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[merh]

[abbey1227]

Dec 27, 2021 1:01:20 GMT merh said:

Those Terms are acceptable

[abbey1227]

Dec 27, 2021 0:13:40 GMT merh said:

I could see my former clients refuse the vaccine.

Could you ever see leftists and their politicians shunning all the ODers the same way they're doing to the unvaxxed?

THAT is the funniest pat of all of this. The people and crap you will embrace and be tolerant of.

[merh]

Dec 27, 2021 1:04:29 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 27, 2021 1:01:20 GMT merh said:

Those Terms are acceptable

The comments went on to claim in Rome firefighters would show up & negotiate the price to put it the fire.

[abbey1227]

Dec 27, 2021 1:23:48 GMT merh said:

Dec 27, 2021 1:04:29 GMT abbey1227 said:

Those Terms are acceptable

The comments went on to claim in Rome firefighters would show up & negotiate the price to put it the fire.

There was a piece awhile back out of Arizona? someplace in the SW, IIRC.........wherhe people opted In or Out of their local fire protection.

If they opted out, the Fire Dept simply didn't respond to their address.

I have pissed off several people in recent months asking whether or not there's a Breaking Point in regards to cost of protection and simply letting an insured home burn?  Why people get so offended is beyond me.

[merh]

Dec 27, 2021 1:36:52 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 27, 2021 1:23:48 GMT merh said:

The comments went on to claim in Rome firefighters would show up & negotiate the price to put it the fire.

There was a piece awhile back out of Arizona? someplace in the SW, IIRC.........wherhe people opted In or Out of their local fire protection.

If they opted out, the Fire Dept simply didn't respond to their address.

I have pissed off several people in recent months asking whether or not there's a Breaking Point in regards to cost of protection and simply letting an insured home burn?  Why people get so offended is beyond me.

I thought that was somewhere in the Midwest 

The fire dept would show up to save the house next door, but let the unpaid one burn down

[merh]

My husband's work attitude

[merh]

Dude
Look at the uncle Sam poster

[abbey1227]

Dec 27, 2021 1:50:12 GMT merh said:

Dude
Look at the uncle Sam poster

same response as before........ you were ALL FOR Universal healthcare in the past........but now it's a problem?

[merh]

Dec 27, 2021 3:51:53 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 27, 2021 1:50:12 GMT merh said:

Dude
Look at the uncle Sam poster

same response as before........ you were ALL FOR Universal healthcare in the past........but now it's a problem?

I'm feeling sorry for the medical staff.
Many are wearing thin.

I said look at the Uncle Sam poster.
I love how everyone assumes welfare recipients are all democrats but there are just as many Republicans getting it.

[abbey1227]

Dec 27, 2021 6:48:55 GMT merh said:

Dec 27, 2021 3:51:53 GMT abbey1227 said:

same response as before........ you were ALL FOR Universal healthcare in the past........but now it's a problem?

I'm feeling sorry for the medical staff.
Many are wearing thin.

I said look at the Uncle Sam poster.
I love how everyone assumes welfare recipients are all democrats but there are just as many Republicans getting it.

Wearing thin? Especially the ones left behind working while their unvaxxed co-workers were told to stay away. 

Remember awhile back when I suggested separating the two groups of workers and patients as a partial solution?

I love how everyone assumes those against welfare are only against it for Democrats. 

[merh]

Dec 27, 2021 8:11:35 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 27, 2021 6:48:55 GMT merh said:

I'm feeling sorry for the medical staff.
Many are wearing thin.

I said look at the Uncle Sam poster.
I love how everyone assumes welfare recipients are all democrats but there are just as many Republicans getting it.

Wearing thin? Especially the ones left behind working while their unvaxxed co-workers were told to stay away. 

Remember awhile back when I suggested separating the two groups of workers and patients as a partial solution?

I love how everyone assumes those against welfare are only against it for Democrats. 

Certain professions don't matter.
Truck drivers, etc.

But other professions one is right up in people's faces.
Emergency workers for example.

Want an unvaccinated person performing CPR on you?
Remember Typhoid Mary?

Mary Mallon (September 23, 1869 – November 11, 1938), commonly known as Typhoid Mary, was an Irish-born American cook believed to have infected 53 people with typhoid fever, three of whom died, and the first person in the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the disease pathogen, Salmonella typhi. Because she persisted in working as a cook, by which she exposed others to the disease, she was twice forcibly quarantined by authorities, eventually for the final two decades of her life. Mallon died after a total of nearly 30 years in isolation.

Soper notified the New York City Health Department, whose investigators realized that Mallon was a typhoid carrier. Under sections 1169 and 1170 of the Greater New York Charter, Mallon was arrested as a public health threat. She was forced into an ambulance by five policemen and Dr. Josephine Baker, who at some point had to sit on Mallon to restrain her. Mallon was transported to the Willard Parker Hospital, where she was restrained and forced to give samples. For four days, she was not allowed to get up and use the bathroom on her own. The massive numbers of typhoid bacteria that were discovered in her stool samples indicated that the infection center was in her gallbladder. Under questioning, Mallon admitted that she almost never washed her hands. This was not unusual at the time; the germ theory of disease still was not fully accepted.

A lot of people assume my clients were all liberals.
I thought you were one of them. 

[abbey1227]

Dec 27, 2021 8:49:01 GMT merh said:

Certain professions don't matter.
Truck drivers, etc.

But other professions one is right up in people's faces.
Emergency workers for example.

Want an unvaccinated person performing CPR on you?
Remember Typhoid Mary?

A lot of people assume my clients were all liberals.
I thought you were one of them.

Truck drivers? People that travel from city to city, state to state and are kind of known  for not being the most hygienic of folk? Nope, nothing to worry about there. That's why all the High End hookers hang out in truck stops.

Emergency workers know what they're in for. Those too afraid can opt out, right? And my suggestion to separate the unvaxxed from the vaxxed isn't good enough?

Typhoid? So you're comparing a death rate of 10-30% with the much lower rate of covid?

I'd guess the majority of prisoners would end up voting Blue if given the opportunity........that's WHY your party favors giving them their voting rights back, yes? 

Just like welfare, I know there are people from all walks of life with all sorts of beliefs involved.

[merh]

Dec 27, 2021 9:01:12 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 27, 2021 8:49:01 GMT merh said:

Certain professions don't matter.
Truck drivers, etc.

But other professions one is right up in people's faces.
Emergency workers for example.

Want an unvaccinated person performing CPR on you?
Remember Typhoid Mary?

A lot of people assume my clients were all liberals.
I thought you were one of them.

Truck drivers? People that travel from city to city, state to state and are kind of known  for not being the most hygienic of folk? Nope, nothing to worry about there. That's why all the High End hookers hang out in truck stops.

Less human contact.

Emergency workers know what they're in for. Those too afraid can opt out, right? And my suggestion to separate the unvaxxed from the vaxxed isn't good enough?

Because they know when they go out to a place if the patient is vaxxed or not
They know who is vaxxed & who isn't when they come into the ER.

Typhoid? So you're comparing a death rate of 10-30% with the much lower rate of covid?

So the fact she was contagious, spreading a disease to her employers, went past you?

That she WAS TOLD NOT TO ENGAGE IN THAT EMPLOYMENT YET CONTINUED BECAUSE IT PAID BETTER.

Human nature.
Sadly many are going to do that.
Not care about others, but do what is best for themselves.

I'd guess the majority of prisoners would end up voting Blue if given the opportunity........that's WHY your party favors giving them their voting rights back, yes?

No.
They aren't voting Democrat.
Most don't vote
Most are pretty conservative.

Look at all those January 6 patriots.
You fine with them never being allowed to vote ever again?

Think they're voting blue?

Just like welfare, I know there are people from all walks of life with all sorts of beliefs involved.

The thing with the red side is they think they deserve it.
Like the moral abortion idea.
The idea all THOSE women are using abortion as birth control but MY ABORTION is because my birth control failed.

THOSE lazy people are sitting on their fat asses soaking up government benefits, while I deserve the benefits!

Are there people gaming the system?
Sure.
It's that old loophole thing.
Set up the system, someone it going to find the hole & exploit it.

Look at the whole Paycheck Protection loans.
A lot of businesses got that money that didn't deserve it. Many were Trump supporters.

https/tarzana-couple-convicted-18-million-043728653.html

Tarzana couple convicted in $18-million pandemic relief fraud flee and vanish, FBI says
Michael Finnegan, Gregory Yee
August 31, 2021·

A Tarzana couple are on the run from federal authorities after they sliced off their monitoring bracelets and fled while awaiting sentencing for the theft of millions of dollars in coronavirus pandemic relief funds, according to the FBI.

Richard Ayvazyan, 43, and Marietta Terabelian, 37, were convicted in June of conspiring with family members and others to fraudulently secure at least $18 million in emergency relief money.

The group, led by Ayvazyan, created an elaborate web of fictitious San Fernando Valley businesses to secure 151 loans under the Paycheck Protection and Economic Injury Disaster Loan programs.

The FBI’s Los Angeles office said on Twitter that the two are now considered fugitives.

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“They have international ties as well as local ties but we’re not ruling anything out as to where they may have fled,” FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller said.

Federal authorities believe that the couple fled on Sunday afternoon from the $3.25-million house in Tarzana that they bought with the loan money they stole, she said. They were convicted of conspiracy to commit bank fraud, conspiracy to launder money and related crimes. The government is in the process of confiscating the house through a court-approved forfeiture.

Starting in March 2020, the couple and their six co-conspirators used stolen identities to set up bank accounts for a web of Los Angeles shell companies that submitted fake payrolls and forged tax returns with their applications for emergency loans that were quickly approved as the government scrambled to contain the economic fallout from the pandemic.

On June 25, a federal jury in Los Angeles convicted Ayvazyan, Terabelian and two relatives for their roles in the scam. Four accomplices pleaded guilty on the eve of trial.

At the end of the trial, U.S. District Judge Stephen V. Wilson rejected a request from prosecutors to revoke Ayvazyan's bail and require him to await sentencing in jail. Ayvazyan's attorney, Ashwin J. Ram, argued that his client posed no flight risk as long as he was required to wear a location monitoring bracelet.

"While there is simply no reason for Ayvazyan to flee anywhere, it would be impossible for him to do so when he cannot even leave his driveway without the government's knowledge," Ram wrote in court papers, underlining words for emphasis. "And if Ayvazyan wanted to flee, he would have done so already."

The couple have three teenage children, who did not flee with their parents, according to people familiar with the matter.

Ram did not respond to a request for comment Wednesday.

Last week, after Ayvazyan and Terabelian asked Wilson for a six-week postponement of their Oct. 4 sentencing, prosecutors warned the judge there was a significant risk the couple would flee.

The couple, who were convicted of mortgage fraud a decade ago but were not sentenced to prison, are awaiting trial on state mortgage fraud charges unrelated to the pandemic, and they have a history of using fake or stolen identities, the prosecutors reminded Wilson.

"Defendants also have access to millions of dollars in stolen money the government has not yet been able to trace, furthering their potential means of escape and resources to evade law enforcement detection," they wrote.

Wilson declined to postpone the sentencing.

On Tuesday, Assistant U.S. Atty. Catherine Ahn asked Wilson to order the U.S. Probation Office to give prosecutors and investigators information the office has gathered on places where Ayvazyan and Terabelian have spent time, along with any records on their attempts to tamper with their monitoring bracelets. The probation agency's pretrial services officers require a court order to disclose such information, she said.

Loopholes

[abbey1227]

Dec 28, 2021 1:17:51 GMT merh said:

Less human contact.

Because they know when they go out to a place if the patient is vaxxed or not
They know who is vaxxed & who isn't when they come into the ER.

So the fact she was contagious, spreading a disease to her employers, went past you?

That she WAS TOLD NOT TO ENGAGE IN THAT EMPLOYMENT YET CONTINUED BECAUSE IT PAID BETTER.

Human nature.
Sadly many are going to do that.
Not care about others, but do what is best for themselves.


No.They aren't voting Democrat.Most don't vote Most are pretty conservative.

Look at all those January 6 patriots.
You fine with them never being allowed to vote ever again?
Think they're voting blue?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     The thing with the red side is they think they deserve it.
Like the moral abortion idea.
The idea all THOSE women are using abortion as birth control but MY ABORTION is because my birth control failed.

THOSE lazy people are sitting on their fat asses soaking up government benefits, while I deserve the benefits!

Are there people gaming the system?
Sure.
It's that old loophole thing.
Set up the system, someone it going to find the hole & exploit it.

Look at the whole Paycheck Protection loans.
A lot of businesses got that money that didn't deserve it. Many were Trump supporters.

https/tarzana-couple-convicted-18-million-043728653.html

Tarzana couple convicted in $18-million pandemic relief fraud flee and vanish, FBI says

Loopholes

Less contact, across a much wider range. Seems more a threat to spread across a wide area, as opposed to being in a smaller circle.

Hey, I've seen calls for vaccine cards and newer IDs for patients.......by the very same people who screamed about Voter IDs

No, it didn't get by me. I'm just never really surprised by people. AIDs ring a bell? Plenty of people ignored the knowledge they were infecting others and few were ever even charged or stopped.

THAT was sorta my point from the get go, dear. I KNEW dman well that you can not get all people to behave for any amount of time. Remember, I was fine with that 'flatten the curve' few week stoppage.........but I also predicted/knew it would get abused by the powers that be. And ignored by those who never really follow the law anyway. So it was never going to work as described. Why do you think I promoted just going out and getting covid to just get past it as quickly as possible?

There's no way Dems would favor returning those voting rights if they thought it would harm their party. That's why the GOP is against it, too.

I don't think the vast majority of those 'patriots' committed a crime. They were actually mostly peaceful.

And I'd disagree with the Reds on welfare just as much as the Blue. That has actually been a funny conversation with other so called' conservatives' over time. Their inability to be consistent with their arguments and beliefs. The Left doesn't have such problems because anything goes over there. 

Loopholes, my butt. That was a handout from the get go........and the fact that $Billions were defrauded doesn't shock me. It disgusts me, but it doesn't shock me. It's just what our Govt gets up to each and every day.

They can't even keep criminals like that couple in custody.

[merh]

[merh]

Dec 28, 2021 3:20:22 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 28, 2021 1:17:51 GMT merh said:

Less human contact.

Because they know when they go out to a place if the patient is vaxxed or not
They know who is vaxxed & who isn't when they come into the ER.

So the fact she was contagious, spreading a disease to her employers, went past you?

That she WAS TOLD NOT TO ENGAGE IN THAT EMPLOYMENT YET CONTINUED BECAUSE IT PAID BETTER.

Human nature.
Sadly many are going to do that.
Not care about others, but do what is best for themselves.


No.They aren't voting Democrat.Most don't vote Most are pretty conservative.

Look at all those January 6 patriots.
You fine with them never being allowed to vote ever again?
Think they're voting blue?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     The thing with the red side is they think they deserve it.
Like the moral abortion idea.
The idea all THOSE women are using abortion as birth control but MY ABORTION is because my birth control failed.

THOSE lazy people are sitting on their fat asses soaking up government benefits, while I deserve the benefits!

Are there people gaming the system?
Sure.
It's that old loophole thing.
Set up the system, someone it going to find the hole & exploit it.

Look at the whole Paycheck Protection loans.
A lot of businesses got that money that didn't deserve it. Many were Trump supporters.

https/tarzana-couple-convicted-18-million-043728653.html

Loopholes

Less contact, across a much wider range. Seems more a threat to spread across a wide area, as opposed to being in a smaller circle.

Hey, I've seen calls for vaccine cards and newer IDs for patients.......by the very same people who screamed about Voter IDs

No, it didn't get by me. I'm just never really surprised by people. AIDs ring a bell? Plenty of people ignored the knowledge they were infecting others and few were ever even charged or stopped.

THAT was sorta my point from the get go, dear. I KNEW dman well that you can not get all people to behave for any amount of time. Remember, I was fine with that 'flatten the curve' few week stoppage.........but I also predicted/knew it would get abused by the powers that be. And ignored by those who never really follow the law anyway. So it was never going to work as described. Why do you think I promoted just going out and getting covid to just get past it as quickly as possible?

There's no way Dems would favor returning those voting rights if they thought it would harm their party. That's why the GOP is against it, too.

I don't think the vast majority of those 'patriots' committed a crime. They were actually mostly peaceful.

And I'd disagree with the Reds on welfare just as much as the Blue. That has actually been a funny conversation with other so called' conservatives' over time. Their inability to be consistent with their arguments and beliefs. The Left doesn't have such problems because anything goes over there. 

Loopholes, my butt. That was a handout from the get go........and the fact that $Billions were defrauded doesn't shock me. It disgusts me, but it doesn't shock me. It's just what our Govt gets up to each and every day.

They can't even keep criminals like that couple in custody.

Less expected contact.
A cop is going to interact with a dozen or more people in a day while a trucker Less than that.

I have had my Kaiser card for a couple decades

I favor as many voting as possible because it feels like the basic American right. No taxation without representation with representation being voting so everyone should vote.  I assume my fellow Democrats feel the same.

[abbey1227]

Dec 28, 2021 5:41:23 GMT merh said:

That's precisely why jpat decided to lay off the weights early on............to reduce the strain on his respiratory system should he catch covid.

[abbey1227]

Dec 28, 2021 6:02:05 GMT merh said:

Less expected contact.
A cop is going to interact with a dozen or more people in a day while a trucker Less than that.

I have had my Kaiser card for a couple decades

I favor as many voting as possible because it feels like the basic American right. No taxation without representation with representation being voting so everyone should vote.  I assume my fellow Democrats feel the same.

You must not know many truckers. They hit gas stations or restaurants at least 2-4 times a day and interact with dozens of others. Like I said, the crossing of paths with people all over the states and entire country leads me to believe they are the greater threat of transmitting disease elsewhere. Sorta like airports are the big hubs nowadays, too.

Kaiser sounds like they been doing alright by you and their customers for years. Makes you wonder why the Govt wouldn't allow them to sell across all 50 states? And what's with these BS 'windows to sign up'? I can get car insurance, home insurance, life insurance any day of the year........but health insurance is limited somehow?

And now we've got over 1/2 the country being Net Losses when it comes to taxation. WHY should they receive representation? They're not actually paying for it......and predictably, they're voting for more and more taxation.

I have no doubt your fellow  Blues feel the same. Even the wealthiest of them still manage to avoid paying taxes wherever they can, too.........as opposed to the Talk they use non-stop. My Uncle was always that way, as well. Looked for every way to duck out on ever paying with his own money........but voted straight D ticket his whole life. His sons and I even laugh about the way he left a beautiful home in a nice neighborhood because he felt it had gotten too diverse for his tastes.     

[merh]

Dec 28, 2021 7:23:50 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 28, 2021 6:02:05 GMT merh said:

Less expected contact.
A cop is going to interact with a dozen or more people in a day while a trucker Less than that.

I have had my Kaiser card for a couple decades

I favor as many voting as possible because it feels like the basic American right. No taxation without representation with representation being voting so everyone should vote.  I assume my fellow Democrats feel the same.

You must not know many truckers. They hit gas stations or restaurants at least 2-4 times a day and interact with dozens of others. Like I said, the crossing of paths with people all over the states and entire country leads me to believe they are the greater threat of transmitting disease elsewhere. Sorta like airports are the big hubs nowadays, too.

Kaiser sounds like they been doing alright by you and their customers for years. Makes you wonder why the Govt wouldn't allow them to sell across all 50 states? And what's with these BS 'windows to sign up'? I can get car insurance, home insurance, life insurance any day of the year........but health insurance is limited somehow?

And now we've got over 1/2 the country being Net Losses when it comes to taxation. WHY should they receive representation? They're not actually paying for it......and predictably, they're voting for more and more taxation.

I have no doubt your fellow  Blues feel the same. Even the wealthiest of them still manage to avoid paying taxes wherever they can, too.........as opposed to the Talk they use non-stop. My Uncle was always that way, as well. Looked for every way to duck out on ever paying with his own money........but voted straight D ticket his whole life. His sons and I even laugh about the way he left a beautiful home in a nice neighborhood because he felt it had gotten too diverse for his tastes.     

Kaiser was Founded July 21, 1945; 76 years ago

Area served
California
Colorado
District of Columbia
Georgia
Hawaii
Maryland
Oregon
Virginia
Washington

We had it when I was under 7. Before dad got hurt.
Then when my husband worked at the grocery store in the 80s...so one card disintegrated (the plastic lining peeled off).  This was the 2nd I got in the 90s.

So cops & emergency workers don't interact with a soul all day long?

So Dems are just horrible, Rotten hypocrites?

Republicans are all good people.