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[merh]

Dec 8, 2022 2:15:33 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 7, 2022 21:39:26 GMT merh said:

Or the understanding of that era could never conceive what is available now.

Selling their intellect short yet again..........while insisting we're so smart now? 

Think they could conceive of cars?
Computers?
Airplanes?

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.  If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around(these banks) will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

The issuing power of currency shall be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Jefferson

Fact check: George Washington didn't say firearms are 'next in importance' to Constitution
Camille Caldera
USA TODAY
Portrait of George Washington by Gilbert Stuart.
The claim: George Washington said 'firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself.'
Posts on Facebook claim that George Washington, the first president of the United States, lauded firearms as "next in importance" to the Constitution.

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself," the quote reads. "Firearms are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence."

The image was created by Turning Point USA. A spokesperson for Turning Point USA told USA TODAY that the organization removed it from their social media last year after learning the quote was false.


It was most recently reposted by the page I'll go ahead and keep my guns, Thanks, which did not respond to request for comment from USA TODAY.

Did Washington say that?
To put it simply: No, he didn't.

The library at Mount Vernon — the founding father's estate in Virginia — keeps a running list of quotes misattributed to Washington, and a variant of the line on the importance of firearms as second only to the Constitution is on the list.

"This quotation does not show up in any of Washington's writings, nor does any closely related quote," the website explains.

The list of Spurious Quotations from Washington also contains multiple other misquotes about guns, which fact-checkers from USA TODAY, Snopes, Politifact, AFP, and others have previously debunked.

Fact check:George Washington didn't say citizens should arm themselves against government

What did Washington say about guns?
Not much, it turns out.

Edward Lengel, a presidential historian and former director of the Washington Papers Project at the University of Virginia, told USA TODAY that gun rights were a "non-issue" for Washington.


"There was no movement afoot, at that time, to enforce gun control laws when he was alive," Lengel said. "No automatic weapons were available. You can't do a whole lot of damage on a shooting rampage with a musket."

"It just wasn't an issue, so there was no reason for him to talk about it," Lengel added.

[abbey1227]

Dec 8, 2022 12:07:16 GMT merh said:

Think they could conceive of cars?
Computers?Airplanes?

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.  If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around(these banks) will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

The issuing power of currency shall be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Jefferson

Fact check: George Washington didn't say firearms are 'next in importance' to Constitution
Camille Caldera
USA TODAY

Edward Lengel, a presidential historian and former director of the Washington Papers Project at the University of Virginia, told USA TODAY that gun rights were a "non-issue" for Washington.

"There was no movement afoot, at that time, to enforce gun control laws when he was alive," Lengel said. "No automatic weapons were available. You can't do a whole lot of damage on a shooting rampage with a musket."

"It just wasn't an issue, so there was no reason for him to talk about it," Lengel added.

Cars? Yep, pretty easy to envision motorized carriages......it only took another few decades, actually.

Computing devices? Another easy to guess it'd be coming.

Airplanes? The Montgolfier Brothers flew their balloon in 1783. You figure it's that much of a stretch to get to an airplane?

These people were smart and often times better educated than the typical American today. But we think we're smarter and more clever? They chose a Constitutional Republic over all the other forms of Govt that had ever existed because they studied and knew the good/bad of all of the previous efforts.

See? They knew letting banks getting too powerful and involved would be a problem. Did that stop later Govt officails, though? Nope.

George wasn't writing the Bill of Rights, was he? He was just using guns and cannons to defeat the British.

And Lengel shows himself to have missed basic gun history. A musket? That was older tech compared to the Kentucky Long Rifles many of the colonialists were using.....and better than the British troops had, as well. Not to mention, the Puckle Gun was invented in 1718. What do you think? Could anyone have envisioned a semi-auto or fully auto gun from just knowing that thing existed?

You want the words of the guy that wrote/or co-wrote most of the Constitution?

“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”
-Thomas Jefferson, December 20, 1787, letter to James Madison

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.”
-Thomas Jefferson, January 30, 1787, letter to James Madison

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
-Thomas Jefferson, 1776, Draft 1 of the Virginia Constitution

“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”
-Thomas Jefferson, June 5, 1824, letter to John Cartwright