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[abbey1227]

A Simple Tweet From Musk Crushes NBC, Hunter Biden, Matt Lauer and Harvey Weinstein — All At Once
By  David Rufful -   November 11, 2022
OPINION | This article contains opinion that reflects the author's views.


MSNBC’s Medhi Hasan argued on-air that Republicans are “pro-neo-Nazi” and criticized Elon Musk for being “not-so-bright” by purchasing Twitter to allow for free speech.

“We are living through an unspeakably dangerous moment,” Hasan said. “The pro-QAnon, pro-neo-Nazi faction of the Republican party is poised to expand dramatically come the midterms.

“We’re just two years away from Donald Trump very possible reseizing executive power. If that happens, we may look back on this .. as a pivotal moment, when a petulant & not-so-bright billionaire casually bought one of the most influential messaging machines & just handed it to the far-right,” Hasan said.

Musk didn’t let this one slip by without responding. He fired back, “NBC basically saying Republicans are Nazis.”

“Same org that covered up Hunter Biden laptop story, had Harvey Weinstein story early & killed it & built Matt Lauer his rape office. Lovely people,” Musk added.

www.analyzingamerica.org/2022/11/675143/?fbclid=IwAR2b5ntI64i3khNb6JlVDCLAO3v0scKGKzGKN7jLTLXHRAsEYa3s8MD_K8M

[Prometheus]

I was hoping this would be a post about Billy Joel....

There's a lot to unpack in that poorly written alt-right drivel, but I'll give it a go.

Republicans are “pro-neo-Nazi” and criticized Elon Musk for being “not-so-bright” by purchasing Twitter to allow for free speech.

Republicans ARE "pro-neo-Nazi." That's just an obvious fact.

I was all for Musk opening up Twitter to more voices... until he started shutting down any voice that disagreed with him. THAT is what is known as hypocrisy.

“We are living through an unspeakably dangerous moment,” Hasan said. “The pro-QAnon, pro-neo-Nazi faction of the Republican party is poised to expand dramatically come the midterms.

But the voters seem to have rallied and shut that shit down for the most part. I suspect there will be more insurrections of a minor sort in response.

Musk didn’t let this one slip by without responding. He fired back, “NBC basically saying Republicans are Nazis.”

I don't know if NBC is saying it but they didn't censor the guy who did. I thought you were all for free speech, Elon....

“Same org that covered up Hunter Biden laptop story, had Harvey Weinstein story early & killed it & built Matt Lauer his rape office. Lovely people,” Musk added.

The laptop story that EVERYONE knows about? Sounds like they did a shit job of "covering it up."

NBC didn't run the Weinstein story because - at the time - Farrow had no victims that would reveal their identities. NBC said that it was OK to peddle the story elsewhere and everyone kept telling him, "No," for the same reason until he was able to get victims on the record. NBC wasn't covering up the story. They were covering their asses from a lawsuit.

As for NBC and Matt Lauer... well he might have something there. NBC execs certainly knew about Matt's affairs but without any formal complaints, what could they say?

Finally, I'm disappointed in the media's use of words like "crush," "annihilate," "destroy," etc. when it comes to describing a mean tweet or two. If all we are is a society bent on "pwning" the other side then we are a failed nation and need to get on with the business of either dying or rebuilding.

[merh]

Nov 13, 2022 13:34:40 GMT abbey1227 said:

A Simple Tweet From Musk Crushes NBC, Hunter Biden, Matt Lauer and Harvey Weinstein — All At Once
By  David Rufful -   November 11, 2022
OPINION | This article contains opinion that reflects the author's views.


MSNBC’s Medhi Hasan argued on-air that Republicans are “pro-neo-Nazi” and criticized Elon Musk for being “not-so-bright” by purchasing Twitter to allow for free speech.

“We are living through an unspeakably dangerous moment,” Hasan said. “The pro-QAnon, pro-neo-Nazi faction of the Republican party is poised to expand dramatically come the midterms.

fac·tion
/ˈfakSHən/
noun

1.
a small organized dissenting group within a larger one, especially in politics:

How intelligent is Musk if he doesn’t understand faction means part of, NOT THE ENTIRE THING.

“We’re just two years away from Donald Trump very possible reseizing executive power. If that happens, we may look back on this .. as a pivotal moment, when a petulant & not-so-bright billionaire casually bought one of the most influential messaging machines & just handed it to the far-right,” Hasan said.

Musk didn’t let this one slip by without responding. He fired back, “NBC basically saying Republicans are Nazis.”

“Same org that covered up Hunter Biden laptop story, had Harvey Weinstein story early & killed it & built Matt Lauer his rape office. Lovely people,” Musk added.

www.analyzingamerica.org/2022/11/675143/?fbclid=IwAR2b5ntI64i3khNb6JlVDCLAO3v0scKGKzGKN7jLTLXHRAsEYa3s8MD_K8M

I have told you that my issue with the laptop is it has been in the hands of far too many people.

I have given you copy/paste pointing out there are things on that laptop computer experts can't verify as original to the laptop or if they were added after the fact.

Basically it's like the scene in Trading places where Louis is trying to frame Valentine with "all the bad drugs"

[abbey1227]

Nov 16, 2022 8:37:41 GMT merh said:

 “NBC basically saying Republicans are Nazis.”

“Same org that covered up Hunter Biden laptop story, had Harvey Weinstein story early & killed it & built Matt Lauer his rape office. Lovely people,” Musk added.

I have told you that my issue with the laptop is it has been in the hands of far too many people.

I have given you copy/paste pointing out there are things on that laptop computer experts can't verify as original to the laptop or if they were added after the fact.

Basically it's like the scene in Trading places where Louis is trying to frame Valentine with "all the bad drugs"

merh, I don't even consider myself a Republican....... I've explained why before........but even I'm well aware of the stereotypes and labels that are being applied to anyone not a Leftist........ 'racist, sexist, homophobic, etc etc'    Too bad the same could all be applied to 'factions' of the Left just as easily, if not more so.

But you ALSO know all the issues Hunter has been involved with over the years........the drug abuse, the relationships, the gun crime the Secret Service covered for him.

[abbey1227]

Nov 16, 2022 8:37:41 GMT merh said:

Nov 13, 2022 13:34:40 GMT abbey1227 said:

“We are living through an unspeakably dangerous moment,” Hasan said. “The pro-QAnon, pro-neo-Nazi faction of the Republican party is poised to expand dramatically come the midterms.

fac·tion
/ˈfakSHən/
noun

1.
a small organized dissenting group within a larger one, especially in politics:

How intelligent is Musk if he doesn’t understand faction means part of, NOT THE ENTIRE THING.

[merh]

Nov 16, 2022 11:25:48 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 16, 2022 8:37:41 GMT merh said:

How intelligent is Musk if he doesn’t understand faction means part of, NOT THE ENTIRE THING.

The Illuminati (/ɪˌluːmɪˈnɑːti/; plural of Latin illuminatus, 'enlightened') is a name given to several groups, both real and fictitious. Historically, the name usually refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on 1 May 1776 in Bavaria, today part of Germany. The society's goals were to oppose superstition, obscurantism, religious influence over public life and abuses of state power. "The order of the day," they wrote in their general statutes, "is to put an end to the machinations of the purveyors of injustice, to control them without dominating them." The Illuminati—along with Freemasonry and other secret societies—were outlawed through edict by Charles Theodore, Elector of Bavaria, with the encouragement of the Catholic Church, in 1784, 1785, 1787 and 1790. During subsequent years, the group was generally vilified by conservative and religious critics who claimed that the Illuminati continued underground and were responsible for the French Revolution.

Several recent and present-day fraternal organisations claim to be descended from the original Bavarian Illuminati and openly use the name "Illuminati". Some of these groups use a variation on the name "The Illuminati Order" in the name of their own organisations, while others, such as the Ordo Templi Orientis, have "Illuminati" as a grade within their organisation's hierarchy. However, there is no evidence that these present-day groups have any real connection to the historic order. They have not amassed significant political power or influence and most, rather than trying to remain secret, promote unsubstantiated links to the Bavarian Illuminati as a means of attracting membership.

[merh]

Isn't this your bitch?

[merh]

Premium TECH
Billionaires like Elon Musk want to save civilization by having tons of genetically superior kids. Inside the movement to take 'control of human evolution.'
Malcolm and Simone Collins

Hannah Yoon
Photograph of Julia Black
Julia Black
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HOMEPAGE

Sitting in their toy-filled family room on a sunny September afternoon, Simone and Malcolm Collins were forced to compete with the wails of two toddlers as they mapped out their plans for humankind.

"I do not think humanity is in a great situation right now. And I think if somebody doesn't fix the problem, we could be gone," Malcolm half-shouted as he pushed his sniffling 18-month-old, Torsten, back and forth in a child-size Tonka truck.

Along with his 3-year-old brother, Octavian, and his newborn sister, Titan Invictus, Torsten has unwittingly joined an audacious experiment. According to his parents' calculations, as long as each of their descendants can commit to having at least eight children for just 11 generations, the Collins bloodline will eventually outnumber the current human population.

If they succeed, Malcolm continued, "we could set the future of our species."

Malcolm, 36, and his wife, Simone, 35, are "pronatalists," part of a quiet but growing movement taking hold in wealthy tech and venture-capitalist circles. People like the Collinses fear that falling birth rates in certain developed countries like the United States and most of Europe will lead to the extinction of cultures, the breakdown of economies, and, ultimately, the collapse of civilization. It's a theory that Elon Musk has championed on his Twitter feed, that Ross Douthat has defended in The New York Times' opinion pages, and that Joe Rogan and the billionaire venture capitalist Marc Andreessen bantered about on "The Joe Rogan Experience." It's also, alarmingly, been used by some to justify white supremacy around the world, from the tiki-torch-carrying marchers in Charlottesville, Virginia, chanting "You will not replace us" to the mosque shooter in Christchurch, New Zealand, who opened his 2019 manifesto: "It's the birthrates. It's the birthrates. It's the birthrates."

Google searches for "population collapse" spiked this summer, after Musk continued to raise the issue in response to Insider's report that he'd fathered twins with one of his employees. According to the United Nations, more than a quarter of the world's countries now have pronatalist policies, including infertility-treatment benefits and "baby bonus" cash incentives. Meanwhile, a spate of new assisted reproductive technology startups are attracting big-name investors such as Peter Thiel and Steve Jurvetson, fueling a global fertility-services market that Research and Markets projects will reach $78.2 billion by 2025.

Elon Musk, CEO of Tesla Motors, stands with his fiancee Talulah Riley and his twin sons Griffin, left, 6, and Xavier at the Nasdaq's opening bell to celebrate the electric automaker's initial public offering, Tuesday, June, 29, 2010, in New York.
The billionaire Elon Musk has promoted pronatalist ideas, often tweeting about birth rates and population decline. Mark Lennihan/AP Photo
I reached out to the Collinses after I received a tip about a company called Genomic Prediction, where Musk's OpenAI cofounder Sam Altman was an early investor. (Altman, who is gay, also invests in a company called Conception. The startup plans to grow viable human eggs out of stem cells and could allow two biological males to reproduce. "I think having a lot of kids is great," Altman recently told an audience at Greylock's Intelligent Future event. "I want to do that now even more than I did when I was younger.")

Genomic Prediction is one of the first companies to offer PGT-P, a controversial new type of genetic testing that allows parents who are undergoing in vitro fertilization to select the "best" available embryos based on a variety of polygenic risk factors.

The Collinses became the public face of the technology after being featured in a May Bloomberg article, "The Pandora's Box of Embryo Testing Is Officially Open." After the piece went live, Malcolm said, they began hearing from wealthy pronatalists around the country.

"We are the Underground Railroad of 'Gattaca' babies and people who want to do genetic stuff with their kids," Malcolm told me.

The Collinses invited me to stay at their home in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, before we'd even spoken on the phone. (Following our first call, in which I disclosed that I was single but hoped to have children one day, Simone also emailed to invite me to join their matchmaking network for "high-achieving" individuals: "As you can probably tell, we're heavily invested in helping people have families, as the headwinds against having kids are strong these days!")

We are the Underground Railroad of 'Gattaca' babies and people who want to do genetic stuff with their kids.
While I didn't fill out the matchmaking form, which listed both "Four +" and "As many as possible" as options for how many children I wanted, I did take them up on a visit to their 18th-century farmhouse. Upon arrival, I was greeted at the gate by The Professor, a brown corgi with a slightly manic air, followed by Malcolm, cheerful and clean-cut in a black polo.

Inside, Simone, statuesque even one month shy of her delivery date, wore her pregnancy uniform of a crisp white oxford shirt, a long black skirt, Doc Martens, and red lipstick (ignoring, she would later tell me, her mother-in-law's plea not to "dress like a fucking pilgrim" in front of the press). Their wardrobes, Simone told me later, are meticulously curated to project the kind of gravitas their work requires. Beneath their thick, black-rimmed glasses — hers round, his rectangular — the couple look, as they would put it, "biologically young."

Together they write books and work in the VC and private-equity worlds. Simone has previously served as managing director for Dialog, the secretive retreat cofounded by Thiel. While they relate to the anti-institutional wing of the Republican Party, they're wary of affiliating with what they called the "crazy conservatives." Above all, they are focused on branding pronatalism as hip, socially acceptable, and welcoming — especially to certain people. Last year, they cofounded the nonprofit initiative Pronatalist.org.

An obsession with producing heirs is hardly a new phenomenon. Elites have used lineage to consolidate money and power for most of human history. But as couples in the developed world are increasingly putting off parenthood until later in life — or abandoning it altogether — people like the Collinses are looking for hacks to make large families feasible in a modern, secular society.

They both said they were warned by friends not to talk to me. After all, a political minefield awaits anyone who wanders into this space. The last major figure to be associated with pronatalism was Jeffrey Epstein, who schemed to impregnate 20 women at a time on his New Mexico ranch. Genetic screening, and the underlying assumption that some humans are born better than others, often invites comparisons to Nazi eugenic experiments. And then there's the fact that our primary cultural reference point for a pronatalist society is the brutally misogynist world of "The Handmaid's Tale."

The Collinses, who call themselves "ruthless pragmatists," consider the inevitable backlash a small price to pay.

"We're frustrated that one of the inherent points of this culture is that people are super private within it," Simone said. They not only hope that their transparency will encourage other members of the upper class to have more children; they want to build a culture and economy around the high-birth-rate lifestyle.

The payoff won't be immediate, Simone said, but she believes if that small circle puts the right plans into place, their successors will "become the new dominant leading classes in the world."

The tech industry's biggest players have been preoccupied with their legacies for years. In the 2010s, the longevity craze swept Silicon Valley and industry titans like Jeff Bezos, 58, Sergey Brin, 49, and Larry Ellison, 78, poured billions of dollars into biotech companies they thought could help them defy death. Jeffrey Epstein reached out to scientists about freezing his head and penis to be revitalized hundreds of years later, while Peter Thiel, 55, was said to have sought blood transfusions from the young. (In response to the rumor, Thiel stated: "On the record, I am not a vampire.")

Antiaging research has had some success in targeting specific diseases, but as the Ellisons and Bezoses of the world get older, the chance of radical life extension in their lifetime becomes more unlikely. So some are turning to the next best thing: their progeny. For people who believe deeply in the genetic heritability of traits, passing on what they see as their superior DNA can be the ultimate path to influence.

The Genomic Prediction cofounder Stephen Hsu told me he knew many ultrahigh-net-worth, high-birth-rate parents.

"With everything these guys do, whether it's their investments or even their social lives, they're applying a very analytic, quantitative way of thinking. And that goes for reproduction too," Hsu said

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It is like twice as long as this. Here's Elon's bit since I know how much ABBEY worships the man.

Musk was echoing an argument made by Nick Bostrom, one of the founding fathers of longtermism, who wrote that he worried declining fertility among "intellectually talented individuals" could lead to the demise of "advanced civilized society." Émile P. Torres, a former longtermist philosopher who has become one of the movement's most outspoken critics, put it more bluntly: "The longtermist view itself implies that really, people in rich countries matter more."

A source who worked closely with Musk for several years described this thinking as core to the billionaire's pronatalist ideology. "He's very serious about the idea that your wealth is directly linked to your IQ," he said. The source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for this article, also said Musk urged "all the rich men he knew" to have as many children as possible.

Musk's ties to the EA and longtermist communities have been gradually revealed in recent months. In September, text logs released as part of Musk's legal battle with Twitter showed conversations between Musk and the prominent longtermist William MacAskill, who works at Oxford's Future of Humanity Institute, where Musk is a major donor. In the messages, MacAskill offered to introduce Musk to Sam Bankman-Fried, a now-disgraced cryptocurrency entrepreneur who had donated millions of dollars to longtermist organizations.

MacAskill has never explicitly endorsed pronatalism, and he declined to be interviewed for this article. He did, however, devote a chapter of his best-selling book, "What We Owe the Future," to his fear that dwindling birth rates would lead to "technological stagnation," which would increase the likelihood of extinction or civilizational collapse. One solution he offered was cloning or genetically optimizing a small subset of the population to have "Einstein-level research abilities" to "compensate for having fewer people overall."

Malcolm said he was glad to see Musk bring these issues to the forefront. "He's not as afraid of being canceled as everyone else," Malcolm told me. "Any smart person with a certain cultural aesthetics of their life is looking at this world and saying, 'How do we create intergenerationally, durable cultures that will lead to our species being a diverse, thriving, innovative interplanetary empire one day that isn't at risk from, you know, a single asteroid strike or a single huge disease?'"

This is such an OLD idea.
Apparently my maternal grandmother spouted it. The one who got disowned because daddy (who had 5 houses) didn't like her boyfriend who might have been a cousin.

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Simone Collins plans to keep working as she has more children (seven to 13 is the goal). "I think it's a mindset thing," she said. Hannah Yoon
She also weighed in on the stunning implosion of Sam Bankman-Fried's crypto exchange FTX, which represented one of the largest financial hubs for the effective-altruism movement. The Collinses, who never directly associated with the top Democratic donor Bankman-Fried, spied an opportunity in his demise.

"This means our faction (more conservative, pronatalist, long-termist-civilization-building-focused, likely to self fund) is now 100X more likely to become a real, dominant faction in the EA space," Simone wrote in a text message on November 12.

The Collinses hope that advances in technology will keep pace with their growing family. The reproductive entrepreneurs who spoke with me seemed confident that the science would progress quickly. "I think we are reaching a point in which we are reinventing reproduction," Varsavsky said.

If scientists at companies like Conception succeed in creating viable embryos out of stem cells, they could in theory produce a massive number of them. Combined with enhanced genetic screening, parents could pick the "optimal" baby from a much larger pool. "There's a seductiveness to these ideas, because it's very grand," Torres said. "It's about taking control of human evolution."

As for Simone and Malcolm Collins, Malcolm said, "We're trying to give our kids the best shot in life." They just happen to believe that their kids' best shot is also humanity's.

And another reason we will NEVER see the Epstein list

At his now-infamous Zorro ranch, Jeffrey Epstein was said to have made plans to impregnate up to 20 women at a time. US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York

Politicians weren't his only clients.
And they weren't all liberals like Bill Clinton

[permutojoe]

Is this guy for real? Does he even realize what the GOP is doing today?

[merh]

Nov 20, 2022 3:47:04 GMT permutojoe said:

Is this guy for real? Does he even realize what the GOP is doing today?

Musk?
Or ABBEY?

Musk is a troll

[abbey1227]

Nov 19, 2022 20:06:00 GMT merh said:

Isn't this your bitch?

I heard it was just over 200..........but it's the same bitch either way.

They live one way............while telling the peons to live another

[abbey1227]

Nov 19, 2022 20:24:32 GMT merh said:

It is like twice as long as this. Here's Elon's bit since I know how much ABBEY worships the man.

Musk was echoing an argument made by Nick Bostrom, one of the founding fathers of longtermism, who wrote that he worried declining fertility among "intellectually talented individuals" could lead to the demise of "advanced civilized society." Émile P. Torres, a former longtermist philosopher who has become one of the movement's most outspoken critics, put it more bluntly: "The longtermist view itself implies that really, people in rich countries matter more."

A source who worked closely with Musk for several years described this thinking as core to the billionaire's pronatalist ideology. "He's very serious about the idea that your wealth is directly linked to your IQ," he said. The source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for this article, also said Musk urged "all the rich men he knew" to have as many children as possible.

Musk's ties to the EA and longtermist communities have been gradually revealed in recent months. In September, text logs released as part of Musk's legal battle with Twitter showed conversations between Musk and the prominent longtermist William MacAskill, who works at Oxford's Future of Humanity Institute, where Musk is a major donor. In the messages, MacAskill offered to introduce Musk to Sam Bankman-Fried, a now-disgraced cryptocurrency entrepreneur who had donated millions of dollars to longtermist organizations.

MacAskill has never explicitly endorsed pronatalism, and he declined to be interviewed for this article. He did, however, devote a chapter of his best-selling book, "What We Owe the Future," to his fear that dwindling birth rates would lead to "technological stagnation," which would increase the likelihood of extinction or civilizational collapse. One solution he offered was cloning or genetically optimizing a small subset of the population to have "Einstein-level research abilities" to "compensate for having fewer people overall."

Malcolm said he was glad to see Musk bring these issues to the forefront. "He's not as afraid of being canceled as everyone else," Malcolm told me. "Any smart person with a certain cultural aesthetics of their life is looking at this world and saying, 'How do we create intergenerationally, durable cultures that will lead to our species being a diverse, thriving, innovative interplanetary empire one day that isn't at risk from, you know, a single asteroid strike or a single huge disease?'"

This is such an OLD idea.
Apparently my maternal grandmother spouted it. The one who got disowned because daddy (who had 5 houses) didn't like her boyfriend who might have been a cousin.

it's just another variation of evolution and eugenics.  The movie Idiocracy covered it, too

You're a HUGE fan of Margaret Sanger aren't you? She's been responsible for 'trimming' the human population to her liking.  

[abbey1227]

Nov 20, 2022 4:05:52 GMT merh said:

Nov 20, 2022 3:47:04 GMT permutojoe said:

Is this guy for real? Does he even realize what the GOP is doing today?

Musk?
Or ABBEY?

Musk is a troll

A troll who embarrasses the likes of NASA

Who has made $Billions and employs how many people? (Minus whoever gets fired soon)

Watching all these celebs quit Twitter now is hilarious, too.

Trent Reznor is saying farewell to Twitter.
“I’m about to depart. We don’t need the arrogance of the billionaire class to feel like they can just come in and solve everything. Even without him involved, I just find that it has become such a toxic environment. For my mental health, I need to tune out. I don’t feel good being there anymore.”

===========================================

So it was perfectly OK when $Billionaire Jack Dorsey was calling the shots and censoring people he didn't agree with?........but now? It's outrageous? 

[merh]

Nov 20, 2022 13:24:57 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 19, 2022 20:24:32 GMT merh said:

It is like twice as long as this. Here's Elon's bit since I know how much ABBEY worships the man.

This is such an OLD idea.
Apparently my maternal grandmother spouted it. The one who got disowned because daddy (who had 5 houses) didn't like her boyfriend who might have been a cousin.

it's just another variation of evolution and eugenics.  The movie Idiocracy covered it, too

You're a HUGE fan of Margaret Sanger aren't you? She's been responsible for 'trimming' the human population to her liking.  

I like some of John Lennon's songs, but the man was a dick.

One doesn't have to buy the whole cow, just the cut of meat one plans to cook for dinner.

So I can appreciate some of what Sanger promoted, but I don't have to buy the whole thing.

After World War I, Sanger increasingly appealed to the societal need to limit births by those least able to afford children. The affluent and educated already limited their child-bearing, while the poor and uneducated lacked access to contraception and information about birth control. Here she found an area of overlap with eugenicists. She believed that they both sought to "assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit." She distinguished herself from other eugenicists, by writing "eugenists [sic] imply or insist that a woman's first duty is to the state; we contend that her duty to herself is her duty to the state. We maintain that a woman possessing an adequate knowledge of her reproductive functions is the best judge of the time and conditions under which her child should be brought into the world. We further maintain that it is her right, regardless of all other considerations, to determine whether she shall bear children or not, and how many children she shall bear if she chooses to become a mother." Sanger was a proponent of negative eugenics, which aimed to improve human hereditary traits through social intervention by reducing the reproduction of those who were considered unfit.

Sanger's view of eugenics was influenced by Havelock Ellis and other British eugenicists, including H. G. Wells, with whom she formed a close, lasting friendship. She did not speak specifically to the idea of race or ethnicity being determining factors and "although Sanger articulated birth control in terms of racial betterment and, like most old-stock Americans, supported restricted immigration, she always defined fitness in individual rather than racial terms." Instead, she stressed limiting the number of births to live within one's economic ability to raise and support healthy children. This would lead to a betterment of society and the human race. Sanger's view put her at odds with leading American eugenicists, such as Charles Davenport, who took a racist view of inherited traits. In A History of the Birth Control Movement in America, Engelman also noted that "Sanger quite effortlessly looked the other way when others spouted racist speech. She had no reservations about relying on flawed and overtly racist works to serve her own propaganda needs." Sanger was supported by one of the most racist authors in America in the 1920s, the Klansman Lothrop Stoddard, who was a founding member of the Board of Directors of Sanger's American Birth Control League. Biographer Ellen Chesler commented: "Margaret Sanger was never herself a racist, but she lived in a profoundly bigoted society, and her failure to repudiate prejudice unequivocally—especially when it was manifest among proponents of her cause—has haunted her ever since."

In "The Morality of Birth Control", a 1921 speech, she divided society into three groups: the "educated and informed" class that regulated the size of their families, the "intelligent and responsible" who desired to control their families in spite of lacking the means or the knowledge, and the "irresponsible and reckless people" whose religious scruples "prevent their exercising control over their numbers". Sanger concludes, "There is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped."

Sanger's eugenics policies included an exclusionary immigration policy, free access to birth control methods, and full family planning autonomy for the able-minded, as well as compulsory segregation or sterilization for the "profoundly retarded". Sanger wrote, "we [do not] believe that the community could or should send to the lethal chamber the defective progeny resulting from irresponsible and unintelligent breeding." In The Pivot of Civilization she criticized certain charity organizations for providing free obstetric and immediate post-birth care to indigent women without also providing information about birth control nor any assistance in raising or educating the children. By such charities, she wrote, "The poor woman is taught how to have her seventh child, when what she wants to know is how to avoid bringing into the world her eighth."

In personal correspondence she expressed her sadness about the aggressive and lethal Nazi eugenics program, and donated to the American Council Against Nazi Propaganda.

Sanger believed that self-determining motherhood was the only unshakable foundation for racial betterment. Initially she advocated that the responsibility for birth control should remain with able-minded individual parents rather than the state. Later, she proposed that "Permits for parenthood shall be issued upon application by city, county, or state authorities to married couples," but added that the requirement should be implemented by state advocacy and reward for complying, not enforced by punishing anyone for violating it.

Abortion
Margaret Sanger opposed abortion and sharply distinguished it from birth control. She believed that the latter is a fundamental right of women and the former is a shameful crime. In 1916, when she opened her first birth control clinic, she was employing harsh rhetoric against abortion. Flyers she distributed to women exhorted them in all capitals: "Do not kill, do not take life, but prevent."  Sanger's patients at that time were told "that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but it was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun." Sanger consistently distanced herself from any calls for legal access to abortion, arguing that legal access to contraceptives would remove the need for abortion. Ann Hibner Koblitz has argued that Sanger's anti-abortion stance contributed to the further stigmatization of abortion and impeded the growth of the broader reproductive rights movement. 

While Margaret Sanger condemned abortion as a method of family limitation, she was not opposed to abortion intended to save a woman's life. Furthermore, in 1932, Margaret Sanger directed the Clinical Research Bureau to start referring patients to hospitals for therapeutic abortions when indicated by an examining physician. She also advocated for birth control so that the pregnancies that led to therapeutic abortions could be prevented in the first place.

Hey, you support limiting immigration. 
See?
Something you can agree on!

She opposed abortion.
Even more for you to love!

Fact is A LOT of people in the early 20th century bought into Eugenics.
Thankfully we've evolved, though one still runs into people who buy into it.

Like the rich fucks in this article & Elon Musk.

Somewhere in that lengthy article they do refer to themselves as eugenicists.  It is a LONG article. At least twice as long as what I copied, but I know this site goes crazy with long articles.

[abbey1227]

Nov 21, 2022 9:35:38 GMT merh said:

I like some of John Lennon's songs, but the man was a dick.

One doesn't have to buy the whole cow, just the cut of meat one plans to cook for dinner.
So I can appreciate some of what Sanger promoted, but I don't have to buy the whole thing.

Hey, you support limiting immigration. 
See?
Something you can agree on!

She opposed abortion.
Even more for you to love!

Fact is A LOT of people in the early 20th century bought into Eugenics.
Thankfully we've evolved, though one still runs into people who buy into it.

Like the rich fucks in this article & Elon Musk.

Somewhere in that lengthy article they do refer to themselves as eugenicists.  It is a LONG article. At least twice as long as what I copied, but I know this site goes crazy with long articles.

so give me 1 or 2 things that you can agree with Trump on.  

I support stopping it entirely until the fully secure the borders.

I'm perfectly OK with aborting every single fetus conceived until the end of time........just don't involve the Govt/tax dollars.

We have evolved? We're smarter and more healthy a species right now? Not according to all of the peanut allergy cases and the asthma story I just posted. We're a strange animal in that we protect and prop up problematic people. This seems to only create more problems in the future.......but I suppose some people enjoy that.

I just posted a Section 8 piece that was absurdly long.   

[permutojoe]

It’s more important that everyone gets a fair chance to speak their mind, even if it’s to express ideas that are dishonest and hateful. Having said that I didn’t expect Musk to get in and start acting like Donald Trump.

[merh]

Does anyone else feel like people are more angry and confrontational nowadays because the economy is bad and people are struggling? More road rage, more angry interactions, more angry customers, etc. It’s like a battlefield going out everyday
Does anyone else feel like people are more angry and confrontational nowadays because the economy is bad and people are struggling? More road rage, more angry interactions, more angry customers, etc.

DontUseTheZedWord•2 days ago
All forms of social media make ppl more upset. Social media is killing our society. It’s designed to make you mad.

Pacific Beach•2 days ago
I think this is an under noticed thing. There is a documentary out there about how it literally drives changes in your brain needing the self assurance and dopamine hit. That drive people to be very self centered and ultimately outwardly aggressive. Now, I'm sure I got a lot of the phycological things wrong in this comment, but I do see that it is driving behavior in the current generation who grew up with it. COVID didn't help either, but the social media algorithms to drive revenue inversely impact people's mental state

[abbey1227]

Dec 5, 2022 19:44:42 GMT merh said:

Does anyone else feel like people are more angry and confrontational nowadays because the economy is bad and people are struggling? More road rage, more angry interactions, more angry customers, etc. It’s like a battlefield going out everyday
Does anyone else feel like people are more angry and confrontational nowadays because the economy is bad and people are struggling? More road rage, more angry interactions, more angry customers, etc.

DontUseTheZedWord•2 days ago
All forms of social media make ppl more upset. Social media is killing our society. It’s designed to make you mad.

Pacific Beach•2 days ago
I think this is an under noticed thing. There is a documentary out there about how it literally drives changes in your brain needing the self assurance and dopamine hit. That drive people to be very self centered and ultimately outwardly aggressive. Now, I'm sure I got a lot of the phycological things wrong in this comment, but I do see that it is driving behavior in the current generation who grew up with it. COVID didn't help either, but the social media algorithms to drive revenue inversely impact people's mental state

Virtue signaling is certainly part of the equation, as well

[merh]

Dec 6, 2022 2:08:00 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 5, 2022 19:44:42 GMT merh said:

Virtue signaling is certainly part of the equation, as well

Good grief, dude.