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Post by Prometheus on Jun 9, 2021 11:56:51 GMT
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 9, 2021 12:01:41 GMT
And yet, looking at the case and death numbers since the coronavirus pandemic began, it’s not obvious which states were cautious and which were not. New York, the original epicenter of the outbreak, has endured the second most deaths per capita behind New Jersey (271 per 100,000). Florida and Texas, despite much criticism of their laissez-faire approaches, rank right in the middle among states (26th and 24th, respectively) in the number of deaths per 100,000 people. California fared only marginally better, sitting at 30th.
Like so much in politics and these discussions it's a matter of opinion and perspective. Stat picking endures.
And WHY wouldn't Cali fare better than most economy-wise though? Haven't they bragged for years about having one of the largest economies on the planet by itself? much less compared to the rest of the 50? ![[giveup]](//storage.proboards.com/7182076/images/FSYefibmKqtatIXMgHZg.gif)
Imagine how much better they'd have done without shutting so much down? Nancy and Gavin could have gone out even more than they did, too
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 9, 2021 12:11:45 GMT
And yet, looking at the case and death numbers since the coronavirus pandemic began, it’s not obvious which states were cautious and which were not. New York, the original epicenter of the outbreak, has endured the second most deaths per capita behind New Jersey (271 per 100,000). Florida and Texas, despite much criticism of their laissez-faire approaches, rank right in the middle among states (26th and 24th, respectively) in the number of deaths per 100,000 people. California fared only marginally better, sitting at 30th.
Like so much in politics and these discussions it's a matter of opinion and perspective. Stat picking endures.
And WHY wouldn't Cali fare better than most economy-wise though? Haven't they bragged for years about having one of the largest economies on the planet by itself? much less compared to the rest of the 50?
Imagine how much better they'd have done without shutting so much down? Nancy and Gavin could have gone out even more than they did, too
1. The first cases were in Washington
All the rest: Read the article. I know you didn't. You didn't have time.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 9, 2021 12:59:46 GMT
1. The first cases were in Washington
All the rest: Read the article. I know you didn't. You didn't have time.
1. And? NYC was hit pretty hard early on, too. In fact, there was great debate as to whether or not covid actually hit Cali earlier than suspected and people just didn't know what made them sick or die.
I got to this point before jumping ship.........
Last week, this argument got a boost with the publication of a new report by economists at the University of California, Los Angeles. According to the latest quarterly UCLA Anderson Forecast, not only did big states with more stringent COVID measures end 2020 with fewer infections per capita, they also tended to post better economic growth numbers last year than states with fewer restrictions.
In other words, California’s economy actually fared better than Florida’s.
Yahoo News spoke with economist Jerry Nickelsburg, the director of the UCLA Anderson Forecast, to find out more.
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Cuz I'm sure Yahoo or some guy employed by the U of Cali has any sorts of bias in their views on this subject. I'll repeat myself, too. Cali has/had a huge economy compared to everyone else.....why wouldn't they do better than most covid or not?
It's not like everyone stayed home or ceased selling things people need. I'd also think Florida is much more of a tourist dependent state than California.........so that'd put a damper on their smaller economy, as well. It's tough to attract tourists when other places restrict them.
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 10, 2021 1:38:36 GMT
1. The first cases were in Washington
All the rest: Read the article. I know you didn't. You didn't have time.
1. And? NYC was hit pretty hard early on, too. In fact, there was great debate as to whether or not covid actually hit Cali earlier than suspected and people just didn't know what made them sick or die.
I got to this point before jumping ship.........
Last week, this argument got a boost with the publication of a new report by economists at the University of California, Los Angeles. According to the latest quarterly UCLA Anderson Forecast, not only did big states with more stringent COVID measures end 2020 with fewer infections per capita, they also tended to post better economic growth numbers last year than states with fewer restrictions.
In other words, California’s economy actually fared better than Florida’s.
Yahoo News spoke with economist Jerry Nickelsburg, the director of the UCLA Anderson Forecast, to find out more.
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Cuz I'm sure Yahoo or some guy employed by the U of Cali has any sorts of bias in their views on this subject. I'll repeat myself, too. Cali has/had a huge economy compared to everyone else.....why wouldn't they do better than most covid or not?
It's not like everyone stayed home or ceased selling things people need. I'd also think Florida is much more of a tourist dependent state than California.........so that'd put a damper on their smaller economy, as well. It's tough to attract tourists when other places restrict them.
"I can't teach from the grave!" made me especially laugh and roll my eyes. F'n teachers 1. You used the word "epicenter." You were wrong.
2. So... you didn't read the full article then use arguments to dismiss it even though those arguments were fully discussed (and dismissed) in the article.
You're a confirmation bias machine!
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 10, 2021 1:57:21 GMT
1. You used the word "epicenter." You were wrong.
2. So... you didn't read the full article then use arguments to dismiss it even though those arguments were fully discussed (and dismissed) in the article.
You're a confirmation bias machine!
1. Sorry, for any confusion, that paragraph came from Vox, not me. They claimed NY was the epicenter. Does it matter? Once it was inside the US, it was gonna spread.
2. Pretty much the same behavior seen whenever any conservatives like Mark Steyn or Mark Levin pieces get posted, though......right? I'm gonna have to continue to put Jimmy Kimmel, Anthony Fauci and Bill Nye into the same categories of people that I wouldn't want as neighbors, much less go to for advice.
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 10, 2021 2:05:58 GMT
1. You used the word "epicenter." You were wrong.
2. So... you didn't read the full article then use arguments to dismiss it even though those arguments were fully discussed (and dismissed) in the article.
You're a confirmation bias machine!
1. Sorry, for any confusion, that paragraph came from Vox, not me. They claimed NY was the epicenter. Does it matter? Once it was inside the US, it was gonna spread.
2. Pretty much the same behavior seen whenever any conservatives like Mark Steyn or Mark Levin pieces get posted, though......right? I'm gonna have to continue to put Jimmy Kimmel, Anthony Fauci and Bill Nye into the same categories of people that I wouldn't want as neighbors, much less go to for advice.
1. Yet it never had to spread so far, so fast.
2. Like I said....
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 10, 2021 2:23:58 GMT
1. Sorry, for any confusion, that paragraph came from Vox, not me. They claimed NY was the epicenter. Does it matter? Once it was inside the US, it was gonna spread.
2. Pretty much the same behavior seen whenever any conservatives like Mark Steyn or Mark Levin pieces get posted, though......right? I'm gonna have to continue to put Jimmy Kimmel, Anthony Fauci and Bill Nye into the same categories of people that I wouldn't want as neighbors, much less go to for advice.
1. Yet it never had to spread so far, so fast.
2. Like I said....
1. "If everyone would just......" just more unrealistic expectations of humanity
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 10, 2021 2:49:51 GMT
1. Yet it never had to spread so far, so fast.
2. Like I said....
1. "If everyone would just......" just more unrealistic expectations of humanity
And yet there are plenty examples where portions of humanity did the right thing and suffered much less.
Sounds like you want to play the victim, Abs. Do you need a safe space, snowflake?
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 10, 2021 13:13:06 GMT
1. "If everyone would just......" just more unrealistic expectations of humanity
And yet there are plenty examples where portions of humanity did the right thing and suffered much less.
Sounds like you want to play the victim, Abs. Do you need a safe space, snowflake?
How am I the victim?.....aside from the massive inconvenience over the last year for Covid? (And only because of my lifestyle, it wasn't nearly the inconvenience it was for others that have close family ties, etc)
Just keep in mind that the Supply of that charity is always outweighed by the Demand for it. That's why it's so important it remains a voluntary endeavor.
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 11, 2021 2:19:26 GMT
And yet there are plenty examples where portions of humanity did the right thing and suffered much less.
Sounds like you want to play the victim, Abs. Do you need a safe space, snowflake?
How am I the victim?.....aside from the massive inconvenience over the last year for Covid? (And only because of my lifestyle, it wasn't nearly the inconvenience it was for others that have close family ties, etc)
Just keep in mind that the Supply of that charity is always outweighed by the Demand for it. That's why it's so important it remains a voluntary endeavor.
If there's more charity than demand, why are there so many homeless? So many poor? So many hungry?
Don't give me any of that "personal responsibility" stuff. You threw it out the window when you said there was enough charity to go around already.
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 11, 2021 2:33:00 GMT
How am I the victim?.....aside from the massive inconvenience over the last year for Covid? (And only because of my lifestyle, it wasn't nearly the inconvenience it was for others that have close family ties, etc)
Just keep in mind that the Supply of that charity is always outweighed by the Demand for it. That's why it's so important it remains a voluntary endeavor.
If there's more charity than demand, why are there so many homeless? So many poor? So many hungry?
Don't give me any of that "personal responsibility" stuff. You threw it out the window when you said there was enough charity to go around already.
whoops........stop......wait...... reverse that.
EDIT: No, I had it right the first time...........there will never be enough supply for all those looking to be taken care of
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 11, 2021 2:41:02 GMT
If there's more charity than demand, why are there so many homeless? So many poor? So many hungry?
Don't give me any of that "personal responsibility" stuff. You threw it out the window when you said there was enough charity to go around already.
whoops........stop......wait...... reverse that.
EDIT: No, I had it right the first time...........there will never be enough supply for all those looking to be taken care of
Sorry. I misread you.
Mea culpa
Why isn't there enough charity? And if there isn't, shouldn't we be doing something about it?
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 11, 2021 11:45:52 GMT
Sorry. I misread you.
Mea culpa
Why isn't there enough charity? And if there isn't, shouldn't we be doing something about it?
Even in one of the most charitable places on Earth, there isn't enough charity to cover all that are asking.
WE? I really think you're purposefully ignoring a particular facet of human nature.
Tough love is needed more often than not. Enabling is not helping the problem, it's just making it worse. imo
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 11, 2021 12:33:57 GMT
Sorry. I misread you.
Mea culpa
Why isn't there enough charity? And if there isn't, shouldn't we be doing something about it?
Even in one of the most charitable places on Earth, there isn't enough charity to cover all that are asking.
WE? I really think you're purposefully ignoring a particular facet of human nature.
Tough love is needed more often than not. Enabling is not helping the problem, it's just making it worse. imo
So... you wouldn't even "teach a man to fish"?
Is the problem with humanity or with you?
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 11, 2021 13:17:05 GMT
So... you wouldn't even "teach a man to fish"?
Is the problem with humanity or with you?
What do you think my posting history has attempted to do?
I'm a part of humanity.......so you see, humanity has major issues.
In a similar way, NARCAN is something I think should be a life saving tool ONCE per customer......but after that? pffft
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 11, 2021 13:27:48 GMT
So... you wouldn't even "teach a man to fish"?
Is the problem with humanity or with you?
What do you think my posting history has attempted to do?
I'm a part of humanity.......so you see, humanity has major issues.
In a similar way, NARCAN is something I think should be a life saving tool ONCE per customer......but after that? pffft
You're not teaching anyone to fish, Abs. You're just getting angry that they haven't figured it out on their own yet.  |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 11, 2021 13:41:08 GMT
You're not teaching anyone to fish, Abs. You're just getting angry that they haven't figured it out on their own yet.
I disagree.
I've offered suggestions and advice repeatedly.
Many haven't and likely won't ever figure it out as the enabling continues.
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Post by Prometheus on Jun 11, 2021 23:55:22 GMT
You're not teaching anyone to fish, Abs. You're just getting angry that they haven't figured it out on their own yet.
I disagree.
I've offered suggestions and advice repeatedly.
Many haven't and likely won't ever figure it out as the enabling continues.
Really?
OK. Teach the people "how to fish."
Right here. Right now.
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Post by ant-mac on Jun 12, 2021 0:17:21 GMT
That approach also seems to have worked on an international level...
Certainly, some countries seemed to approach the challenge more aggressively and effectively than others.
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