I lost interest in wrestling years ago but...

[Prometheus]

[abbey1227]

Sept 2, 2021 2:58:21 GMT Prometheus said:

I posted a long and typically cynical response to this one last night..........but it somehow disappeared. (Maybe I goofed in the posting?)

But part of my response was in how it was only relatively recent that the NFL got around to establishing it's Legacy Fund for ex-players and old timers.

Then this popped up today.......

Yahoo Sports
Clinton Portis, other ex-NFL players plead guilty to defrauding league healthcare program
Jack Baer·Writer   Tue, September 7, 2021, 6:49 PM

Former Denver Broncos and Washington Football Team star Clinton Portis is among the latest batch of former NFL players who have pleaded guilty to defrauding a league healthcare program, according to the Associated Press.

Portis, Tamarick Vanover and Robert McCune all reportedly admitted to defrauding the Gene Upshaw NFL Player Health Reimbursement Account Plan, a program set up to reimburse up to $350,000 in medical expenses for retired players and their families.

McCune, who played as a linebacker for Washington, the Miami Dolphins and the Baltimore Ravens between 2005 and 2008, is facing the most serious charges of the group by far. The U.S. Department of Justice reportedly alleged he orchestrated the scheme that led to approximately $2.9 million in fraudulent claims.

He is reportedly facing life in prison after pleading guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud and health care fraud, 13 counts of health care fraud, 11 counts of wire fraud and three counts of aggravated identity theft. He is scheduled to be sentenced on Nov. 19.

Portis and Vanover reportedly pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit health care fraud and could face up to 10 years in prison. Court documents reportedly indicate Portis was responsible for nearly $100,000 in claims and Vanover nearly $160,000. Portis scheduled for sentencing on Jan. 6 and Vanover on Jan. 22.
What Clinton Portis and other ex-NFL players allegedly did

In the original indictment, the trio was part of a group of 12 players accused of submitting false claims for reimbursement for expensive medical equipment that was never purchased, such as hyperbaric oxygen chambers, ultrasound machines that are typically used on pregnant women, and electromagnetic therapy devices used on horses.

The ringleaders would allegedly find ex-players eligible for the program and offer to submit claims, fabricating documents and prescriptions in exchange for kickbacks.

Claims would allegedly be for about $40,000 to $50,000 and were submitted between June 2017 and Dec. 2018, eventually adding up to millions of dollars in fraud.

In addition to the three players who pleaded guilty on Tuesday, 12 other players, including former Pro Bowl wide receiver Joe Horn, have been charged and pleaded guilty.

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I also have little doubt many other programs and agencies run by the US Govt fall prey to similar activities. This scam is not something new.

[Prometheus]

Your solution to combating crime is to remove all opportunities for crime to happen?

All items in the store will be under lock and key, not just the "afro hair care products"?

People will be required to "boot" their own vehicles every time they park?

People will be required to have steel shield security on all doors and windows?

Where's the "personal responsibility" in all that?

[abbey1227]

Sept 8, 2021 3:46:17 GMT Prometheus said:

Your solution to combating crime is to remove all opportunities for crime to happen?

All items in the store will be under lock and key, not just the "afro hair care products"?

People will be required to "boot" their own vehicles every time they park?

People will be required to have steel shield security on all doors and windows?

Where's the "personal responsibility" in all that?

Say wha?  My approach is more about being tougher on crime and truth in sentencing.

Isn't that security already what many people have been forced to install in some areas?

The personal responsibility comes in with the "Don't do the crime, if ya can't do the time."

I was just gonna post yet another piece on an Asian being attacked........ I even thought I'd be OK from certain accusations since the perp's name was Vladimir    but then they had a photo of the guy.......and I know the retort will likely be about funding mental health facilities instead.

nypost.com/2021/09/07/nypd-commissioner-dermot-shea-outraged-over-bail-reform-laws/

[Prometheus]

Sept 8, 2021 7:38:42 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 8, 2021 3:46:17 GMT Prometheus said:

Your solution to combating crime is to remove all opportunities for crime to happen?

All items in the store will be under lock and key, not just the "afro hair care products"?

People will be required to "boot" their own vehicles every time they park?

People will be required to have steel shield security on all doors and windows?

Where's the "personal responsibility" in all that?

Say wha?  My approach is more about being tougher on crime and truth in sentencing.

Isn't that security already what many people have been forced to install in some areas?

The personal responsibility comes in with the "Don't do the crime, if ya can't do the time."

I was just gonna post yet another piece on an Asian being attacked........ I even thought I'd be OK from certain accusations since the perp's name was Vladimir    but then they had a photo of the guy.......and I know the retort will likely be about funding mental health facilities instead.

nypost.com/2021/09/07/nypd-commissioner-dermot-shea-outraged-over-bail-reform-laws/

Sorry. Since you mentioned that government programs would probably be scammed and you hate government programs, I thought you were going to say that the best way to keep the government from being scammed would be to NOT offer programs that could be defrauded: eliminating crime by eliminating the opportunity for crime to happen.

The old: no one can steal your wallet if you don't carry one routine.

[abbey1227]

Sept 8, 2021 11:32:42 GMT Prometheus said:

Sorry. Since you mentioned that government programs would probably be scammed and you hate government programs, I thought you were going to say that the best way to keep the government from being scammed would be to NOT offer programs that could be defrauded: eliminating crime by eliminating the opportunity for crime to happen.

The old: no one can steal your wallet if you don't carry one routine.

well, in the case of govt fraud, that argument does have some merit.

[Prometheus]

Sept 8, 2021 22:20:45 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 8, 2021 11:32:42 GMT Prometheus said:

Sorry. Since you mentioned that government programs would probably be scammed and you hate government programs, I thought you were going to say that the best way to keep the government from being scammed would be to NOT offer programs that could be defrauded: eliminating crime by eliminating the opportunity for crime to happen.

The old: no one can steal your wallet if you don't carry one routine.

well, in the case of govt fraud, that argument does have some merit.

No. It doesn't.