ROE V WADE

[merh]

Sept 26, 2022 16:14:05 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 26, 2022 15:41:50 GMT merh said:

Livestock?

Doesn't a farmer provide food for the livestock?

Dude, a lot of women like myself SUPPORT OURSELVES.

Jesus Christ, you know better.

A farmer gets something of value out of the 'investment' in livestock, normally. Otherwise the farm fails.

You do support yourself. I know that.

But you've also told me in the past you relied on PP for services. Tax dollars again, right?

And guys don't get something of value from the women they support?


Taxes I FUCKING PAID? 
I used PP for birth control for a couple years until R got a job at Cinematronics 

Cinematronics Incorporated was an arcade game developer that primarily released vector graphics games in the late 1970s and early 1980s. While other companies released games based on raster displays, early in their history, Cinematronics and Atari, Inc. released vector-display games, which offered a distinctive look and a greater graphic capability (at the time), at the cost of being only black and white (initially). Cinematronics also published Dragon's Lair in 1983, the first major LaserDisc video game.

About 1982, Cinematronics started releasing games which used raster display, such as Naughty Boy and Zzyzzyxx. During this time Cinematronics filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection

He worked there around 1 yr. Got laid off with the chapter 11 bust. Then he worked at Safeway so I have paid my taxes AND not relied on welfare/taxpayer services since around 1981/82.

What were YOU doing then?

But I appreciate that year or so PP sold me birth control for $5/month.

[abbey1227]

Sept 26, 2022 16:22:20 GMT merh said:

And guys don't get something of value from the women they support?

Taxes I FUCKING PAID? 
I used PP for birth control for a couple years until R got a job at Cinematronics 

He worked there around 1 yr. Got laid off with the chapter 11 bust. Then he worked at Safeway so I have paid my taxes AND not relied on welfare/taxpayer services since around 1981/82.

What were YOU doing then?

But I appreciate that year or so PP sold me birth control for $5/month.

Do they? Is it worth it?  

What you're ignoring, while taking so much offense, is that millions of Americans are lifetime Net Losses when it comes to tax payer provided handouts. Even providing education is a HUGE expense. You don't really think the average person pays enough in taxes to cover that, do you?

I was just entering high school. 

I'm sure you did. I'm sure there were many employers and insurance plans that provided similar benefits back then, as well.    Do you think I haven't appreciated it when our insurance covers our issues when they arise?

Do you think I'm all that pleased with the current prices, though? Especially after the passage of the ACA?

[merh]

Sept 26, 2022 16:12:01 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 26, 2022 15:40:02 GMT merh said:

Texas is one of them?

I just saw a Texas sheriff upset about the Martha's Vineyard operation. So clearly there are plenty in law enforcement/DA's offices these days with more liberal views than their state's citizens might hold.

The New York Times
The Megastate GOP Rivalry Between Abbott and DeSantis
Michael C. Bender and J. David Goodman
Mon, September 26, 2022 at 4:50 AM·

AUSTIN, Texas — Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida wanted to irritate a set of wealthy, liberal elites when he flew migrants to Martha’s Vineyard from Texas, delivering them a slice of the humanitarian crisis simmering along the nation’s southern border.

But DeSantis’ stunt also annoyed an entirely different group — fellow Republicans in Austin, including some of the allies and aides of Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas.

Publicly, Abbott has not criticized DeSantis’ migrant flights from his state. “Every state that wants to help, I’m happy for it,” said Dave Carney, Abbott’s top campaign strategist.

But privately, the Florida governor’s gambit stung Abbott’s team. No one in the Texas governor’s office was given a heads-up that DeSantis planned to round up migrants in San Antonio, according to people familiar with the matter.

Abbott had spent months — and millions of state tax dollars — methodically orchestrating a relocation program that, since April, had bused 11,000 migrants to Washington, New York and Chicago. DeSantis’ adaptation was considerably smaller.

But it immediately put the national spotlight on DeSantis, garnering headlines and earning him praise from Republicans and condemnation from Democrats. It also led to an investigation by the sheriff in San Antonio and a lawsuit from migrants who said they had been lured onto the planes under false pretenses. DeSantis grabbed the attention of right-wing America, using Abbott’s tactic, on Abbott’s turf, to bigger and more dramatic effect.

DeSantis’ instinct for political theater has helped him quickly turn into Republicans’ leading alternative to former President Donald Trump. Even Texas Republicans tell pollsters that they prefer DeSantis over Abbott for president in 2024.

The two Republican governors have been locked in an increasingly high-stakes contest of one-upmanship, wielding their own unique brands of conservatism and pushing boundaries by using desperate migrants for political gain. In Florida, DeSantis mused to donors last year about Abbott’s good political fortune to share 1,254 miles of border with Mexico and complained that he didn’t have the same to use as a backdrop, according to one person familiar with the conversation.

For all the bluster, the war between Austin and Tallahassee is decidedly more cold than hot. Yet, the two governors’ policy moves antagonizing the Biden administration and the Democratic Party as a whole have been unfolding as an interstate call and response, with national repercussions.

In August 2020, Abbott proposed legislation to punish cities in Texas that took funding away from police departments by preventing them from raising more property tax revenue. The following month, DeSantis went further, saying he would seek to cut state funding from municipalities that defunded the police.

In February of this year, Abbott ordered state officials to open child-abuse investigations into medically accepted treatments for transgender youth, including hormones and puberty-suppressing drugs. Last month, DeSantis said doctors who “disfigure” young people with gender-affirming care should be sued.

In June of 2021, on the first day of Pride Month, DeSantis signed a bill into law that barred transgender girls from playing on female sports teams at public schools. Abbott followed suit with a similar measure in October.

The competition between DeSantis and Abbott has more to do with their job descriptions than any personal animosity. Governors elected to lead megastates like Florida and Texas — two of America’s three largest states that accounted for 15% of the Republican presidential vote in 2020 — are automatically injected into the national political arena, where they are sized up and watched closely for signs of White House ambitions.

“Love Florida. Love Texas. Love Florida more,” Jeb Bush, a former Florida governor with deep familial ties to Texas, said when asked about the rivalry between the two states.

When Rick Scott was the governor of Florida and Rick Perry was the governor of Texas, the two Ricks shared a bromance even as both eyed the White House. From Florida, Scott spoke glowingly of his counterpart’s record of luring businesses. In Texas, Perry admired his rival’s refusal to accept federal stimulus money for railroads or to expand Medicaid.

DeSantis and Abbott have lacked such camaraderie. Their brinkmanship has played out against the backdrop of their reelection bids. Both men are seeking additional four-year terms while facing challenges by well-known Democrats in contests that could help determine their presidential aspirations and the direction of the Republican Party for years to come.

“No one has ever been elected governor of even a small state who didn’t, somewhere deep in their heart, start dreaming about being president,” said Chris Wilson, a pollster who has worked for both men. “So it’s not shocking to see both Abbott and DeSantis jockeying at least a little toward 2024 or beyond.”

Abbott is the more institutional politician.

He faced no opposition in his first primary election for attorney general in 2002 and was effectively unopposed inside the party when he ran to succeed Perry as governor in 2014. He has worked to maintain ties with business groups, social conservatives and fellow Republican governors. A former Texas Supreme Court justice, he is a rather lawyerly governor.

DeSantis is more instinctual.

He emerged from a six-way Republican primary in his first race for the House of Representatives in 2012. He was viewed as an underdog in the 2018 governor’s primary until he became separated from the pack, thanks to an endorsement — and constant promotion — from Trump. A former lawyer for the Navy at Guantánamo Bay, he is more pugilistic than judicial.

Still, DeSantis has positioned himself as something of a political loner.

He has eschewed events coordinated by the tight-knit Republican Governors Association. Instead of joining a group of current and former Republican governors on the campaign trail this year to support fellow incumbents, DeSantis embarked on his own victory lap, promoting the migrant flights during campaign stops with Republican candidates for governor in Kansas and Wisconsin. Those events were organized not by the Republican Governors Association, but by Turning Point USA, a group of younger and more provocative conservative activists close to Trump and his family.

In Tallahassee, the migrant flights had been discussed for more than a year and had, at one point, centered on relocating the migrants to the Hamptons, the popular Long Island destination for wealthy New Yorkers, according to people familiar with the talks. Initially, the proposal caused some division within DeSantis’ team.

The contrasting styles of Abbott and DeSantis were on clear display last year in their handling of high-profile election bills.

When Abbott signed a new round of voting restrictions, he traveled to Tyler, the hometown of one of the bill’s chief proponents, and was surrounded by Republican lawmakers, supporters and reporters. When DeSantis signed his state’s voting restrictions, he, too, was surrounded by fellow Florida Republicans, but the only network that was allowed to cover the event was Fox News, which aired the footage live on its program “Fox & Friends.”

The coronavirus pandemic has been a defining moment for both governors.

DeSantis burnished his conservative bona fides by challenging COVID-19 safety guidelines from public health officials. He lifted pandemic restrictions on businesses in Florida in September 2020, earlier than most governors.

By contrast, Abbott found himself clashing with conservatives over the business restrictions and mask mandate that he had ordered. Some donors confronted Abbott, expressing their disappointment that he was not following DeSantis’ lead and suggesting that he could lose reelection if he did not move quicker to reopen businesses and return the state to normalcy, according to two Republicans who participated in the meeting.

Abbott eventually lifted restrictions on businesses in March 2021, months after DeSantis did.

“Governor Abbott and Governor DeSantis have a solid working relationship, having worked together on various initiatives through Republican governors organizations,” Renae Eze, Abbott’s press secretary, said.

A spokesperson for DeSantis did not respond to requests for comment about his relationship with Abbott and his remark about the border to donors last year.

Last year, after the start of the Biden administration and as migrants arrived at the border in increasing numbers, Abbott and Gov. Doug Ducey of Arizona sought assistance from other states to help police the border.

Florida sent a large contingent of officers and equipment, including low-water boats that could be used along the Rio Grande in Texas.

Soon after, DeSantis planned a trip to visit the Florida officers stationed at the border. When members of Abbott’s office learned about the Florida governor’s trip, they timed a news conference to DeSantis’ arrival and invited him, according to a person familiar with the plans.

On the day of the news conference in July 2021, in an airplane hangar in Del Rio, Texas, DeSantis arrived long before Abbott. He met with Florida officers and officers from Texas, and then spent an extended period of time sitting on a couch in the hangar waiting for Abbott, who arrived about 10 minutes before the briefing.

The two men were dressed in similar black button-down shirts with their respective state seals embossed over the left breast pocket (long sleeves for DeSantis, short sleeves for Abbott). They took their positions at a table set up in front of a boat, a plane and a helicopter that had been used to patrol the border. Then they proceeded to stumble over one another at the start of the news conference.

“I think we’re ready to go,” Abbott began.

“OK,” DeSantis said, looking into the cameras.

“Good,” Abbott added.

“Well,” DeSantis said, his right elbow pointing toward the Texas governor seated next to him.

“So,” said Abbott, looking back at DeSantis. “Oh. Help kick it off?”

“I just want to thank —” DeSantis said.

“Sure,” Abbott said.

“Thank you, Greg, for hosting us,” DeSantis said, turning back to the cameras.

Abbott invited fellow Republican governors to another news conference at the border that October. Ten showed up.

DeSantis was not among them.

© 2022 The New York Times Company

www.yahoo.com/news/megastate-gop-rivalry-between-abbott-115l
It is called a political stunt.

Like Ronnie Reagan was fond of

[abbey1227]

Sept 26, 2022 16:33:50 GMT merh said:

www.yahoo.com/news/megastate-gop-rivalry-between-abbott-115l
It is called a political stunt.

Like Ronnie Reagan was fond of

You mean like those 2 Impeachments and the January 6 Investigation?

[merh]

Sept 26, 2022 16:39:18 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 26, 2022 16:33:50 GMT merh said:

www.yahoo.com/news/megastate-gop-rivalry-between-abbott-115l
It is called a political stunt.

Like Ronnie Reagan was fond of

You mean like those 2 Impeachments and the January 6 Investigation?

He should have been impeached after January 6.

Republican politicians don't want him running in 2024.

Would have gotten him out of the mix

[abbey1227]

Sept 26, 2022 16:52:07 GMT merh said:

Sept 26, 2022 16:39:18 GMT abbey1227 said:

You mean like those 2 Impeachments and the January 6 Investigation?

He should have been impeached after January 6.

Republican politicians don't want him running in 2024.

Would have gotten him out of the mix

3rd time the charm?

Yes, mostly Establishment types that have no intention of ever delivering to actual conservatives. You see Cheney is pledging to 'convert' to the Democrat Party? Told ya

[abbey1227]

More word salad..............



Pediatrician rips Planned Parenthood for redefining fetal heartbeat to back Stacey Abrams' claim
Kathleen Berchelmann calls out political ploy to 'redefine medicine' on 'Fox & Friends First'
By Bailee Hill | Fox News


Planned Parenthood redefines fetal heartbeat after Stacey Abrams' 'manufactured sound' claim

Pediatrician Kathleen Berchelmann joined 'Fox & Friends First' to discuss how Planned Parenthood pivoted on its stance and why she claims the change is the 'oldest trick in the book' to redefine medicine.

Planned Parenthood is facing scrutiny after it redefined fetal heartbeat on its website following Stacey Abrams' controversial remarks suggesting it is a "manufactured sound."

Pediatrician Kathleen Berchelmann joined "Fox & Friends First" Tuesday to discuss why she believes this is a political ploy to "redefine" medical language to suit a political agenda.

"I think this is just the oldest trick in the book... in the pro-choice advocacy side, which is to redefine medical language," Berchelmann told co-host Carley Shimkus. "Years ago, they redefined a pregnancy from conception to implantation in the uterus, and now they're redefining heartbeat versus cardiac activity."

MSNBC COLUMN HELPS STACEY ABRAMS DENY UNBORN BABY'S HEARTBEAT: NOTION OF FETAL PULSE ‘DANGEROUS AND LUDICROUS’

"The problem here is that every American that's had that experience that you just described, that miraculous experience, where you go in for that first visit, and you see that tiny flutter, and you see it on the screen, you know there's a real life there," she continued. "There's a real heartbeat there."

Planned Parenthood has since altered the verbiage on its website, appearing to back Abrams' claims.

The change reads, "A part of the embryo starts to show cardiac activity. It sounds like a heartbeat on an ultrasound, but it's not a fully-formed heart - it's the earliest stage of the heart developing."

The modification comes after the Georgia gubernatorial candidate suggested the six-week heartbeat is male-motivated ploy for control over female bodies during a speaking engagement this month.

Abrams said, "There is no such thing as a heartbeat at six weeks. It is a manufactured sound designed to convince people that men have the right to take control of a woman's body."

But critics, including Berchelmann, have defied her claims. Berchelmann said Abrams and others are trying to change current definitions in modern-day medicine.

"That movement makes sound, even if it's very small, which… it can be amplified using an ultrasound machine," Berchelmann said. "So to call it anything other than a heartbeat and call it cardiac activity is just… wordsmithing and changing definitions."

www.foxnews.com/media/pediatrician-rips-planned-parenthood-redefining-fetal-heartbeat-back-stacey-abrams-claim

[merh]

Sept 26, 2022 16:56:53 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 26, 2022 16:52:07 GMT merh said:

He should have been impeached after January 6.

Republican politicians don't want him running in 2024.

Would have gotten him out of the mix

3rd time the charm?

Yes, mostly Establishment types that have no intention of ever delivering to actual conservatives. You see Cheney is pledging to 'convert' to the Democrat Party? Told ya

You think Trump is a conservative?

That is funny

[merh]

Sept 28, 2022 5:10:46 GMT abbey1227 said:

More word salad..............



Pediatrician rips Planned Parenthood for redefining fetal heartbeat to back Stacey Abrams' claim
Kathleen Berchelmann calls out political ploy to 'redefine medicine' on 'Fox & Friends First'
By Bailee Hill | Fox News


Planned Parenthood redefines fetal heartbeat after Stacey Abrams' 'manufactured sound' claim

Pediatrician Kathleen Berchelmann joined 'Fox & Friends First' to discuss how Planned Parenthood pivoted on its stance and why she claims the change is the 'oldest trick in the book' to redefine medicine.

Planned Parenthood is facing scrutiny after it redefined fetal heartbeat on its website following Stacey Abrams' controversial remarks suggesting it is a "manufactured sound."

Pediatrician Kathleen Berchelmann joined "Fox & Friends First" Tuesday to discuss why she believes this is a political ploy to "redefine" medical language to suit a political agenda.

"I think this is just the oldest trick in the book... in the pro-choice advocacy side, which is to redefine medical language," Berchelmann told co-host Carley Shimkus. "Years ago, they redefined a pregnancy from conception to implantation in the uterus, and now they're redefining heartbeat versus cardiac activity."

MSNBC COLUMN HELPS STACEY ABRAMS DENY UNBORN BABY'S HEARTBEAT: NOTION OF FETAL PULSE ‘DANGEROUS AND LUDICROUS’

"The problem here is that every American that's had that experience that you just described, that miraculous experience, where you go in for that first visit, and you see that tiny flutter, and you see it on the screen, you know there's a real life there," she continued. "There's a real heartbeat there."

Planned Parenthood has since altered the verbiage on its website, appearing to back Abrams' claims.

The change reads, "A part of the embryo starts to show cardiac activity. It sounds like a heartbeat on an ultrasound, but it's not a fully-formed heart - it's the earliest stage of the heart developing."

The modification comes after the Georgia gubernatorial candidate suggested the six-week heartbeat is male-motivated ploy for control over female bodies during a speaking engagement this month.

Abrams said, "There is no such thing as a heartbeat at six weeks. It is a manufactured sound designed to convince people that men have the right to take control of a woman's body."

But critics, including Berchelmann, have defied her claims. Berchelmann said Abrams and others are trying to change current definitions in modern-day medicine.

"That movement makes sound, even if it's very small, which… it can be amplified using an ultrasound machine," Berchelmann said. "So to call it anything other than a heartbeat and call it cardiac activity is just… wordsmithing and changing definitions."

www.foxnews.com/media/pediatrician-rips-planned-parenthood-redefining-fetal-heartbeat-back-stacey-abrams-claim

See?
You are such a good little anti-abortion activist!

[abbey1227]

Sept 28, 2022 7:30:27 GMT merh said:

Sept 26, 2022 16:56:53 GMT abbey1227 said:

3rd time the charm?

Yes, mostly Establishment types that have no intention of ever delivering to actual conservatives. You see Cheney is pledging to 'convert' to the Democrat Party? Told ya

You think Trump is a conservative?

That is funny

Actually, I think he leans more center Democrat........ like a lot of older New Yorkers. For all the good that did him, right?

BUT......... he did deliver on a lot of things that conservatives wanted. If it weren't for the scumbags like McCain & Co, the ACA would have been repealed Day 2, as well.

[abbey1227]

Sept 28, 2022 7:33:52 GMT merh said:

See?
You are such a good little anti-abortion activist!

Because I insist people be consistent and honest? Kill all the fetuses you like.

Remove the problem and deceased pregnancies, as well.

Stop buying into the stereotype of what you've been instructed to believe, though........ STOP getting in the trunk of the car!

[merh]

Sept 28, 2022 7:41:42 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 28, 2022 7:33:52 GMT merh said:

See?
You are such a good little anti-abortion activist!

Because I insist people be consistent and honest? Kill all the fetuses you like.

Remove the problem and deceased pregnancies, as well.

Stop buying into the stereotype of what you've been instructed to believe, though........ STOP getting in the trunk of the car!

If he screwed up making that cake, it isn't going to be a cake. 
I did that. 
Accidentally added twice the liquid. Never managed to solidify into cake.

Mistakes are made. 

Just because the sperm & egg are brought together, it's not always a baby.
Just like cake batter isn't cake.

Expand your comprehension

[merh]

Sept 28, 2022 7:37:24 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 28, 2022 7:30:27 GMT merh said:

You think Trump is a conservative?

That is funny

Actually, I think he leans more center Democrat........ like a lot of older New Yorkers. For all the good that did him, right?

BUT......... he did deliver on a lot of things that conservatives wanted. If it weren't for the scumbags like McCain & Co, the ACA would have been repealed Day 2, as well.

He bought favor with his new friends

[abbey1227]

Sept 28, 2022 9:24:12 GMT merh said:

If he screwed up making that cake, it isn't going to be a cake. 
I did that. 
Accidentally added twice the liquid. Never managed to solidify into cake.

Mistakes are made. 

Just because the sperm & egg are brought together, it's not always a baby.
Just like cake batter isn't cake.

Expand your comprehension

Who is saying the majority of fetuses aborted are overly liquid cakes? Like he said, you went in with a baby......you left without one.

That doesn't mean the both of us still aren't pro-choice.

Yes, that's it exactly. The mistakes are made repeatedly by not properly using birth control. We all know this. It won't stop.

I do not need expanded comprehension. What is PP so scared of? And the Govt? Too scared a money laundering scheme will disappear? They'll lose their funding? Make the cheap thru the mail prescription widely available already. They've surpassed 50%.........let's get to 99%

[abbey1227]

Sept 28, 2022 9:24:56 GMT merh said:

Sept 28, 2022 7:37:24 GMT abbey1227 said:

Actually, I think he leans more center Democrat........ like a lot of older New Yorkers. For all the good that did him, right?

BUT......... he did deliver on a lot of things that conservatives wanted. If it weren't for the scumbags like McCain & Co, the ACA would have been repealed Day 2, as well.

He bought favor with his new friends

so he's learning to be a real politician?

How does that argue against his providing what his voters actually wanted? More than either Bush, that's for sure.

[merh]

Sept 28, 2022 9:52:20 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 28, 2022 9:24:56 GMT merh said:

He bought favor with his new friends

so he's learning to be a real politician?

How does that argue against his providing what his voters actually wanted? More than either Bush, that's for sure.

Did he not say BEFORE HE RAN he donated money where he needed to in order to grease the palms so he could get his projects done?

[merh]

Sept 28, 2022 9:50:02 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 28, 2022 9:24:12 GMT merh said:

If he screwed up making that cake, it isn't going to be a cake. 
I did that. 
Accidentally added twice the liquid. Never managed to solidify into cake.

Mistakes are made. 

Just because the sperm & egg are brought together, it's not always a baby.
Just like cake batter isn't cake.

Expand your comprehension

Who is saying the majority of fetuses aborted are overly liquid cakes? Like he said, you went in with a baby......you left without one.

That doesn't mean the both of us still aren't pro-choice.

Yes, that's it exactly. The mistakes are made repeatedly by not properly using birth control. We all know this. It won't stop.

I do not need expanded comprehension. What is PP so scared of? And the Govt? Too scared a money laundering scheme will disappear? They'll lose their funding? Make the cheap thru the mail prescription widely available already. They've surpassed 50%.........let's get to 99%

Like the ladies who go in thinking they have a baby but what they have is something that is going to not survive.

Lots of pregnancies go south.
Why the hell do you need to enhance your negative view of women that they are all doing it for their own convenience?

[abbey1227]

Sept 28, 2022 16:27:20 GMT merh said:

Sept 28, 2022 9:52:20 GMT abbey1227 said:

so he's learning to be a real politician?

How does that argue against his providing what his voters actually wanted? More than either Bush, that's for sure.

Did he not say BEFORE HE RAN he donated money where he needed to in order to grease the palms so he could get his projects done?

And that's now wrong? He learned how to grease the wheels in NYC......... one of the most corrupt places on the planet. Dealing with the Govt AND the Mob at the same time. THAT has to be a sign of some ability, right?

[abbey1227]

Sept 28, 2022 16:34:02 GMT merh said:

Like the ladies who go in thinking they have a baby but what they have is something that is going to not survive.

Lots of pregnancies go south.
Why the hell do you need to enhance your negative view of women that they are all doing it for their own convenience?

My negative view of women stems from their claims that they are equal.........then sticking their hands out waiting on donations left and right.

[merh]

Sept 28, 2022 23:37:26 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 28, 2022 16:34:02 GMT merh said:

Like the ladies who go in thinking they have a baby but what they have is something that is going to not survive.

Lots of pregnancies go south.
Why the hell do you need to enhance your negative view of women that they are all doing it for their own convenience?

My negative view of women stems from their claims that they are equal.........then sticking their hands out waiting on donations left and right.

But the guys willing to watch TV on their baby mama's couch are ok?