Heroes to Fringe

[abbey1227]

Fox News
Trudeau tweet surfaces from early 2020, shows radical flip in attitude toward truckers
Emma Colton       Tue, February 1, 2022, 7:02 AM·3 min read

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau once heralded truck drivers for their work during the pandemic before slamming those same truckers for allegedly spewing "hateful rhetoric" during their "Freedom Convoy" protest against a vaccine mandate.

"While many of us are working from home, there are others who aren’t able to do that - like the truck drivers who are working day and night to make sure our shelves are stocked. So when you can, please #ThankATrucker for everything they’re doing and help them however you can," Trudeau tweeted on March 31, 2020.

Trudeau’s tweet came as the coronavirus was first spreading around the world and Canada implemented lockdowns in an attempt to stop the spread.

TRUDEAU SLAMS 'FREEDOM CONVOY' FOR 'HATEFUL REHTORIC,' PREFERS TO SUPPORT BLM PROTESTERS

Nearly two years later, Trudeau is slamming the same truck drivers as they protest the federal government’s vaccine mandates for cross-border truckers.

Trudeau addressed the nation Monday afternoon and accused the truckers and other protesters of spewing "hateful rhetoric," expressing "violence toward fellow citizens" and being "an insult to memory and truth."

The "Freedom Convoy" reached Ottawa last weekend and was joined by thousands of other protesters taking to the streets and demanding vaccine mandates and other coronavirus restrictions be repealed.

CRITICS MOCK 'PUPPET' TRUDEAU FOR FLEEING CAPITAL DURING TRUCKERS PROTEST: 'TYRANT ON THE RUN'

The grassroots protests have been overwhelmingly described as peaceful, with most disturbances coming in the form of people dancing, chanting and honking horns. Police in Ottawa did say they are investigating some possible criminal charges regarding people allegedly urinating on a war memorial and displaying a sign reading "Mandate Freedom" on the statue of Canadian athlete Terry Fox.

Critics lambasted the prime minister for accusing the protesters of being violent and hateful.

"This country right now is like a raw nerve and the prime minister is jumping up and down on it again and again with his inflammatory record rhetoric," member of Parliament Pierre Poilievre told the House of Commons on Monday. "We're talking about people who have 14-year-old kids that are suicidal after two years of lockdowns."

CANADIAN 'FREEDOM' TRUCKERS MASSIVE VACCINE MANDATE PROTEST CONVOY MAY SMASH WORLD RECORD

During Trudeau’s press conference, which was held virtually following his positive coronavirus test earlier on Monday, he also expressed that he supports Canadians holding protests when he agrees with their platforms, and highlighted the Black Lives Matter movement as a gleaming example.

His Monday statements were only his latest remarks slamming truckers and their protest. Last week, he attempted to downplay the trucking convoy as being composed of a "small fringe minority" of people who hold "unacceptable views."

His remarks were quickly condemned when protesters descended on the city Saturday in vast numbers.

MUSK MOCKS TRUDEAU, SAYS 'FREEDOM' TRUCKERS PROTEST PROVES 'SMALL FRINGE MINORITY' IS THE GOVERNMENT

"It would appear that the so-called ‘fringe minority’ is actually the government," Tesla CEO and billionaire Elon Musk tweeted.

The prime minister’s handling of the protests and resulting criticisms have been compounded by Trudeau reportedly fleeing his residence in the capital over alleged security threats ahead of the protests. He has been slammed as a "coward" who "ran away from your own citizens."

Despite the onslaught of criticism, Trudeau defended his comments denouncing the truckers in a series of tweets Monday evening.

The prime minister's office told Fox News Tuesday evening that Trudeau "continues to stand by those comments" in his 2020 tweet "and reiterated his support for Canadian truckers in his remarks at a press conference" on Monday. Trudeau thanked the "nearly 90% of truckers across the country who've gotten vaccinated" and continue working during his Monday remarks.

news.yahoo.com/trudeau-tweet-surfaces-early-2020-130220897.html

[merh]

One can speak up about one subset acting poorly like Biden saying protest is OK, but vandalism & looting was bad.

Your heroes

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Freedom Convoy: Police move in as public turns on truckers blocking highway to US
Sravasti Dasgupta
Tue, February 1, 2022, 10:57 PM·

Authorities in Canada are moving to clear truckers blockading the US-Canada border to protest the Covid-19 vaccine mandates.

In a statement on Tuesday, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), Alberta said: “What may have begun as a peaceful assembly quickly turned into an unlawful blockade.”

“While the Alberta RCMP has been in a position to conduct enforcement, we have been engaged with protesters at the Coutts border crossing in an effort to find a peaceful and safe resolution for all involved.”

“We thought we had a path to resolution, the protesters eventually chose not to comply.”

“As of this morning, further action is being taken by the Alberta RCMP as this blockade continues to impede the ability for emergency agencies to provide full services to area residents,” it added.

“It has also negatively impacted the flow of goods and services, and impedes the public’s freedom of movement.”

The truckers protest at the border is part of the ongoing nationwide “Freedom Convoy” protest against Covid mandates.

The protest at the border started after the Canadian government issued a mandate requiring Canadian truckers to be fully vaccinated from 15 January in a bid to control the spread of Covid.

Alberta Premier Jason Kenney referred to the protest as “unlawful” at a news conference on Tuesday and urged the protesters to remain peaceful.

“We have now received reports of RCMP officers being swarmed,” he was quoted as saying by CTV.

“That’s not peaceful. For our situation here in Alberta, once again I would plead for calm and ask folks whose tempers may be running high to channel that frustration into peaceful and lawful protest.”

“To the folks who are so frustrated, I share the frustration,” he added.

“Please understand that we have tried to take a minimal approach to restrictions, but a necessary one to avoid even more damaging cancellations to surgeries.”

While the blockade appeared to be smaller on Tuesday, Canadian Press reported that vehicles could be seen at the border as far as the eye could see.

Authorities said that more trucks had arrived as they tried to move the protesters.

“We (began) to remove some vehicles from the protest area,” said RCMP Cpl Curtis Peters.

“A few left. I didn’t get an exact count of how many went out. And then we received notification that additional protesters were arriving on the scene and came around our secured area.”

The blockade has left several dozens of truckers stranded in the cold.

“I'm all for if you want to protest, but they've taken this way, way too far,” said Garnet Lang a trucker bringing in oil rig materials from Texas to Alberta to CTV.

“They've got a four-lane highway and one of the major crossings into the US blocked.”

“That's not how Canadians behave,” said trucker Lovepreet Singh to The Canadian Press.

“There are people (that) have medical issues like blood pressure issues, thyroid issues, asthma.”

Alberta’s minister of transportation Rajan Sawhney also urged truckers to end the protest in a statement on Twitter.

“Everyone has the right to protest peacefully, but our supply chain and the livelihoods of those trying to cross the border should not suffer because of that,” she said.

Canada’s prime minister who recently announced that he has tested positive for Covid and urged everyone to get vaccinated and boosted has refused to meet the protesters.

“We are not intimidated by those who hurl abuse at small business workers and steal food from the homeless,” he said in an address to the nation on Monday.

“We won’t give in to those who fly racist flags. We won’t cave to those who engage in vandalism.”

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'Hostages in our own city': Ottawa residents say '#GoHomeTruckers' as convoy protest noise, blockades turn to 'a form of torture'
Elisabetta Bianchini
Wed, February 2, 2022, 9:44 AM

Ottawa Police Service confirmed Wednesday three individuals have been arrested related to the ongoing demonstrations in Ottawa.

One person has been charged with mischief under $5,000, another has been charged with carrying a weapon to a public meeting, and the third was charged with uttering threats and counseling to commit an indictable offence not committed.

"We want to be very clear, both for the current demonstrations and any planned demonstrations—illegal activity will not be tolerated," a tweet from Ottawa police reads.

Several people who live in Ottawa continue to call for the demonstrators to leave the city they have occupied for days. Many are having trouble getting to work, and others are unable to sleep with the constant noise from the protest.


Olivia Rania Bowden
@oliviabowden__
·
Feb 2, 2022
Spoke to a friend in Ottawa and people who aren't in Ottawa may not get the scale of this thing....

the city is under siege, residents feel unsafe, everything is closed, incessant honking/screams. people being called racial slurs.

And Ford didn't talk about it until yesterday.
Raptor Girl SK
@raptorgirlsk
The honking through the night happening almost a week is a form of torture. Forced sllep deprivation is a form of torture. The city is required to issue tickets for that and they won't. This is disturbing.
8:09 AM · Feb 2, 2022


Lucy van Oldenbarnev
@lucyvanolden
People have had it with this feral mob occupying our city.

This man stands alone with his sign tonight but he speaks for the vast majority of us.

Way to go buddy!

#GoHomeTruckers #GoHome
Caryma Sa'd - Lawyer + Political Commentator
This takes real guts & courage of one’s convictions.

#cdnpoli #antivaxxers #Ottawa

#GoHomeTruckers I’m an Ottawa citizen not living in the downtown core & I am full of anxiety with the fact that our police services cannot just break up this convoy & have them clear out for fear of the consequences. We are literally hostages in our own city.This is not freedom

— SherShaak (@sshaaked) February 1, 2022


Skunkypants
@skunkypants
I have employees who’d been coming into the office, now working from home because they can’t leave their apartment and another who is home so he can escort his wife to and from her job as a healthcare worker because she’s been accosted for the color of her skin. #GoHomeTruckers
Ashley Wunsch
@1dloveashley
With the government mandates and lockdowns, I could go for a walk, I could travel, I could watch movies and go bowling and shopping - I just need a mask and/or vaccine. With the convoy, I can’t even take out trash without being yelled at😳 twitter.com/althiaraj/stat
VBR
@lifeofvbr
#GoHomeTruckers an Ottawa ambulance was barely able to get by as he trucks slowly got the hell out of the way. #KarenConvoy #OttawaConvoy you guys lost any sound minded CND with this sad excuse of #terrorism
Amber Mac
@ambermac
·
Feb 1, 2022
Unbelievable. After everything we have all gone through for almost two years, Ottawa residents are left trapped in their city without leadership, respect, or help.

#OttawaOccupation
Greg Brady
@gregbradyto
Ottawa cop DMs me (I called a mutual friend to be sure that's who was messaging me):

"You have to get this out there. We had orders to stand down & 'observe'. We can't stand the sight of ourselves letting the people down who pay our salaries. More action is happening now...1/
Jennifer Flanagan
@actuaceo
It is almost 10pm and I can’t get my child to sleep because the noise won’t stop. The windows are closed and the honking is ENDLESS. All night all day for 4.5 days.
6:46 PM · Feb 1, 2022

On Tuesday, Ontario Premier Doug Ford said "it’s time to let the people in Ottawa get back to their lives."

"As the capital of Canada, we're used to demonstration but it's time for this one to move on," Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson said on Monday.

"Businesses and organizations have been subjected to harassment and threats, and these disruptions have been financial debilitating to owners and staff. People who disagree with provincial and federal policies and legislation have the right to demonstrate but they don't have the right to take their frustration out on people living in our community."

Urinating on the monument to soldiers.
Assaulting workers at a homeless shelter demanding they give them food intended for the homeless...

[merh]

Significant element’ from U.S. involved in self-described ‘Freedom Convoy’ in Canada, official says

By Amanda Coletta and Annabelle Timsit
February 2, 2022|Updated February 2, 2022 at 8:36 p.m. EST

TORONTO — Ottawa police said Wednesday that a “significant element” from the United States has been involved in the participation, funding and organization of a self-described “Freedom Convoy” that has for several days jammed streets in the capital to protest public health measures and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

“They have converged in our city, and there are plans for more to come,” said Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly. He said that the participants, who also include locals and other Canadians, are “putting our city and our residents, our partners and our officers at great risk.”

The number of protesters has declined substantially from the thousands on Parliament Hill over the weekend. But a determined core group remains, officials say. With trucks noisily blocking streets, businesses shut down and residents frustrated for the sixth day, pressure has mounted on police to bring a resolution to the disruption

“We are trying to be responsible, lawful, ethical and measured,” Sloly said. “The longer this goes on, the more I am convinced there may not be a police solution in this demonstration.”

Meanwhile, media reported that there had been a breakthrough in a blockade of a busy U.S.-Canada border crossing in southern Alberta, with protesters agreeing to open up one lane of traffic in each direction, citing lawyers working with the group.

Canadian officials had denounced the blockade as “unlawful.” It has blocked traffic since Saturday, creating traffic chaos and disrupting the flow of goods and services in solidarity with the demonstrators in Ottawa.

“What may have begun as a peaceful assembly quickly turned into an unlawful blockade,” the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Alberta said in a statement Tuesday, pledging to take action to clear the blockade under local laws that prevent interference with critical infrastructure, after attempts to negotiate with the protesters broke down.

Alberta Premier Jason Kenney said Tuesday that he had been told of “people aligned with the protesters assaulting RCMP officers” and “trying to ram members … later leading to a collision with a civilian vehicle.”

The protests in Ottawa have sparked “several criminal investigations” into “threatening” and “illegal” behavior. Monuments including the National War Memorial were defaced, and demonstrators displayed “intimidating” behavior toward police and others, including staff members at a soup kitchen for homeless people, police said.

Some protesters carried Confederate flags, and at least one flag with a swastika drawn on it could be seen. Three people have been charged with offenses related to their actions during the protest, according to Ottawa police, and more than a dozen other investigations are underway.

Trudeau, who earlier said the demonstrations represented a “small fringe minority,” condemned protesters who displayed “symbols of hatred and division” this week. The convoy has garnered the support of several federal Conservative lawmakers.

A GoFundMe campaign for the Freedom Convoy organized by Tamara Lich — a former regional coordinator of “Wexit,” a movement pushing for Alberta to separate from Canada — had raised nearly $8 million as of Wednesday morning. The page says that it seeks funds for fuel, food and lodging and argues that vaccine mandates are “destroying the foundation of our businesses, industries and livelihoods.”

GoFundMe said Wednesday that it was pausing and reviewing the fundraiser “to ensure it complies with our terms of service and applicable laws and regulations.”

The convoy also has attracted support beyond Canada’s borders. Former president Donald Trump and Tesla founder Elon Musk, an opponent of vaccine mandates, have spoken in support of the truckers.

Canada and the United States announced last year that they would require truck drivers entering their respective countries to be fully vaccinated. Canada implemented its measure Jan. 15, while the U.S. requirement started on Jan. 22. Most cross-border trade between the two countries occurs over land.

If Canada were to drop its rule, unvaccinated Canadian truckers still would not be able to enter the United States.

The protest has snowballed into a demonstration against Trudeau, who was reelected in September with a minority government, and against coronavirus restrictions in general, which are imposed mostly by provincial governments

Canada Unity, one of the groups behind the protests, said it wanted the governor general, Queen Elizabeth II’s representative in Canada, and the Senate to rescind the mandates or to dissolve the government — which is beyond their constitutional powers.

The Canadian Trucking Alliance, an industry group, said Saturday that many of the people at the weekend’s protests “do not have a connection to the trucking industry.” The alliance said the vast majority of its members are fully vaccinated.

In Alberta, local lawmaker Grant Hunter, of the right-of-center United Conservative Party, sparked a controversy when he posted a photo from the Coutts border crossing over the weekend with the caption: “I brought the grandkids down to the Coutts border today to show them the importance of standing up for freedom and liberty.”

In a follow-up statement Tuesday, Hunter wrote that he exercised his “constitutional right” to support the protest and its goal of ending public health restrictions.

“When I was there, the highway remained open to traffic and was not blocked off,” he said. “I have stated my support to get back to normal in Alberta and move from pandemic to endemic. … That being said, a peaceful protest is not a blockade that stops people from moving freely and so I ask those who are blocking the Coutts border crossing to let people through.”

Sonya M. Savage, Alberta’s energy minister, tweeted Tuesday that while she supports “Canadians’ democratic rights to peaceful protest,” she believes that “blockades of critical infrastructure cross the line.”

“This blockade must end,” she said.

Jennifer Hassan and Adela Suliman contributed to this report

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/02/freedom-convoy-alberta-blockade-vaccine-mandate-protests/

[Prometheus]

I don't see a "flip."

I see a new comment on different behavior

I suppose it's like cheering on your child for winning the baseball game but being upset at them for getting an F in Math.

Both are reasonable responses given the circumstances. Maybe if the truckers had done better in school they'd understand the distinction.

That goes for you too, OP.

[merh]

Feb 4, 2022 11:11:57 GMT Prometheus said:

I don't see a "flip."

I see a new comment on different behavior

I suppose it's like cheering on your child for winning the baseball game but being upset at them for getting an F in Math.

Both are reasonable responses given the circumstances. Maybe if the truckers had done better in school they'd understand the distinction.

That goes for you too, OP.

So 90% of Canadian truckers are vaxxed.
Yet someone is blocking roads so those that want to do their damned jobs can't?

More like your kid's team winning, but then they get disqualified because their upper middle class asses threw tortillas at the playing field to mock the other, poorer, more Hispanic team

[abbey1227]

Feb 4, 2022 9:20:04 GMT merh said:

Significant element’ from U.S. involved in self-described ‘Freedom Convoy’ in Canada, official says

By Amanda Coletta and Annabelle Timsit
February 2, 2022|Updated February 2, 2022 at 8:36 p.m. EST

TORONTO — Ottawa police said Wednesday that a “significant element” from the United States has been involved in the participation, funding and organization of a self-described “Freedom Convoy” that has for several days jammed streets in the capital to protest public health measures and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

“They have converged in our city, and there are plans for more to come,” said Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly. He said that the participants, who also include locals and other Canadians, are “putting our city and our residents, our partners and our officers at great risk.”

The number of protesters has declined substantially from the thousands on Parliament Hill over the weekend. But a determined core group remains, officials say. With trucks noisily blocking streets, businesses shut down and residents frustrated for the sixth day, pressure has mounted on police to bring a resolution to the disruption

“We are trying to be responsible, lawful, ethical and measured,” Sloly said. “The longer this goes on, the more I am convinced there may not be a police solution in this demonstration.”

Meanwhile, media reported that there had been a breakthrough in a blockade of a busy U.S.-Canada border crossing in southern Alberta, with protesters agreeing to open up one lane of traffic in each direction, citing lawyers working with the group.

Canadian officials had denounced the blockade as “unlawful.” It has blocked traffic since Saturday, creating traffic chaos and disrupting the flow of goods and services in solidarity with the demonstrators in Ottawa.

“What may have begun as a peaceful assembly quickly turned into an unlawful blockade,” the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Alberta said in a statement Tuesday, pledging to take action to clear the blockade under local laws that prevent interference with critical infrastructure, after attempts to negotiate with the protesters broke down.

Alberta Premier Jason Kenney said Tuesday that he had been told of “people aligned with the protesters assaulting RCMP officers” and “trying to ram members … later leading to a collision with a civilian vehicle.”

The protests in Ottawa have sparked “several criminal investigations” into “threatening” and “illegal” behavior. Monuments including the National War Memorial were defaced, and demonstrators displayed “intimidating” behavior toward police and others, including staff members at a soup kitchen for homeless people, police said.

Some protesters carried Confederate flags, and at least one flag with a swastika drawn on it could be seen. Three people have been charged with offenses related to their actions during the protest, according to Ottawa police, and more than a dozen other investigations are underway.

Trudeau, who earlier said the demonstrations represented a “small fringe minority,” condemned protesters who displayed “symbols of hatred and division” this week. The convoy has garnered the support of several federal Conservative lawmakers.

A GoFundMe campaign for the Freedom Convoy organized by Tamara Lich — a former regional coordinator of “Wexit,” a movement pushing for Alberta to separate from Canada — had raised nearly $8 million as of Wednesday morning. The page says that it seeks funds for fuel, food and lodging and argues that vaccine mandates are “destroying the foundation of our businesses, industries and livelihoods.”

GoFundMe said Wednesday that it was pausing and reviewing the fundraiser “to ensure it complies with our terms of service and applicable laws and regulations.”

The convoy also has attracted support beyond Canada’s borders. Former president Donald Trump and Tesla founder Elon Musk, an opponent of vaccine mandates, have spoken in support of the truckers.

Canada and the United States announced last year that they would require truck drivers entering their respective countries to be fully vaccinated. Canada implemented its measure Jan. 15, while the U.S. requirement started on Jan. 22. Most cross-border trade between the two countries occurs over land.

If Canada were to drop its rule, unvaccinated Canadian truckers still would not be able to enter the United States.

The protest has snowballed into a demonstration against Trudeau, who was reelected in September with a minority government, and against coronavirus restrictions in general, which are imposed mostly by provincial governments

Canada Unity, one of the groups behind the protests, said it wanted the governor general, Queen Elizabeth II’s representative in Canada, and the Senate to rescind the mandates or to dissolve the government — which is beyond their constitutional powers.

The Canadian Trucking Alliance, an industry group, said Saturday that many of the people at the weekend’s protests “do not have a connection to the trucking industry.” The alliance said the vast majority of its members are fully vaccinated.

In Alberta, local lawmaker Grant Hunter, of the right-of-center United Conservative Party, sparked a controversy when he posted a photo from the Coutts border crossing over the weekend with the caption: “I brought the grandkids down to the Coutts border today to show them the importance of standing up for freedom and liberty.”

In a follow-up statement Tuesday, Hunter wrote that he exercised his “constitutional right” to support the protest and its goal of ending public health restrictions.

“When I was there, the highway remained open to traffic and was not blocked off,” he said. “I have stated my support to get back to normal in Alberta and move from pandemic to endemic. … That being said, a peaceful protest is not a blockade that stops people from moving freely and so I ask those who are blocking the Coutts border crossing to let people through.”

Sonya M. Savage, Alberta’s energy minister, tweeted Tuesday that while she supports “Canadians’ democratic rights to peaceful protest,” she believes that “blockades of critical infrastructure cross the line.”

“This blockade must end,” she said.

Jennifer Hassan and Adela Suliman contributed to this report

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/02/freedom-convoy-alberta-blockade-vaccine-mandate-protests/

gosh.......... that seems like some might have a problem with outside groups and people messing about in their areas?

Funding what they see as lawlessness?

That is a real shame. 

[Prometheus]

Feb 4, 2022 12:58:55 GMT merh said:

Feb 4, 2022 11:11:57 GMT Prometheus said:

I don't see a "flip."

I see a new comment on different behavior

I suppose it's like cheering on your child for winning the baseball game but being upset at them for getting an F in Math.

Both are reasonable responses given the circumstances. Maybe if the truckers had done better in school they'd understand the distinction.

That goes for you too, OP.

So 90% of Canadian truckers are vaxxed.
Yet someone is blocking roads so those that want to do their damned jobs can't?

More like your kid's team winning, but then they get disqualified because their upper middle class asses threw tortillas at the playing field to mock the other, poorer, more Hispanic team

1. Again: 2 different behaviors

2. Nope

[abbey1227]

Feb 5, 2022 0:09:11 GMT Prometheus said:

Feb 4, 2022 12:58:55 GMT merh said:

So 90% of Canadian truckers are vaxxed.
Yet someone is blocking roads so those that want to do their damned jobs can't?

More like your kid's team winning, but then they get disqualified because their upper middle class asses threw tortillas at the playing field to mock the other, poorer, more Hispanic team

1. Again: 2 different behaviors

2. Nope

oh. c'mon........... I kinda liked the symbolism of those tortilla tosses   

[merh]

Feb 5, 2022 3:14:23 GMT abbey1227 said:

Feb 5, 2022 0:09:11 GMT Prometheus said:

1. Again: 2 different behaviors

2. Nope

oh. c'mon........... I kinda liked the symbolism of those tortilla tosses   

TORTILLAS SHOULD NOT BE WASTED!!!

Burritos are excellent!!!

That said, I have picky crows.
I noticed someone left a Taco for them but they ate the stuffing, but not the tortilla (OK, it was corn which.is inferior), but then a month later I saw a stack of silver dollar pancake size flour tortillas & they have sat for days untouched

[merh]

[abbey1227]

Feb 5, 2022 14:43:22 GMT merh said:

Feb 5, 2022 3:14:23 GMT abbey1227 said:

oh. c'mon........... I kinda liked the symbolism of those tortilla tosses   

TORTILLAS SHOULD NOT BE WASTED!!!

Burritos are excellent!!!

Reminds me of that line from O Brother "Oh, George! Not the livestock."

[abbey1227]

Feb 5, 2022 14:46:16 GMT merh said:

I even heard talk that Trudeau was gonna send in the troops if the police were overwhelmed. What a fascist move sending in the stormtroopers, huh?

[merh]

Feb 5, 2022 14:59:47 GMT abbey1227 said:

Feb 5, 2022 14:46:16 GMT merh said:

I even heard talk that Trudeau was gonna send in the troops if the police were overwhelmed. What a fascist move sending in the stormtroopers, huh?

Have they?
A week in, where are the cops?

[merh]

[abbey1227]

Feb 5, 2022 21:07:45 GMT merh said:

Feb 5, 2022 14:59:47 GMT abbey1227 said:

I even heard talk that Trudeau was gonna send in the troops if the police were overwhelmed. What a fascist move sending in the stormtroopers, huh?

Have they?
A week in, where are the cops?

Gosh, that question sounds awfully familiar to early 2020 here in the US.      Maybe the truckers should form a CHOP/CHAZ zone? Call it the Summer of Love?

[abbey1227]

Feb 5, 2022 21:26:27 GMT merh said:

Seems like there's always fringe groups or individuals looking to attach themselves ..........and ruin things for others.

Whether it's the actually peaceful BLM protestors........that get their displays hijacked by arsonists and criminals.

Or more rightwing protestors. Apparently in both cases, some of them are very fine people   

Interesting to see it's not only in the US, but in Canada and Australia.......and even France. When the Govt is quashing it all down with tyrannical lock downs, of course. Poor Hong Kong.

[merh]

[abbey1227]

Feb 8, 2022 5:13:11 GMT merh said:

“No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine.”

― William Blum, Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower

[merh]

Feb 8, 2022 5:54:08 GMT abbey1227 said:

Feb 8, 2022 5:13:11 GMT merh said:

“No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine.”

― William Blum, Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower

In his books and online columns, Blum devoted substantial attention to CIA interventions and assassination plots. Noam Chomsky has called Blum's book Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II, "far and away the best book on the topic." Blum supported Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns. He circulated a monthly newsletter by email called "The Anti-Empire Report". Blum described his life's mission as: "If not ending, at least slowing down the American Empire. At least injuring the beast. It's causing so much suffering around the world."

In an interview with C-SPAN in 2006, Blum stated: "Speaking about U.S. foreign policy, which is my specialty, the authors I would most recommend would be Michael Parenti and Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman and Howard Zinn and Alexander Cockburn." According to Blum, left-wing publications such as The Nation declined to publish his work because they considered him too much of a fanatic.

Osama bin Laden statement 
In early 2006, Blum briefly became the subject of widespread media attention when Osama bin Laden issued a public statement in which he quoted Blum and recommended that all Americans read Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower. As a result of the mention, sales of his book greatly increased. "I was quite surprised and even shocked and amused when I found out what he'd said," Blum commented. "I was glad. I knew it would help the book's sales and I was not bothered by who it was coming from. If he shares with me a deep dislike for certain aspects of US foreign policy, then I'm not going to spurn any endorsement of the book by him. I think it's good that he shares those views and I'm not turned off by that." On the Bin Laden endorsement, Blum stated, "This is almost as good as being an Oprah book." In an interview on MSNBC Countdown, he said: "Basically it's US foreign policy which creates anti-American terrorists. It's the things we do to the world. It's not, as the White House tells us, that they hate our freedom and democracy. That's just propaganda."

In a May 22, 2006 article entitled "Come Out of the White House With Your Hands Up", Blum wrote: "Since the bin Laden recommendation, January 19, I have not been offered a single speaking engagement on any campus. . . . This despite January–May normally being the most active period for me and other campus speakers

So you like Chomsky & bin Laden?

Haven't I been saying the CIA has its own agenda?

[abbey1227]

Feb 8, 2022 18:00:56 GMT merh said:

Feb 8, 2022 5:54:08 GMT abbey1227 said:

“No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine.”

― William Blum, Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower

In his books and online columns, Blum devoted substantial attention to CIA interventions and assassination plots. Noam Chomsky has called Blum's book Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II, "far and away the best book on the topic." Blum supported Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns. He circulated a monthly newsletter by email called "The Anti-Empire Report". Blum described his life's mission as: "If not ending, at least slowing down the American Empire. At least injuring the beast. It's causing so much suffering around the world."

In an interview with C-SPAN in 2006, Blum stated: "Speaking about U.S. foreign policy, which is my specialty, the authors I would most recommend would be Michael Parenti and Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman and Howard Zinn and Alexander Cockburn." According to Blum, left-wing publications such as The Nation declined to publish his work because they considered him too much of a fanatic.

Osama bin Laden statement 
In early 2006, Blum briefly became the subject of widespread media attention when Osama bin Laden issued a public statement in which he quoted Blum and recommended that all Americans read Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower. As a result of the mention, sales of his book greatly increased. "I was quite surprised and even shocked and amused when I found out what he'd said," Blum commented. "I was glad. I knew it would help the book's sales and I was not bothered by who it was coming from. If he shares with me a deep dislike for certain aspects of US foreign policy, then I'm not going to spurn any endorsement of the book by him. I think it's good that he shares those views and I'm not turned off by that." On the Bin Laden endorsement, Blum stated, "This is almost as good as being an Oprah book." In an interview on MSNBC Countdown, he said: "Basically it's US foreign policy which creates anti-American terrorists. It's the things we do to the world. It's not, as the White House tells us, that they hate our freedom and democracy. That's just propaganda."

In a May 22, 2006 article entitled "Come Out of the White House With Your Hands Up", Blum wrote: "Since the bin Laden recommendation, January 19, I have not been offered a single speaking engagement on any campus. . . . This despite January–May normally being the most active period for me and other campus speakers

So you like Chomsky & bin Laden?

Haven't I been saying the CIA has its own agenda?

Like? No

But I'm aware of the actions of our Govt to allow both of them to flourish

So you believe they're some sort of Deep State/Establishment all by themselves? Weirdo.