces themselves? They sometimes prefer the pronoun 'they' right?

On a serious note though......in these endless discussions about wage gaps, systemic poverty, etc etc etc.... it really should be emphasized more to people that things like child support and divorce can have serious long term effects on a person's finances.

I guess what I'm saying is "Choose your beards wisely." 

[Prometheus]

May 16, 2022 3:24:00 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 16, 2022 1:57:18 GMT Prometheus said:

Not really since those women still wanted to fuck over men. That seems to be the purpose of divorce.

In a divorce between two women there are no men to fuck over so there will be new court precedents set.

In a divorce between two men you have to decide which one is going to get fucked over and that will lead to new court precedents being set.

With non-binary people getting divorced, the concept of "man" is off the table from the get-go.

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 things like child support and divorce can have serious long term effects on a person's finances.

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Which is another reason why overturning R v W is bad news.

[abbey1227]

May 16, 2022 6:40:39 GMT Prometheus said:

May 16, 2022 3:24:00 GMT abbey1227 said:

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 things like child support and divorce can have serious long term effects on a person's finances.

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Which is another reason why overturning R v W is bad news.

maybe that's a reason they're doing it?   more people dependent on govt?

[Prometheus]

May 16, 2022 7:40:48 GMT abbey1227 said:

May 16, 2022 6:40:39 GMT Prometheus said:

Which is another reason why overturning R v W is bad news.

maybe that's a reason they're doing it?   more people dependent on govt?

The GOP wanting more people to subjugate?

What a novel idea that not a single person has ever discussed in the past 60 years....