ROE V WADE

[merh]

Too bad?

TIL: Saddam Hussein's mother tried to abort her pregnancy before his birth, but failed.

[abbey1227]

Oct 15, 2022 3:30:16 GMT merh said:

Too bad?

TIL: Saddam Hussein's mother tried to abort her pregnancy before his birth, but failed.

Do you think Iraq wouldn't have just had someone else in his place? Possibly someone even worse

[merh]

Oct 15, 2022 13:02:51 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 15, 2022 3:30:16 GMT merh said:

Too bad?

Do you think Iraq wouldn't have just had someone else in his place? Possibly someone even worse

Negative Nelly.

Maybe someone better?

[abbey1227]

Oct 15, 2022 13:42:46 GMT merh said:

Oct 15, 2022 13:02:51 GMT abbey1227 said:

Do you think Iraq wouldn't have just had someone else in his place? Possibly someone even worse

Negative Nelly.

Maybe someone better?

I've argued with my Bible thumping buddy about Russia and Putin, too

There are many, many places on this planet that just seem to want/need strong arm bad guys calling the shots.

There's also the US, that seems to need the cesspool that DC has become

[merh]

So it had brain material.
Was this ending a life?

CASE
A 25-year-old virginal Japanese woman underwent surgery for an ovarian tumor that was diagnosed as a mature teratoma. A solid mass within the tumor was found to have a head, trunk, and extremities. Consequently, this mass was diagnosed as a mature fetiform teratoma (homunculus). Brain, eye, spinal nerve, ear, teeth, thyroid gland, bone, bone marrow, gut, trachea, blood vessels, and phallic cavernous tissue were confirmed microscopically. Distinctive features were the clear anterior-posterior, ventral-dorsal, and left-right axes, with a spatially well-organized arrangement of the organs. An eye was located on the front of the head, a spinal nerve lay dorsal to the spinal bones, the thyroid gland was anterior to the trachea, and the gut was deep inside the trunk.

[abbey1227]

Oct 17, 2022 0:18:24 GMT merh said:

So it had brain material.
Was this ending a life?

CASE
A 25-year-old virginal Japanese woman underwent surgery for an ovarian tumor that was diagnosed as a mature teratoma. A solid mass within the tumor was found to have a head, trunk, and extremities. Consequently, this mass was diagnosed as a mature fetiform teratoma (homunculus). Brain, eye, spinal nerve, ear, teeth, thyroid gland, bone, bone marrow, gut, trachea, blood vessels, and phallic cavernous tissue were confirmed microscopically. Distinctive features were the clear anterior-posterior, ventral-dorsal, and left-right axes, with a spatially well-organized arrangement of the organs. An eye was located on the front of the head, a spinal nerve lay dorsal to the spinal bones, the thyroid gland was anterior to the trachea, and the gut was deep inside the trunk.

The Dark Half.  

Best to have eliminated that thing before it got more problematic. Just like a lot of other individuals. 

[merh]

TEXT:

Buried in an Atlanta Journal-Constitution preview of Friday’s Georgia Senate debate (which, yes, was a shitshow), was an alarming tidbit about Gov. Brian Kemp (R). At a campaign stop in Blakely, Georgia, the man who signed the state’s active six-week abortion ban said he’d be open a statewide ban on destroying embryos created for in-vitro fertilization (IVF). That makes Kemp the second Republican in recent days, after New Hampshire Senate nominee Don Bolduc, to suggest they’d move to limit IVF. Bolduc called embryo destruction “a disgusting practice” that we need to do something about.

In a one-minute audio clip provided to the AJC, a man who claimed to be a Kemp supporter asked the governor whether he would support a “statewide ban on the destruction of embryos.” Another person, possibly a Kemp staffer, said “this is just now starting to become a conversation” and that the legislature might consider it as part of a bill the future.

Kemp jumped in to say it seemed somewhat unlikely, “We barely got the heartbeat bill passed, one vote.” Then the supporter asks Kemp if he likes the idea of protecting IVF embryos, to which he responds emphatically, “Yeah.”

The likely Kemp flackey says of the governor, “This man’s proven his pro-life credentials,” and tells the supporter, “Yeah, we’ll talk about that [proposal].”

But Kemp’s campaign said he wouldn’t actually support such a bill if it were introduced. “The governor has been abundantly clear that his priorities for a second term are to build on Georgia’s record economic success, invest in and support our schools, and keep our communities safe,” Kemp spokesman Tate Mitchell told the AJC. So Kemp was either lying at the event or is lying now.

Kemp’s pro-choice opponent, Democrat Stacey Abrams, trails the incumbent in polls by about five points. She narrowly lost to Kemp in 2018. “Women deserve full citizenship in the United States and certainly in the state of Georgia, and they are being denied that because of Brian Kemp’s six-week ban,” Abrams told CNN in September.

Anti-abortion activists have long had IVF on their fetal personhood agenda. They object to embryos being destroyed due to genetic screening results or because people are done building their families. They’re just being much more open about it now.

“Ultimately, we believe that all human life is valuable and deserves our legal protection from that beginning moment of fertilization, whether that occurs through normal means or through IVF,” Rebecca Parma, senior legislative associate with Texas Right to Life, told a local news outlet in July. “And so certainly we want those embryos who are created through the IVF process protected.”

What could it mean practically if laws banning embryo destruction were to pass? People would have to pay to store their unused embryos forever, pay to move them to another state, or they might feel pressured to donate the embryos to anti-abortion organizations instead of footing that bill. That is, if IVF even remains available in their state.

Depending on how carefully any embryo-destruction laws are written, fertility clinics could get in trouble if storage tanks have power issues and embryos get destroyed—this is rare but it’s happened. Elizabeth Nash, the principal policy analyst for state issues at Guttmacher Institute, told Jezebel in June that nearly 40 states have fetal homicide laws, originally intended to help address homicide during pregnancy, but the laws have since been co-opted to criminalize pregnant people. Anti-abortion lawmakers could technically use these same laws, and other “life begins at conception” language, to target fertility clinics.

Fertility clinics might choose to limit the number of embryos created per cycle to try to avoid having any “extra,” but that could mean more expensive and invasive cycles until someone successfully gets pregnant. If the clinics choose not to offer IVF because of restrictions on embryos, it could threaten their business models, which could lead to less access to other fertility treatments like artificial insemination, as Jezebel’s Kylie Cheung reported.

Experts have been worried about the impact of abortion bans on IVF for years, and after the Supreme Court overturned Roe, people were already moving their embryos out of red states to avoid possible legal complications.

People warned this was coming, and now it’s time for lawmakers to explicitly protect IVF in addition to abortion.

jezebel.com/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-said-hes-open-to-restricting-iv-1849666368

[abbey1227]

Oct 19, 2022 7:09:19 GMT merh said:

TEXT:

Buried in an Atlanta Journal-Constitution preview of Friday’s Georgia Senate debate (which, yes, was a shitshow), was an alarming tidbit about Gov. Brian Kemp (R). At a campaign stop in Blakely, Georgia, the man who signed the state’s active six-week abortion ban said he’d be open a statewide ban on destroying embryos created for in-vitro fertilization (IVF). That makes Kemp the second Republican in recent days, after New Hampshire Senate nominee Don Bolduc, to suggest they’d move to limit IVF. Bolduc called embryo destruction “a disgusting practice” that we need to do something about.

That seems like such a weird position to take at this moment in time.

but as I've  mentioned before.........medical tech is coming closer and closer to not need the womb.

Don't you think that the other 'owner' of that fertilized egg will start laying claim at some point? I've asked how it'll feel when the ladies start being put on the hook for child support for 2 decades against their will?

[merh]

[abbey1227]

Oct 22, 2022 23:37:10 GMT merh said:

I'm OK with that

At least it'd be something that actually worked

[merh]

TEXT:

Fox News’ Tucker Carlson flirted with QAnon conspiracies on Monday, suggesting that the Democratic Party was a “child sacrifice cult” because its donors were trying to protect women’s reproductive rights.



“They’re going to take your abortions away. That was the Democratic message for the midterm elections, the ones that are coming up in just a few days,” Carlson said on his show.

Tucker Carlson flirted with QAnon conspiracies on Monday, suggesting that the Democratic Party was a “child sacrifice cult.” (Photo: Fox News)



Carlson compared a woman’s right to choose whether or not to give birth to COVID-19 mask and vaccination mandates, citing the phrase “my body my choice.”



“Yeah, it would be a shame if states got to control people’s bodies, like telling people what to wear on their faces or what drugs they have to be injected with,” he said.



“Abortion politics is a total fixation of Democratic donors,” he added. “It’s the main thing they care about. Why is that, by the way? It’s a religion. It’s a child sacrifice cult.”



One QAnon conspiracy theory falsely holds that former President Donald Trump was working to save the nation from a group of Satan-worshipping elites who run a child sex-trafficking ring. QAnon followers believe that this cabal includes top Democrats and Hollywood celebrities.



Democrats began focusing on protecting abortion rights after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June, reversing 50 years of precedent. Since then, nearly half of the states have either banned abortion or are working to do so.

www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-carlson-qanon-democrats_n_63575d45e4b04cf8f386e2ef

[abbey1227]

Oct 25, 2022 23:59:18 GMT merh said:

“Abortion politics is a total fixation of Democratic donors,” he added. “It’s the main thing they care about. Why is that, by the way? It’s a religion. It’s a child sacrifice cult.”



One QAnon conspiracy theory falsely holds that former President Donald Trump was working to save the nation from a group of Satan-worshipping elites who run a child sex-trafficking ring. QAnon followers believe that this cabal includes top Democrats and Hollywood celebrities.



Democrats began focusing on protecting abortion rights after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June, reversing 50 years of precedent. Since then, nearly half of the states have either banned abortion or are working to do so.

Seems like the hot topic they wanna focus on.    There'd be over 400 Million Americans right now but for PP

Too uncomfortable a thing to note?

[merh]

Oct 26, 2022 2:29:35 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 25, 2022 23:59:18 GMT merh said:

Seems like the hot topic they wanna focus on.    There'd be over 400 Million Americans right now but for PP

Too uncomfortable a thing to note?

Why would I feel uncomfortable about it.
You know I believe the woman has as much of a right to end a pregnancy as God/mother nature does.

You claim you don't care about women choosing abortion, yet you constantly rail against it.

Do we need all those many Americans?
Would they have made it to adulthood without being target practice for a gun toting schoolmate? Or maybe they could have been beat to death by a parent who never wanted them.

[abbey1227]

Oct 26, 2022 6:10:49 GMT merh said:

Oct 26, 2022 2:29:35 GMT abbey1227 said:

Seems like the hot topic they wanna focus on.    There'd be over 400 Million Americans right now but for PP

Too uncomfortable a thing to note?

Why would I feel uncomfortable about it.
You know I believe the woman has as much of a right to end a pregnancy as God/mother nature does.

You claim you don't care about women choosing abortion, yet you constantly rail against it.

Do we need all those many Americans?
Would they have made it to adulthood without being target practice for a gun toting schoolmate? Or maybe they could have been beat to death by a parent who never wanted them.

You don't trust me enough. If Govt funding wasn't involved in some way..........you'd see a lot fewer posts from me on the subject. Even my wife tried riling me up on this by saying I was against abortion (as she smiled knowing it was ramping me up in defense)

So you'd prefer non-Americans be the target of school shootings? How heartless can you get?   

[merh]

Oct 26, 2022 9:33:32 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 26, 2022 6:10:49 GMT merh said:

Why would I feel uncomfortable about it.
You know I believe the woman has as much of a right to end a pregnancy as God/mother nature does.

You claim you don't care about women choosing abortion, yet you constantly rail against it.

Do we need all those many Americans?
Would they have made it to adulthood without being target practice for a gun toting schoolmate? Or maybe they could have been beat to death by a parent who never wanted them.

You don't trust me enough. If Govt funding wasn't involved in some way..........you'd see a lot fewer posts from me on the subject. Even my wife tried riling me up on this by saying I was against abortion (as she smiled knowing it was ramping me up in defense)

So you'd prefer non-Americans be the target of school shootings? How heartless can you get?   

You argue wr would have around 50 Million more Americans if not for abortion.
There is no guarantee they would have made it to adulthood.

[abbey1227]

Oct 26, 2022 18:36:34 GMT merh said:

Oct 26, 2022 9:33:32 GMT abbey1227 said:

You don't trust me enough. If Govt funding wasn't involved in some way..........you'd see a lot fewer posts from me on the subject. Even my wife tried riling me up on this by saying I was against abortion (as she smiled knowing it was ramping me up in defense)

So you'd prefer non-Americans be the target of school shootings? How heartless can you get?   

You argue wr would have around 50 Million more Americans if not for abortion.
There is no guarantee they would have made it to adulthood.

Then you pick a number.........from over 70 million, if pregnancies miscarry about 50/50..........isn't that at least 35 million more?

You guys love to joke that Republicans only care about a fetus til it's born......... I joke that GOPers like Paul Ryan and Ron Johnson openly support Illegals cuz they feel the US needs the workers.

[merh]

[abbey1227]

Oct 31, 2022 19:59:00 GMT merh said:

Extremist!

Add it to the list!  

[merh]

Oct 31, 2022 21:35:01 GMT abbey1227 said:

Oct 31, 2022 19:59:00 GMT merh said:

Extremist!

Add it to the list!  

Well. It is from Witches vs patriarchy on reddit 

[abbey1227]

Nov 1, 2022 1:15:12 GMT merh said:

Oct 31, 2022 21:35:01 GMT abbey1227 said:

Extremist!

Add it to the list!  

Well. It is from Witches vs patriarchy on reddit 

it's actually kinda inventive and neat looking, imo