Someone on FAUX NEWS lied?

[Prometheus]

Are you sure?

uk.news.yahoo.com/looks-sean-hannity-caught-big-113217283.html

Looks Like Sean Hannity Was Caught In A Big Fat Lie

Excerpt:

Sean Hannity appeared to utter a big fat lie on Fox News this week, claiming no Republican has ever said they wanted to take away Social Security.

Cue the riposte from the Twitter user Acyn, who shared 2010 video of Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), then a candidate, saying his objective was “to phase out Social Security ― to pull it up by the roots and get rid of it.”

[merh]

Nov 4, 2022 1:17:43 GMT Prometheus said:

Are you sure?

uk.news.yahoo.com/looks-sean-hannity-caught-big-113217283.html

Looks Like Sean Hannity Was Caught In A Big Fat Lie

Excerpt:

Sean Hannity appeared to utter a big fat lie on Fox News this week, claiming no Republican has ever said they wanted to take away Social Security.

Cue the riposte from the Twitter user Acyn, who shared 2010 video of Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), then a candidate, saying his objective was “to phase out Social Security ― to pull it up by the roots and get rid of it.”

They got their dream of killing  Roe v Wade so they need to move on to their next car to chase

[Prometheus]

Nov 4, 2022 20:09:21 GMT merh said:

Nov 4, 2022 1:17:43 GMT Prometheus said:

Are you sure?

uk.news.yahoo.com/looks-sean-hannity-caught-big-113217283.html

Looks Like Sean Hannity Was Caught In A Big Fat Lie

Excerpt:

They got their dream of killing  Roe v Wade so they need to move on to their next car to chase

Honestly though, if people had even the slightest education in personal finance, SSI wouldn't really be needed by anyone other than the bottom 20% or so of the population... maybe less.

[merh]

Nov 4, 2022 20:30:57 GMT Prometheus said:

Nov 4, 2022 20:09:21 GMT merh said:

They got their dream of killing  Roe v Wade so they need to move on to their next car to chase

Honestly though, if people had even the slightest education in personal finance, SSI wouldn't really be needed by anyone other than the bottom 20% or so of the population... maybe less.

Social Security isn't SSI.
Supplemental Security Income is for those in need

In order to receive SSI benefits, individuals must apply for benefits and meet the following requirements:

They are 65+ years of age or blind or disabled; and

They legally reside in one of the fifty states or the District of Columbia or Northern Mariana Islands, are the child of military parents assigned to permanent duty outside of the US, or are a student (certain restrictions apply) temporarily abroad; and

They have income and resources within certain limits (see subsections).

It came out of the Depression.
I would rather seniors get it than the Elon Musks, etc get more tax breaks.

1935 The 37-page Social Security Act signed August 14 by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The legislation included Unemployment Insurance, Aid to Dependent Children, Old Age Insurance (OAI), and Old Age Assistance (OAA). The old age insurance program gradually developed into the Old Age Survivors and Disability Insurance program, which is what Americans typically associate "Social Security" with

The average monthly Social Security benefit for August, 2022 was $1,547

That might be the difference between dining on cat food (which is almost non-existant right now. The dog food side is full, but good luck finding cans for the kitties) & human food.

So, yeah, life happens.
For all ABBEY's "anyone can save" life happens. 
Often savings gets raided for emergencies.

Healthcare happens.
Maybe a person loses their job with employer provided health are, then they forgo seeing a doctor until Medicare kicks in. By then it's maybe too late. Maybe their cancer is inoperable.

I am going to need that $1200 of Social Security I get from my dead husband. 

Cobra allowed me to carry on for 18 months at my employer's cost (plus a 2% administrative fee) or around $620/month. Luckily California extends another 18 months on the medical so I can continue for $615 so I will just have to pick up a year at full price ($1200/month) until I qualify for Medicare.

I will have to pay $46/month full price for my dental coverage.

But naw. 
Who needs Social Security?

We need Universal healthcare so bad.

[Prometheus]

Nov 5, 2022 2:17:42 GMT merh said:

Nov 4, 2022 20:30:57 GMT Prometheus said:

Honestly though, if people had even the slightest education in personal finance, SSI wouldn't really be needed by anyone other than the bottom 20% or so of the population... maybe less.

Social Security isn't SSI.
Supplemental Security Income is for those in need

In order to receive SSI benefits, individuals must apply for benefits and meet the following requirements:

They are 65+ years of age or blind or disabled; and

They legally reside in one of the fifty states or the District of Columbia or Northern Mariana Islands, are the child of military parents assigned to permanent duty outside of the US, or are a student (certain restrictions apply) temporarily abroad; and

They have income and resources within certain limits (see subsections).

It came out of the Depression.
I would rather seniors get it than the Elon Musks, etc get more tax breaks.

1935 The 37-page Social Security Act signed August 14 by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The legislation included Unemployment Insurance, Aid to Dependent Children, Old Age Insurance (OAI), and Old Age Assistance (OAA). The old age insurance program gradually developed into the Old Age Survivors and Disability Insurance program, which is what Americans typically associate "Social Security" with

The average monthly Social Security benefit for August, 2022 was $1,547

That might be the difference between dining on cat food (which is almost non-existant right now. The dog food side is full, but good luck finding cans for the kitties) & human food.

So, yeah, life happens.
For all ABBEY's "anyone can save" life happens. 
Often savings gets raided for emergencies.

Healthcare happens.
Maybe a person loses their job with employer provided health are, then they forgo seeing a doctor until Medicare kicks in. By then it's maybe too late. Maybe their cancer is inoperable.

I am going to need that $1200 of Social Security I get from my dead husband. 

Cobra allowed me to carry on for 18 months at my employer's cost (plus a 2% administrative fee) or around $620/month. Luckily California extends another 18 months on the medical so I can continue for $615 so I will just have to pick up a year at full price ($1200/month) until I qualify for Medicare.

I will have to pay $46/month full price for my dental coverage.

But naw. 
Who needs Social Security?

We need Universal healthcare so bad.

SSI was created by the Social Security Amendments of 1972 and is incorporated in Title 16 of the Social Security Act. The program is administered by the Social Security Administration (SSA) and began operations in 1974.

Near enough for white folk

[abbey1227]

Nov 5, 2022 2:17:42 GMT merh said:

Social Security isn't SSI.
Supplemental Security Income is for those in need

In order to receive SSI benefits, individuals must apply for benefits and meet the following requirements:

They are 65+ years of age or blind or disabled; and

They legally reside in one of the fifty states or the District of Columbia or Northern Mariana Islands, are the child of military parents assigned to permanent duty outside of the US, or are a student (certain restrictions apply) temporarily abroad; and

They have income and resources within certain limits (see subsections).

It came out of the Depression.
I would rather seniors get it than the Elon Musks, etc get more tax breaks.

The average monthly Social Security benefit for August, 2022 was $1,547

That might be the difference between dining on cat food (which is almost non-existant right now. The dog food side is full, but good luck finding cans for the kitties) & human food.
So, yeah, life happens.
For all ABBEY's "anyone can save" life happens. 
Often savings gets raided for emergencies.
Healthcare happens.
Maybe a person loses their job with employer provided health are, then they forgo seeing a doctor until Medicare kicks in. By then it's maybe too late. Maybe their cancer is inoperable.
I am going to need that $1200 of Social Security I get from my dead husband.
Cobra allowed me to carry on for 18 months at my employer's cost (plus a 2% administrative fee) or around $620/month. Luckily California extends another 18 months on the medical so I can continue for $615 so I will just have to pick up a year at full price ($1200/month) until I qualify for Medicare.
I will have to pay $46/month full price for my dental coverage.
But naw. Who needs Social Security?
We need Universal healthcare so bad.

good thing none of that funding ever ends up in the hands of non-legal residents, huh?

We all know who you'd rather steal from and give to

We're having issues finding dog food around here......plenty of cat food.

merh, it's just this simple.......my whole life I've watched people (people who were poor) find all the money they need for their vices. But to be responsible? pay their bills? actually take care of their own children? Nope, they always need assistance for that unimportant stuff. 

The thing about most 'emergencies' in a typical American's life is it's very, very predictable. You've said yourself......sooner or later people get sick. So why should most of these so called emergencies come as a surprise to them?

$15,000/year just in case? Man, that seems like an obscene amount of money.

It's not a matter of whether millions 'need' social security.......it's a matter of whether it's the wisest use of tax dollars ever invented? I contend it is not.

So many millions feel the way you do.........so where is their crowdfunded, co-op, healthcare network already? Volunteers, donations, etc etc etc surely there's enough to get it done by now, right? But no, nothing gets done unless it's at the end of a Govt bayonet. I had a moment of surprise the other night when a co-worker told me about some outstanding traffic tickets they had........they'd received a letter informing them that their HSA they'd forgotten about from years back had been confiscated in order to pay for the unpaid traffic citations. Nice, right? 

[permutojoe]

Yeah the GOP is literally insane. Stealing money from the treasury (i.e. average Americans) to give to the super rich, then they blame the poor and middle class. And the the dupe voters buy into the lies about how it's all the fault of the working class and the poor who have been stolen from.

[merh]

Suggested Mr. Pelosi
knew his attacker.

Suggested the attack
involved male prostitution.

Repeated a false report
that the attacker was
in his underwear.

How Republicans Fed a Misinformation Loop About the Pelosi Attack

By Annie Karni, Malika Khurana and Stuart A. ThompsonNov. 5, 2022
The New York Times

WASHINGTON — Within hours of the brutal attack last month on Paul Pelosi, the husband of the speaker of the House, activists and media outlets on the right began circulating groundless claims — nearly all of them sinister, and many homophobic — casting doubt on what had happened.

Some Republican officials quickly joined in, rushing to suggest that the bludgeoning of an octogenarian by a suspect obsessed with right-wing conspiracy theories was something else altogether, dismissing it as an inside job, a lover’s quarrel or worse.

The misinformation came from all levels of Republican politics. A U.S. senator circulated the view that “none of us will ever know” what really happened at the Pelosis’ San Francisco home. A senior Republican congressman referred to the attacker as a “nudist hippie male prostitute,” baselessly asserting that the suspect had a personal relationship with Mr. Pelosi. Former President Donald J. Trump questioned whether the attack might have been staged.

The world’s richest man helped amplify the stories. But none of it was true.

Here are 21 of the elected officials, candidates and other prominent figures who spread misinformation or cast doubt on the attack.
In tweets, podcasts and TV appearances, these figures questioned whether the public was being told the full story of what happened and in some cases spread theories that were unfounded.

Elected officials and candidates

Photo of Senator Ted Cruz
Senator Ted Cruz
Republican of Texas
Amplified doubts that all facts were being disclosed.

Photo of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene
Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene
Republican of Georgia
Suggested Mr. Pelosi knew his attacker.

Photo of Representative Clay Higgins
Representative Clay Higgins
Republican of Louisiana
Suggested the attack involved male prostitution.

Photo of Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson
Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson
Republican of North Carolina
Raised doubts about the details of the attack.

Photo of Mary Williams Benefield
Mary Williams Benefield
Republican statehouse candidate, Georgia
Suggested the attack might have been staged.

Photo of Royce White
Royce White
Republican statehouse candidate, Minnesota
Claimed the attack involved an extramarital gay affair.

Photo of State Senator Wendy Rogers
State Senator Wendy Rogers
Republican of Arizona
Suggested the attack might have been staged.

Photo of State Representative Anthony Sabatini
State Representative Anthony Sabatini
Republican of Florida
Suggested that the Pelosis are hiding vital information.

Photo of Representative Claudia Tenney
Representative Claudia Tenney
Republican of New York
Amplified a conspiracy theory about an extramarital gay affair.
Prominent figures

Photo of Glenn Beck
Glenn Beck
Conservative commentator
Raised doubts about the details of the attack.

Photo of Tucker Carlson
Tucker Carlson
Fox News host
Raised doubts about the details of the attack.

Photo of Dinesh D’Souza
Dinesh D’Souza
Conservative commentator
Claimed the attack involved an extramarital gay affair.

Photo of Ryan Fournier
Ryan Fournier
Founder, Students for Trump
Claimed details about the attacker were fabricated.

Photo of Sebastian Gorka
Sebastian Gorka
Former Trump adviser and podcast host
Raised doubts about the details of the attack.

Photo of Pete Hegseth
Pete Hegseth
Fox News host
Raised doubts that all facts were being disclosed.

Photo of Megyn Kelly
Megyn Kelly
Talk show host
Raised doubts that all facts were being disclosed.

Photo of Elon Musk
Elon Musk
Chief executive of Twitter and Tesla
Amplified a conspiracy theory about male prostitution.

Photo of Devin Nunes
Devin Nunes
Former representative of California
Repeated a false report that the attacker was in his underwear.

Photo of Michael Savage
Michael Savage
Talk show host
Raised doubts that all facts were being disclosed.

Photo of Roger Stone
Roger Stone
Trump associate
Suggested the attack was staged.

Photo of Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
Former president
Suggested the attack was staged.

The flood of falsehoods showed how ingrained misinformation has become inside the G.O.P., where the reflexive response of the rank and file — and even a few prominent figures — to anything that might cast a negative light on the right is to deflect with more fictional claims, creating a vicious cycle that muddies facts, shifts blame and minimizes violence.

It happened after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, which was inspired by Mr. Trump’s lie of a stolen election, and in turn gave rise to more falsehoods, as Republicans and their right-wing allies tried to play down, deny or invent a different story for what happened, including groundlessly blaming the F.B.I. and antifa. Mr. Pelosi’s attacker is said to have believed some of those tales.

“This is the dynamic as it plays out,” said Brian Hughes, a professor at American University who studies radicalism and extremism. “The conspiracy theory prompts an act of violence; that act of violence needs to be disavowed, and it can only be disavowed by more conspiracy theories, which prompts more violence.”

The Justice Department moved swiftly to bring criminal charges against the suspect in the attack, David DePape, 42, who prosecutors said broke into the Pelosi home intending to kidnap Ms. Pelosi and shatter her kneecaps, and assaulted her husband with a hammer, leaving him with a cracked skull. The San Francisco district attorney said it was imperative for prosecutors to present the facts to the public, given the misinformation circulating widely about the case.

But by then, it was far too late. In a pattern that has become commonplace, a parade of Republicans — helped along by right-wing media personalities including the Fox New host Tucker Carlson, and prominent people including the newly installed Twitter owner Elon Musk, the world’s wealthiest man — had already abetted the viral spread of lies about the attack, distorting the account of what happened before facts could get in the way. Finding life on far-right websites and the so-called dark web, conspiracy theories and falsehoods leaped from the fringes to the mainstream.

Fringe Websites and Mainstream Figures
Thousands of posts containing conspiracy theories about the attack were shared on message boards, social media and in comments sections of popular far-right sites, according to data from Pyrra, a company that tracks fringe social media. As the chatter picked up, several elected officials and mainstream right-wing influencers also shared their doubts about the attack.

GRAPHIC/TIMELINE OF MISINFORMATION

Comments from fringe websites mentioning ...
“Prostitute” or similar terms
Other sex-related conspiracy theories
Doubts about the official account
12:23 p.m. A Fox affiliate in San Francisco
reports that the attacker was found in his
underwear. The error was later corrected.
Each
comment
FRIDAY, OCT. 28
6 P.M.
A conspiracy theory circulates widely
that the attack was the result
of a sexual affair.
9 P.M.
SATURDAY
3 A.M.
6 A.M.
9 A.M.
NOON
3 P.M.
6 P.M.
9 P.M.
SUNDAY
3 A.M.
8:15 a.m. Elon Musk, the new owner of
Twitter, tweets a link to a conspiracy website
that baselessly claims that Mr. Pelosi was
attacked by a male prostitute.
9 A.M.
Comments mentioning “prostitute” and
similar terms flood sites, reigniting
interest in the false theory.
NOON
5:06 p.m. On “The Big Sunday Show,”
a Fox News program, hosts raise doubts
about the official account.
6 P.M.
9 P.M.
MONDAY
3 A.M.
10:04 a.m. Representative Marjorie Taylor
Greene, Republican of Georgia, repeats the
conspiracy theory circulated by Mr. Musk
and calls the media the “source
of misinformation.”
7:06 p.m. Jesse Watters, the Fox News host,
raises doubts about the official account of the
attack, saying that glass appears to be broken
from inside the house.
9 P.M.
TUESDAY, NOV. 1
3 A.M.
6 A.M.
9 A.M.
NOON
8:43 p.m. Tucker Carlson, the Fox News host,
repeats the conspiracy theory shared by
Mr. Musk, joking that a prominent liberal
influencer would claim that “Paul Pelosi
couldn't be gay, not that it is a bad thing.”
9 P.M.
WEDNESDAY
3 A.M.
6 A.M.
9 A.M.
NOON
3 P.M.

Note: Roughly 9,500 comments that mentioned “Paul Pelosi” were analyzed from 16 websites and a service that provides commenting technology for online platforms. Key terms, such as ”prostitute,” were grouped into the categories shown. While many Republican leaders denounced the violence and some, including former Vice President Mike Pence, expressed sympathy for the Pelosis, none of them publicly condemned the falsehoods their colleagues were elevating or did anything to push back on the false narrative. That left others to fill the void.

“Just produce the police body cam, — why is that so hard?” Mr. Carlson demanded on his show on Wednesday night. Addressing those criticizing the conspiracy theorizing, he added: “We’re not the crazy people; you’re the liars. There’s nothing wrong with asking questions, period.”

The disinformation surrounding the attack on Mr. Pelosi presented many of the standard elements of alt-right conspiracy theories, which relish a culture of “do your own research,” casting skepticism on official accounts, and tend to focus on lurid sexual activities or issues related to children, often driven by a fear of society becoming immoral.

Nina Jankowicz, a disinformation expert, said no amount of evidence — be it police body camera footage or anything else — could get in the way of such falsehoods in the eyes of those who do not want to believe facts.

“It doesn’t matter when there are documents or sworn testimony claiming something is, in fact, not the case,” Ms. Jankowicz said. “There will be an elaborate reframing effort. If the footage was released, people would claim it was fabricated. There’s no bottom.”

Many of the Republicans who amplified the fiction couched their comments as jokes, effectively pre-empting any criticism by suggesting they might not be serious. Hours after the attack, Donald Trump Jr., the former president’s son, shared online a viral image of a costume that included an oversized pair of men’s briefs and a hammer, remarking “the internet remains undefeated.”

A spokesman for Mr. Trump said he “simply posted a joke meme and has always rejected political violence in all forms.”

Representative Claudia Tenney, Republican of New York, circulated a photograph on Twitter that showed a group of young, white men holding oversized hammers beside a gay Pride flag, commenting simply: “LOL.”

Ms. Tenney did not respond to a request for comment.

It is not clear whether the elected officials and media personalities who have trafficked in falsehoods believe the conspiracy theories they are elevating, or simply want to be rewarded by their right-wing base. According to public polling, as many as 70 percent of Republicans still believe that Mr. Trump was the true winner of the 2020 election.

Mary Williams Benefield, a Republican running for a seat in Georgia’s statehouse, said she had responded online to a tweet suggesting the attack was staged because “the official narrative is unwilling to present all the facts.”

“Maybe their daughter has a film crew shooting a documentary on this too,” wrote the mother of three and former music teacher at a church school, making a reference to newly surfaced footage from a documentary Ms. Pelosi’s daughter Alexandra was filming that showed the speaker in a secure location during the Jan. 6 riot.

In an interview, Ms. Benefield brought up a report that the police have debunked, which wrongly asserted that the intruder was dressed only in his underwear. The Fox News affiliate that originally reported the detail issued a correction saying the article had previously “misstated what clothing the suspect was wearing.”

That did nothing to change Ms. Benefield’s mind.

“There’s a lot of questions that need to be asked before there’s any legitimacy,” she said.

According to federal charging documents, Mr. DePape was enthralled by the conspiracy theories that have portrayed Ms. Pelosi as an enemy of the country. His online activities show him ranting about the 2020 election being stolen, seeming to deny the gassing of Jews at Auschwitz and claiming that schoolteachers were grooming children to be transgender.

His attorney has said he planned to argue that Mr. DePape was so influenced by disinformation that it should be considered a mitigating circumstance.

Thank you for exposing those bigoted Republican turds who jumped on this lie.

NBC News reporter Miguel Almaguer had what seemed like a scoop on Friday about an intruder’s attack last week on Paul Pelosi. The curious new details he presented on the “Today” show quickly went viral on right-wing sites and social media accounts.

One problem: Much of Almaguer’s account was inaccurate, based on flawed information provided by a source who was unnamed in the report, according to people at the network. Within minutes of Almaguer’s broadcast Friday morning, conservative commentators jumped on it as supposed proof of a politically motivated coverup. “This story keeps getting weirder,” radio host Clay Travis told his 1 million Twitter followers over a clip of Almaguer on “Today.”

In fact, NBC News isn’t standing by those “explosive” details.

“The decision was made to remove the segment after it was determined, shortly after it aired, that the main source for the information was unreliable regarding the circumstances that the police encountered when they arrived at the house,” said a person with knowledge of the situation, who asked not to be named to discuss details of the reporting.

Everybody who replied favorably to the thread started by @norevisionism is going to have to kiss my ass. Conservatism is a truly nasty piece of business. As I said on that homophobic thread (if I may repeat myself)

When Steve Scalise was shot, Nancy Pelosi said, “An attack on you is an attack on all.”

She didn’t speculate about a “tiff between gay lovers.”
She didn’t say it was staged.
She didn’t crack jokes
She didn’t post memes.
She didn’t spread rumors that mock gay men.
She stood up and spoke out.

So spare me your conspiracy theory bullshit.

[abbey1227]

Nov 6, 2022 11:41:04 GMT merh said:

Suggested Mr. Pelosi
knew his attacker.

Suggested the attack
involved male prostitution.

Repeated a false report
that the attacker was
in his underwear.

How Republicans Fed a Misinformation Loop About the Pelosi Attack

Much of that all goes away with the release of the police bodycam video.   Where is it?  

The guy is still an illegal, drug user, homeless, etc etc etc .......I'm sure there'll be more

[Prometheus]

Nov 6, 2022 13:37:11 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 6, 2022 11:41:04 GMT merh said:

Much of that all goes away with the release of the police bodycam video.   Where is it?  

The guy is still an illegal, drug user, homeless, etc etc etc .......I'm sure there'll be more

Without the bodycam video, you're OK with entertaining the lies but with actual video of people breaking into the Capitol, you're saying those folks did nothing wrong?

[merh]

Nov 6, 2022 13:37:11 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 6, 2022 11:41:04 GMT merh said:

Much of that all goes away with the release of the police bodycam video.   Where is it?  

The guy is still an illegal, drug user, homeless, etc etc etc .......I'm sure there'll be more

Because no one who loves Trump can be bad!

[abbey1227]

Nov 7, 2022 7:11:29 GMT merh said:

Nov 6, 2022 13:37:11 GMT abbey1227 said:

Much of that all goes away with the release of the police bodycam video.   Where is it?  

The guy is still an illegal, drug user, homeless, etc etc etc .......I'm sure there'll be more

Because no one who loves Trump can be bad!

wha?

Everyone can be

[merh]

Nov 7, 2022 8:24:27 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 7, 2022 7:11:29 GMT merh said:

Because no one who loves Trump can be bad!

wha?

Everyone can be

This guy is exactly what Tom Metzger liked to suck into WAR. 

Easily suckered into acting on the leader's words. Not the sharpest tool in the shed.