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Post by Prometheus on Feb 10, 2021 2:21:32 GMT
especially when it's tied to the obvious racism which we're all supposed to hate.
I'm betting that plenty of people in every country around the world are using products from domestic companies that have ties to their government and its apparatuses and they're using products that have ties to the intelligence communities and military of other countries.
Just ask Edward Snowden.
But if you're scared that some big corporation is out there stealing your data and using it to manipulate you, I suggest you stop using Facebook, Google,....
Hey, you might want to stop using the internet entirely as it was created by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
And no more flying, since Boeing and Lockheed Martin have some obvious ties to the military.
And stop talking on your cell phones and watching TV or anything else that might be using communications satellites developed through partnerships with General Dynamics and launched into space by NASA.
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Post by Nightman on Feb 10, 2021 21:37:49 GMT
There is some standard racism, but I think the anti-China stuff that has started in the past few years is more about jealousy and fear.
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Post by Prometheus on Feb 11, 2021 2:50:32 GMT
There is some standard racism, but I think the anti-China stuff that has started in the past few years is more about jealousy and fear. Some of it is jealousy. The country took its economy from the bottom of the heap to the top in a bit over 30 years, but they did it with a loooot of help from foreign investors looking to cash in on cheap labor, even while denouncing working conditions.
Fear? Of course. That's what happens when you decide to "ride the tiger."
But let's not forget the racism institutionalized in our language - racism far more real than the imagined racism of "master bedroom":
"Chinese fire brigade" "Chinese Auction" "Chinese Whispers"
"Chinese" = "confusing"
"Those inscrutable Chinese" = can't trust them
And there are more, but on the plus side, I'm unaware of any instances where the use of any of these racist terms instigated the takeover of a college administration building with the protestors demanding that a Panda Express be built on campus.
I digress....
The article linked is pure racism - the perpetual cancel culture: "How well can we trust these shows when Chinese money was involved?"
Do you think there would be as many Covid conspiracy theories if it had started in the UK?
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Post by ant-mac on Feb 11, 2021 14:54:59 GMT
especially when it's tied to the obvious racism which we're all supposed to hate.
I'm betting that plenty of people in every country around the world are using products from domestic companies that have ties to their government and its apparatuses and they're using products that have ties to the intelligence communities and military of other countries.
Just ask Edward Snowden.
But if you're scared that some big corporation is out there stealing your data and using it to manipulate you, I suggest you stop using Facebook, Google,....
Hey, you might want to stop using the internet entirely as it was created by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
And no more flying, since Boeing and Lockheed Martin have some obvious ties to the military.
And stop talking on your cell phones and watching TV or anything else that might be using communications satellites developed through partnerships with General Dynamics and launched into space by NASA.
You make many good and obvious - if uncomfortable - points. |
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Post by ant-mac on Feb 11, 2021 14:58:00 GMT
There is some standard racism, but I think the anti-China stuff that has started in the past few years is more about jealousy and fear. I don't get the jealousy, but I do "understand" the fear, due to their recent apparent aggressive and domineering resurgence onto the world stage. Although, at the end of the day, they're not the first large and powerful nation in the modern era to throw their weight around a bit. |
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Post by ant-mac on Feb 11, 2021 15:11:02 GMT
There is some standard racism, but I think the anti-China stuff that has started in the past few years is more about jealousy and fear. Some of it is jealousy. The country took its economy from the bottom of the heap to the top in a bit over 30 years, but they did it with a loooot of help from foreign investors looking to cash in on cheap labor, even while denouncing working conditions.
Fear? Of course. That's what happens when you decide to "ride the tiger."
But let's not forget the racism institutionalized in our language - racism far more real than the imagined racism of "master bedroom":
"Chinese fire brigade" "Chinese Auction" "Chinese Whispers"
"Chinese" = "confusing"
"Those inscrutable Chinese" = can't trust them
And there are more, but on the plus side, I'm unaware of any instances where the use of any of these racist terms instigated the takeover of a college administration building with the protestors demanding that a Panda Express be built on campus.
I digress....
The article linked is pure racism - the perpetual cancel culture: "How well can we trust these shows when Chinese money was involved?"
Do you think there would be as many Covid conspiracy theories if it had started in the UK?
I've never heard of "Chinese fire brigade" or "Chinese Auction", but I've heard of and played "Chinese Whispers" as a child... I also performed "Chinese burns" on other children. ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif) And I always felt that "Those inscrutable Chinese" simply meant they were either unknowable or, at best, very difficult to get to know or understand. However, I generally accept your overall point. |
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Post by Prometheus on Feb 11, 2021 16:18:33 GMT
Some of it is jealousy. The country took its economy from the bottom of the heap to the top in a bit over 30 years, but they did it with a loooot of help from foreign investors looking to cash in on cheap labor, even while denouncing working conditions.
Fear? Of course. That's what happens when you decide to "ride the tiger."
But let's not forget the racism institutionalized in our language - racism far more real than the imagined racism of "master bedroom":
"Chinese fire brigade" "Chinese Auction" "Chinese Whispers"
"Chinese" = "confusing"
"Those inscrutable Chinese" = can't trust them
And there are more, but on the plus side, I'm unaware of any instances where the use of any of these racist terms instigated the takeover of a college administration building with the protestors demanding that a Panda Express be built on campus.
I digress....
The article linked is pure racism - the perpetual cancel culture: "How well can we trust these shows when Chinese money was involved?"
Do you think there would be as many Covid conspiracy theories if it had started in the UK?
I've never heard of "Chinese fire brigade" or "Chinese Auction", but I've heard of and played "Chinese Whispers" as a child... I also performed "Chinese burns" on other children. And I always felt that "Those inscrutable Chinese" simply meant they were either unknowable or, at best, very difficult to get to know or understand.However, I generally accept your overall point. |
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Post by Nightman on Feb 11, 2021 17:21:26 GMT
There is some standard racism, but I think the anti-China stuff that has started in the past few years is more about jealousy and fear. Some of it is jealousy. The country took its economy from the bottom of the heap to the top in a bit over 30 years, but they did it with a loooot of help from foreign investors looking to cash in on cheap labor, even while denouncing working conditions.
Fear? Of course. That's what happens when you decide to "ride the tiger."
But let's not forget the racism institutionalized in our language - racism far more real than the imagined racism of "master bedroom":
"Chinese fire brigade" "Chinese Auction" "Chinese Whispers"
"Chinese" = "confusing"
"Those inscrutable Chinese" = can't trust them
And there are more, but on the plus side, I'm unaware of any instances where the use of any of these racist terms instigated the takeover of a college administration building with the protestors demanding that a Panda Express be built on campus.
I digress....
The article linked is pure racism - the perpetual cancel culture: "How well can we trust these shows when Chinese money was involved?"
Do you think there would be as many Covid conspiracy theories if it had started in the UK?
I never heard any of those phrases before. It may be a regional thing. Actually, there probably would still be many covid conspiracies if it began in Britain, but the ire would be targeted towards Muslims. |
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Post by Nightman on Feb 11, 2021 17:27:32 GMT
There is some standard racism, but I think the anti-China stuff that has started in the past few years is more about jealousy and fear. I don't get the jealousy, but I do "understand" the fear, due to their recent apparent aggressive and domineering resurgence onto the world stage. Although, at the end of the day, they're not the first large and powerful nation in the modern era to throw their weight around a bit. The jealousy stems from the fact that China gets away with doing some things the American right-wing would like to do. Toss Muslims into camps, have the lower classes work for low wages in terrible conditions, etc; and while they do it, they are growing ever more powerful. |
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Post by ant-mac on Feb 11, 2021 18:18:44 GMT
I've never heard of "Chinese fire brigade" or "Chinese Auction", but I've heard of and played "Chinese Whispers" as a child... I also performed "Chinese burns" on other children. And I always felt that "Those inscrutable Chinese" simply meant they were either unknowable or, at best, very difficult to get to know or understand.However, I generally accept your overall point. Yes, I've heard of that phrase too. I wouldn't know until I'd interacted with them. Actions speak louder than words... or people's suspicions. Besides, I've been betrayed before by people I did know and understand, which just goes to prove there's no guarantees in life. |
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Post by ant-mac on Feb 11, 2021 18:20:28 GMT
I don't get the jealousy, but I do "understand" the fear, due to their recent apparent aggressive and domineering resurgence onto the world stage. Although, at the end of the day, they're not the first large and powerful nation in the modern era to throw their weight around a bit. The jealousy stems from the fact that China gets away with doing some things the American right-wing would like to do. Toss Muslims into camps, have the lower classes work for low wages in terrible conditions, etc; and while they do it, they are growing ever more powerful. Strangely, as a left-wing Aussie, I never considered the point-of-view of right-wing Yanks when I made my post. Silly me.  |
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Post by Prometheus on Feb 12, 2021 1:21:43 GMT
We called them "Indian Burns."Can you trust someone you can't know or understand? Yes, I've heard of that phrase too. I wouldn't know until I'd interacted with them. Actions speak louder than words... or people's suspicions. Besides, I've been betrayed before by people I did know and understand, which just goes to prove there's no guarantees in life. Not to put too fine a point on it, but I suspect that you were betrayed by people you didn't know or understand as well as you thought you did.... |
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Post by ant-mac on Feb 12, 2021 1:22:52 GMT
Yes, I've heard of that phrase too. I wouldn't know until I'd interacted with them. Actions speak louder than words... or people's suspicions. Besides, I've been betrayed before by people I did know and understand, which just goes to prove there's no guarantees in life. Not to put too fine a point on it, but I suspect that you were betrayed by people you didn't know or understand as well as you thought you did.... Oh, it wasn't a surprise. It was just a shame. |
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Post by Prometheus on Feb 12, 2021 1:30:23 GMT
Some of it is jealousy. The country took its economy from the bottom of the heap to the top in a bit over 30 years, but they did it with a loooot of help from foreign investors looking to cash in on cheap labor, even while denouncing working conditions.
Fear? Of course. That's what happens when you decide to "ride the tiger."
But let's not forget the racism institutionalized in our language - racism far more real than the imagined racism of "master bedroom":
"Chinese fire brigade" "Chinese Auction" "Chinese Whispers"
"Chinese" = "confusing"
"Those inscrutable Chinese" = can't trust them
And there are more, but on the plus side, I'm unaware of any instances where the use of any of these racist terms instigated the takeover of a college administration building with the protestors demanding that a Panda Express be built on campus.
I digress....
The article linked is pure racism - the perpetual cancel culture: "How well can we trust these shows when Chinese money was involved?"
Do you think there would be as many Covid conspiracy theories if it had started in the UK?
I never heard any of those phrases before. It may be a regional thing. Actually, there probably would still be many covid conspiracies if it began in Britain, but the ire would be targeted towards Muslims. Maybe they're just a little older than you.
A "Chinese Auction" is where you choose a wrapped "gift" from a table then may opt to exchange it for a gift that has already been chosen by another person. Then that person can exchange with another person but not the person with whom they just exchanged... and so on depending on how you set the rules. " Chinese Whispers" is also known as "Telephone".
"Actually, there probably would still be many covid conspiracies if it began in Britain, but the ire would be targeted towards Muslims."
Quite possible, but the racism is still obvious, right?
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Post by Prometheus on Feb 12, 2021 1:31:07 GMT
Not to put too fine a point on it, but I suspect that you were betrayed by people you didn't know or understand as well as you thought you did.... Oh, it wasn't a surprise. It was just a shame. Dig the sig, brother. Dig the sig. |
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Post by Nightman on Feb 12, 2021 15:08:16 GMT
The jealousy stems from the fact that China gets away with doing some things the American right-wing would like to do. Toss Muslims into camps, have the lower classes work for low wages in terrible conditions, etc; and while they do it, they are growing ever more powerful. Strangely, as a left-wing Aussie, I never considered the point-of-view of right-wing Yanks when I made my post. Silly me. Always consider the pov of the enemy. That way, they can never surprise you. |
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Post by Nightman on Feb 12, 2021 15:17:02 GMT
I never heard any of those phrases before. It may be a regional thing. Actually, there probably would still be many covid conspiracies if it began in Britain, but the ire would be targeted towards Muslims. Maybe they're just a little older than you.
A "Chinese Auction" is where you choose a wrapped "gift" from a table then may opt to exchange it for a gift that has already been chosen by another person. Then that person can exchange with another person but not the person with whom they just exchanged... and so on depending on how you set the rules. " Chinese Whispers" is also known as "Telephone".
"Actually, there probably would still be many covid conspiracies if it began in Britain, but the ire would be targeted towards Muslims."
Quite possible, but the racism is still obvious, right?
I only played Telephone once, in elementary school. It's fun, but they were too heavy-handed with its metaphor, even for kids. Never heard of Chinese Fire Drill either. Chinese Auction sounds similar to a game show I caught a few seconds of once. If possibly, people will choose the most racist available conspiracy theory, true. |
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Post by Prometheus on Feb 12, 2021 15:34:04 GMT
Maybe they're just a little older than you.
A "Chinese Auction" is where you choose a wrapped "gift" from a table then may opt to exchange it for a gift that has already been chosen by another person. Then that person can exchange with another person but not the person with whom they just exchanged... and so on depending on how you set the rules. " Chinese Whispers" is also known as "Telephone".
"Actually, there probably would still be many covid conspiracies if it began in Britain, but the ire would be targeted towards Muslims."
Quite possible, but the racism is still obvious, right?
I only played Telephone once, in elementary school. It's fun, but they were too heavy-handed with its metaphor, even for kids. Never heard of Chinese Fire Drill either. Chinese Auction sounds similar to a game show I caught a few seconds of once. If possibly, people will choose the most racist available conspiracy theory, true. You need to travel outside of Vegas once in a while.... |
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Post by ant-mac on Feb 12, 2021 16:58:20 GMT
Strangely, as a left-wing Aussie, I never considered the point-of-view of right-wing Yanks when I made my post. Silly me. Always consider the pov of the enemy. That way, they can never surprise you. I'm pretty sure I won't run into many right-wing Yanks out here in boondocks... Just a few right-wing Aussies... Who are probably the equivalent of an average member of the Democrat Party. |
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Post by Nightman on Feb 12, 2021 20:18:20 GMT
I only played Telephone once, in elementary school. It's fun, but they were too heavy-handed with its metaphor, even for kids. Never heard of Chinese Fire Drill either. Chinese Auction sounds similar to a game show I caught a few seconds of once. If possibly, people will choose the most racist available conspiracy theory, true. You need to travel outside of Vegas once in a while.... . |
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