We Need a Single Global Order

[merh]

Nov 29, 2022 23:49:17 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 29, 2022 18:32:45 GMT merh said:

Alice Cooper.
Notorious alcoholic 
Abstinence is the ONLY thing that works with alcoholics.
What does his sweet wife do after he's been sober a few years to celebrate their anniversary?
Glass of wine to toast.
Alice said he had bottles of alcohol hidden all over the house that night.

My clients ordered to NOT DRINK ALCOHOL? Do you know how many times FAMILY called asking of they couldn't just have ONE GLASS to celebrate Christmas  or New Year's or Dad's xx birthday?
Family & friends SHOULD RECOGNIZE these guys CAN'T drink. But they DON'T  comprehend. They can drink a beer, take a puff or 2 on a joint, have a Molly at a party, why can't the addict?
Remember the gal who pitched alcoholics could drink in moderation? Ozzy bought into it. Then the gal making all that money pitching that idea? Remember she had a DUI accident?
Yep. Really worked, didn't it?
Well meaning family, friends & the people themselves.
They see everyone else doing the stuff.
Why shouldn't they?
It's hard to accept you're different.
Like my client who got kicked out of treatment after 6 months dry. 
I asked why?
He figured he had been sober that long that he could handle it.
As my co-worker said, it's a matter of time before a relapse.
It is hard.
People think they're stronger than that.
They have to accept they can never ever use that thing again
As my former smoker coworker said, the desire NEVER goes away.
Every day is a struggle to not have another cigarette.

But there are a few examples of people who do learn to control it, here and there. Not most, of course.

His wife should have opted for something else......but it still comes down to him.

Again, people. They're not the best functioning life forms on the planet.

Yet there are plenty of examples of being different (while still being just a mortal human being)    People

But that is LIFE in general. To be productive, you have to choose to be productive and do a bare minimum every day so as to not sabotage yourself.

From what I've seen, it's the lack of understanding. 

We are all different, right?

Yet too many people don't believe in addiction.
They can stop after 1 beer, why can't the addict?
So basic lack of empathy/ability to understand.

Do you give someone with a nut allergy a peanut butter sandwich?
Do you take someone with a shellfish allergy to a shrimp buffet?

So why not see alcoholics in the same light & don't give them alcohol?

[abbey1227]

Nov 30, 2022 2:45:33 GMT merh said:

From what I've seen, it's the lack of understanding. 

We are all different, right?

Yet too many people don't believe in addiction.
They can stop after 1 beer, why can't the addict?
So basic lack of empathy/ability to understand.

Do you give someone with a nut allergy a peanut butter sandwich?
Do you take someone with a shellfish allergy to a shrimp buffet?

So why not see alcoholics in the same light & don't give them alcohol?

We are different........but also, so very alike

You need empathy to understand self-destructive behavior?

If they ask for it, sure.    

Maybe because there's clearly a choice being made at the beginning of that addiction, as opposed to a severe allergy. Now, later those severe allergy types make the choice to be stupid enough to eat food others have prepared without knowing 100% for sure that they won't die from an ingredient.

[Prometheus]

Nov 30, 2022 3:02:48 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 30, 2022 2:45:33 GMT merh said:

From what I've seen, it's the lack of understanding. 

We are all different, right?

Yet too many people don't believe in addiction.
They can stop after 1 beer, why can't the addict?
So basic lack of empathy/ability to understand.

Do you give someone with a nut allergy a peanut butter sandwich?
Do you take someone with a shellfish allergy to a shrimp buffet?

So why not see alcoholics in the same light & don't give them alcohol?

We are different........but also, so very alike

You need empathy to understand self-destructive behavior?

If they ask for it, sure.    

Maybe because there's clearly a choice being made at the beginning of that addiction, as opposed to a severe allergy. Now, later those severe allergy types make the choice to be stupid enough to eat food others have prepared without knowing 100% for sure that they won't die from an ingredient.

Addiction is NOT a choice.